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Mechanical free energy devices => mechanic => Topic started by: wattsup on September 09, 2007, 06:42:30 PM
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Ok, I am starting this new thread to get away from the Chas Campbell Perpetual Motion Wheel cause there is just too much clutter and blah blah.
I put this in the RV section because there is no section on the board dealing with no-name brand non-RV motor generators, at least I could not find one.
I have also removed the prevous text below figuring those that needed to read it have done so. there is no point to leave it continuously.
I am putting the original design of Chas' Flywheel Generator (CFG) below and will add any pretinent build information here as it is identified.
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@Ash and @Chas
I have taken time and looked over the design of the fylwheel system as shown in the figure given by @Hans via someone at Panacea (I think).
First and foremost the design does not show enough bearings. Each wheel should have its bearings on both sides of the pulleys, plus the drive and generator should be on a bearing via a coupling. The pulleys should never be on the motors as you do not want to create any horizontal or side stress on the rotor bearings. You want that motor to only turn without side stress, and, you don't want the pulleys to move one iota.
OK, from what I have observed with flywheels, the main thing is to isolate it as much as possible from both the drive and the generator.
Currently, the flywheel is going directly to a 9" pulley then to a 4.5" pulley and in my view, this is where the design has its weakness.
As soon as there is drag on the Generator, with a 9" to 4.5" you will still feel the drag. You have to put a smaller pulley on the output side of the flywheel so you have the easiest rotations possible and gear upwards from there. This ensures the flywheel always has strength and is not directly coupled so close to the drag.
Please take a look at the designs I have prepared as alternatives along with the Chas' original design. Plus you can see the rpms per pulley.
Alternative #1 uses most of the current pulley sizes so this could be an easy modification.
Alternative #2 is for people who may want to start from scratch. The 3-6-9 uses only 3", 6" and 9" pulleys. Seems very interesting. You can call it the ChasTeslian Wheel cause Tesla liked three's and I'm sure he would like Chas.
The main idea behind the alternatives is that they ensure the drag from the generator is as far away from the flywheel as possible. The gearing gives the whole system strength to overcome the drag. You would have to start the system with the generator at off position to get up to speed then connect the generator and gradually increase power until you reach your maximum potential. I would not use an RV setup as you will require the full torque of the PM.
Now these alternatives are based on the PM with an RPM of 1430. If you change the RPM (hint hint) you would need to change the pulley sizes. IDEALLY, the system should have a higher rpm PM, looking to bring the flywheel in the 5000 rpm range, then let any drag bring it down to 3200. Right now with a 1430 rpm motor, this is not possible. I imagine these gearings would also apply to 60hz with slighlty higher RPM but I did not crunch the numbers.
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Actually, if I decided to make a CFG unit, I would probably not use a generator at first. I would use a positive displacement water pump and loop water from a tank with a flow meter, pressure gauge and flow control valve. This way I could get my performance results in GPM/PSI which can be translated to HP/WATTS.
First, the water pump could easily be coupled to the Prime Mover to get a direct 1:1 performance reading. Then it could be placed on each pulley section to measure the different results, all the way through to the final output side. Once I would have these results, this would then show if the system produced more than the PM direct. I could then choose the right generator to match the system, and/or make changes in pulley sizes to see if it can be improved further.
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@Ash and @Chas
First and foremost the design does not show enough bearings.
The more bearing the more friction and losses.
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G'day all,
For those of you that are interested in this technology there is another thread on this forum called General flywheel questions started by ken_nyal that might be relevant.
Personally I have doubts that any new discoveries will be made in relation to flywheels. The technology is old and very well understood by science. No-one has in several hundred years of research ever reported over unity in relation to flywheels, no credible report that is.
But have a go just the same, every opportunity for learning is worth something.
Hans von Lieven
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I share Hans' opinion of the potential.
I'll keep my comments very short and try to stay out of it here for the most part.
If I see any snake-oil salesman claims of great arcing torrents of free energy based on obtuse inaccurate suspicious output peak pulse power levels into reactive loads measured with rusted fish scales, Ouija boards and pulse-clutched deProny brakes, I will probably chime in with some little tirade or two.
Please watch out for the hocus pocus time/power/energy/pulsed output vs. steady input shell game. There is plenty of opportunity to fool yourselves and "the audience" into thinking you've got OU when really you're at 53% energy efficiency.
No pretending VAR are watts and no comparing peak instantaneous output pulses against average continuous input...you know...the regular flim flam stuff.
Measure the total actual useful forward energy flow with good trustworthy instruments, correct loads and proper techniques and old Humbugger will just sit and watch.
Humbugger Out
And remember...there are prizes! Red and black stars for bad boys; gold stars for good boys! And girls, too!
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@Hum
I get what you're saying about test results and this is of great concern to me also. This is why I am thinking that we should not base tests on a generator output because each model generator will perform differently.
This is why I am proposing that the generator be removed from the test and instead to use a test bench as shown below, or as can be convened mutually.
Water is water, pressure is pressure and flow is flow.
Would this be an acceptable method where the results could be measured and compared apples to apples?
Also, the flywheel could be designed in a way to permit adding or removing layers for more or less weight to test under different conditions.
Replication cost would not be that great so I may decide to build one. But I'll have to look at this closer for a while before I decide.
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I believe that a Wimshurst electrostatic generator
has a COP>1 similar to that of a heatpump, and like
the heatpump and the freon based dipping bird it uses the
environment to supply energy in this case a continuing source
of non-ionized matter. If the environment cannot make sufficient
non-ionized matter available then environment local to machine
undergoes what some people euphemistically would call a
'radiant energy event' a general electrostatic breakdown of
the nearby environmental/and the machine's own, insulators.
Ionized matter is somewhat of an unusual form of matter
in that it can simultaneously be considered to be in surplus,
ie. have an electrostatic charge and also to be in deficit,
ie. have a lack of electrons depending on which operational
point of view one wishes to take. Electrostatic charge is
measured in voltage and number of electrons or coulombs
charge, while electrodynamic instantaneous energy ie.
power is measured in volts multiplied by amperes or watts.
The Testatika machine is such a self running wimshurst
electrostatic type generator that uses a vacuum tube
radio frequency oscillator to create a HV/RF/AC signal
that is stepped down using RF transformers, rectified
and DC stepped down again through an inverse capacitive
voltage multiplier (divider). So the Testatika machine
runs itself and supplies energy run user loads without
a direct source of energy but using the environment
to recycle the matter containing the energy it receives.
Unlike a heatpump though, its energy is already in
upgraded form, electrodynamic potential static electricity
and requires only simple relatively efficient systems to
downconvert electrical potential energy to the electro-
dynamic form of voltage and current. It is a better basis
then using heat for a self-running system because it energy
does not have to run through a Carnot cycle heat engine
to be recovered. This machine and others like them are
considered to be within the 'free electron machine'
classification. While I think these work according to
above model I currently fail to see any reason to call
any of these machines Zero Point Energy (ZPE) producers.
Some of the Bedini Motors self run using magnetic
wheels rotating in air. These rotating wheels create a
static electric charge. The School Girl Motor which is
Bedini's most famous self running system and actually
has three different PMM energy supplies built into the
one unit. (1) They are magnetic power field mills, taking
energy from other machine's stray magnetic fields due
to its open field coil construction techniques. (2) They
receive static electrical charge due to their wheel
with its magnet drive coil also performing the function
of electrostatic brush. (3) And finally they get the
majority of their power from a pulse process that
causes gain to occur inside acid/lead storage batteries.
Bedini calls this (2) 'radiant energy' but us electrodynamics
paradigm-2 people know it as static electric charge.
Having intentional static electricity flowing in circuitry
has it's downside though, in that it makes life difficult
for instrumentation. It will tend to damage digital meters
and computer interfaced instruments. So you often see these
experimenters resorting to electromechanical meters because
they are far less susceptible to static electric damage.
Capacitors too, absolutely do not like any applied voltages
beyond their working voltage so SGM circuitry often lacks
capacitors that would assist with amplifier stability problems.
Charles Campbell Overunity Motor Generator most probably operates
in the same way. Wheels spinning in air and belt friction produce
and move static electric charge. The transducer (the thing that
converts static electric charge to electrical current) is either
the motor, the generator, or especially acid/lead storage batteries
(if present). These systems tend to stop operating overunity if they
have a metal frame which is properly connected to an earth
ground.
Sorry for the length of this post but a lot of the above
information seems not to be known and often remains hidden
from most experimenters, so I thought I would lay it all out.
Mark S. Coffman
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thanks mark, that's a nice perspective.
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@mscoffman
Thank you also for your kind information and also welcome to the overunity.com forum.
As you can tell, we are a bunch of die-hards, often stubborn and mostly enthusiastic in the endeavors for free energy systems.
From your information, if I have understood it well enough, there is a possibility that static charges are being generated by turning wheels, etc., and that this may be picked up by the motor or generator. Although this type of potential gain in energy is not a bad thing in itself if you take the perspective of a us who work in OU, since any energy from any source is welcome, this energy should not be obtainable in one condition and not in another, since the apparatus in question could be used in varying methods with the expectation of performance in all circumstances.
From this, I am therefore more inclined to reduce this static charge by grounding all metals parts. By doing so this would reduce the influence of such charges on the system, therefore permitting to measure the performance based on the actual rotational/mass gain of such a system.
So, we should take this into consideration and add a line to the build specs calling for a grounding of the metals, or designing the system with metal supports, etc., that can be easily grounded.
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G'day all,
Found on another thread, thought it appropriate for here.
Actually, Nasa have developed flywheel storage systems as possible replacements to batteries. They use magnetic bearings, and run in a vacuum. The report 50000 rpm. the limiting factor seems to be the tensile strength of the flywheels, which if exceeded, blow up, sending shrapnel flying like bullets. consequently they are encased in heavy steel cylinders and buried underground. They also have an efficiency rating of only 90%.
Hans von Lieven
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Hi mate the RV is now coupled to his set up, ill have some results for you soon, we have geared it down to spin at the same speed as the RV motor is 2800 RPM, his is 1430 or some thing.
Also do you want me to post the Gen EXTRACTION circuits here? let me know mate, thanks for the thread.
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Here's a corporate video showing high tech flywheel usage as a battery..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkQ23jmPPnA
@Ash
Hi Ash, good move.
I imagine the Generator Extraction Circuit you will be using should provide a non VAR current, I hope cause you know Hum. He will look at this with a fine tooth comb and if there are any discrepencies, we can have another round of RV blues.
So I think it is best we wait until your tests have been done and we can convene on the results before putting up the circuit as this may create undue confusion, should there have to be any mods to the circuit after your tests. Let's take this one slow and easy.
Do you know if Chas had a chance to see the designs above. I would be curious to know of his comments, especially to confirm if the original design is indicative of his true orginal design. Also, Please document the changes you made to Chas' original set-up so we can keep track here and I can make a new design.
Based on your prelimienry tests, this will give more information to consider on a potential replication or varitions thereof. But please keep the numbers this time, OU or not. Every test pushes the device to reveals its secrets. The more info on hand, the better we can decide aftewards on any next moves.
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I share Hans' opinion of the potential.
I'll keep my comments very short and try to stay out of it here for the most part.
If I see any snake-oil salesman claims of great arcing torrents of free energy based on obtuse inaccurate suspicious output peak pulse power levels into reactive loads measured with rusted fish scales, Ouija boards and pulse-clutched deProny brakes, I will probably chime in with some little tirade or two.
Please watch out for the hocus pocus time/power/energy/pulsed output vs. steady input shell game. There is plenty of opportunity to fool yourselves and "the audience" into thinking you've got OU when really you're at 53% energy efficiency.
No pretending VAR are watts and no comparing peak instantaneous output pulses against average continuous input...you know...the regular flim flam stuff.
Measure the total actual useful forward energy flow with good trustworthy instruments, correct loads and proper techniques and old Humbugger will just sit and watch.
Humbugger Out
And remember...there are prizes! Red and black stars for bad boys; gold stars for good boys! And girls, too!
Just to clarify for the board, as i don't address this user name.
The VAR and reactive power in the RV is measured and extracted using circuitry which taps the RF nodes/resonance, and or the peak sine waves through his non conventional understanding.
All explanations of this [How its done measured plus how we don't series load resonance] are in the compilations. These circuits are from TEST RESULTS which have reported extraction of resonance or RF or reactive power , the circuits tested are posted in the compilations.
The loads were batteries [resistive/mechanical] this is posted in the compilations, We already stated that the duty cycle is needed (as per Stefans advice) to Confirm the pulsed out puts and made this very clear.
so again this suspicious or un educated person, could be fooling U, besides himself.
Beware of ANY Oil men/wanna be/ unknowingly working for them/arm chair skeptics or any one in between who state the RV prony does not work based on none of their test results, or that the claim to know how the extraction process is done based on no knowledge of whats being done and no test results by them.
this person or persons are not qualified to test and or report the RV, he/she does not under stand it, nore has he/she built it and or should try. if you take this advice, do not expect any results.
or expect any sympathy from me you have been warned.
ashtweth
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Here's a corporate video showing high tech flywheel usage as a battery..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkQ23jmPPnA
@Ash
Hi Ash, good move.
I imagine the Generator Extraction Circuit you will be using should provide a non VAR current, I hope cause you know Hum. He will look at this with a fine tooth comb and if there are any discrepencies, we can have another round of RV blues.
So I think it is best we wait until your tests have been done and we can convene on the results before putting up the circuit as this may create undue confusion, should there have to be any mods to the circuit after your tests. Let's take this one slow and easy.
Do you know if Chas had a chance to see the designs above. I would be curious to know of his comments, especially to confirm if the original design is indicative of his true orginal design. Also, Please document the changes you made to Chas' original set-up so we can keep track here and I can make a new design.
Based on your prelimienry tests, this will give more information to consider on a potential replication or varitions thereof. But please keep the numbers this time, OU or not. Every test pushes the device to reveals its secrets. The more info on hand, the better we can decide aftewards on any next moves.
There will be no RV [OU] blues if you stick to the replication data i recommend,
prony, and the neon switcher and or Freq driving a PM Gen.
>So I think it is best we wait until your tests have been done and we can convene on the results before putting up the circuit as this may create undue confusion, should there have to be any mods to the circuit after your tests. Let's take this one slow and easy.
This is up to you, we have many extraction circuits already done to test, ill post the results here, and leave them till after the test.
>Do you know if Chas had a chance to see the designs above. I would be curious to know of his comments, especially to confirm if the original design is indicative of his true orginal design. Also, Please document the changes you made to Chas' original set-up so we can keep track here and I can make a new design.
Yes i have sent them to Chas and i can get this information for you on the 15th easy, maybe you can use this info, and draw a new one? then compare it with photos of his original?
"First build a flywheel that will produce at least twice as much energy as you need to drive your alternator when finished you should have trouble seeing it moving as it runs in its own space, After a few trial runs i built one by having a h-t steel shaft keeyed each end before a flange or a disc was slipped along to the center and welded the flange was then drilled and tapped to take studs, using a router i cut a circle 600mm in diameter out of custom board with a hole in the center to take the shaft this was attached to the flange using studs with washers and lock nuts the second circle had a hole in the center large enough to fit over the flange this was fitted from the other end and screwed to the first wheel by doing this i could try diffrent speeds and drives until i was satisfied i had a combination that would work with what i had which was a .075 hp single phase electric motor and a 3.5 kva alternator,The flywheel ended up being 72mm thick and 590mm in diametor i then fitted a steel band around my wheel this added more power my theory being if you create centrifugal force you can drive anything as long as the wheel keeps spinning I ended up with an alternator fitted with a 4.5inch pulley driven by a 9inch pulley the alternator speed was 3146rpm at that speed it was easy to run electrical applicances for a period now to the most important part to keep the wheel spinning"
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/res/Default/ESS_PasteBitmap0003.png
>Based on your prelimienry tests, this will give more information to consider on a potential replication or varitions thereof. But please keep the numbers this time, OU or not. Every test pushes the device to reveals its secrets. The more info on hand, the better we can decide aftewards on any next moves.
Yes of cause thanks To Stefan the numbers will be easy to confirm..
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I have read and viewed nearly everything Ashtweth's group Panacea BOCAF has published. I've been consistently disappointed by a lack of good reporting on forward energy flow. The rest of it is not coherent or meaningful to me. Possibly that is my own shortcoming; obviously I don't think so.
If other fellows really understand this stuff and find meaning, useful knowledge and substance there, more power to you all! It seems that my Earth-bound comments, my pointed questions and requests for hard data make Ashtweth and a few others feel very hostile and uncomfortable and are vehemently despised.
I intend to keep my future observations short and to the point if I offer them at all. I have a new policy on purely skeptical posts where I don't have any questions to ask. It's described below, in the signature area.
"Where reality-checks cannot be tolerated, no advance of useful knowledge occurs and charlatans eventually prevail." ~ Humbugger
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To Clarify for the Board. (and those who haven't read the compilations)
The measurement technique of the Neon switcher into charging a secondary battery (for free) and construction details is clearly presented and can be understood via conventional engineering, how ever whats going on cannot.
The measurement technique of the prony break test and construction details is clearly presented and can be understood via conventional engineering, how ever whats going on cannot.
Those that wish to replicate and confirm results are welcome.
This information is presented in the compilations and is based on replicated reports.
Our results will be added shortly.
regards
ashtweth
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I have read and viewed nearly everything Ashtweth's group has published. I've simply been disappointed by a lack of honest reporting of any real forward energy flow. The rest of it is not coherent or meaningful to me. Possibly that is my own shortcoming; obviously I don't think so.
If other fellows really understand this stuff and find meaning, useful knowledge and substance there, more power to you all! It seems that my Earth-bound hardnosed comments, my pointed questions and requests for hard data make Ashtweth and others feel very uncomfortable and are unwelcome.
I intend to keep my future observations very short and to the point if I offer them at all. Where reality-checks cannot be tolerated, no advance of useful knowledge occurs.
Humbugger
<<Hum,
Don't take it personal when some one comments on quotes. Without the refiners fire we can't saparate gold from impuritys...
You said: [I have read and viewed nearly everything Ashtweth's group has published. I've simply been disappointed by a lack of honest reporting of any real forward energy flow. The rest of it is not coherent or meaningful to me.]
I personaly and stronly feel that, you post yous comments without any hesitation what so ever and let the chips fall where they may!
This is an open form, where "all " creativity should flow without any restriction or hesitation.
"reality-checks" are like a quality controll and we can't effort not to have it!
Mem>>
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@Mem
Thanks for your kind words of courage. I am severely outnumbered but not intimidated.
Humbugger
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To Clarify for the Board. (and those who haven't read the compilations)
The measurement technique of the Neon switcher into charging a secondary battery (for free) and construction details is clearly presented and can be understood via conventional engineering, how ever whats going on cannot.
The measurement technique of the prony break test and construction details is clearly presented and can be understood via conventional engineering, how ever whats going on cannot.
Those that wish to replicate and confirm results are welcome.
This information is presented in the compilations and is based on replicated reports.
Our results will be added shortly.
regards
ashtweth
What I said stands firmly after reading again these references: "I've simply been disappointed by a lack of honest reporting of real forward energy flow." Page 30 describes how to test the neon switcher.
There is no statement there of how much energy is expected, claimed or actually delivered into the battery. This is not an adequate measurement technique for a device whose only claimed attribute is delivering energy to a battery. You are supposed to listen and observe shaft speed to see if this huge 7.5HP motor bogs down while you supply an unmeasured amount of so-called free energy to an unspecified battery.
Page 23, where a Phil Wood circuit is described and tested is no better. One sentence about testing, only one sentence: "Under test, driving a fan, the motor draws a maximum of 117W and a variable speed 600W drill was used for the DC load". Period... No statement as to how much energy was being consumed by this drill anywhere or if it was even turned on, for how long, at what speed and under what mechanical load. Zip...just the worst-case max power rating read off the nameplate.
It is exactly this kind of testing and reporting that I have consistently complained about. These are not isolated examples, this is the norm for Ashtweth's stuff and for lots of others making audacious claims. Stating the nameplate rating on a tool used as a load is not an adequate measurement technique.
Throughout the Panacea material, there is a clear and unmistakable implication if not the outright claim of overunity performance being repeatedly achieved. This is combined with a consistent lack of valid measurement technique and the absence of reported test data. What's up with that?
The "replication" spoken of in genuine scientific research involves testing to see if you can observe the same results. If no results are specificied by the original presenter, what purpose is there in replicating?
Humbugger
P.S. I am not going to make a career of blasting Ashtweth's methods here. I have said my bit and I stand on it. I hope Stefan and some of the others here will try to keep him in touch with reasonable testing and reporting methods. If I see something outrageous from now on I'll just post the terse quote and one ::)
Then only if someone inquires as to why exactly I'm rolling my eyeballs will I venture to explain. Think of the bandwidth Stefan will save!
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The VAR and reactive power in the RV is measured and extracted using circuitry which taps the RF nodes/resonance, and or the peak sine waves through his non conventional understanding. ::)
All explanations of this [How its done measured plus how we don't series load resonance] are in the compilations. These circuits are from TEST RESULTS which have reported extraction of resonance or RF or reactive power , the circuits tested are posted in the compilations. ::)
The loads were batteries [resistive/mechanical] this is posted in the compilations, We already stated that the duty cycle is needed (as per Stefans advice) to Confirm the pulsed out puts and made this very clear. ::)
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@Mem
Thanks for your kind words of courage. I am severely outnumbered but not intimidated.
Humbugger
Sorry for abandoning you
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My money is on the MIB is going to take the device on the 13th.. the initial test was that it was a bad driving motor.. and the rotoverter was coming to the rescue on the 15th
rated Watts on the sticker are the worst possible case of worn out nearly dead device, and motors it's start current needed.. they had a Watt meter on it, and clearly showed the real power in/out
I'm kinda sad that right now there are no Cambell Flywheel machines for sale on ebay right now, Guess everyone heard that their rotary UPS was overunity, and are hording them for free power :)
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Humbugger and others in this forum topic;
You are missing an important technical detail in your discussion!
Medium voltage pulsed current at approximately 2x times the voltage or above on an acid/lead storage battery causes
a process identical to *nuclear cold fusion* to occur in the battery. In a battery, this extra energy vests itself as
additional charge in the battery. Period. The actual pulse waveform is very noncritical. Very little net energy needs
to be transfered in this recharge pulse signal. This is why acid/lead storage batteries make a good transducer of static
electricity. This doesn't have anything to do with instrumentation mis-reading or mis-calculation. Cold fusion is not
accepted by many scientists because of its lack of diagnostic radiation...but that is just tough because it is still
occurring in batteries.
It is postulated that this takes place in the water (which is naturally deuturiated) in the electrolyte
of the acid/lead battery so other type batteries/capacitors may not necessarily show this same feature.
In the concentrated low impedance electrolyte of a battery my feeling is that a small amount of electrostatic
charge assists in the reaction. Most likley some trace amounts of tritium (radioactive hydrogen isotope,
half life=12yrs) remains as ash in this process and is not supressed. Actually this is the same process that
occurs in the HHO experiments and many other types which are showing net energy gain. You will notice
the similarity of an acid/lead storage battery to the Fleischman/Pons hydrolysis experiment. This is no
accident. Fleischman and Pons got it wrong because the process has nothing to do with loading of hydrogen
into a metal matrix is has to do with secondary bubble formation on the surface of metals which I call cavitation
bubbling - that is what the recharge pulse signal is controlling. I postulate that the diagnostic radiation is
being suppressed by Quantum Mechanics first principles as the vacuum bubble ordering shrinks towards
the zero point. In other words Zero Point Suppression of Radioactive Effects - ZPSRE rather than ZPE.
As far as I am concerned The conservation of matter/energy law is still in effect as I have seen nothing that
seriously that contradicts it. Many other operating overunity experiments have this mechanism at their
center either acknowledged or unacknowledged.
But then everyone already knew these things right? ::)
Mark S. Coffman
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Geez, I had prepared a post on this question but left for the office before I posted it. So here goes.
RV or not RV, drag is drag. (Taken from Shakespeares' Motorolisis.lol)
Chas Quote
I ended up with an alternator fitted with a 4.5inch pulley driven by a 9inch pulley the alternator speed was 3146 rpm at that speed it was easy to run electrical applicances for a period now to the most important part to keep the wheel spinning.
Chas unquote
Chas said it all right here. The 9 to 4.5 inch is direct to the gen. If the gen produces 1 of drag, the flywheel will feel 3 or 4 of drag. You have to come out of the flywheel pulley to a larger pulley. Look at Alternative #1 or #2. There is no other way that you will be able to beat the drag.
Also, if you read Tao's thread on BEMF or CEMF, it is clear that BEMF happens simultaneous to current application or production. When you cut the current, you produce flyback. But when you put the current back on, you still produce BEMF which is producing your drag. The best and simplest way to overcome this is by mechanical means if the flywheel is properly configured. Or figure out a way to keep the stator as an open circuit so there is never any drag (did I say that?). Actually Mark S. Coffman was on that thread also and he is now here.
Anyways, time will tell.
But come'on guys, this is not an RV punching session (or cat fight). The object of this is to get Chas' wheel working with or without RV and your dicussions are already known.
So let's keep focused on the system.
@Ash
Regarding Panacea circuits. Why don't you guys offer them for sale. I will buy one and many others would also. Alot of guys that can reproduce Chas' system know didly squat about how to make the circuit, and they are not about to start. If the circuit could be made with removable chips or tranistors or whatever, etc., these could be easilly replaced if any are blown (given Murphey's Law). Imagine in a year from now if Panacea had 50 or 100 or these circuits sold (all made the same way for constant replication results). That's 50 to 100 people that can do replications and further testing. Alot better then maybe the three or so guys that have managed to make a circuit thus far.
Also, Panacea could publish "RV for Dummies" (not for me hey). Staring you and Hum as the protagonist and antagonist writers. lol. Just jok'in.
Please keep this in mind. Not every system can benefit by RV. Maybe Chas' Flywheel needs pure brute force to push it to the revs and resonance to keep it turning against drag. Maybe the current supplied by RV is to weak. You have to keep an open mind that RV may not always be the do all end all for electric motors. Reducing current draw means you are removing the FULL FORCE of tension on the motor, and this could play against you. So then you have to play around with controlling the generator drag, controlling a clutch, and what else.
We are all in the same boat. If RV was the answer, I would be selling systems now, to an unlimited host of clients and I would be paying Panacea a royalty per unit. So please, let's keep perspective.
So the questions is, do you want to achive OU regardless, or do you want to achieve OU only with RV in all cases.
Tests should be done without and with RV to compare. Also I would recommend that the system be run for at least 30 minutes to take the drive motor temperature with and without RV, as I have seen RV method heat up the motor considerably in my tests when under load.
Chas deserves that we keep clear and objective heads to solve his system.
Best regards.
"Why is it that the most difficult force to overcome in order to reach OU... is ourselves." (a Hmmmmmmmm moment brought to you by wattsup).
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@Mark
So then all we need to do apparently is take two batteries and have them pulse one another or even a single battery with a little boost flyback circuit snapping away on itself. The circuit pulls out a certain charge, snaps it back in your special pulsing way and just sits there pumping up the energy in the battery! Take out one, put back two...forever!
Sounds like the overcharge protection circuit will be the hardest part of the design but no worries, mate. Then we just put in dead batteries and pull them out fully charged. I can design the circuitry, no problem.
But what's that got to do with a RotoVator? Certainly, if simply pulsing a battery creates excess energy then one would not need all that iron, steel and copper of the RV's heavy rotating machinery to lug around, would they? I mean that's a pretty inefficient way to get a few pulses if the real source of the excess energy is in just pulse-charging the batteries! I can do much better.
booger
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@Mem
Thanks for your kind words of courage. I am severely outnumbered but not intimidated.
Humbugger
Sorry for abandoning you
No...I meant outnumbered strictly by Ashtweth and The Compilations. Hey...good name for the next nihilistic black metal group...or are they passe now?
bugger
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@Hum
I think the parallel of what Mark is saying refers to the RV extraction circuit.
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@Hum
I think the parallel of what Mark is saying refers to the RV extraction circuit.
Do you think he's serious? If he is and you are right, which you no doubt are, my question is pertinent. Why have the RV at all?
I have something to say about BEMF too (bad evil mo fo).
BEMF, Flyback Pulse, CEMF, they are all just names we made up. The phenomena behind them all is exactly the same one. Sometimes the mag field is increasing; sometimes decreasing. Sometimes slowly; sometimes quickly. Sometimes the solenoid is open or high impedance, sometimes it's shorted or low Z.
If you really understand the stuff, you don't need to memorize each circumstance set as if it were some unique phenomena. That's where 99% of the BS mystical hoo hah comes in the doors. People don't really "get" how some things work, so they try to memorize knowledge about specific things to expect under specific circumstances and assign names to each of them. What a mess! It's much easier to actually understand what the basic relationships and phenomena are. I never liked memorizing!
humb
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@Mem
Thanks for your kind words of courage. I am severely outnumbered but not intimidated.
Humbugger
Sorry for abandoning you
No...I meant outnumbered strictly by Ashtweth and The Compilations. Hey...good name for the next nihilistic black metal group...or are they passe now?
bugger
I'm going to stick with worthless commentary til the 15th :) hope fully the guys with the watt meters come back out
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@rMuD
Worthless? Not if it gets a grin and a chuckle. I guess the appropriate time for banter is during the calm before the storm, though, eh? I'm planning on posting very few words and mostly just ::) skepto-smileys when the place gets real serious in here. Only when appropriate, of course. So far, the avoidance of reality tactics have been extremely predictable and I expect that to continue.
One of these days, someone will test everything exactly right and show actual OU energy from some contraption. Then I'll have to get a job or something.
It will be interesting to see what new tricks and techniques are used to "demonstrate and test" the ChaRV.
booger
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Geez, I had prepared a post on this question but left for the office before I posted it. So here goes.
RV or not RV, drag is drag. (Taken from Shakespeares' Motorolisis.lol)
Chas Quote
I ended up with an alternator fitted with a 4.5inch pulley driven by a 9inch pulley the alternator speed was 3146 rpm at that speed it was easy to run electrical applicances for a period now to the most important part to keep the wheel spinning.
Chas unquote
Chas said it all right here. The 9 to 4.5 inch is direct to the gen. If the gen produces 1 of drag, the flywheel will feel 3 or 4 of drag. You have to come out of the flywheel pulley to a larger pulley. Look at Alternative #1 or #2. There is no other way that you will be able to beat the drag.
Also, if you read Tao's thread on BEMF or CEMF, it is clear that BEMF happens simultaneous to current application or production. When you cut the current, you produce flyback. But when you put the current back on, you still produce BEMF which is producing your drag. The best and simplest way to overcome this is by mechanical means if the flywheel is properly configured. Or figure out a way to keep the stator as an open circuit so there is never any drag (did I say that?). Actually Mark S. Coffman was on that thread also and he is now here.
Anyways, time will tell.
But come'on guys, this is not an RV punching session (or cat fight). The object of this is to get Chas' wheel working with or without RV and your dicussions are already known.
So let's keep focused on the system.
@Ash
Regarding Panacea circuits. Why don't you guys offer them for sale. I will buy one and many others would also. Alot of guys that can reproduce Chas' system know didly squat about how to make the circuit, and they are not about to start. If the circuit could be made with removable chips or tranistors or whatever, etc., these could be easilly replaced if any are blown (given Murphey's Law). Imagine in a year from now if Panacea had 50 or 100 or these circuits sold (all made the same way for constant replication results). That's 50 to 100 people that can do replications and further testing. Alot better then maybe the three or so guys that have managed to make a circuit thus far.
Also, Panacea could publish "RV for Dummies" (not for me hey). Staring you and Hum as the protagonist and antagonist writers. lol. Just jok'in.
Please keep this in mind. Not every system can benefit by RV. Maybe Chas' Flywheel needs pure brute force to push it to the revs and resonance to keep it turning against drag. Maybe the current supplied by RV is to weak. You have to keep an open mind that RV may not always be the do all end all for electric motors. Reducing current draw means you are removing the FULL FORCE of tension on the motor, and this could play against you. So then you have to play around with controlling the generator drag, controlling a clutch, and what else.
We are all in the same boat. If RV was the answer, I would be selling systems now, to an unlimited host of clients and I would be paying Panacea a royalty per unit. So please, let's keep perspective.
So the questions is, do you want to achive OU regardless, or do you want to achieve OU only with RV in all cases.
Tests should be done without and with RV to compare. Also I would recommend that the system be run for at least 30 minutes to take the drive motor temperature with and without RV, as I have seen RV method heat up the motor considerably in my tests when under load.
Chas deserves that we keep clear and objective heads to solve his system.
Best regards.
"Why is it that the most difficult force to overcome in order to reach OU... is ourselves." (a Hmmmmmmmm moment brought to you by wattsup).
At this time there is no need to sell circuits to open source engineers, it is not where the non profit og aims to attain its revenue stream. The non profit org has 2 OU projects under way, the Neon and the d21 (meyers) replication, which we will use the RV to drive it. Yes we are interested in all devices.
If you want a Revenue raising ideas, i suggest you couple your 3HP 60 hertz RV to a water pump and show show some energy savings, it will blow any .8 HP-1HP water pump away, we are preparing a stand alone RV water pump for Farmers (all renumeration goes back into FE R and D)
Guys please stay on topic
Arm chair people who dont build the RV and VERIFY/Dis claim results can basically F##K off as far as i am concerned, i will not be wasting any more time with these type of posts.
Any one replicating and with a genuine inquiry will be answered by me an any affiliates of the non profit org i do work for.
Keep the Questions and or request simple and concise thanks.,
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@Ashtweth
Over in the old thread on the Chas gravity wheel, you requested anyone find for you the Stefan post regarding resistor loads. Here it is.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg47830.html#msg47830 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2487.msg47830.html#msg47830)
Humbugger
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This video was done by one of my engineers not related to any thing, i haven't seen it yet.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1569144092933800809
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G'day Ash,
Sorry mate, I don't seem to be able to get the link to work. Hiccup in my system or wrong URL?
Hans von Lieven
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Hi mate,
shit, i just viewed it a second ago now it seems its died in the ass and i get a blank page, do you get a blank page mate?, ill email the unloader now and check.
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Yes, something is wrong with Google Australia.
I had loaded the video earlier in a page,
but got a phone call, so I was not able to watch it.
Now was in my cache, just wanted to watch it on fullscreen.
It reloaded the page and then displayed.
Video currently not available...
Hmm...
Now I only get a blank white screen.
Anybody know, where Google video stores the video in what
directory in my PC as the cache ?
I am using the FireFox browser..
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@Stefan
Just type in the url field
"about:cache"
Find the line
browser.cache.disk.parent_directory
The value will tell you where the cache is.
Be carefull cause this is the central nervous system of firfox.
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This video was done by one of my engineers not related to any thing, i haven't seen it yet.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-1569144092933800809
So Ash,
can you please check into this again ?
There is only coming up a blank white screen.
I did not find it anymore in my cache... too bad.
Did Google Australia pull this video off again ?
Also there is no more error page coming up,
just a white page ?
Is anybody else getting something different ?
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By the Way
I have to report,that the overunity.com Page was hidden about 6 hours ago.
There was a comment saying,~~~that the replays exceed the limit from 50000 on hartiberlin~~
more or less exactely.
helmut
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Hi Stefan and all, it seems it has been removed by the user, i can attain a copy on the weekend and will look at re upping it ASAP.
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By the Way
I have to report,that the overunity.com Page was hidden about 6 hours ago.
There was a comment saying,~~~that the replays exceed the limit from 50000 on hartiberlin~~
more or less exactely.
helmut
Thanks for this report .
How long was it offline ?
I have to complain to my hoster again...
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Hi Stefan and all, it seems it has been removed by the user, i can attain a copy on the weekend and will look at re upping it ASAP.
Hmm,
who has uploaded it and why did he again remove it ?
Did he want to change the video edit again ?
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Hi Stefan, yes i heard some thing along these lines , although this was not done by us ( the upload and video) Apparently Chas was not to happy with the video, so i offered to re edit it and upload.
Sorry again for the inconvenience every one.
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By the Way
I have to report,that the overunity.com Page was hidden about 6 hours ago.
There was a comment saying,~~~that the replays exceed the limit from 50000 on hartiberlin~~
more or less exactely.
helmut
Thanks for this report .
How long was it offline ?
I have to complain to my hoster again...
at least 10 Minutes.Then i decidet to do some other Work (about 2 hours) and after that,it was working again.
helmut
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By the Way
I have to report,that the overunity.com Page was hidden about 6 hours ago.
There was a comment saying,~~~that the replays exceed the limit from 50000 on hartiberlin~~
more or less exactely.
helmut
Thanks for this report .
How long was it offline ?
I have to complain to my hoster again...
You should also change your error page, it exposes the value of the database userid, this is a security leak.
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Guys here is the written report on the fly wheel tests we did.
Ill post the video here so we can stay on topic.
Duty cycle test results. [in short good and bad]
You guys will need to make up your minds if there is still something to salvage:
In our amp meters[digital not watt hour meters] pumped into the 240volt grid, Chas's original motor pulled 6 amps The RV [I AM NEVER WRONG ABOUT THE RV SO FAR) pulled 3 amps input [as i said it would]
The video will show a watt hour and our digital amp meters test, our digital amp meters show myself pulsing out 2 saws, for 4 seconds on (put a stop watch on the video) and one second off as per Stefans request. Figures went negative [10 out 3 in ruffly], but the voltage most likely dropped.
Watch the video, a real load was pulsed and cut wood which drew around 10 amps [4 sec on and one off], RV stayed around 3 amps. How ever, as an engineer pointed out the voltage on the ALT Dropped, so would this 4 seconds of ten amps still be usable in a useful applicaiton, you guys will have to decide, we have all the details now to reproduce his system.
Watt hour meters test, show in run time after it took me along time to CHARGE up the fly wheel from the RV, that the run time tests and even pulse tests on the watt hour meters show no OU.
Total watt hour power consumed from the first tests, showed more energy to charge up the flywheel and pulse it out [total power consumed]. Check out the video. Now i am saying this as we did this on our amp meter and connected the watt hour meter, the actual watt hour meter test with out our amp meters showed similar figures of input and out put so please watch the video and make up your own mind.
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Hi Ash,
many thanks for this first report.
So where did you put the videos ?
Did you or anybody else also upload the removed video
again ?
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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Hi Stefan, my assistant is editing them now for you guys, so i don't have them :)
Should be up tonight or in the morning at the latest, Chas also explains another part of his gravity wheel on one of them, ill get the one removeduploaded also, the up loader had to change the description, so removed it ???
so 4 videos will be done.
1) duty cycle tests
2) Chas speaking a little bit about his wheel and concept
3) previous removed Chas video
4) panacea's production on the evaluation of the tests
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Many thanks Ash to you and your team and to Chas
for this big work.
Looking forward to see the new videos.
Regards, Stefan.
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@Ash
Please confirm the pulley configuration as being Chas' original as this will reveal much of what I had anticipated and also on how I can consider making such a device for testing.
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Thanks Stefan, but i feel the world should really thank you for providing all the data and support and encouragement.
@ wattsup
okay the only measurements i have on hiss original are what he has stated in the following paragraph.
First build a flywheel that will produce at least twice as much energy as you need to drive your alternator when finished you should have trouble seeing it moving as it runs in its own space, After a few trial runs i built one by having a h-t steel shaft keeyed each end before a flange or a disc was slipped along to the center and welded the flange was then drilled and tapped to take studs, using a router i cut a circle 600mm in diameter out of custom board with a hole in the center to take the shaft this was attached to the flange using studs with washers and lock nuts the second circle had a hole in the center large enough to fit over the flange this was fitted from the other end and screwed to the first wheel by doing this i could try diffrent speeds and drives until i was satisfied i had a combination that would work with what i had which was a .075 hp single phase electric motor and a 3.5 kva alternator,The flywheel ended up being 72mm thick and 590mm in diametor i then fitted a steel band around my wheel this added more power my theory being if you create centrifugal force you can drive anything as long as the wheel keeps spinning I ended up with an alternator fitted with a 4.5inch pulley driven by a 9inch pulley the alternator speed was 3146rpm at that speed it was easy to run electrical applicances for a period now to the most important part to keep the wheel spinning i wanted to build a power grid which had a single power supply to a switch that worked on a roating system to this i would have 6 identical electric motors connected they would all drive to a comon shaft in the center imagn a clock with your motors situated at 1-3-5-7-9-11 , The switch would direct power to one motor at a time with a overlap that provided power to the second before the first was switched off this means one motor is working while the others are cooling down on this drive shaft i would have a smaller flywheel to compensate the power required to drive 6 sets of belts as the motors are like the alternator they require very little power to spin Drive this shaft at approx half the speed of your motors from this shaft double your speed to your main flywheel then using pulleys as large as possible drive your alternator All you need then is a simple device that prevents your alternator producing more power then your system is capable of maintaining. I tried very hard to create enough interest in my invention to be able to fund the end product but i feel i am wasting my time so hopefully one of you good people will have more luck then me ,as for testing one of my original machines it would be a waste of time as no mater who tested it it would not satisify everybody thanks for your interest and good luck,Chas PS I would like this passed on to as many as possible.
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here it is guys,
More to come.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2908785246610384828
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here it is guys,
More to come.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2908785246610384828
Good work Ash..................
Appreciate the time put forth.
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here it is guys,
More to come.
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2908785246610384828
Hi Ash,
many thanks again for shooting this video.
Well,I have watched it now 3 or 4 times,
but there are many confusing things.
First you seem to have used different measuring devices.
On your Power-Mate meters theinout current into the RV motor
seems to be higher, around 4.2 Amps in idle mode,
where it was with the other bulkier meters
only around 2.7 ampsin idle mode.
Did you change the idle RPMs so the input current
was bigger ?
Also the pulsing of theoutput loads seems not to be:
4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, etc..
as you wanted to do.
You just made it maybe 3 to 4 seconds on and then waited much too long, until
you switched it on again..
Also using these saws as a load are very bad for measurements,
as they are drawing a very high current switchon-current.
It would really have been better, if you would just have connected an
ohmical resistive load and pulses this out at
4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, etc..
So from this video it is all too confusing and there could be nothing
said about efficiency.
Also the picture in picture meters were unreadable from the google flash video.
Too bad, you did not do a real ohmical load resistor test.
Do you have another date with Chas to do further tests ?
Maybe it would be really good, if you would take Mark
from NEC with you..
Maybe he can bring in these resistive loads, so a better
output test can be done.
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
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I have to confer with Stephan, I am a little confused.
I think you need a constant load and you should do two tests..one with a properly timed pulsed sequence..the other continuos load over say 10 minutes for both.
A couple of cheap power meters (like they use to measure you power consumption at home) would have also been useful.
Thanks for the effort its much appreciated
I do encourage you and Chas but this is a long way from what was claimed earlier this year during the TV interview.
Kind Regards
mark
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@Ash
Thanks fo rall the effort you guys put into this.
All you needed to find out what Chas' device was really doing is a few lights, put on one at a time to increase the load while doing in/out watts. I also do not get the drill thing at 4 seconds.
This was an opportunity to measure Chas' wheel under varying steady load conditions.
But for all intents and purposes, we can see it does not work to OU level, with or without RV, although the methodology seemed lax.
But I saw what I wanted to see and thanks for that.
Did you all notice how long it took for the wheel to stop once the caps were turned off? Nice action. Ah hah.
Based on what I saw on the video, Alternative #1 or #2 seems to be the move for me to consider. Question of time.
Ash, when I suggested you start selling the circuits, it was not to make any cash, but to get more guys testing RV. Anyways, thanks again for your good work.
All the best to Chas.
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Please refer to:
http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=285#285
Mr. X is an influential person in China. He and team provided seed money for Sun et al on a Pulse Motor Prototype.
Tseung: "I know that you have already provided seed money to Sun et al to develop a Pulse Motor Prototype. Do you think you might consider seed money for the Chas Campbell device also?"
Mr. X: "My Advisors and I read the overunity.com posts. It appears that the Chas Campbell Electricity Magnifier Flywheel is still in an early development stage. My Advisors could learn much more with a visit to Tsing Hua University than a trip to Australia."
Lai: "I would like to lay out the comparisons:
(1) Chas Campbell uses Flywheels instead of Cylinders. (He knows the importance of having weights at the rim to increase the centripetal force.)
(2) Chas Campbell has no auto-adjustment mechanism yet. (Adjusting the belt tension by hand is not close to auto-adjustment.)
(3) Chas Campbell has given out the exact dimensions and type of motor and alternators for others to replicate. (There will still be considerable resonance tuning. A marketable toy will be better - goal of Sun et al.)
(4) Chas Campbell has no theory to explain the source of energy yet (Tsing Hua University and Sun et al have accepted the Lee-Tseung theory).
(5) Chas Campbell has no team to back him up. (Tsing Hua University and Sun et al have access to the best experts in China including Lee and Tseung.)"
Mr. X: "In addition, I can monitor Sun et al easily. They are in China. I do not want to run the risk of the 225 HP Pulse Motor experience - the USA Government refused export of the device even though the Funder was Chinese. I do not mind funding a replication of the Chas Campbell device in China when appropriate."
Lawrence Tseung
Fear of Foreign Government Actions Leads Out non-support of the Chas Campbell device (but Leads Out seed money for Pulse Motor in China).
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@Ash
Thanks for all the effort you guys put into this.
All you needed to find out what Chas' device was really doing is a few lights, put on one at a time to increase the load while doing in/out watts. I also do not get the drill thing at 4 seconds.
This was an opportunity to measure Chas' wheel under varying steady load conditions.
But for all intents and purposes, we can see it does not work to OU level, with or without RV, although the methodology seemed lax.
But I saw what I wanted to see and thanks for that.
Did you all notice how long it took for the wheel to stop once the caps were turned off? Nice action. Ah hah.
Based on what I saw on the video, Alternative #1 or #2 seems to be the move for me to consider. Question of time.
Ash, when I suggested you start selling the circuits, it was not to make any cash, but to get more guys testing RV. Anyways, thanks again for your good work.
All the best to Chas.
I too appreciate the effort from Ash and other members of the Forum in the investigation of the Chas Campbell Device.
From my own experience, I believe some kind of tuning is required. There is very little chance that the Chas Campbell Flywheel can be equally efficient for all external loads and conditions. Unfortunately, tuning requires much playing with the device.
(Pushing a swing at the wrong time will do more harm than good.)
Lawrence Tseung
Pulse Rotation Leads Out the requirement for Tuning.
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HI Guys,
Yes i am confused too, those watt hour meters obviously show a difference in efficiency, maybe they were not calibrated like our meters were.I know our meters (the digital AMP ones) are fine as we tested a resistive load to calibrate them, lets model off them, the Watt hour meters close enough to total time?.
Okay lets get to the Q's and A's
Stefan>Did you change the idle RPMs so the input current was bigger ?
No, must be a difference in calibration Stefan ???
Mark>I think you need a constant load and you should do two tests..one with a properly timed pulsed sequence..the other continuous load over say 10 minutes for both.
Sure, engineers resisted with Panacea have provided a pulse circuit which we published, plus we got all the dimensions so ANY one can preform these tests you requested with their own replication.
We don't have any fixed resistors on us ATM but i will work at it,
Stefan>4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, 4 seconds on, 1 second off, etc..as you wanted to do.You just made it maybe 3 to 4 seconds on and then waited much too long, until you switched it on again..
Right sorry for that Stefan i was not sure of this, I guess we know in future to make sure this [Me] dumb ass knows :P like those EXACT directions ;). If Mark is all for it, i can contact Chas and arrange an appointment for the NEC, In the mean time ill do my best to get the request filled.
@ watts
right sure but a too big light will load down the system, also in that video we have 2 60 watt globes in the ALT! , maybe load them up turn them off and on for 4-1 ?
Stefan<Also using these saws as a load are very bad for measurements,as they are drawing a very high current switch on-current.
Isnt that what we want, a high extraction of current for the out put? okay, maybe i am not understanding, bottom line is this system can be replicated and tested mean time by any one as we have full disclosure, mean time ill work on finding the resistors and light loads requested, and also leave it open to mark for further investigation.
now my 2 cents
Best way to confirm is to replicate this and try it with different pule extraction circuits, you never know until you try.
@Lawrence
If i was to apply any thing towards Chas, my personal opinion is that his wheel is more promising, and i would CONSIDER applying some thing towards this replication or him finishing construction.
bottom line is if any one did, he would TELL the world how he did it, and not patent it etc.
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Hi Ash,
it would be good, if your group or Mark could
test this again with the right measurement methods,
so we are sure that the flywheel-generator setup is underunity or overunity.
It does not make much sense, when indeed it will
come out to be underunity and some people put lots of money
into replication and then they also only get underunity.
So it would be best, if your group or Mark with NEC would
do the required tests, so we can finally have an answer,
if this is a road to go further into or look elsewhere.
Are you going again to Chas?s place to do more tests
or is there no apointment yet ?
When do you expect to have the other 3 videos online ?
Many thanks again.
Regards, Stefan.
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HI Stefan, your right as always, i feel we need a research and development center and thats what the non profit org is attempting to do as you know.
Okay , no not yet i can make an appointment as soon as Mark wishes if he wants, Chas is alway open to letting us sniff around, and use it as an R and D tool. Soon as i get the resistors ill make one.
Okay there is only two video's left, one is the technical one which doesn't show any measurements, and the other is the panacea production evaluation based on what we have seen so far. We still need to heavily edit these so maybe by next week :-\, we need 78 hours in the day as yo know ;D
mean time if Mark wishes to bring in any equipment i can speak to Chas,
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@Ash
Some constructive critisism (hopefully). lol
To much of the flywheel video was looking at the ground, someones ass, feet, the cap box, but none was concentrated on the flywheel itself. It would be good to see the flywheel turning with 0 load on the Alt, from all angles in order to get an idea on the actual movement, since beyond all the RVing possible, the movement itself is the main source of any potential OU.
Without RV, (V/A = volts/amps)
- measure V/A of the drive motor only at no load (no pulley strap),
- then add the pulley strap to the drive but remove the pulley strap from the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add the pulley strap to the alt but with no load - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add a small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- repeat this until the drive stops.
This chart of results will be very revealing for the movement potential of Chas' design.
You can then do the same (exact) load additions with the RV and make a second chart for comparison.
In both cases, if it is possible to video the flywheel as the load is being added, to see the effect of the load on the wheel, this would be extremely good to see, especially when reviewing the video afterwards in slow motion.
This is the only way to really understand what's happening and where there is weakness in Chas' design.
All the best.
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Quoted from http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=288#288
Let us talk more about the rotational speed of the Pulse Motor
(1) Assume that the gained energy can be stored in the rotating cylinder. See the explanation in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotational energy
I = moment of inertia
w = angular velocity
v = Linear velocity of the Rolling Cylinder
Mc = Mass of Cylinder
Energy of a rotating cylinder = 1/2 x I x w x w
= Translational energy = 1/2 x Mc x v x v
(2) If the Pulse Energy and the Lead Out Gravitational Energy were added to the rotating cylinder, it would rotate faster. One of the most important factors determining how much Gravitational Energy can be Lead Out is the rotational speed.
(3) We can assume that at equilibrium, some of the Output Energy is fed back to supply the Pulse. The remaining will be used to overcome friction and do useful work. In that case, the rotational speed of the Cylinder should be constant.
(4) If the external Load increases, the Pulse Rate or similar should increase to Lead Out additional Gravitational Energy. If that is not done, energy will be drained from the rotating cylinder and the rotational speed will decrease. The decrease will further reduce the Lead Out Energy. If this is not taken care of, the system will quickly slow down.
(5) If the external Load decreases, the Pulse Rate or similar should decrease to Lead Out less Gravitational Energy. If that is not done, energy will accumulate and the rotational speed of the cylinder will increase. This increase will further increase the Lead Out Energy. If this is not taken care of, the system will rotate faster and resonate itself to destruction.
Most Over Unity Developers do not understand (4) and (5). They might hit on the resonance conditions by luck and might even observe Over Unity for a short period under certain conditions. However, they could play with the invention for years without making it Over Unity for a workable range. Thus programs or mechanisms to cater for (4) and (5) must be in place.
It appears to me that the Chas Campbell Flywheel has not catered for (4) and (5). Much more work is required.
Lawrence Tseung
Energy Consideration of Pulsed Rotation Leads Out programs or mechanisms to adjust the rotational speed.
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(5) If the external Load decreases, the Pulse Rate or similar should decrease to Lead Out less Gravitational Energy. If that is not done, energy will accumulate and the rotational speed of the cylinder will increase. This increase will further increase the Lead Out Energy. If this is not taken care of, the system will rotate faster and resonate itself to destruction.
So you are saying that under your theory, the device should have resonated itself to destruction (or at least resonated faster)? Because that clearly did not happen.
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Dear shruggedatlas,
The overunity forum gave error message of ...exceeding limits (50000) frequently.
I am posting the reply to you in:
http://forum.go-here.nl/viewtopic.php?p=289#289
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
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@Ash
Some constructive critisism (hopefully). lol
To much of the flywheel video was looking at the ground, someones ass, feet, the cap box, but none was concentrated on the flywheel itself. It would be good to see the flywheel turning with 0 load on the Alt, from all angles in order to get an idea on the actual movement, since beyond all the RVing possible, the movement itself is the main source of any potential OU.
Without RV, (V/A = volts/amps)
- measure V/A of the drive motor only at no load (no pulley strap),
- then add the pulley strap to the drive but remove the pulley strap from the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add the pulley strap to the alt but with no load - Measure V/A of the drive
- then add a small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- then add another small load to the Alt - Measure V/A of the drive and the Alt
- repeat this until the drive stops.
This chart of results will be very revealing for the movement potential of Chas' design.
You can then do the same (exact) load additions with the RV and make a second chart for comparison.
In both cases, if it is possible to video the flywheel as the load is being added, to see the effect of the load on the wheel, this would be extremely good to see, especially when reviewing the video afterwards in slow motion.
This is the only way to really understand what's happening and where there is weakness in Chas' design.
All the best.
Watts the video was supposed to be on the meters nothing else, the fly wheel is spinning to fast to note any change unless you have super vision, it spins very fast and when the ALT bogs down. No change can be visable, plus it wobbles allot.
Chas's drive motor takes 800 watts to free wheel
it took 6 amps by our meter to turn with the system
the RV too 3 amps with our amp meter.
Those small loads could be interesting ill keep them in mind and as soon as we get some time ill try my best to honor your request, we are concentrating on the water fuel cell now, so if any body want to try a mini version of Chas's set up be my guest, it isn't as easy to go over there takes time.
Chas stated that the Raito's and size are not critical in his design ;)
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Hi Ash,
Thanks for the offer to talk to Chas about having a visit. I am tied up for the next couple of weeks as I have to go overseas. I also feel its a little early to come up as it would give Chas and you a little more time to sort out the technology. latter in October would suit me.
I feel you need to simply measure power in and power out ...both under load and not under load.
Good luck
Mark
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@Ash,
I have done a spreadsheet on Pulse Motor using the known or estimated value of the Dr. Liang Xingren Car as an example. See
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg50728.html#msg50728
I personally feel that the calculation may be applicable to the Chas Campbell Flywheel. Theoretically, the Chas Campbell Flywheel is possible as an Electricity Magnifer device.
The spreadsheet is attached for your pleasure.
Hope that information helps.
Lawrence Tseung
Pulse Rotation Leads Out more calculation or estimations.
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This device is a Mechanical Battery, long time proven that a flywheel can store mechanical energy for the use of running a generator with excess load, or loss of input power.. commonly used technology made by many manufacturers and in production use today
With this fact, I think you need to measure this device more like you are measuring the capacity of a battery
also I would try to get a motor and a generator that use the same rpm, and do a direct drive motor - centrifugal force clutch (go-kart) - Generator so there is no mechanical loss in the pulleys
As far as the rotoverter goes, I would do some research on "Rotary Transformers" a device used to run 3-phase equipment on single phase power... it's a 3-phase motor, that you use capacitors to help generate the 3rd leg. Very similar to a rotoverter... there is math out there for the capacitance needed for load, and efficiencies.. as well as info about what type of motor should be used.. primarily a non-energy efficient motor is best for this application because of damage to the motor under load
I had the math and a good schematic for a 30HP version to generate 25KVA worth of 3-phase 208 from single phase 240.. but I can't find it now.. I have the rotary transformer built and works... just not the schematics anymore :(
gotta run, out of town working this week
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Dear Ash et al,
I have completed my preliminary evaluation of the Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator.
The attached file (campbell1-5A.doc) focused only on that device.
Your comments are welcome.
Edited to address the comments from Hans.
Lawrence Tseung
Treating the Chas Campbell invention as a Pulse Motor Leads Out clarity of thought.
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G'day Lawrence and all
Quote:
Calculation based on Chas Campbell Flywheel
Mass in Kg 12
Radius in Meters 0.3
Rate of revolution in RPM 1573
Effective rolling velocity in meters/second of Cylinder v = 2*pi* r * RPM/60
49.417368
Stored Energy of Cylinder = 1/2 * m * v * v in Newton-meter (joule)
14652.45756
"Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power in Newton-meter/second (watt)"
4884.15252 if x = 3
Assume 745.7 watts = 1 horse power
The Chas Campbell Flywheel Horse Power
6.5
Doesn't that say it all (bold and in red). The "Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied" bit is the bit I am referring to. Why would we make such assumption?
Hans von Lieven
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Hi Mark Hans Lawrence and all,
Okay these docs are VERY helpful and useful as we have the lab model there, not a problem Mark and Lawrence, ill take some more instrumentation there, weight etc, we expect to get full university support with our water fuel cell replicaiton so i will have access to better equipment and can try those ratio's.
Its like you guys are a virtual R and D center already, all as we need now is the land mark and grants to put this stuff into play, i have know this for years, So does Stefan, he has created 7000 of you here.
main thing is your attitudes remain consistent and this is a great vibe to be around guys, keep up the good work. i give you my word panacea will get you an R and D center and avoid all this in the future.
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This device is a Mechanical Battery, long time proven that a flywheel can store mechanical energy for the use of running a generator with excess load, or loss of input power.. commonly used technology made by many manufacturers and in production use today
With this fact, I think you need to measure this device more like you are measuring the capacity of a battery
also I would try to get a motor and a generator that use the same rpm, and do a direct drive motor - centrifugal force clutch (go-kart) - Generator so there is no mechanical loss in the pulleys
As far as the rotoverter goes, I would do some research on "Rotary Transformers" a device used to run 3-phase equipment on single phase power... it's a 3-phase motor, that you use capacitors to help generate the 3rd leg. Very similar to a rotoverter... there is math out there for the capacitance needed for load, and efficiencies.. as well as info about what type of motor should be used.. primarily a non-energy efficient motor is best for this application because of damage to the motor under load
I had the math and a good schematic for a 30HP version to generate 25KVA worth of 3-phase 208 from single phase 240.. but I can't find it now.. I have the rotary transformer built and works... just not the schematics anymore :(
gotta run, out of town working this week
Hi rMuD
the RV is different as it tunning by pulse width and impedance matching via the re wiring/ Run cap and Freq, its not like the common add a phase this is stated in the compilations ;).
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"Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power in Newton-meter/second (watt)"
4884.15252 if x = 3
Assume 745.7 watts = 1 horse power
The Chas Campbell Flywheel Horse Power
6.5
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Doesn't that say it all (bold and in red). The "Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied" bit is the bit I am referring to. Why would we make such assumption?
Hans von Lieven
Dear Hans,
Thank you for raising the concern or assumption of high energy drain or supply at high rotational rates. I edited Campbell1-5A.doc to include the explanation. You may need to re-download it. Please keep doing raising your concerns because I do not know the level of expertise in this Open Forum. Some points obvious to me and to the professors at top Universities may not be obvious to this general audience.
You have provided many good posts. I do appreciate your contribution. I even quoted your figure as Figure 8.1.
I shall quote the highlights that address the red text here:
*** Note: The Lead-Out is best at high rotational speed. The Lead-Out energy at low speed is very low. Thus in the Liang motor, a separate starting motor is used to get the Cylinder to the designed speed of 4500 rpm. (Experiments showed that without the Starting Motor, the IC pulses just could not start the rotation!)
The Equilibrium Rotational Rate can be maintained with just a small percentage of ICs taking part in the Pulse. For example, there are 800 IC pairs. The number of IC interactions required to maintain equilibrium rotational speed at no external load may be 50. (Another way of maintaining the equilibrium rotational speed may be to have 100 ICs Pulsing at half the previous rate). When the external load increases, the program can pulse up to an additional 750 pairs to increase the Pulse Force. That could keep the cylinder to rotate at approximately the same speed or even higher.
The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
Energy Lead Out at high Pulse or Rotational Rates is very different from what we experience in our daily lives.
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Some more comparisons - already in the new Campbell5-1B.doc.
** If we compare the Chas Campbell Flywheel Generator with the 225 HP Pulse Motor, the following points should be noted:
(1) One slice of the 225 HP Pulse Motor has eight Drive Coils that can also act as Pickup Coils.
(2) The Program can change the amount of current to the Drive Coils; the number of Drive or Pickup Coils in the interaction
(3) The Magnetic Field from the Drive Coils already increases the effective Gravitational Constant G. Thus tilting the axle will not lower the Lead Out Energy significantly.
(4) Another Ring with a Magnet rotating could produce the Flying Saucer Effect. Thus this is worth much more research.
(5) Many slices can be put together (9 in the video shown).
Lawrence Tseung
Programs to modify the Pulsing Input Leads Out the desired Output.
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here nice video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1539570760730776284&hl=en
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Thanks for the link that is a very interesting concept
Jason
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G'day Lawrence and all,
Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power in Newton-meter/second (watt)"
4884.15252 if x = 3
and
The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
What data lead to this rather wild speculation? What kind of energy are you talking about and how do you arrive at the formula?
Hans von Lieven
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G'day Lawrence and all,
Assume that such energy can be drained or supplied within x sec, power in Newton-meter/second (watt)"
4884.15252 if x = 3
and
The Energy drained or supplied at such high rotational rates is very different from what is experienced in daily life.
Regards,
Lawrence Tseung
What data lead to this rather wild speculation? What kind of energy are you talking about and how do you arrive at the formula?
Hans von Lieven
Please see
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2794.msg51264.html#msg51264
for my reply. I would like this thread to focus more on Chas Campbell flywheel discussions.
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UPDATED-Typos and grammar is being fixed, Lawrence's info has been added to the Panacea page on Chas, also we will look at time for testing Lawrence Tseung's suggestions and data and report back for te board.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/ChasCampbell.htm
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Take some medication, and or a bullet.
@ Lawrence
some one just sent me this,
"Chas link in Panacea to the Lawrence Tseung document on Chas Campbell gravity wheel .... On page 25 on figure 7.1 the diagram has the small wheel in the center only a 1/4 of the circumference of the larger wheel. On the Chas wheel video he says to make it 1/2 the circumference so I just wanted to point that out"
regards
ashtweth
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Page is still being fixed and updated.
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here nice video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1539570760730776284&hl=en
The new gravity engine from Chas is really amazing, the idea of this device is so simple. I like it
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here nice video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1539570760730776284&hl=en
The new gravity engine from Chas is really amazing, the idea of this device is so simple. I like it
You realize it cannot work, right? It is no different fundamentally than the thousands of failed gravity wheel designs we have already seen. It is just a play on mechanical advantage (specifically, leverage), which we know produces no excess energy.
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?They? also ?Knew? heaver then air machine could not fly. You should use the proper term instead of ?we?. Because some of us do not ?Know? it can not work. ?you? can think it does not work. That does not mean it can?t.
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I don't think shruggedatlas was saying what you think she was saying. I believe she was commenting on this specific design and approach and saying it won't work, as have all of the other attempts by many, including me. This is far different from saying that no one will ever succeed at any working design. (Just not this one)
She can speak for herself but I took it as a commentary on this specific approach. Just my 2.00001 cents.
Bill
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From the Lawrence Tseung thread...regarding Charles Campbell and new reports by Patrick Kelly of Ashtweth's Panacea University...
Participating in the AERO competition
I have discussion with Mr. Tseung on possibly participating in the AERO competition. The products that are already supported by the Chinese government (Wang, Liang, Tsing Hua, Chao etc.) will need government approval.
from Patrick Kelly
The ready-made product is the Chas Campbell electricity magnifier. Just a brief note
to let you know that in the last two or three days, Chas has confirmed the excess energy in his system by letting it get up to speed and then disconnecting the motor from the mains and plugging it into the output generator, making it self-powered.
He says that the speed maintains perfectly well and he has put a 75-watt lamp on it as an extra load. This is COP = infinity as the user's input power is zero while the output power is either 75 watts or 825 watts depending on how you view it.
We may be able to work with Chas Campbell, Gaby, Ash, Kelly and others to produce a prototype that can meet the requirement of the AERO competition.
It should be fun! US$ 200K plus USD $5million for the next two years is incentive enough for me. 8) ;D ;) :)
Forever Yuen
Interesting that $5,200,000 US isn't enough to get Patrick Kelly, Ashtweth, Gaby and Charles to even respond to your suggestion! Could it be that the "news" of Charles Campbell now having a self-running machine that produces excess power is another big fat delusion?
If there were any substance to this third-hand report, one might think it would raise a response or two! Where is the excitement? The hoopla? Better yet...where are the corroborating reports and videos?
This sounds like a good time for Mark Dansie to visit Charles and check it out, maybe. Or has everyone lost all belief in the non-credible claims and fourth-party reports of this motley crew?
Linda
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Stll witing for the invite ...so how is it going Ash?
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@mscoffman
Thank you also for your kind information and also welcome to the overunity.com forum.
As you can tell, we are a bunch of die-hards, often stubborn and mostly enthusiastic in the endeavors for free energy systems.
Wattsup,
Good to see this little diversion, it raises a number of points that are related. First, as you are
probably aware, Harold Aspden considers the flywheel to be an Aether device, from his experiment
where the the flywheel takes less energy to spin up the second time (if done within a few minutes)
Second, the HV coil in itself is a more efficient generating coil than a HC coil. If you remember I
demonstrated this in one of my earlier tests on this list where discounting the total drive watts the
additional energy required was less than the output from the HV coil. (126% HV efficient?)
Keep in mind though that the shorted HV coil is not comparable to the shorted HC coil. The current
flow through the HV coil is severely restricted by the coils already high resistance, so additional
load such as light bulbs will not be necessarily be indicative or productive.
Ron
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Has anybody tried this out yet?
It sure looks interesting.
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@fatbird
Yes it does not work, never did. There were several attempts to validate it , like all other ou devices to date it did not work.
have a nice day
Heard anything from Mylow recently?
Mark
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Notice the similarity of those belts to the primary belt in a Van De Graf static generator.
:S:MarkCoffman
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Has anybody tried this out yet?
It sure looks interesting.
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I believe that I finally found the secret. Read
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/2220 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/2220)
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I think the secret is in the size difference of the two. The generator must be 3 times or more larger than the motor and the generator must operate below its core saturation while the motor operate at near saturation.
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I think the secret is in the size difference of the two. The generator must be 3 times or more larger than the motor and the generator must operate below its core saturation while the motor operate at near saturation.
It still wont work, sad but true.
Your dealing with systems that have a loss. Two x loss do not make a gain
Kind Regards
Mark
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I think the secret is in the size difference of the two. The generator must be 3 times or more larger than the motor and the generator must operate below its core saturation while the motor operate at near saturation.
I recall something about the importance of belts being loose, and causing impacts - banging about. Reminiscent of tapping a spanner with a hammer to loosen an impossibly tight nut.
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I recall something about the importance of belts being loose, and causing impacts - banging about. Reminiscent of tapping a spanner with a hammer to loosen an impossibly tight nut.
The secret is to use Unbalanced Wheels or Cylinders similar to the Tsinghua University Energy Multiplier.
Read the attached document and to the Milkovic 2SO thread.
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This is for that prophet, as persistent as some apparently do not like, as it appears his threads are gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLLnUOPOQk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTLLnUOPOQk)
peace love light
and another
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98aiISB2DNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98aiISB2DNw)
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Top Secret of the Flywheel - Calculate your Free Energy generator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2_7TUPX1ek
https://freesystemsenergy.blogspot.com/2018/08/flywheel-calculate-your-free-energy.html
In this material there is no disclosure of the calculation code in English. This calculation is made for those who are looking for a mechanism for the construction of their power plant without fuel. The calculation is based on well-known postulates in physics. At the base, the point at which the flywheel can perform kinetic vibrations is calculated by storing a pulse with a plus sign. The principle is very simple. The code opens in my book "The Mystery of the Flywheel" or "How to Build a Generator, Free
energy ". Only Russian version. Unfortunately, the English language is not yet translated. Sincerely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjWGoea3okU
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Ok, I am starting this new thread to get away from the Chas Campbell Perpetual Motion Wheel cause there is just too much clutter and blah blah.
I put this in the RV section because there is no section on the board dealing with no-name brand non-RV motor generators, at least I could not find one.
I have also removed the prevous text below figuring those that needed to read it have done so. there is no point to leave it continuously.
I am putting the original design of Chas' Flywheel Generator (CFG) below and will add any pretinent build information here as it is identified.
I know that the original post is 11 years old - from 2007, but I modifyed the initial design with a simpler version, that also doesn't work as intended - LOL ;D
If you translate all the gear ratios (well belts), you end up with this design. Will it work? No, but better than the original one.
Vidar
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If the flywheel is the secret, you don't need the motor.
Since a flywheel isn't over unity, then you don't need that one.
If the generator has nothing to run it, you don't need the generator.
So you end up with this design...
Vidar
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Not everything is prosaic: the "effect" is that the kinetic energy of the rotating mass of matter has a quadratic dependence on the velocity and, consequently, on the radius. An increase in the rotation speed by a factor of 3 leads to an increase in the kinetic energy due to the factor 9 "
you need to know exactly what to connect with. You think too much of energy, but the flywheel is Kinetic Energy. In addition, he has many other properties about which you just do not guess, but they are all known about and described in textbooks.
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I know that the original post is 11 years old - from 2007, but I modifyed the initial design with a simpler version, that also doesn't work as intended - LOL ;D
If you translate all the gear ratios (well belts), you end up with this design. Will it work? No, but better than the original one.
Vidar
Look at this video it will be interesting to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBgFq-19TDk
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hmm it does seem silly, but let me know if it works !!. because it would just be evidence of an engineer accidently cocking up and making a cop+1 motor or gen
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in my experience and youtube videos ;-). i find it best too weld together, 2 independant working free energy machines, and include my deepest sarcasm.. but it does work.
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The engine shown in the video can not be - the output is more than one.
The whole effect in the overclocked mass. Only for a system on one shaft, I'm not sure that these flywheels are completely suitable.
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Hi there,
I have read with interest this 12 year post as a flywheel system is something I am ready to look into as an 'open system' researcher based in the UK. From what I can see various replication attempts at Chas Campbells original device have failed to reproduce what he says it did. I don't know how much attention has been paid to the apparently necessary pulsing of the flywheel, by electronic or loose belt methods which, it is suggested, Lead Out gravitational energy, but has any one been able to communicate with Campbell himself to discuss why replication has not been successful?
I was looking at one video from 2012 by Sohail Anjum (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98aiISB2DNw) who 'demonstrates' success - has he been able to share any useful info?
Incidentally, one of my latest projects was an attempt at a small scale replication of the William Skinner Gravity Power device. I did not get a CoP>1 but there may be a good reason for that on a small scale. Anyone interested can see my 4 pager report (attached) and a video at my Dropbox at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bws0akodif0dkep/AAAozinnUABXKk6hfIdN6zVZa?dl=0
Regards,
Julian
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There was a man here by the name of libra_spirit, he made a good post.
But please approach this as a high gain, low probability time investment and dont design your life around this working.
Now Rakarsky has some good documents, matbe he can send them to you for free.
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Thanks ToolofCortex.
Jules
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Please try the idea of a hidden eccentric, thus allowing pulley tension to be varied.
A motor with a solid connection to a flywheel (input accumulator), an intermediate wheel with shifting that is constantly disconnecting and reconnecting, and a final grand wheel, with possible gearing for this particular wheel.
Perhaps you can make a squeeze wheel underneath, that bounces on the pulley and acts as a limit.
You could possible make this symetric or phase controlled almost, and double your input with a second motor, to "pulse on a pulse". Perhas even magnets in a bedini-esque fasion.
But magnets suck compared to flywheels. Flywheels are like the perfect pulse device, they have absolutely "zero output impedance" , not even .1 ohms like batteries.
Anyways, play with such things. Plan ahead, be flexible. Use telemetry, sensors, encoders, know the timing diagram of it, that way you can be creative.
You are building a test bench, you are not replicating a "insert name" device.
Good luck.
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“Lead Out” is not really a thing...
Its’ just a coin-term invented by Tseung to promote his
b.s. theories.
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Yeah let him experiment and spend his money.
Hes motivated.
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Please try the idea of a hidden eccentric, thus allowing pulley tension to be varied.
A motor with a solid connection to a flywheel (input accumulator), an intermediate wheel with shifting that is constantly disconnecting and reconnecting, and a final grand wheel, with possible gearing for this particular wheel.
Perhaps you can make a squeeze wheel underneath, that bounces on the pulley and acts as a limit.
You could possible make this symetric or phase controlled almost, and double your input with a second motor, to "pulse on a pulse". Perhas even magnets in a bedini-esque fasion.
But magnets suck compared to flywheels. Flywheels are like the perfect pulse device, they have absolutely "zero output impedance" , not even .1 ohms like batteries.
Anyways, play with such things. Plan ahead, be flexible. Use telemetry, sensors, encoders, know the timing diagram of it, that way you can be creative.
You are building a test bench, you are not replicating a "insert name" device.
Good luck.
Hi again,
Your suggestions are very specific which gives me the impression that you have yourself developed or contemplated some flywheel generator designs, that presumably were found wanting?
My approach, as with my build of a solid state pulsed induction ‘Bediniesque’ system (see my report and files at: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cwlace7c8hi6hxn/AACQkxPpZlc3SK3dd2Me5piba?dl=0) is to do a thorough review of all the literature to get some sort of theory of how the device might work, or at least some theoretical proposition to test, and then build a design in Fusion360 CAD as this clarifies the practical logistics.
In a real way the actual build is the final stage and sits on top of a lot of soul searching and questioning to justify the expense and garner the motivation to pursue the project to completion.
On the theory and design side I have written to libra_spirit and am awaiting a reply and also chased up Rakarskiy and found he has produced a book looking at a range of OU devices. What I am not sure yet is if he has simply observed freely available video and other material on each of them and then tried to reverse engineer the specifics or if he has been in actual communication with some or all of them and then written up actual construction details supplied by the developers. The former is more opinions and informed guesswork while the latter is more useful and fact based. I aim to write to him to clarify but he also seems to have built a few devices according to his videos.
So I need to collate all the info from different sources, including members here if they have something useful, and start to coalesce something specific. I’m happy to share such growing ideas on the forum and indeed the whole process.
My ultimate aim is to find a system that has a CoP>4 and which can be readily replicated, write it up thoroughly and scientifically and make if freely available to all and anyone who is open to such info. In my retired status I don’t wish or need to make money from anything and besides the world desperately needs this sort of information and small communities such as where I live would welcome options to get off grid and be a lot greener.
Jules
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;)
Middle photo shows eccentric " bouncing " intermediate drive with " pendulum " actuator. Pendulum weight is not fitted in the photo.
Cheers Graham.
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Oh....
And before you ask, I went solar the following year.... never looked back!!
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Well in the best of worlds, with a 20,000$ budget, I would build a better testbench.
You have no wheel at the beginning and your intermediate wheel is not how I would like it.
Somebody made an analysis of the Chas video and it does not look at all like yours.
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Dont get discouraged, learn to become a good builder and maybe this can be cheaper than you think.
My way of looking at what I would like to achieve, is kinda like Chas to be honest, some floating limit, and a shifting eccentric mass, if not 2, wich is adjustable.
On the main wheel you should be "oscilalting the energy".
Theres is 2 or 3 good videos out there.
One of these videos is from the front, and it starts with
"Keep talking"...bla bla...
Anyways, the amount of energy that was displayed and the fact that the wheel was still spinning and if all was as said and self looped it was proof of OU.
IF there was no trickery involved, as in hidden wire, it was OU. It really boils down to, do we trust this video was unaltered and as claimed?
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I wanna say something also.
That anjum video has the whole build on a pallet... What ever happened to this guy? He is acting like the typical "fraud diode" where he will only answer via pm.
You have to expect a fraud before real OU, if its on a pallet. These people from poor countries can sometimes do bad things you know...
I would have liked, very much, for him to show without doubt and lift it.
What it boils down to , basically, do you have the calling to be a mad scientist or are you just another pu***?
I think I gave you some good tips, its up to you.
But you know, there is not much you can do really, what effect can you have? What other techniques are offered to you on how to make a powerful pulse or jerk?
Any modifications on the motor, capacitors? I doubt their power honestly.
Be the mad scientist, go where no man has gone before!
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Rakarskiy, I just saw you lurking ;D what are the best techniques to pulsing a mass.
What are the options?
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Rakarskiy, I just saw you lurking ;D what are the best techniques to pulsing a mass.
What are the options?
Working with a kinetic pulse does not mean that a traditional synchronous generator will accept it. The flywheel is first and foremost, the drive of the kinetic potential, to release a mechanical force. The eccentrics work in terms of moving the lever points, but in any case any constant load will bring the system into equilibrium. The work of such systems is based on balancing between equilibrium and asymmetry of forces in the system. In addition, it is necessary to link the kinetic and electrical circuits into a single mechanism. If you need this book give me your address and I'll send it to you. Maybe this will help you. or cool naive fervor with the thought of the simplicity of the system.
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Just go take apart an old arcades worth of ski ball machines
Build a frame and rails and make a you tube video
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I think Jules here wants to serious about it.
Let him go 100%, stop discouraging him from the sidelines.
Jules, if it works you can PM me.
I will buy one from you.
Nobody here will ever lift a finger for you, you know this.
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Ahhhh it seems our friend Jules is aready discouraged.
You could have rules the world, now you're just a peasant.
You could have also been a peasant who is poorer.
Tough call, tough call.