Author Topic: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion (Read 20984 times)

0ne · « **on:** May 29, 2008, 01:48:43 PM »

A v-gate of magnets that accelerates a mass so that it's momentum is greater then the attraction of the tip of the V so that it can escape the magnetic field, and move to the next V.

Don't put the V's to close. Seperate them just at the point to where the mass's momentum stops from friction after it escapes the magnetic v gate.

magnetic energy to momentum conversion.

SINEWAVE · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2008, 08:09:50 PM »

i concur...

and i also know the other sequences you arent revealing....

broli · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2008, 08:27:40 PM »

What's a v-gate? Searching it gives different results. From the spiral setup of magnets to some linear stuff.

And btw Sinewave it's best to share your ideas up front instead of taking the old "I know a secret" route. That way you will trigger other people to spark newer ideas and so on, before you know it lots of people are involved and reach goals much faster.

utilitarian · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2008, 12:17:16 AM »

Quote from: broli on May 29, 2008, 08:27:40 PM

What's a v-gate? Searching it gives different results. From the spiral setup of magnets to some linear stuff.

And btw Sinewave it's best to share your ideas up front instead of taking the old "I know a secret" route. That way you will trigger other people to spark newer ideas and so on, before you know it lots of people are involved and reach goals much faster.

He just means an arrangement of magnets in a V shape. This will naturally cause any ferrous object in the middle of the V to accelerate to the point of the V, assuming the object is on a fixed rail-type path. I have played around with this concept and do not think it is viable. The object cannot generate enough momentum to leave the point of the V and move on to another V. The V is capped at how much acceleration it will give you. If you make the V long and narrow, the object will accelerate too slowly. If you try to make the legs of the V wider, you make the magnetic force to weak at the beginning. The only ways to make it work that I have found are:

1. Introduce gravity to help pull the object away from the point, ala the SMOT. Unfortanately, with the SMOT, you end up lower than you started, so that is also a no go.
2. Have progressively stronger Vs. But the flaw with that is obvious.

powercat · « **Reply #4 on:** May 30, 2008, 12:53:24 AM »

V magnet powered back scrubber anyone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J35JwoTlFvs&feature=related

pc

ramset · « **Reply #5 on:** May 30, 2008, 02:07:18 AM »

Cat like the back scrubber @ one I think this gate[properly tuned] has the potential to send it thru the wall like a railgun Chet

powercat · « **Reply #6 on:** May 30, 2008, 02:20:14 AM »

V-circle nearly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyQ5--E6LAk&feature=related

pc

ramset · « **Reply #7 on:** May 30, 2008, 02:26:15 AM »

Cat and its flying!! Chet

0ne · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2008, 03:39:51 AM »

With the right size mass, and the right strength magnets, with the perfect amount of length, and a perfect amount of angle, you can plow through the gate.

I have already done it.

If you need more power, did you know that your mass is creating electricity as it is going through the v-gate? Channel that electricity to the other side, and power an electromagnet, weak or not.

A horizonal circle is the best bet. Just like the back srubber style.

0ne · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2008, 03:53:19 AM »

Quote from: ramset on May 30, 2008, 02:07:18 AM

Cat like the back scrubber @ one I think this gate[properly tuned] has the potential to send it thru the wall like a railgun Chet

To use intelligence to build weapons that can kill defeats the purpose of being intelligent at all.

But you are correct, the properly tuned V gate/mass ratio can create a lot of momentum in the mass.

SINEWAVE · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2008, 04:50:17 AM »

utilitarian, from reading your post i can deduce that you are incorrect...and have only experimented with '1' gate and used the wrong material.

1.properly utilized a downard introduction of gravity does not have to be implemented, for linear horizontal movement that is.
2.the moving object will exceed the tip of the v...it will not simpy stop at the tip.
3.it is not necessary to use a v shape topology.
4.the more narrow the corridor the faster the acceleration...but also the stronger the sticky point is.

almost all your statements contradict my actual findings.

broli, im not into giving my ideas up to people who dont take the initiative to discover on their own....but i would gladly share information once i see evidence that they have taken the initiative to actually try.

anyone who has the materials in hand can accomplish this.
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one,:

1.mass can be variable

2.angles do not have to be pinpoint accurate

3.length of magnetic gap does not have to be perfect, it only assist in force...there are 2 magnetic gaps BTW (4 if you take into consideration each polarity)

4.creation of electricity may develop eddy currents, upon attempts of storage...i havent tried to store anything yet..but i visualize using inductance to overcome resistance...and not collecting the energy from the field generating the eddy currents...collect it at a different point...

Sudonym · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2008, 05:02:26 PM »

The V in general is not necessarily the correct shape in and of itself, figure out how the fibanocci sequence and Phi are used to create the V shape you see in a tornado, or water going down the drain, and then recreate this movement.

utilitarian · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2008, 05:39:42 PM »

Quote from: SINEWAVE on May 30, 2008, 04:50:17 AM

1.properly utilized a downard introduction of gravity does not have to be implemented, for linear horizontal movement that is.
2.the moving object will exceed the tip of the v...it will not simpy stop at the tip.
3.it is not necessary to use a v shape topology.
4.the more narrow the corridor the faster the acceleration...but also the stronger the sticky point is.

broli, im not into giving my ideas up to people who dont take the initiative to discover on their own....but i would gladly share information once i see evidence that they have taken the initiative to actually try.

Save us the smugness, ok? We do not need your charity. You can keep your wealth of experimental knowledge to yourself.

The only thing you said that I find true is that yes, the moving object can exceed the tip of the V, but it gets pulled back immediately. It is not possible to propel the object to the next V gate.

The more narrow the corridor the faster the accelration? Not what I have noticed, and how does that even make sense logically? If the legs of the V are long and almost parallel, that means that the next point up the line is only a little bit stronger, magnetically, than where the object already is, so acceleration is slower.

resonanceman · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2008, 08:10:52 PM »

Quote from: utilitarian on June 01, 2008, 05:39:42 PM

Save us the smugness, ok? We do not need your charity. You can keep your wealth of experimental knowledge to yourself.

The only thing you said that I find true is that yes, the moving object can exceed the tip of the V, but it gets pulled back immediately. It is not possible to propel the object to the next V gate.

Utilitarian

Save us the smugness? Who do you think you are speaking for ?

As far as it not being able to propel the object to the next gate look at the V circle in reply 6 I count 3 gates.

Or this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41_fkVfFNI&feature=related

It travels smoothly through 3 gates then stops because there are no magnets installed in the holes of the 4th gate

Do you have any other disinformation or bad attitudes to share with us ?

gary

utilitarian · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2008, 02:14:49 AM »

Quote from: resonanceman on June 01, 2008, 08:10:52 PM

Utilitarian

Save us the smugness? Who do you think you are speaking for ?

As far as it not being able to propel the object to the next gate look at the V circle in reply 6 I count 3 gates.

Or this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T41_fkVfFNI&feature=related

It travels smoothly through 3 gates then stops because there are no magnets installed in the holes of the 4th gate

Not sure what is going on there, but like I said before, if the Vs are arranged in order of increasing strength, then yes, you can escape a weaker V in favor of a stronger one. The fact that the author of the video did not show a circle of Vs speaks volumes. This concept cannot work.

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