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Author Topic: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications  (Read 1725936 times)

electricme

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2760 on: October 31, 2009, 09:34:51 AM »
@all

I have to remove two protruding axles, and cut off other larger sections, all necessary to get this Stubblefield winder going.

1641 = the offending item to be cut off
1642 = made a start, almost done
1643 = Done, offending item removed
1644 = Getting ready to remove one of the old end supports
1645 = Done, time 4 a cuppa T  :D

I was up untill the weeee small hours of the morning, Im tired so I'm calling it a early night
Catch you all tomorra

jim

 

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2761 on: October 31, 2009, 08:50:47 PM »
I have an internet friend who is a sculptor. From time to time he sends out links to his list. Today was a whopper.
This is the write-up from live leak.

From the exhibition Sculpture in Motion at the Atlanta Botanical Garden on view through October 2008 and curated by Brigitte Micmacker from Sculpturesite Gallery. Courtesy the Curator's commentary: "Morpho Tower, Sachiko Kodama's mesmerizing synthesis of science, technology and art rises like an eccentric, thorny, botanical form within a world of most peculiar botanical forms housed in the Desert  House of the Fuqua Conservatory.
Employing electromagnets and magnetically-charged microfine particles suspended in oil set in motion through a computer controller, Kodama, who is associate professor at Tokyo's University of Electro-Communications, explores an entirely new territory where the seductive glossy black liquid seems to turn into rows of solid spikes impeccably organized around a spiraling cone, only to dissolve abruptly into obvious liquidity once again --a rhythmic flow and ebb, an alchemic dance where the artist playfully communicates basic principles of physics without elucidating them."

and here are 2 videos of the sculpture.
yer gonna luvit!

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3ad_1233021969
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8e9_1233801331

wow a great demo of magnetism in motion!

jeanna

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2762 on: November 01, 2009, 02:10:58 AM »
I have a technical question relating to the production of DC from a big transformer.
This question I am directly asking mw383 and tishatang for their responce.
but others may answer if they so wish.

Here is my problem.
I have a NiCAD battery bank setup on my side verrandah, it consists of 20 ALCAD MP 300 individual 1.2 volt cells
I have a old Lead Acid battery discharge tester which is designed for the 2 volt wet cells, not these 1.2 volt cells, but it can still give the Ni-CAD cells a workout.

These I want to drive my UPS which powers my PC and a range of other stuff.

A couple of these cells are rather low in output, although they do come up with a good recharge, but they don't hold their charge as long as the other cells.

What I think they need is a single or a couple of BOOST charges to get them going properly again, but I currently don't have a DC rectifier that is capable of handling the punishment I want to meat out to then for about 1 hour or more.
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OK, I have a MOT where I have modified the Secondary output, I removed the original secondary winding and rewound it with 4 loops of the usual size lead that runs from the car battery down to the starter motor.
Now I have avaliable hundreds of amps avaliable, at 4 volts, but this is AC, not DC

Here is what I suggest to alter the AC output to a DC output, I have not tried this, but it stands to reason it will work.

If I place a heavy diode on one leg of the 240 volt input to the primary side of the MOT, would I get DC out, by driving the primary with DC pulces.
It would have to be of sufficient wattage to be able to drive the primary coil. What size should I use?



My thinking is, as the AC drives the MOT, the secondary reflects the AC sine wave in the output of the secondary coil.
So we get the same sine wave on the output of the secondary, albeit the voltage is much lower but the AMPs are much much higher.

Now, if the MOT primary was fed only the top half of the 240v AC, then the output of the secondary would reflect it's output as the same, so would only the top half of the sine wave be presented, and would the AMPs reflect this also.

If this is so, would this be a way I could get hundreds of DC amps without using a ultra heavy duty diode on the output of the MOTs secondary coils.

I think a stream of DC pulces will be able to really give the offending cells a bit of a workout and perhapse recover them back to a resonable capacity, or at least recover the cell somewhat.

Now, the AC here is 50 cycles, so if I place a diode on the imput, I should get 25 pulces in and 25 pulces out.
 

jim

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2763 on: November 01, 2009, 03:06:24 AM »
@electricme
My quick answer is that it will not work.  An inductor will kick back what you put in just like a capacitor.  Even though you pulse the primary, as soon as the pulse stops, the inductor will push back the current you put in.  The secondary will see a distorted AC input signal.  The secondary will tend to smooth it out even more.  The end result will be AC.  You will need the heavy duty diode on the output.

There may be another way to condition the weak cells by radiant conditioning using a Bedini type charger?  Use the search function on this forum and search conditioning batteries, or reconditioning batteries or something like that.  Somewhere I have an article or link.  I will look for it.

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2764 on: November 01, 2009, 03:40:28 AM »
Here is a schematic of a radiant charger.  Unfortunately I don't know where I found it?  It may not work for nicad?  However, in my readings, some posts indicate success with nicad batteries.  Research it before trying on your batteries.  Otherwise find a heavy duty diode. 

electricme

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2765 on: November 01, 2009, 04:41:22 AM »
OK All,
Time to get back to the Stubblefield coil machine I am making

Modifications update.
I also found the bottom square steel was far too long, so I grabbed my cutoff wheel and chopped it off.

1672 = Drive side is in the vice, the deed is done, severed.

Next item is to fit a socket onto the tapered square shaft, luckily for me there is a center bolt I can feed through the socket to attach it to the shaft.
The idea I am going with is, it makes no sense to do all this work for only 1 size bolt, so I decided to design the winder jig to accommodate any size bolt and shaft, this gives me much more scope, possibilities are endless now.

1673 = The center bolt can be seen poking through the center of the socket, I am about to screw it to the bearing shaft assembly.

1674 = Socket and bearing and shaft assembled (only hand tightened), I can remove this socket and replace it with a smaller or larger socket.

1675 = This is a side view of just this section, just to give everyone a better idea what I am on about.

1678 = Grab the bolt you are using to be used to wind the bifilar coils on and place the "head" of the built into the sockets end. As you can see, this is what you will end up with if it all goes to plan.

The next step will be to to cut the slide rails for the end securing slide assembly. Before making the slide assembly I need to make the slide structure itself, so I decided to use 2 long sections of square steel as rails, which need to be made before the slide itself.

jim

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2766 on: November 01, 2009, 05:17:42 AM »
Thankyou tishatang

@electricme
My quick answer is that it will not work.  An inductor will kick back what you put in just like a capacitor.  Even though you pulse the primary, as soon as the pulse stops, the inductor will push back the current you put in.  The secondary will see a distorted AC input signal.  The secondary will tend to smooth it out even more.  The end result will be AC.  You will need the heavy duty diode on the output.

There may be another way to condition the weak cells by radiant conditioning using a Bedini type charger?  Use the search function on this forum and search conditioning batteries, or reconditioning batteries or something like that.  Somewhere I have an article or link.  I will look for it.
I am currently modifying a small plug pack iron transformer, I will produce the results, with my findings, DMM and scope screens.
1679 = Here is my small AC 240v in and AC out, the PCB with bridge and smoothing cap has to be removed.
 

I am open to what ever results are seen.

Thankyou

jim

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2767 on: November 01, 2009, 05:44:12 AM »
@all

I have an answer to my question of, can I feed pulses of DC into the 240 volt primary of a transformer and get a DC pulse output.

The short answer is, I can feed 240v DC pulses, BUT the effects are disastrous indeed.
I soldered a silicon diode 1N4004 on the active side of the input, neutral to the other end of the primary.

Connected DMM leads and CRO leads to the output.
At switch on, I see on the secondary 0.01 to 0.04 volts DC, but I see 18.0 volts AC, quite amazing and this backs up tishatang's post exactly. As events transpired, I did not have time to take a photo of the DMM readings

I managed to take 1 scope shot before HEAT took a hand in things.
The primary winding went open circuit, I could not hold the transformer, it was far too hot to touch let alone hold.

Surprisingly, the DIODE is quite OK, I am amazed with this experiment, thank you tishatang for your input.

The outcome is IT WONT WORK, proven without doubt.
I submit the scope image which I managed to take just seconds before failure took effect, your remarks will be interresting.
I was in the process of swapping the cro leads to see if the wave form would alter when it went kaput.

My theory is, the energy pulse cannot be transferred to the secondary properly, I don't know why, but the extremely fast heating points me to the collapsing core magnetic field has nowhere to go, it builds up and up and up, the iron becomes saturated and it alters from a magnetic field to heat energy.

This experiment ran for about 2 minutes maximum.

I could have fried an egg on it. lol.

jim

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2768 on: November 01, 2009, 07:23:06 AM »
@electricme
Serendipity plays a part in life, especially in science.  You may have just discovered a way to prove excess heat in to an inductor using timed pulses.  See the the Rosemary Aimslee thread.  That thread is a barrel of snakes and a big pissing contest if it is OU or not.  Partly because they are using small resistor inductors.  The small currents and heat are subject to measurement errors.  You, on the other hand may have found an experiment you can grab onto.  Or not, if it's too hot!  WE all need an efficient heater.  It's already starting to be a cold winter.  You might want to tell Rosemary what you did and let her see if it is related to her patent?

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2769 on: November 01, 2009, 07:27:15 AM »


The short answer is, I can feed 240v DC pulses, BUT the effects are disastrous indeed.


I take it this is a rectified pulse from a wall outlet?

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I managed to take 1 scope shot before HEAT took a hand in things.
That shot is very much like a wave I see on the earth battery a lot.
It is a little crooked. The earth battery one is more symmetrical, but more like it than anything else I have seen.

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The outcome is IT WONT WORK, proven without doubt.
I submit the scope image which I managed to take just seconds before failure took effect,


I could have fried an egg on it. lol.

Hmm we were just talking about using pulses to make an immersion heater.. ;D

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If this came from the wall, I would say I am not sure it is proved.
 Until you take a joule thief or something else that cannot in any way borrow from the power company, I am not convinced.

On the other hand, I too have had very little success using pulses across a transformer to do anything.
 But I would have thought I had something if my earth battery produced heat somewhere!

I have had results by using those pulses in series with a coil.
-Pulses into the wire of a coil in series with the pulses, not across the coil.

You could try that. It is an interesting experiment,

thank you,

jeanna

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Good idea Tishatang!

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2770 on: November 01, 2009, 08:07:42 AM »
@MW383 and All re dowsing

Its like the realtors say, location, location, location.  For the EB to work, we must know to best places to put the rods.  In the old days, people were more in tune with the earth.  I will say if you have a skeptic mind, dowsing won't work.  You have to believe it will work and ask for what you are looking and the earth currents will respond.  A lot depends on your emotional state and need.  Here is my experience with my only attempt at dowsing:

In 1969, my small town experienced a major flood.  About 14 people died in mudslides and about 60 homes destroyed and maybe 200 badly damaged including mine.  It took about one year afterward for me to get the energy to rebuild my house.  I needed to find the water meter.  After one year the ground had dried rock hard with the flood debris about two feet deep.  I dug about three holes where I though the meter was.  I could not find the meter.
I have a bad back and digging is very difficult for me.  I thought I would try to dowse for it.  I got two welding rods, bent them in an L, and walked in a straight line and got a feeble reading.  Not being sure it was a reading, I came in from a slightly different direction and got another small reading at the same spot.   I said OK, I will dig another hole.  Lo and behold, I hit the meter head on.  Even though I had never dowsed before, had no lessons, I did have a great emotional need to find that meter.  It has been said that earth currents are semi conscious.  They will respond to your needs.  If the dowser wants water, his mentally asks for it.  If he wants gold, he states his need and the currents respond.  I wanted my meter and I found it.  Ask for the best place to put the rods.

Here is the best doc on dowsing as an attachment:

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2771 on: November 01, 2009, 08:26:34 AM »
My opinion is that the alignment is more important than the location.  Of course, I could be wrong but it works for me.

I used to do a lot of metal detecting with a White's metal detector.  Never tried dowsing but I do believe in it as not too long ago folks hired one before digging wells and they were correct most of the time.  I may cut up some coat hangers and give it a go.  It would be a fun experiment.

Bill

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replication
« Reply #2772 on: November 01, 2009, 11:23:35 AM »
@Bill

In the beginning, I am sure dowsing ability played a major role with Stubblefield.  However, I've come to the conclusion, that later on, he was able to condition the ground.  At that point he could have put the rods anywhere within the conditioned field and drawn energy.

I hope my intuition is correct.  As I develop theory of his EB, I will reveal how I think he did this.  My idea started on the other thread and I will continued my thoughts there.  That way a year or two from now, a new person may find the thread and everything will be in the same place.  I may be wrong, but it could be a piece of the puzzle.  If I am right, it would be nice if we did not have to worry about where to put the rods.  We just put them in the ground and condition the spot where they are.

Chris

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2773 on: November 01, 2009, 01:58:30 PM »
I have the property to try this conditioning. Im thinking Zinc powder or a Zinc solution. If you guys can give me your opinion on how to set the experiment up for an EB with Zinc Ill try it. Should Zinc powder be used or a solution.? What mesh? Dimensions for a viable experiment? How deep? Should another element be used that doesn't destroy the earth for vegetation?  Im in South Central Florida.
 How would you know when dousing with branches or metal if your picking up water,metal,or a magnetic field? I know there are magnetic field detectors but they sure are expensive. I found this unit that is supposed to pick up metal,pvc or magnetic fields for $25.
http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_1054_1054

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Re: Nathan Stubblefield Earth battery/Self Generating Induction Coil Replications
« Reply #2774 on: November 01, 2009, 04:55:10 PM »
Chris:

You might be correct.  All we have is what we can read and we have to decide what is correct and what may not be.  As I have said before, if it was something specific to Stubblefield's farm area, or conditioning he did to the ground, how did he make his system work when he took it on the road for demonstrations in Philly, NY and Washington DC?  One of these, he did in the Potomac river itself from a boat.  His system still worked.  That is what I can't figure out.

Bill