Author Topic: FREE ENERGY DEVICE from Ebay??? (Read 57787 times)

dvder · « **Reply #90 on:** March 02, 2008, 01:14:56 AM »

Saw this today.


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   FREE ENERGY DEVICE (120 VOLT ENERGY FROM MID AIR)
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bw · « **Reply #91 on:** March 04, 2008, 07:52:58 AM »

Great job dvder, he is not tricking folks on ebay but still advertising on youtube. likely got sales from both. I left bad comments but now i am blocked. Just trying to warn others.

nrg00 · « **Reply #92 on:** March 06, 2008, 03:42:17 AM »

i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.

a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.

the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.

one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?

gyulasun · « **Reply #93 on:** March 06, 2008, 05:07:37 PM »

Quote from: nrg00 on March 06, 2008, 03:42:17 AM

i ordered the plans. it does have some merit i think although i dont know if his facts are correct until i test it. I wont infringe upon his copywrite as much as id like to tell you my take on it.

a few points though: he does have a few misprints. i called him and he picked up the phone and talked to me. sent the plans email same day. on another note, its not legal to post someones I.P. WHOIS info in a public forum. im not choosing sides, i just want to put things into further perspective. but i do have a great deal of respect for people here i guess thats why its sad to see the hostility towards someone who is encouraging free energy (perhaps in the form of excess wasted magnetism). If he has a fact or 2 wrong then its up to his scientist peers to correct him, not go on a witchhunt after him.

the guy that he owes the $144 to i feel for ya but the guy has no investors. id bet he chose living expense $ over customer refund. hopefully the $40 i sent will makes its way back to ya.

one question to yall though if you wouldnt mind- is it true that no draw on primary sources is affected with a current transformer?

Hi nrg00 and All,

The short answer is yes the draw is affected on primary sources when you use a current transformer but how much it is affected would be a more precise question.

Earlier in this thread a member here who had bought this 'free energy' device quoted from the instructions what Stefan (moderator of this forum) included here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.msg38574.html#msg38574

So it turns out that the current drawn by a normal load like an electric bulb is feed through the primary coil (that consists of one or a few turns) of a current transformer and the output (secondary) coil (that consists of some hundred turns) of this transformer feeds another (separate) load and this is called free energy!!!!

Technically speaking, when you use a current transformer you place an extra (but usually small) load in series with your original load (as if you were connecting a 10W power bulb in series with a 60W bulb and the 10W bulb is on the output of the current transformer and the 60W bulb is the original load). You practically create a voltage divider in your original circuit by transforming another load into it with the transformer and this transformed load appears in series with your original load.
And the more load you put on the output multiturn secondary coil of your current transformer the more power will be taken away from your original load because a transformer is a two-way device. So if you connect another 60W bulb to the output of your current transformer, then -assuming ideal current transformer operation- your first 60W bulb and this 60W bulb will light with half brightness!!! (As if you had connected both 60W bulbs in series with each other.) And by the nature of (any) transformator the more you increase the load on the secondary side (by connecting 100W or higher bulbs for instance), the higher impedance-transformation occurs and reflects to its secondary side which is series with the original 60W bulb so the less power remains for the original 60W bulb to operate from so it gradually dims!

Now the question is: do you still agree with this 'free energy' device?

Because you use the mains for operating the original 60W bulb and you are of course metered and charged for that and you introduce this 'device', you do not GAIN anything BUT you have been ripped off with the price you had paid for this 'brilliant idea'!!!
Now you understand that ongoing witchhunting is still JUSTIFIED after him!

I would appreciate your opinion on this now.

Thanks, Gyula

nrg00 · « **Reply #94 on:** March 06, 2008, 05:47:07 PM »

Hi thanks.

the plans state SPECIFICALLY : does not affect draw from primary source.- the primary bulb will not dim and current from the primary source will not be affected.

My understanding of the plans is that there is an otherwise wasted magnetic field that is just radient energy that he's tapping with the coil which doesnt affect the current draw from primary source.

now of course i know you cant draw ever increasing voltage on the secondary side and maintain the same current on the primary side - thats not logical, however the magnetic field is actually the secondary coil power source, so can this be "drawn" through the lines without actually registering on the meter?

Yes it takes a primary source. but the 'free energy' hes referring to is what he says is radiant magnatism from the primary source current - magnetism otherwise wasted.

so its really a 'residual ambient energy" rather than "free energy" as you must first have a primary source first.

question remains whether the draw of this magnetism (or how much*) into voltage on the secondary actually ends up causing more draw on the Primary. Or if tapping this wasted ambient magnetism somehow does not increase the primary load, but instead cycles the magnetism through undetected by a voltage meter / electric utility meter? Perhaps his experiments used current so low that it was an undetectable change to the primary source current.

it specifically states that no increased draw from primary source occurs when tapping the secondary coil output. If this isnt true then its blatent false advertising (or maybe its a simple error that he needs to be corrected on - which is just a mistake - NOT fraud). otherwise its just harnessing wasted energy that otherwise is released into the atmosphere. more like 'recycled energy' i guess. free is a matter of perspective at that point i guess.

Im just not advanced enough to know until i hook up a an ammeter to the primary with different loads on the secondary. perhaps there is an amount of current that can be drawn without affecting the primary current?

whether 40, 4, or .4 milliamps (typos exist in the document) are produced at the secondary is begging to be tested. i am building something else for the real power. this device here in question just needs to be confirmed or refuted scientifically in my opinion for the principle of the tapping of the "residual magnatism" which supposedly (specifically stated) causes no current draw on the primary.

If i have in any way infringed on copywrite please contact me and ill edit this post down.

and please correct me if im wrong about anything ive said.

gyulasun · « **Reply #95 on:** March 06, 2008, 06:55:37 PM »

Quote from: nrg00 on March 06, 2008, 05:47:07 PM

Hi thanks.

the plans state SPECIFICALLY : does not affect draw from primary source.- the primary bulb will not dim and current from the primary source will not be affected.

Hi,

If I state I have just come back from planet Mars and had a chat with some Martians, do you believe it?
I hope you can test such 'device' soon and experince how it behaves.

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My understanding of the plans is that there is an otherwise wasted magnetic field that is just radient energy that he's tapping with the coil which doesnt affect the current draw from primary source.

now of course i know you cant draw ever increasing voltage on the secondary side and maintain the same current on the primary side - thats not logical, however the magnetic field is actually the secondary coil power source, so can this be "drawn" through the lines without actually registering on the meter?

The question again is how much you "draw"? Electric current flowing in a conductor always makes a magnetic field around it, and if you couple into this field, the action-reaction law manifests, unfortunately. And whether you notice this extra load the coupling introduces depends only on the sensitiveness/resolution of your meter.

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Yes it takes a primary source. but the 'free energy' hes referring to is what he says is radiant magnatism from the primary source current - magnetism otherwise wasted.

so its really a 'residual ambient energy" rather than "free energy" as you must first have a primary source first.

This is not so, magnetism is not wasted because when you wish to utilize this "waste" you notice its consumption in the primary source with sensitive meter means.

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Perhaps his experiments used current so low that it was an undetectable change to the primary source current.

But then what power he received from the 'device', it must have been a tiny amount too!

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it specifically states that no increased draw from primary source occurs when tapping the secondary coil output. If this isnt true then its blatent false advertising (or maybe its a simple error that he needs to be corrected on - which is just a mistake - NOT fraud).

Just a mistake??? How much dollars has he earned so far from this 'mistake'

This is a blatant fraud. If he is an EE student, he would never deserve any degree!!!

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Im just not advanced enough to know until i hook up a an ammeter to the primary with different loads on the secondary. perhaps there is an amount of current that can be drawn without affecting the primary current?

No, there is not, it is all about the question of meter resolution. Just think of or study clamp-on current meters, they work on this same principle.

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whether 40, 4, or .4 milliamps (typos exist in the document) are produced at the secondary is to be tested. i am building a rotoverter for the real power. this device here in question just needs to be confirmed or refuted scientifically in my opinion for the principle of the tapping of the "residual magnatism" which supposedly (specifically stated) causes no current draw on the primary.

There is no excuse for typos in his document because it is not at all the same if he states 40mA or .4mA!!!!!! A huge difference in output power. And if it happens to be the value .4mA is the correct value he really meant, then the price he takes for all this is simply outrageous!
Re rotoverter, this is another topic and do not mix or compare this 'device' to the rotoverter.

rgds, Gyula

nrg00 · « **Reply #96 on:** March 06, 2008, 11:12:03 PM »

thanks for the reply. i really mean it thanks very much for taking the time to share your knowledge.

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If I state I have just come back from planet Mars and had a chat with some Martians, do you believe it?

but if you had actually come back from mars and i didnt believe you, without even any benefit of the doubt, then how would that help me learn about Martians?

the rest of your statements just make sense. you see this is why im in this forum, been lurking over a year or so, all this is only a few years old to me. i think i have read about most devices posted here i bet. but hadnt read about this one yet. ive made a small hydrogen battery, earth batteries and understand the elements in a circuit, hormonics, resonance, freq etc.
thats why i was mystified about no draw from the primary. i was like you and thought the action/reaction law must manifest there unless that magnatism is ALWAYS wasted when we use AC devices like a lamp. i keep hearing how energy is just wasted and thrown off alot and that we want to harness that when possible. But if tapping this magnetism causes draw of current from primary then that destroys my theory.

it was part of my quest to understand the magnetic field which exists along with the current. i will still suspend judgement a little longer though just to give the guy a benefit of the doubt, im not saying i disagree with you though. I just hate to think someone from my State would defraud fellow energy enthusiasts.

bw · « **Reply #97 on:** March 10, 2008, 03:46:26 AM »

nrgoo, HE IS. This is a guy who hurts the free energy search. Someone can waste $300+ on Ronald Baldwin's transformer not just his mistake laden plans, find out it is only a con, then have that much less to invest into experments with real potential for overunity. On top of that, he feels discouraged and may even give up the pursuit. Believe me, this clown is a con man making money doing just that. If you already bought the plans, wind 1100 wraps of wire around your thing (or 2200 for 220v) and see for yourself. Then try to get a refund, lol

bw · « **Reply #98 on:** March 11, 2008, 02:11:23 AM »

better yet ngr00, try to operate it without a splice into the hot wire on the lamp in his badly written plans.

dvder · « **Reply #99 on:** March 11, 2008, 07:21:02 AM »

I would like to see that myself. A video would be cool.

LOL

nrg00 · « **Reply #100 on:** March 13, 2008, 08:16:23 PM »

ok ok. so i sent this email to him today:

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Further research proves that this is NOT a free energy device. Current that is drawn through the current transformer is pulled through from the primary and registers on the electric meter.

Considering that your device is not free energy, and that this tends more towards a scam, I would like you to credit the $39.00 back to my account please. Or send a refund check to:

XXXX
XXX
XXX

Thnaks for correcting this, and I hope you will correct your misinforming selling. You are hurting the free-energy movement and education. If you don't choose to reply to this I will initiate legal procedures within two weeks from today - 3-13-08

Please refer to http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.new.html#new

Thank you.
Sincerely

XX
XXX
XX

PS i have decided to go with a vertical wind turbine (of the disk-type nature) for one. Also secondly a Fresnel lens to heat a water within a plexiglass box to produce steam, then transfer to a small steam generator and take excess into hot water heaters.

The trick with the fresnel lens method is to have a solar tracker device like used for solar panel array, and the tracker moves the lens which has the small box of water attached to the Lens so that the whole assembly moves as one unit.

the Lens will be used for hot water and some electric, while the wind generator will be for nighttime/stormy/windy days. This should cover all my energy usage.

i also will suppliment the whole thing with a couple solar panels since theres no moving parts and will have something going in case of a breakdown of any mechanical parts.

to top it off - a connection to the power grid for any extra charging of batteries needed or for unforseeable situations.

bw · « **Reply #101 on:** March 13, 2008, 11:05:03 PM »

nrgroo, check out the "fuelless heating hydrosonic pump" makes steam in large volumes using very small electric motor. is overunity. New Albany Fire Dept. is currently using one for all their hot water/steam needs. another good guy to study is Marko Rodin. Also I found these recently, this guy knows his stuff but not giving away plans, he is Donald Smith, http://www.altenergy-pro.com/rec.htm also more info on http://nuenergy.org/iw/2005/smith2005.htm

the hydrosonic pump video only has sound today on my computer and comments were gone. video could be gone soon on this one.

bolt · « **Reply #102 on:** March 23, 2008, 03:49:25 AM »

Its a sad day for mankind now our friend on Ebay is not selling his free energy device.

I was hoping it would really work and save about 9 cents a year off my lecky bill as well as help save the planet.

Xformer · « **Reply #103 on:** April 10, 2008, 09:31:19 PM »

Hey guys,
I am new and happy to see all the friends here.
U guys do a great job !!!
Salute!!

@bw
I think U do a good thing to nail Ronald Baldwin @ ncbookz.com
we should report all the case to internet crime.
Pls post all the channels !!

@ stephen sorry I mean stefan Haryberlin
I suggest to have a remarkable site to help and warn any new friends who are
interested in this field before they got trap with rascal like Ron.
It just too hard to find this topic among all the wondeerful discusssions!!!
Iwish I can get this info earlier to help a guy who paid for Ron with the$ from
the parants who are willing to help. Because of this scam they want draw
out the support for this field.
It will be very important for the people who are developing the new tech to
help and warn the general public before they got hurt and feel upset about
this field while U all working so hard to bring it out.
If it is possible some heros should take care of this job and posted vids on
youtube like Blurn did as often and update as possible,and if it is OK with
team U should put overunity to link it up so the people in the world can
come to this web to learn and build up the reputation of researchers of this
field. Although nobody can catch the same thing even we posted it but
it is still our job for this long process of education.
If Ron has the freedom to lie and scam then we should have the freedom
to clean it before all these scams sent to Hell !!!

Thak U all for the great efforts and support to make this a better world !!!

P.S. I mean when general public come to this web and found researchers
reputable and honest , they might have more confidence in this field and
willing to support this field in many other ways that we never consider.

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