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lltfdaniel1

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #105 on: August 25, 2007, 05:05:22 PM »
a Low temperature Stirling could power a led as for heat but over unity does exist.

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #106 on: August 26, 2007, 03:12:29 AM »


5) Why does a not-for-profit organization own a for profit organization. Nice.


The object of the not NFP is to help the poor and distressed by giving free energy. The FP owned by the NFP provides capitol to operate without depending on the contributers to make regular donations.

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Dante Donatelli

All the cynics so far, have said, "if your giving the World a free gift, THEN GIVE IT TO THEM, and SHUT UP".  We had to clarify this stupid thinking, as NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, WOULD GIVE THE ACTUAL PLANS AND DESIGNS OF THE TECHNOLOGY, FREE TO THE WORLD, WHEN IT'S WORTH A TRILLION DOLLARS, IN FOUR INDUSTRIES.  Sorry I am shouting, but this upsets me.  Instaed of PROVEING their points, the cynics raise stupid points of contention.

ONEGIFT4POWER doesn't have the expertise to operate a hundred billion dollar Technology, in the Global marketplace, dealing with very expert entities, power brokers, and others, as Dante is 72, who could have handled this twenty to thirty years ago,  doesn't want to get involved.  "CEDCO" will have a Board of Directors, which Dante is the Chairman of the Board.  The expert management team "CEDCO" will hire, has to perform to the pleasure of the Board of Directors, or they go.  "CEDCO" will be dealing with some mean business people, and the people Dante has lined up to begin the second activity of ONEGIFT4POWER, cannot handle this.  EXPERTS CAN, and "CEDCO" will hire the best!
 
The best thing ONEGIFT4POWER could have done, is own their own Marketing Corporation, that will have an experienced management team.  These will License, Lease and Develop Electrical Power Plants, FOR A PROFIT.  PLUS, the Marketing Corporation CAN OFFER what ONEGIFT4POWER cannot, by law, (another great reason I started this for-profit corporation, "CEDCO", pure genious, from GOD,) and if one reads www.cedco-marketing.com, they will understand what it is that is being offered.

This leaves ONEGIFT4POWER to do what they wish, and that is to be a perpetual charity, doing good for Americans.

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #107 on: August 26, 2007, 03:45:29 AM »
Dante,


 When can the world see a demonstration? Why can't we buy one? Will you patent?

Darren


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Phase ONE; to raise all the funds needed to carry out Phase Two, Three and to start Phase Four!  A total of only 3.8, million,  from a possible 6 billion people, world-wide,  will be raised, and then the  Fund Drive will be closed, and Phase Two will start.  Donations will continue to be taken in, but will. not count for the
?SEVEN +2 SATISFACTION? (Located on our HOME PAGE) that the Fund Drive contributors will receive.

Phase TWO; the propagation of the GIFT, including re-construction, SIX World Class TESTING LABS secured to report that the Power Plant is performing as claimed, running itself electrically and furnishing electricity for sale or use outside of the system.  Six are being used, because cynics will say one, or two, or even three, or as many as five could be bribed, BUT six are of 24 world wide, IRREFUTABLE PROOF,  and THEN get ready for Phase Three.

Phase THREE;  To have one of the Greatest World Introduction Events ever, with some of the worlds greatest Physicists, Mechanical Engineers, Electrical Engineers, ALL THOSE WHO WANT TO COME OF OUR CONTRIBUTORS, plus the NEWS  MEDIA FROM EVERY CORNER OF THE WORLD, EVERY MEDIA, INCLUDING MAGAZINE, NEWSPAPER, TV., ETC., plus as many CEO?s of Corporations who will want to do business with CEDCO.

The rest of the five phase plan can be found here...

http://www.onegift4power.org/MoreInformation.html


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No Patents yet for a number of reasons:

Copyrights, YES.

First, Patents are NOT what everyone thinks they are.  They protect NOTHING if a country wants to STEAL TECHNOLOGY of which there are at least 100 or so who are engaged in this, as you are reading this.  They steal intellectual property every chance they get.

Patent only last 17 years, but most start infringing at 14 to 15 years.  If Dante would have Patented anything 42 years ago, guess what?  If he would have started Patenting 10 years ago, we would only have say 5 years, and this isn?t enough.

A Patent will be applied for on the GIFT, once it has been Introduced to the World and Marketing started.  In this way, the Patent office will have to accept the application, especially when they can view the full scale Power Plant operating right before their eyes.  (Today, the Patent Office will not even accept an application for what Dante claims, no matter who says what in the way of credibility, unless they see a working Power Plant. After it is Introduced to the World and after six irrefutable testing labs say what it is doing, they will have to accept an application, especially when a Power Plant is sitting at the curb of their building in Arlington, VA..)
Now, to educate those who do not know.

The Patent process isn?t today, what it was just twenty years ago, or better yet, 40 years ago

Since Nafta and Gafta and all the other Afta?s being considered, the Patent process has in fact gotten weaker and weaker in our country.  We used to have the best Patent protection in the world.  Today, as with all global situations, we have weakened our laws to accommodate the World!

Things like ?first to file? are coming on board, if not already on board.  This is where ANYONE who has the knowledge can file FIRST, as long as the inventor is listed.  (Another reason why no secrets will be given.  Any who have the secrets can be a first filer and own the Patent, although the inventor is mentioned, they can operate with the Patent because they will own it according to the new rules in place, or being contemplated).  The Patent can, for the first time in American history, be owned by someone other than the inventor, who historically had to sign the Patent application and he or she would then automatically own the Patent when issued.

Other weakening devices have been put in, or are about to be put in.  The Japanese, for years, made the APPLICATION public, just two years after the application was filed.  The American way was to NOT make anything public, until a Patent was issued.  In fact, the word PATENT simply means TO MAKE PUBLIC, so an applications is NOT a Patent, but most in the world?s governments, want to make everything public so it can be stolen, used or otherwise infringed on as soon as possible.  In some countries, the Patent process is a sham!

Our government wants to be GLOBAL so they are weakening our Patent laws to  be at the low levels of the world. The way the Japanese do it, anyone who wants to get a jump on stealing the work, can.  In fact, another thing few know, more money is spent in the U.S.A. in trying to break through Patents than in the Patent process itself.

Dante knows more about Patents than most who write them.

In fact, another thing few know, and especially in the case of the GIFT,  will surely happen, the Department of Energy and the Department of Defense are notified, IMMEDIATELY after an application which effects both these is filed, even before the Patent office acts on the application.   In this way, THEY CAN CLASSIFY IT AND THE PATENT NEVER GETS ISSUED or even never gets processed for that matter.  Our plan, will circumvent this, as the World will know the Technology exists,  before they get a chance to classify it.

There are other negative conditions that go along with Patents, so will wait for the very last minute before Marketing probably, before we file for a Patent.

Dante owns some 4 Copyrighted booklets  that have to do with his Technology, and is about to Copyright TWO more, of which we own 10% of these, as Dante gave us one Power Plant out of ten he owned, and this means that 10% OF WHAT ELSE HE OWNS BY WAY OF THE Technology, belongs to us, and we own the ?first right of refusal? for the other nine, if we accomplish what we are setting out to do.







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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #108 on: August 26, 2007, 05:10:01 AM »
Dante,

Good luck with your fund-raising and promotions. I wish you well. Sounds like you have a plan (albeit a little complex), it's just a matter of implementing it. Presumably you're part of the way through already anyway.

I agree with you 100% on the patent system and process. It is a joke and a sham, and doesn't protect your IP at all. I like your idea of waiting until the last minute to apply for your patent though.

Any idea on a time frame for each phase?

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #109 on: August 26, 2007, 07:57:51 AM »
I do think though that it would be easier to spread a gift through open source. I mean gifts are free, right?

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #110 on: August 26, 2007, 06:19:44 PM »
I do think though that it would be easier to spread a gift through open source. I mean gifts are free, right?
Ha! Didn't you read? Dante said:

All the cynics so far, have said, "if your giving the World a free gift, THEN GIVE IT TO THEM, and SHUT UP".  We had to clarify this stupid thinking, as NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, WOULD GIVE THE ACTUAL PLANS AND DESIGNS OF THE TECHNOLOGY, FREE TO THE WORLD, WHEN IT'S WORTH A TRILLION DOLLARS, IN FOUR INDUSTRIES.

There you have your answer. Gifts are given in exchange for big cash apparently. But I won't discuss the meaning of gift or we'll end getting another 5 pages of semantics arguments.

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #111 on: August 27, 2007, 02:56:49 AM »
Dante,

Good luck with your fund-raising and promotions. I wish you well. Sounds like you have a plan (albeit a little complex), it's just a matter of implementing it. Presumably you're part of the way through already anyway.

I agree with you 100% on the patent system and process. It is a joke and a sham, and doesn't protect your IP at all. I like your idea of waiting until the last minute to apply for your patent though.

Any idea on a time frame for each phase?





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Darren:
 
Because you replied in the calm and courteous manner you did, I will spend some time answering your concerns.
 
In a way your right, wording doesn't make a difference, as you say tomato and I say tomoto, but, they mean the same, in many humans eyes.
 
But if you look at the World, the "over-unity" phrase goes against all that science thinks, ergo, the reason why they are against anyone who uses this term.
 
It really doesn't matter, in the long run, but if one wants to live in this World, as I have done, and I wanted to get at least TWO expert scientific opinions, I had to listen to what my PhD.'s had to say, to get what I needed. 
 
It wasn't easy getting two scientific experts to even listen to me, and if I would have used the term "over-unity", they wouldn't even have talked to me,let alone the positive reports I recieved, but they did only for one reason. 
 
They knew I was right by what I showed them.  They, being as honest as they could, couldn't beat me down, as I was right, so they had to validate that which they did.
 
When I re-construct the EM-5000, the only Power Plant in the World that will run itself, electrically,  and supply electrical energy for other work, I will have 6 irrefutable testing labs, and there are 24 or so in the World, that if THEY SAY it is working as claimed, NO ONE in the World can go against these, as these are World class experts and recognized by the World as such.
 
This is the ireffutable proof you speak of, BUT, I will not show it to anyone, except those who help us.  I have no reason to do otherwise, as I have been validated by two of the best, and thats all I needed.  If entities do not believe these, they wouldn't believe 100 or 1000.
 
Now, about if I am right or not, as you say. 
 
You find any other man's work, that is as complete as mine, that can explain it like I do, and can even explain the Old Science that made my work possible, plus I explain, as well as I can without giving secrets away, the New Science I use!
 
  I do not think you will be able to, simply because what I have discovered is a totally New Science not understood by anyone yet, but I am not trying to make all understand, just the few we need to join us, and then, science and the rest of the World will get in in a few decades or so.
 
But, even that aside, I don't expect, because of the cynical World we live in, for anyone to believe it, EXCEPT those who join us for their own reasons.
 
I have another ace up my sleeve, but I hesitate to tell you about it, but rest assured, we have one entity on our side, that NO ONE in the World can beat on.
 
The point is:  No one can disprove anything I say, either my New Science or the Old Science it came from.  Yes, they can come up with cynical remarks, but no one can prove it with facts, as I prove what I need to with facts.  And you do know, a fact is only a fact, if it can be researched!
 
Can I expect YOU to make a healthy contribution and join us as a friend?
 
Now, to answer your other questions, as I am spending time to explain things to you, because you are the first gentleman to put things into a conversation mode, and not a stupid cynical mode.
 
We will Introduce the technology and Power Plant to the World, when our fund-drive is complete, and we re-construct the EM-5000, to run itself as I claim.  Sorry, if this doesn't meet with your time table, but your talking to a 72 year old man, who has spent near 50 years with this technology, and I don't mind waiting another year or two, GOD willing.
 
NO, you will NEVER buy a Power Plant, because we are going to LEASE them!  We have to keep the secrets as long as we can, and although if we lose one Power Plant design, I have nine others to beat the first one.  Any competition will always, for at least thirty or so,  years, be behind our Licensees..
 
The point is, there are millions out there who will reverse engineer, if we sell them one.  They have the right to do anything they want with it, if they own it.  BUT, if we own it, protect it and make sure all units are accounted for, even the big Power Plants will be owned by Licensees and they will, as well, protect the technology, BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO PAY  ALOT for their Licenses.
 
That brings me to your last question.  NO, we or I will not Patent any Power Plant.
 
Reason being, if I would have Patened it ten years ago, my time would be running out, and the World's Power Brokers and dictaotors and thieving countries,  would have the design plans for their own use, say like the Chinese who do not recognize American or any other countries Patents.
 
When the time is right, and that is the day a Licensee breaks ground on the first large scale Power Plant, HE will Patent it, and HE will own it, and HE will protect it, and his seventeen year period will start about three years after he files the first Patent, so he will get the maximum time allowed by law, to earn a profit, before it is ripped off.
 
There are some on the market who now have Patents, I agree, but these are not powerful enough to solve the Worlds needs and wants, ergo, they will not get ripped off, BUT when our technology is known, it will shake the very foundations of physics, upset economies, and be very, very valuable to those who own Licenses for them.
 
There's not much more I can say, and thank you for your good wishes, and I hope to see your name on our contribution  list, tomorow!
 
Dante..


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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #112 on: August 27, 2007, 09:12:06 PM »
Nice business plan - if you started it...

I'm unfortunately rather convinced that IF the science of TheGift is true, then their business plan will give Dante the same fame&fortune as e.g. Stanley Meyer, Edvin Gray, T.H Moray et.al...
Which is exactly the status quo that our governing powers want.

However, giving away full disclosure licensed through GPL (or similar) would make him a true household name for decades to come and probable give him a $1.5Million cash gift through the Noble Prize.

If not before, he'll probably wish on his deathbed that he'd have chosen the second option...

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Re: The truth about "overunity".
« Reply #113 on: September 01, 2007, 11:42:01 PM »
G'day all,

The whole Dante business sounds like a scam to me. Vague promises, outrageous claims that no-one can verify and a hand open to collect cash.

Hans von Lieven