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4Tesla

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #825 on: July 30, 2008, 11:15:24 PM »
How many times is this going to be scrapped up off of the basement floor?

I don't want to be a pessimist or anything, but really, why is there any rhyme or reason to believe that pulsed (essentially AC) electricity will somehow fracture water molecules any better than regular DC. There is no electrical resonant frequency of water to be found. It physically does not exist.

H2O doesn't even vibrate in any electrical fashion, let alone has the capacity to hold resonant energy. The simple reaction occurring during electrolysis is merely extra electrons being transfered to form gaseous Hydrogen and Oxygen (diagrammed below):
H20 + e- -> H2 + O2

The reason there is less energy use is because of the minute gap between the electrodes. The smaller the gap, the less distance the electrons and ions have to move to form new molecules.

The reason the water heats up is because when the water molecules fall apart when extra electrons are supplied, the various atoms must migrate through the water itself to the various electrodes, where it finally forms the gaseous form. As these particles move, they bump into other molecules and atoms, and add entropy (in the form of heat) to the system. This is INEVITABLE and ALWAYS occurs no matter what kind of frequency is used. The less gap, the less chance for the particles to bump into each other, therefore creating less heat, but heat will ALWAYS be produced.

Therefore electrolysis can NEVER under ANY type of circumstance be more than 99% efficient.

Stanley Meyers had a flawed understanding of the process of electrolysis, and his theory was debunked by the patent office.

Electrolysis does not magically break apart water molecules wherever they stand. The particles must move extensively, and whilst doing so they always add entropy to the system.



I'm begging everyone who reads this: PLEASE learn the rudimentary science before running off go blindly believe somebody. Most, if not all, of the theories here are flawed in some basic way (it goes without saying that the laws of thermodynamics are excluded from this, as every theory violates this).


Enough of Stanley Meyers. He was a fraud. His theory was flawed. He was weighed, measured, and found guilty. What does it take to get people to realize that water is NOT an energy source. At most its an inefficient energy carrier.

Hydrogen is only the future of MOVING energy, NOT making it. Please people, understand this!

I believe the resonant frequency changes as the amount of mass changes.. so the resonant frequency would be slightly different for 1 litter of water vs 2 liters of water.  HHO is real and easy to make.. the problem is that it doesn't have a powerful enough explosion to run a 4 cycle engine.  I believe that a 2 cycle engine might work or this engine http://www.haw-system.jp/English/indexE.html would work.

If you don't believe in resonant frequencies.. check out some of Tesla's work!

Jason

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #826 on: July 30, 2008, 11:55:00 PM »
I believe each atomic structure has a resonant frequency, a molecule also would have a resonant frequency. I don't know how you can say that HHO does not have enough energy to power a 4 cycle engine. HHO has almost 3 times the amount of energy per weight of Octane......
As far as Dyamios comments, they are not even worth to argue!

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #827 on: July 31, 2008, 12:28:08 AM »
hello fellows. i am new to the block from norway, old sivilengineer i electronics and physics before i jumped the boat over to daoism and acupuncture and tcm stuff, also indepth understandg in ozone generation and treatment. anyhow i am now into overveiw and study periode here now, have followed t.beardens work over the last decade.
I had an idea as i envisioned my unit in my head one night: to make this unit more compact and still remain the same characteristics, how would it work to make instead of two concentric pipes... then instead make it with three concentric pipes, anode or chatode in the middle one. i have a theory but depending how i puls it alternating or not.  how do you think that would actually behave teoretically. any brave comments  ::)

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #828 on: July 31, 2008, 12:40:47 AM »
Something like this?

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7861/stephenmeyerscellxz8.jpg)

4Tesla

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #829 on: July 31, 2008, 12:42:38 AM »
I believe each atomic structure has a resonant frequency, a molecule also would have a resonant frequency. I don't know how you can say that HHO does not have enough energy to power a 4 cycle engine. HHO has almost 3 times the amount of energy per weight of Octane......
As far as Dyamios comments, they are not even worth to argue!

I only say it can't power a 4 cycle as I haven't seen anyone able to get one to run on pure HHO.. if you have info on a 4 cycle engine running on pure HHO.. please provide a link.. thanks!

Edit:  HHO produces more heat.. that is a form of energy.. I'm talking about exploding HHO to push the piston through the full cycle.

Jason

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #830 on: July 31, 2008, 12:44:02 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKmB6-wZSh8

Hey look! he has some orange gunk in his cell! He must not have conditioned it enough. LOL.

4Tesla

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #831 on: July 31, 2008, 12:50:09 AM »
Hehe.. I haven't seen that video before.

Jason

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #832 on: July 31, 2008, 12:59:54 AM »
Something like this?

(http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7861/stephenmeyerscellxz8.jpg)

yes the mechanical setup excactly, even with more sets of tubes. your voltage coupling i am not so sure of. could it be that you can keep the original settings only changing the values of the bifilar and such, i have to look into it, but the thing is that in principle i dont see any problem. and it would save space coniderably. savin one extra tube per surface reaction. what you think..

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #833 on: July 31, 2008, 01:09:40 AM »
The picture I posted is from Stephen Meyer's patent. He is Stan's twin brother, still alive and living a few miles from me. I say go for it! If you think you can get it to work the way you like, then, I don't see any reason why you can't. I'm sure you will have to do some trial and error, but, isn't everything in life that way? Good luck and God's speed!

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #834 on: July 31, 2008, 01:11:25 AM »
I only say it can't power a 4 cycle as I haven't seen anyone able to get one to run on pure HHO.. if you have info on a 4 cycle engine running on pure HHO.. please provide a link.. thanks!

Edit:  HHO produces more heat.. that is a form of energy.. I'm talking about exploding HHO to push the piston through the full cycle.

Jason

hey jason
the answer to that pusle i think you can find if you can get the information about the propogation speed of HHO, for excample hydrogen has a propogation speed 40 times that of octane, this is what is so advantageous about hydrogen in multi combustion, it function as an ignition for the fuel whatever kind, petrol or diesel in a gasolin engine for example. so... what is the propogation spee for HHO.

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #835 on: July 31, 2008, 01:15:49 AM »
The picture I posted is from Stephen Meyer's patent. He is Stan's twin brother, still alive and living a few miles from me. I say go for it! If you think you can get it to work the way you like, then, I don't see any reason why you can't. I'm sure you will have to do some trial and error, but, isn't everything in life that way? Good luck and God's speed!


ahhaaaa. that why i picked it up from the ether, do you have the link to this side. i think i will try that i have been keen for three, two is union three is sacred. thank you.

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4Tesla

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #837 on: July 31, 2008, 01:34:42 AM »
To make it more compact would you use three units with three pipes each instead of six units with 2 pipes each?

Jason

Edit: I noticed that in the schematic.. outer pipe "-" and the second pipe is ground and the third pipe is "+"..

« Last Edit: July 31, 2008, 01:56:38 AM by 4Tesla »

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #838 on: July 31, 2008, 02:23:58 AM »
To make it more compact would you use three units with three pipes each instead of six units with 2 pipes each?

Jason

Edit: I noticed that in the schematic.. outer pipe "-" and the second pipe is ground and the third pipe is "+"..



one could use any configuration with the sets. i thought one center and six around, or sig sag the outer cirlcle with 8 sets, ie into a square and total of nine. hmm with a proper isolate coating on the outer pipe they could almost even be stacked. but then i might interfer with the resonanse. and if the resonanse is important i would tune them with different lenght, thus on the bottom the inner would be longer and the outer shorter, this would make the wire attachment easier to. aha "-" _ "ground" _ "+" have to look at that. i thought "+"_"-"_"+". i see meyer alternate phases, in the first attempt i would go simpler. have any of you got hold of T. bearden: energy from the vacuum. surely what we are attempting here is a 4 space asymetri and regauge and resonanse is very important, so i am curious how the inner capasitor of the pipes set differ to the outer set. hm

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Re: Stanley Meyer replication with low input power
« Reply #839 on: July 31, 2008, 02:35:25 AM »
I remember Meyer talking about tuning the pipes.. I think it helped.

Jason