Author Topic: Working Magnetic Motor on you tube?? (Read 1341039 times)

PolyMatrix · « **Reply #2085 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:12:42 AM »

How about starting a OC-MPMM replications information exchange only thread?

PolyMatrix · « **Reply #2086 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:14:16 AM »

@Bruce

I have sound when I play it

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #2087 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:16:15 AM »

Quote from: PolyMatrix on February 03, 2008, 10:14:16 AM

@Bruce

I have sound when I play it

That is great news! I wonder why there is no sound for me?

Oh well, off to bed! LOL I am happy now that others can see and hear them.

Night,

Bruce

dean_mcgowan · « **Reply #2088 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:18:52 AM »

Bruce,

Nice Vid!

I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration. Is it at all possible that you can do this by fixing the stators in place with blue tac or something as I can't help but believe you are adding energy into the system (not accusing you of deliberate fakery).

Cheers,
Dean

Tinker · « **Reply #2089 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:34:40 AM »

Dean

Based on his postings he "Shut It Down" before he went to bed I wasn't there. His motivations and thought processes were not not made clear to me.

Again do you have any information that you are willing to present that he is not genuine?

TINKER

dean_mcgowan · « **Reply #2090 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:38:45 AM »

Quote from: Tinker on February 03, 2008, 10:34:40 AM

Dean

Based on his postings he "Shut It Down" before he went to bed I wasn't there. His motivations and thought processes were not not made clear to me.

Again do you have any information that you are willing to present that he is not genuine?

TINKER

Can you please post a link to those quotes as I honestly remember it differently and I just cant find it ?

vipond50 · « **Reply #2091 on:** February 03, 2008, 11:37:13 AM »

Quote from: dean_mcgowan on February 03, 2008, 10:18:52 AM

Bruce,

Nice Vid!

I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration. Is it at all possible that you can do this by fixing the stators in place with blue tac or something as I can't help but believe you are adding energy into the system (not accusing you of deliberate fakery).

Cheers,
Dean

@Dean
How could he add energy? He did not do any additional movements other than the start up.
hmmm.... maybe he was wiggling his fore finger

Dean.... why don't U construct one of these little beast? Then U can answer all your own q"s
U must be thinking of the Steorn rep video where the guy was oscillating a magnet to induce rotation ?

Regards
Bill

Joakim · « **Reply #2092 on:** February 03, 2008, 11:55:21 AM »

@dean_mcgowan

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I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration.

I have to agree there. I also have a hard time hearing acceleration - and I've been tinkering with sounds as a hobby for years. I'm however a little bit hopefull that there is something exciting behind all this, although trying to keep my sceptic half alert.

EDIT: Most camcorders have a sound frequency range of approx. 20hz-48.000hz. If one was to use the raw sound (i.e. not these mp3 versions that are embeded in youtube videos) from a recording like this, it should (depending on the level of noise) be quite easy to find any acceleration by loading it into software with a spectrum analysis view of the whole file (Adobe Audition for example). In spectrum view mode the sound coming off one of these things will look like a broad or narrow line (depending on the amount of frequencies the rotor generates), going up if accelerating or down if decelerating - easy peasy.

Jdo300 · « **Reply #2093 on:** February 03, 2008, 12:26:06 PM »

Hello All,

Just a few words here....

@ All Skeptics,

Look, we are all doing research here, and we are all endeavoring to determine once and for all if Al's device works. While we do this, it is definitely great to have a an objective point of view along with a healthy dose of skepticism. But any time spent bashing Al or this motor has no place here. We've already been discussing this motor for 140 pages and I'm sure that the serious builders here don't want to hear more of this. I'm sure many here will agree with me that we wouldn't even bother spending time and money on this thing if it didin't show any promise whatsoever. I have one of these things sitting on my desk right now, and after some corrections have been made to the rotor disk (which was improperly sized), then I too will post results. Point is that this motor is showing signs of working, and though I definitely maintain a level-headed perspective on it, I'm not going to bash Al for taking the time to show the idea to us. Right or wrong, we will get to the end of this; 'nuff said.

@Bruce,

Great video. but like others mentioned, we can barely hear it (I couldn't and I was trying to listen to it over the phone remember!). I would recommend that you put the camera closer to the setup. Another alternative would be to route the audio input to a computer mic and set that close to the rig with the input volume turned all the way up. Lastly, it would help if you added some sort of visual indicator to the rotor (like a strip of tape) so we can get an idea of how fast it is spinning.

God Bless,
Jason O

markdansie · « **Reply #2094 on:** February 03, 2008, 12:37:01 PM »

Dear Sterling,
I think what you are implying is that the 10 minutes of running in the situation you are describing was due to the bringing of the stator magnet into position, serving to sort of spring-load the device, which then eventually dissapated.

This is correct, the kinetic energy required to bring the stator arm in was transfered to rotational energy, then of course once that is used the unit stops. Well done.

However, Al reports to have run his motor for 7 hours continues, at which point he shut it off so he could go to bed. Also, in Al's situation, the stator magnets are already in place, and once they get in sync with the rotor, they cause the aparatus to ACCELERATE.

No Proof, no independent validation ...just heresay. This would easily be resolved with an independent validation. I have also seen devices accelerate and in every case it could be explained.

At least five people have replicated Al's effect to some degree:

Has any of them got a self runner...lets say runs for a couple of hours, with measured power output, degausing tests???. If it was a straightforward as it appeared on youtube it should be a lot easier. You and I both know a clever engineer who is working on this with no positive results so far. Might I remind you of Perendev, who also had a video on the net with a working motor!!!!

http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:MPMM:Replications

For these reasons, I don't think your skepticism from your other experience can be tranferred here.

Actually quite the oppersite, I stand by my statement that there is no independently validated self running magnetic motor in existence. I hope there would be so we could test one to see if they degauss. I think you could expand that to experiences...I have had many over the years.
I do encourage people to continue there work, you never know when someone might get lucky.

Furthermore, it may be reason to have hope that your other scenario may be legit after all -- just very early in R&D, with a lot of characterizing and engineering before it will be of practical value. If I recall correctly, that set-up was quite similar to OC / Al's

Sorry on that count, I cant reveal the details of the setup (NDA) However , I have no doubt it will come to nothing. But I never close the book. But I will admit, it had me fooled for a while (20 mins)

PS dont worry,
I wont be posting here for a while, I seldom do.

Kind Regards
Mark

dean_mcgowan · « **Reply #2095 on:** February 03, 2008, 12:41:16 PM »

Quote from: vipond50 on February 03, 2008, 11:37:13 AM

Quote from: dean_mcgowan on February 03, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
Bruce,

Nice Vid!

I have sound too.. though i find it hard to perceive the acceleration. Is it at all possible that you can do this by fixing the stators in place with blue tac or something as I can't help but believe you are adding energy into the system (not accusing you of deliberate fakery).

Cheers,
Dean
@Dean
How could he add energy? He did not do any additional movements other than the start up.
hmmm.... maybe he was wiggling his fore finger

Dean.... why don't U construct one of these little beast? Then U can answer all your own q"s
U must be thinking of the Steorn rep video where the guy was oscillating a magnet to induce rotation ?

Regards
Bill

Specs are too loose and no convincing reps so far, otherwise I would certainly try.

RunningBare · « **Reply #2096 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:45:48 PM »

After downloading Bruce's video with Videoget and playing it back in mplayerc the sound of the acceleration is much clearer and definite, but it does not rule out the fact Bruce imparted quite a lot of energy to start the rotor, it is possible that the system was accelerating to find the resonant speed, whats needed is a comparison, how much energy imparted by Bruce's hand compared to the acceleration time.

A suggestion to anyone that wants to try, get one of those motors from an old portable CD player and connect it to the shaft of the rotor, and some kind of variable control, then adjust rotor speed, at resonance the motor should draw the least current.

Kudos to Bruce, nicely done.

dean_mcgowan · « **Reply #2097 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:51:16 PM »

Quote from: RunningBare on February 03, 2008, 01:45:48 PM

After downloading Bruce's video with Videoget and playing it back in mplayerc the sound of the acceleration is much clearer and definite, but it does not rule out the fact Bruce imparted quite a lot of energy to start the rotor, it is possible that the system was accelerating to find the resonant speed, whats needed is a comparison, how much energy imparted by Bruce's hand compared to the acceleration time.

A suggestion to anyone that wants to try, get one of those motors from an old portable CD player and connect it to the shaft of the rotor, and some kind of variable control, then adjust rotor speed, at resonance the motor should draw the least current.

Kudos to Bruce, nicely done.

What part of "as long as Bruce is interacting with the system in any way whilst it is accelerating he potentially is adding energy" don't you guys get ?

FunkyJive · « **Reply #2098 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:55:30 PM »

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A suggestion to anyone that wants to try, get one of those motors from an old portable CD player and connect it to the shaft of the rotor, and some kind of variable control, then adjust rotor speed, at resonance the motor should draw the least current.

Seconded!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg73536.html#msg73536

FunkyJive

RunningBare · « **Reply #2099 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:57:24 PM »

Quote from: dean_mcgowan on February 03, 2008, 01:51:16 PM

What part of "as long as Bruce is interacting with the system in any way whilst it is accelerating he potentially is adding energy" don't you guys get ?

I probably understand a lot more than you, for example his nervous system and muscles could well be imparting enough energy via his fingers into the stator as he holds them, in layman's terms, trembling hands.

These are possibilities I do not discount, just as I do not discount there may be some potential in this.

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