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hartiberlin

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Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« on: March 25, 2008, 04:57:52 PM »
Hi All,
have a look at his setup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX20QtSlWF4

He can generate a voltage between the SS plate and his
torch tip.

This could be used to generate electricity more easily than using
a fuel cell.
The question is, how high the conversion efficiency from HHO to
electricity is this way ?
Did anybody else try this yet ?
What metals are best used to generate the most electrical energy this way  ?
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ramset

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2008, 11:49:13 PM »
Stephan interesting  I have oxy acetylene torch out in the shop I can answer scarecrows question tomorrow  personally  with rubber hoses I don't see how scarecrow or myself could get any voltage reading but who knows  he's obviously got something there  I was wondering also if anybody has the calculations on BTU per litre of this gas   hydroxy   'browns   ETC thanx Chet
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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2008, 12:28:29 AM »
From what I understand that would make complete sense as you are exciting electrons when you heat the atoms?  since electric is electron flow, it would seem logical that heating the metal speeds up electron orbits, and to a point some of them break free.  On the same hand I would also think that this is a very inefficient way of producing voltage. 
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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2008, 01:09:56 AM »
I think it was Bob Boyce said,when you recombine hydrogen and oxygen you have leftover electrons for extraction.So when you oxidize
the mix in your ICE you have an electrical discharge inside your motor. Regards Ivan T.
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Bulbz

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2008, 02:02:06 AM »
Quote from: hartiberlin on March 25, 2008, 04:57:52 PM
Hi All,
have a look at his setup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX20QtSlWF4

He can generate a voltage between the SS plate and his
torch tip.

This could be used to generate electricity more easily than using
a fuel cell.
The question is, how high the conversion efficiency from HHO to
electricity is this way ?
Did anybody else try this yet ?
What metals are best used to generate the most electrical energy this way  ?


Hmmm... Very interesting. It may require some method of de-focusing the flame, so that it don't burn holes in the metal though.
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buzneg

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2008, 09:42:41 PM »
The free floating electrons, are sqeezed out of metal when it's heated. The atoms vibrate faster so the pressure in the volume of the metal is increased. The metal would expand more but the properties of metal is that it donesn't expand much, so the pressure of the volume of space must be exertted by the electrons blasting away. This is probably why metal conducts heat so well, the heated area blasts electrons into the lower temperature area, and the slower vibrating atoms absorb the momentum, which heats them up and slows the electrons down.
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Bulbz

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2008, 01:08:53 AM »
I wonder how many Amps it can pump though ?.
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ramset

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2008, 01:14:52 AM »
BULBZ please explain what you just posted I did a test today and got nothing on oxy acetlyene  thank you     Chet
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Bulbz

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2008, 01:45:36 AM »
Quote from: ramset on March 27, 2008, 01:14:52 AM
BULBZ please explain what you just posted I did a test today and got nothing on oxy acetlyene  thank you     Chet

What I was wondering after I watched the part of the video where a volt meter was used, if it produces a significant voltage, will it produce any usefull current.

PS...
If  you are not getting a result with Oxy-Acetylene, then the basic reason as to why HHO produces a voltage is, it must be due to the fact that the Hydrogen and Oxygen molecules are oppositely charged. It may be because the two charges act in a similar way to charges in a battery cell, but in this case there may be an electron given off during the burning process or when the molecules meet to become water again.

This is the best that I can explain myself at the moment.  ;)
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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2008, 01:51:04 AM »
Another thought just entered my head...

Does anybody know if Oxygen and Acetylene have different or similar charges ?. Because if they both have the same charge, then this may be the reason why burning Oxy-Acetylene does not produce any voltage.
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buzneg

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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2008, 04:21:26 AM »
Oh his torch tip, I didn't read that right before (and I just scanned the video) but I bet this is what's happening

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Eneco_power_chip

There's crystales that when squeezed exert electrons too. I wonder what would happen if these crystals are used instead of metal?
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Re: Electricity output at HHO gas burning flame charging up metals
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2008, 12:52:47 PM »
Quote from: buzneg on March 27, 2008, 04:21:26 AM
Oh his torch tip, I didn't read that right before (and I just scanned the video) but I bet this is what's happening

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Eneco_power_chip

There's crystales that when squeezed exert electrons too. I wonder what would happen if these crystals are used instead of metal?


Definately worth trying it with crystals, might work.

[EDIT] Might need to pulse the flame though, so that it oscillates the crystal. [/EDIT]
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