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Offline z_p_e

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Disclosing Responsibly
« on: July 04, 2007, 08:48:53 PM »
Folks, I wanted to start a topic to discuss what seems to be a heated subject at the moment, primarily due to recent claims of overunity.

The claim itself is not the topic per se, but the method, format, or process of how the claim is made and represented...is.

The following is what I suggest as a start, and anyone is welcome to add their bit.

1) Decide and state what exactly you are about to claim:
Options here include:
a)100% certainty you have achieved overunity,
b) not 100% sure and asking for help to determine if it is so, or
c) that you are only observing strange effects and that you would like other users to provide feedback.

2) Regardless of which option fits your case, please provide in your post the following minimum parts:
a) A complete drawing or schematic of your prototype or test setup,
b) A clear description of what the device or circuit is, what you think the circuit is doing, or what you wanted it to do,
c) A list of references to any other devices or documentation you based your device on,
d) A list of proper power measurements (more on this later),
e) A photo of your setup is optional, but may be helpful,

3) For those with limited Free Energy Research experience, and/or electronics experience, please post a request for someone to review your steps 1) and 2) above, BEFORE making your post and disclosure,

4) Refine all the above listed elements with the feedback received from the more experienced forum users,

5) Make your disclosure post.

Regards,
Darren
« Last Edit: July 05, 2007, 04:22:57 AM by z_p_e »

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Disclosing Responsibly
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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2007, 02:34:59 AM »
Before I depart:

POWER AND CREED

Few will read it...less will heed it.

Here it is anyway, it may help even one perhaps.

Sadly, due to certain circumstances, it was not completed. However, the fundamental message is there, and some further reading topics and links are listed at the end.

Good luck,
Darren

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2007, 03:17:23 AM »
@daren,

been there, done that, got the t-shirt so now take your toys and go home!!

lol
sam

ps: see ya in a couple of weeks. can't wait for your insightful help again. no pun intended. just can't wait!

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2007, 06:00:29 AM »
@ Darren:

Wow!  Stefan should make your paper a "must read" before allowing posting privileges.  I could not agree more.  One thing I might suggest you add to your post is something about replication before crying out IDI.  It should be IMHDI (I may have done it) before replication has taken place.  Other than that, you are right on the money.  I love this site and have really learned a lot since participating.  I am working mostly over in the Earth Batteries topic.  I take pictures, I post very crude drawings, and I post videos of my efforts.  Not everyone has the ability to do that, and I understand.  What I don't enjoy is when someone pops onto that topic, or any other, and says something like "Oh, I have discovered the secret to OU and it works."  OK, great.  Show us something. "No, I don't build things, I just think about them, and you are doing it wrong."  This is not helpful in my opinion.  We have all seen this. Now, half baked ideas is the place for advanced thinking and theory's I think.  No such thing as a bad idea.  But when you tell the people who are actually building and experimenting that their ideas are flawed and you can't offer any constructive information because you have never built something similar, then this to me is a waste of bandwidth. Excellent, excellent post and topic.

To the experimenters,

Bill

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2007, 06:22:56 AM »
@ Darren:

Wow!  Stefan should make your paper a "must read" before allowing posting privileges.
To the experimenters,

Bill

Hi Bill, I fully agree. It (and the first post above) should be mandatory reading.

Thanks for the great feedback!

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2007, 03:11:51 PM »
@z_p_e

Had I read your pdf two days ago, maybe I would not have connected my Fluke 76 multimeter to this new 2-6vdc to 100kvdc pulser I just got. Heard two clicks and the meter went dead. I mean dead dead. No smell. No fuss. Just dead. Fuses are still good, but the meter just died.

I am worried about two things in your pdf.
1) For sure SM would not pass the IDI test.
and,
2) If something consumed 10 watts and lost 9 watts in heat but produces 100 watts of power, it is still only 10% efficient. I don't understand why.

Maybe with some mods (ok, some very little mods) I think if we could have an OU Grab Bag Or Tool Box, your doc should be on the list.

I know there are alot of new IDI but we cannot make it too impossible for someone to publish something. We cannot stifle OU disclosure because of some clerical lack and on the same token, we cannot run after every IDI without some proper introduction. So yes it is a problem. I think your doc is the ideal and am very thankful for it. I would maybe tone down the "closed systems cannot" part as this may go counter to the OU endeavour, even though it may be technically correct, the ideal has to have some flexibility. Maybe I'm saying this in the wrong way.

wattsup?

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 09:11:31 PM »
Howdy Y'all,
I have to agree with all of you about the proper measurement of experimental devices.  I work in industrial electronics manufacturing.  Test and measurement is critical to getting a product into the field.  If we made claims that didn't hold up to replication and consumer testing all of our product would come back and we would make no money.  That's something that business managers don't go for. 

So my idea for your IDI is to produce a standardized test fixture which measures power in and power out in order to determine the power gain of a device.  All experiments get tested on the same fixture, or standardized fixtures which are certified by the Overunity community.  This way there is a standard power source which is protected from EMI, RFI and wired feedback from the device under test.  The output power can be rectified down to DC and well filtered to make the measurement a simple power equation.  No RF power meters, no calculated measurements, and no guessing.

We are all chasing the same thing.  Output power is greater than input power.  I have seen and read about a bizillion devices that theoretically work.  I'm saying we need a standard test platform and independent, unbiased testers which will impassionately evaluate each device objectively.  This is the only way to truly validate such a device.

Right now I see the alternative energy community much like the medical industry was in America back in the late 1800's, before the EPA.  Now I am not saying that we need another bureaucracy to regulate free energy devices, that would be a massive step backwards.  We need to have something more like IPC, the Institute for Printed Circuits, which is a private company which works with the companies in the industry to set standards and provide a common framework so that everyone is playing with the same rules.  Then once everyone is playing the same game, by the rules, maybe we will start to see significant progress.

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Re: Disclosing Responsibly
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