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Here is the youtube video with schematics.
https://youtu.be/8yXUZl2bEOo
In our first stage, the inductance on the primary side of the transformer plays a crucial role, coupling to the negative side anterior to the battery. Considering the Bedini system's inherent switching capabilities, it's only logical to exploit this feature. Here, the inducer acts as an efficient governor, constraining the pulse with which the Bedini motor interacts. This is no small accomplishment, as our prime objective lies in diminishing the trigger input.
Moving to the secondary effect, we find an opportunity to rectify this oscillation and employ it as a pulse switch transistor controller, pulsing a capacitive discharge. This is where the spirit of Tesla's resonant magic breathes life into the system! A rapid synchronization ensues, harmonizing with the resonant frequency. The challenge – and joy – is in discovering the capacitor value that yields the zenith of spike amplitude, as witnessed through the looking glass of my oscilloscope.
This charge is then channeled into an isolation transformer, rectified, and reintegrated into the battery supply. By shorting a tuned L/C circuit, we unleash a substantial "bang" of energy. selecting the correct value for the capacitor is paramount, for resonance is the cornerstone of this mechanism.
I believe this unique approach to a Bedini-like setup.
Thank you, dear friends, for your unwavering support and shared enthusiasm in this grand adventure. Together, we continue to push the boundaries and light the way.
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Here is the youtube video with schematics.
https://youtu.be/8yXUZl2bEOo
In our first stage, the inductance on the primary side of the transformer plays a crucial role, coupling to the negative side anterior to the battery. Considering the Bedini system's inherent switching capabilities, it's only logical to exploit this feature. Here, the inducer acts as an efficient governor, constraining the pulse with which the Bedini motor interacts. This is no small accomplishment, as our prime objective lies in diminishing the trigger input.
Moving to the secondary effect, we find an opportunity to rectify this oscillation and employ it as a pulse switch transistor controller, pulsing a capacitive discharge. This is where the spirit of Tesla's resonant magic breathes life into the system! A rapid synchronization ensues, harmonizing with the resonant frequency. The challenge – and joy – is in discovering the capacitor value that yields the zenith of spike amplitude, as witnessed through the looking glass of my oscilloscope.
This charge is then channeled into an isolation transformer, rectified, and reintegrated into the battery supply. By shorting a tuned L/C circuit, we unleash a substantial "bang" of energy. selecting the correct value for the capacitor is paramount, for resonance is the cornerstone of this mechanism.
I believe this unique approach to a Bedini-like setup.
Thank you, dear friends, for your unwavering support and shared enthusiasm in this grand adventure. Together, we continue to push the boundaries and light the way.
Ah, i remember the Bedini pulse motor- battery cooker days well.
I hear in your video you state that-- it does not have to be a complicated system, but your system seems to be just that.
It seems more an oscillator charging system, rather than a cap dump system.
Remember, every electrical component you put into a system is a lose, it is never a gain.
The whole idea of the cap dump system, is to dump a low voltage/high current pulse of energy into the battery, instead of the high voltage/low current battery killing inductive kickback spike associated with the bedini pulse motor.
There are far simpler ways to make a cap dump system that dumps the energy back into the run battery safely.
The bedini pulse motor is probably one of the worst designed pulse motors out there, but they are a simple design to get you started.
You have a good scope there, so have you done any P/in-P/out calculations ?, so as to get some idea of efficiency.
In saying all that, good work.
It is great to see people are still experimenting with the pulse motor.
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Well one can go solid state if they want instead of the wheel.
https://youtu.be/QYpwTJJ3lh8
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Well one can go solid state if they want instead of the wheel.
https://youtu.be/QYpwTJJ3lh8
Yes, one could.
If you remove the bass/emitter diode on the ssg pulse motor, it will go into self oscillation.
I see in your video, you have also fallen for the tricks batteries play on you.
Many fall for this mis-conception.
I can show you the battery voltage rising when a load is placed on it, without all the voodoo hooked up to it.
Your video is titled--100 watts of free energy.
Where is this free energy ?, as i see just a battery delivering energy to an inverter, and then the inverter delivering it to a incandescent bulb. We also see the battery voltage falling as it should.
And what is this !radiant! energy you speak of ?
Over time, you will come to understand what is really going on with your battery, and it has nothing to do with this ! radiant! energy you speak of.
It would seem you have been reading them !books of secrets!, from the likes of Aaron the rookie from Energetic forum.
Pumping 100 volt spikes into your battery will kill it soon enough, as many have found out in the past.
There are those here that are well versed on these pulse systems, and battery behaviour, but i guess it is up to you if you wish to learn facts, or continue on down the rabbit hole.
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LOL! Good day.
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LOL! Good day.
I was not trying to discourage you.
I was only trying to explain what you are seeing.
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Well my post this time was not to rehash what works and what doesn't and a debate. This is just a controller. Those who want to experiment can. Don't like it move on. I don't hang around on here much anymore as I don't need the help. But I like to log in and say hello once in a while and help those who really want to listen.
If you want to speak theory, I have many posts with such information. That explains what I do what my mods are and what are the effects. I proved my point in these forms months ago. I'm not going to play the broken record. If you want to better understand what i'm doing feel free to read my previous posts! It has been well discussed in previous posts.
If you feel for some reason such devices will never work as intended that's fine.
I simply share everything without all the bs and fluff. That's what people like about me, That's why I got over a thousand subscribers within weeks. These people seem to understand, They are building and replicating my devices. Some are even selling kits now based on some of my ideas :)
I'm 100% open. No secrets. Like Bedini and the others....
Again that may offend some. I guess you can't please all!
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author=joellagace link=topic=19537.msg581520#msg581520 date=1692708999
I simply share everything without all the bs and fluff.
Ok, no bs and fluff. Your video title is- 100 watts of free energy.
Can you show us, with measurements, this 100 watts of free energy ?
That's why I got over a thousand subscribers within weeks
I have 22k+ subscribers, but i don't think subscriptions validate anything.
Lets hope you are not another that claimes free energy, but can never show it.
I have a little pulse motor of my own.
I will throw it on here once i get a video of it--just for shits and giggles ;D
It will give you something to laugh at.
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I don't see what's funny about pulse motors, There are more devices and methods to experiment with. this one seems to be one of the more popular ideas using the infamous "Bedini" name even if he had nothing to do with the workings of a basic one transistor oscillator LOL. I guess I should call this one the "Lagace" motor 8)
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I don't see what's funny about pulse motors, There are more devices and methods to experiment with. this one seems to be one of the more popular ideas using the infamous "Bedini" name even if he had nothing to do with the workings of a basic one transistor oscillator LOL. I guess I should call this one the "Lagace" motor 8)
Hey, you can call your builds what ever you want.
But it would be a good idea to learn the difference between Back EMF and inductive kickback first, as it is very confusing when you claim to be using the Back EMF in a system, when you are really using the inductive kickback or flyback as it is also known.
Back EMF in an inductor is produced when you connect a coil/inductor to a current source, and the magnetic field starts to build through and around the coil. Inductive kickback happens when the current source is disconnected from the inductor, and the magnetic field collapses around the coil/inductor. The current flow will then continue to flow in the same direction as it was when connected to the source. The voltage will however, invert across the coil/inductor during the kickback stage.
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LOL :o TL/DR
"inductive kickback" is another common name for Back EMF, especially in the context of electrical circuits and systems.
When a current flowing through an inductive coil is suddenly interrupted, the magnetic field collapses, and the energy has to go somewhere. This can result in a sudden voltage spike or "kickback" across the coil. It's a manifestation of the principles underlying electromotive forces and provides a fascinating avenue for exploration.
"Back EMF" often describes a continuous phenomenon where the induced electromotive force opposes the direction of the applied voltage, such as in the operation of a motor.
"Inductive kickback," on the other hand, tends to describe a more sudden and transient phenomenon, like a spike in voltage when the current in an inductive circuit is abruptly interrupted.
These subtle differences in context can lead to the preference of one term over the other in specific situations.
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LOL :o TL/DR
"inductive kickback" is another common name for Back EMF, especially in the context of electrical circuits and systems.
When a current flowing through an inductive coil is suddenly interrupted, the magnetic field collapses, and the energy has to go somewhere. This can result in a sudden voltage spike or "kickback" across the coil. It's a manifestation of the principles underlying electromotive forces and provides a fascinating avenue for exploration.
"Inductive kickback," on the other hand, tends to describe a more sudden and transient phenomenon, like a spike in voltage when the current in an inductive circuit is abruptly interrupted.
These subtle differences in context can lead to the preference of one term over the other in specific situations.
"inductive kickback" is another common name for Back EMF, especially in the context of electrical circuits and systems.
Only in fantasy land.
To quote EE-->A back e.m.f.(also called a Counter e.m.f.) is an e.m.f. created across an inductor by the changing magnetic flux around the conductor, produced by a change in current in the inductor.
"Back EMF" often describes a continuous phenomenon where the induced electromotive force opposes the direction of the applied voltage, such as in the operation of a motor.
Voltage has no direction. It is a potential across a circuit.
The Back EMF will produce a voltage across the inductor that is the same polarity as the source.
Current has a direction of flow. Back EMF applies to any inductor that has a voltage dropped across it.
When a voltage is dropped across an inductor, you get a Back EMF produced by the inductor of the same voltage polarity as the source voltage, which is why the value of current flow starts from 0, and increases over time as the magnetic field reaches it's peak.
When the source is disconnected from the inductor, you get inductive kickback, which has no Back EMF, which is why the current flow from the inductive kickback starts high, and decreases over time to 0.
There is no Back EMF produced during the inductive kickback part of the cycle, as the inductor is now the source, and not the sink.
In the (The secrets of Back EMF) thread, you stated in reply 24-->(When the current is turned off, the magnetic field collapses, which generates a voltage spike known as a back electromotive force (EMF) in the opposite direction of the original current)
Not that it makes much sense,( EMF in the opposite direction of the original current) but the current is not flowing in the opposite direction during the inductive kickback part of the cycle. The current will remain flowing in the same direction throughout the whole cycle. And the inductive kickback has no back EMF, as it is now the source of current.
I too use to call it Back EMF when i first started playing around with these pulsed systems 20 odd years ago.
But i soon learned the difference between Back EMF and inductive kickback.
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Tinman I partially understand this
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When a voltage is dropped across an inductor, you get a Back EMF produced by the inductor of the same voltage polarity as the source voltage, which is why the value of current flow starts from 0, and increases over time as the magnetic field reaches it's peak.
When the source is disconnected from the inductor, you get inductive kickback, which has no Back EMF, which is why the current flow from the inductive kickback starts high, and decreases over time to 0.
There is no Back EMF produced during the inductive kickback part of the cycle, as the inductor is now the source, and not the sink."
but as in the auto coil the collapsing magnetic field creates a charge that is then
pushed into the capacitor across the points and then that charge again goes back into the coil making that same magnetic field and collapses repeating this process till it weakens to nothing.
And since the back emf or whatever is greater than the 12v supplied the fist time we have a cascading up voltage the makes an even greater HV.
So I assume there is some current going back into the coil from the capacitor.
Am I wrong?
Norman
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Tinman I partially understand this
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When a voltage is dropped across an inductor, you get a Back EMF produced by the inductor of the same voltage polarity as the source voltage, which is why the value of current flow starts from 0, and increases over time as the magnetic field reaches it's peak.
When the source is disconnected from the inductor, you get inductive kickback, which has no Back EMF, which is why the current flow from the inductive kickback starts high, and decreases over time to 0.
There is no Back EMF produced during the inductive kickback part of the cycle, as the inductor is now the source, and not the sink."
but as in the auto coil the collapsing magnetic field creates a charge that is then
pushed into the capacitor across the points and then that charge again goes back into the coil making that same magnetic field and collapses repeating this process till it weakens to nothing.
And since the back emf or whatever is greater than the 12v supplied the fist time we have a cascading up voltage the makes an even greater HV.
So I assume there is some current going back into the coil from the capacitor.
Am I wrong?
Norman
In the case of the condenser in a points ignition system, the magnetic field in the coil collapses when the points are open, not closed.
Once the points are open, current can oscillate between the coil and condenser. But once the condenser starts sending current back into the coil, it has then become the source-like the battery, and so the coil will produce some Back EMF during this part of the cycle. But during the coils kickback cycle, no Back EMF is produced by the coil, as it is now the source of current flow.
It is easy to remember
1- if the inductor is the sink of current flow, and the magnetic field is still changing in time, then you get a Back EMF
2- if the inductor is the source of current flow, then there is no Back EMF produced in the inductor.
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I'm far from a Bedini expert to ask this, but does anyone ever run such circuits from capacitors? Just to make sure you're not sucking chemical cycle life from the battery. Any other reason Bedini trickery wouldn't "start" let alone "loop" from capacitors?
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I'm far from a Bedini expert to ask this, but does anyone ever run such circuits from capacitors? Just to make sure you're not sucking chemical cycle life from the battery. Any other reason Bedini trickery wouldn't "start" let alone "loop" from capacitors?
Many of us have tried, but there just isn't enough houdini voodoo to keep the motors going.
Here is a video of my second most efficient motor.
It is a window motor, that has magnetic bearings, that i built 11 years ago.
Running on caps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67R5ksfFF14&t=9s
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Thanks for sharing, great work!
No "runner", but at least no precious batteries were degraded for that build.
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Thanks for sharing, great work!
No "runner", but at least no precious batteries were degraded for that build.
I would have liked to have tried it in a vacuum chamber, as it did shift a large volume of air for very little power.
If that energy that was shifting the air was able to be turned into a higher rpm, so as the gen coil produced just a little more power, then i recon it would have been very close to a self runner. But before i could build a vacuum tank, i dropped the rotor, and it smashed into a million pieces.
Non the less, i have since built an even more efficient motor, with a very different working principle.
Will be posting that soon. Just printing up the final body for it now.
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So Tinman when the inductor is being charged there is no BEMF but when its magnetic field collapses there is BEMF. What about the capacitor? It has no magnetic field and should have no BEMF from the collapsing field.
What would happen if we put a second coil where the capacitor is? Would that increase the efficiency of the original charge being recycled back and forth?
Norman
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I would have liked to have tried it in a vacuum chamber, as it did shift a large volume of air for very little power.
If that energy that was shifting the air was able to be turned into a higher rpm, so as the gen coil produced just a little more power, then i recon it would have been very close to a self runner. But before i could build a vacuum tank, i dropped the rotor, and it smashed into a million pieces.
Non the less, i have since built an even more efficient motor, with a very different working principle.
Will be posting that soon. Just printing up the final body for it now.
I didn't want to comment on that earlier but your rotor was pretty efficiently shaped, is a water wheel or ground effect fan. Why not put it in a smooth plastic case? Static? Or wood? Even paper and tape?
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So Tinman when the inductor is being charged there is no BEMF but when its magnetic field collapses there is BEMF. What about the capacitor? It has no magnetic field and should have no BEMF from the collapsing field.
What would happen if we put a second coil where the capacitor is? Would that increase the efficiency of the original charge being recycled back and forth?
Norman
No, you have it backward.
When an inductor is being !charged! as you call it, that is when it produces Back EMF.
During the inductive kickback part of the cycle, there is no Back EMF being produced in the inductor, as the inductor is now the source of current flow.
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WHEN AN INDUCTOR IS POWERED UP ELECTRICALLY THE MAGNETIC FIELD AROUND THE COIL PUSHES BACK AGAINST
THE ETHER AND WHEN POWER IS SWITCHED OFF ETHER PUSHES BACK THE MAGNETIC FIELD WHICH CAUSES
THE BACK EMF.
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WHEN AN INDUCTOR IS POWERED UP ELECTRICALLY THE MAGNETIC FIELD AROUND THE COIL PUSHES BACK AGAINST
THE ETHER AND WHEN POWER IS SWITCHED OFF ETHER PUSHES BACK THE MAGNETIC FIELD WHICH CAUSES
THE BACK EMF.
I know we're discussing caps, but do you need to write in all caps?
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TRIVIAL PEDANTIC BULLSHIT ALWAYS GET SOME IDIOTS PISSED OFF.
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TRIVIAL PEDANTIC BULLSHIT ALWAYS GET SOME IDIOTS PISSED OFF.
In that lovely piece of prose, are you the one bringing the trivial pedantic bullshit, or are you the pissed off idiot?
With that peculiar writing style and "alternative" to common English grammar, it's really hard for neurotypical readers to tell what you are trying to convey.
Declare the name or family relation to one single person who told you it was alright to type in all caps? Was it a priest blessing your typing? Did loving parent teach you this way? An inspired university professor?
Did whatever you're trying to accomplish here ever pay off for you, in any way? If so, what was it?
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My 2 cents worth. My first Terminal was all caps all the time. No lower case at all. Very easy to read on the eyes. Not sure who decided that this was now considered shouting. Not to me, just caps is all. Easy to read too. My work requires "all" caps in a non-conformance report so it is very easy to read and understand. To me it is just mr grammer at it again. OK, so it was 4 cents worth.
thay
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Tolerance
Applied liberally..
Hugs to the very loud fisherman
In the middle of the ocean …
Who knows ?
Someday he may be the last vestige of humanity ( saved by his isolation?)
And his boldness may be necessary…( to be heard)
Until then ?
Good to practice!
Back to this “thing we do”
Here I am stuck for a bit in a place called sheep’s head bay ( Brooklyn NYC 14 million people in a 50-? Mile radius
Not very isolated … but the same ocean is a stones throw away…
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My 2 cents worth. My first Terminal was all caps all the time. No lower case at all. Very easy to read on the eyes. Not sure who decided that this was now considered shouting. Not to me, just caps is all. Easy to read too. My work requires "all" caps in a non-conformance report so it is very easy to read and understand. To me it is just mr grammer at it again. OK, so it was 4 cents worth.
thay
To those working with all caps in programming and the like, it might subjectively be easier to read. I doubt a majority of society would agree to it. We have a way to write, it's taught universally. Disemvoweled text can be read well by some people, yet it hasn't become a norm for some reason.
What are the pros and cons of adopting a wholly different typing style in a public setting? The odd and very stubborn preference of the one, chosen to (or certainly happy to) frustrate a large part of the audience. It's the individual placing oneself of over its audience and in this case, immediately trying to insult that audience althought that got lost in "translation" somewhere. One could easily start an all caps platform, or a browser than universally converts between it and normal script for the benefit of the odd one that likes it differently. Make direct insulst to others an accepted thing as well, as that seems to have an exceedingly high correlation with the all caps thing. But to come in to a public one and subject other to it...the one versus the many...where is the net positive?
Name one best selling novel written this way, one popular scientific study, etc?
I might change my view on this if an all caps writer emerged who was eloquent and helpful and friendly. From my personal experience, this is a super rare combination.
In some forms of script, all caps are used to express a statement deemed to be true. All caps writers indeed seldomly seem to use question marks to open themselves to the insights of others. I could be wrong there. Either way, even if there are use cases for all caps, a forum, by definition interactive, isn't served with all caps posts. Any reasoning behind it would best be soaked in helpful information, courtesy and kindness. Now where do we ever get that? Even if it existed, it still doesn't serve a purpose.
In English, there is a lack of articulation tools, at least compared to my native language where we can put an áccent on vowels. So I MIGHT as time use an all caps word in stead, and I see others do it as well, with limited frustration of others unless overused. As in all caps text.
If one needs easier to read text, just crank up the text size on your desktop settings or hit CTLR +. Imagine nearsighted people forced the general public in their vicinity to all see the world and them through thick lenses...
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SO WHAT YOU CALL A MAN WHO WING AND CARRY ON LIKE A PREGNANT SUPER KAREN.
OH I GOT IT KEN OR GREG. TAKE A CHILL PILL MAN WE ARE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN, YOU
ARE WELCOME TO COME.
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SO WHAT YOU CALL A MAN WHO WING AND CARRY ON LIKE A PREGNANT SUPER KAREN.
OH I GOT IT KEN OR GREG. TAKE A CHILL PILL MAN WE ARE ALL GOING TO HEAVEN, YOU
ARE WELCOME TO COME.
You answer questions and suggestions without real content,.with just more loud mouthed attitude. Comes across ultra insecure. Like uneducated guys in very large vehicles showing off grotesk jewellery and tattoos, barking at everything that moves. It just doesn't work as well online.
Would be great if you'd crank up the attitude a tiny bit more as Stefan has warmed up to the idea of banning people who don't want to play nice. Any more nasty remarks you'd like to share? Show us what you're really made up, show us how you have decided to stand out from the crowd.
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You answer questions and suggestions without real content,.with just more loud mouthed attitude. Comes across ultra insecure. Like uneducated guys in very large vehicles showing off grotesk jewellery and tattoos, barking at everything that moves. It just doesn't work as well online.
Would be great if you'd crank up the attitude a tiny bit more as Stefan has warmed up to the idea of banning people who don't want to play nice. Any more nasty remarks you'd like to share? Show us what you're really made up, show us how you have decided to stand out from the crowd.
I have to say that i also understood all caps as shouting.
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LOL :o TL/DR
"inductive kickback" is another common name for Back EMF, especially in the context of electrical circuits and systems.
When a current flowing through an inductive coil is suddenly interrupted, the magnetic field collapses, and the energy has to go somewhere. This can result in a sudden voltage spike or "kickback" across the coil. It's a manifestation of the principles underlying electromotive forces and provides a fascinating avenue for exploration.
"Back EMF" often describes a continuous phenomenon where the induced electromotive force opposes the direction of the applied voltage, such as in the operation of a motor.
"Inductive kickback," on the other hand, tends to describe a more sudden and transient phenomenon, like a spike in voltage when the current in an inductive circuit is abruptly interrupted.
These subtle differences in context can lead to the preference of one term over the other in specific situations.
BEMF or CEMF as found in the Bedini SSG Energizer is a reverse voltage that opposes the applied voltage supplied by the primary battery.
Inductive collapse is when the coil tries to maintain the loss of current, as the transistor shuts off the flow of current to the inductor, the voltage will increase trying to maintain the sudden loss of current, which it cannot and it collapses and we see a large transient high voltage spike that travels in the opposite direction as the applied voltage of the primary battery. The diode sends these coil collapse spikes to the secondary battery for charging.
The Bedini SSG with all north’s produces two EMF’s, one is CEMF that will charge the primary battery, when a high inductance coil is used and the second EMF that is opposite and out of phase to the CEMF that does add to the inductive collapse going to the secondary battery.
The North Pole generates one positive and one negative EMF.
Dave Wing
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Future post.
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author=Dave Wing link=topic=19537.msg581694#msg581694 date=1693261971
BEMF or CEMF as found in the Bedini SSG Energizer is a reverse voltage that opposes the applied voltage supplied by the primary battery.
Actually, the BEMF voltage is of the same polarity as the applied voltage, only slightly lower when a voltage is dropped across an inductor. The difference between the applied voltage and BEMF voltage increases over time, which is why current flow increases over time. The BEMF voltage can be calculated at any time through the charging cycle of the inductor.
Inductive collapse is when the coil tries to maintain the loss of current, as the transistor shuts off the flow of current to the inductor, the voltage will increase trying to maintain the sudden loss of current,
The voltage across the inductor will invert once the source is disconnected. The voltage increases due to the rapid collapse of the magnetic field around the inductor. The peak value of this inductive kickback voltage will depend on the loads voltage value, or resistive value. The coils collapsing magnetic field induces an electric field/electric potential across the coil, which is what maintains the current flow through the coil. The peak current value will never exceed that of what the coil reached during the charging process.
The Bedini SSG with all north’s produces two EMF’s, one is CEMF that will charge the primary battery, when a high inductance coil is used
This would depend on whether the coil was wound CW or CCW.
and the second EMF that is opposite and out of phase to the CEMF that does add to the inductive collapse going to the secondary battery.
Your far better off winding a third winding on the coil, hooking the outputs to a FWBR, and sending all that energy right back to a single run battery, and getting rid of the charge battery altogether.
Brad
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This screen shot was taken from https://youtu.be/OSJF3GlYGVc?si=50EryhVsEiPSidTb
The image analogy is for a small DC non-pulse motor, where the inductive kickback is discharged into the motor windings.
Peter Lindemann describes BEMF, the video is very good and is the first part of a three part series on Electric Motor Secrets.
Found here https://emediapress.com/shop/electric-motor-secrets/
I recommend purchasing these video’s for your library.
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This is the symmetrical AC waveform of an all north Bedini SSG.
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Here is an example of a asymmetric produced waveform in between two north poles on a rotor. It is more negative than positive in amplitude. This waveform can become more positive and less negative when the rotor rotation is reversed. Everyone has heard John Bedini, Jim Murray, Paul Babcock, Thomas Bearden, erfinder etc. talk about asymmetrical waveforms and what can be done with them.
Specifically how rotation in one direction can cause CEMF to flow with the applied voltage, increasing recovery and performance of a DC pulse motor and rotation the other way causes CEMF to oppose the applied voltage.
Dave Wing
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This screen shot was taken from https://youtu.be/OSJF3GlYGVc?si=50EryhVsEiPSidTb
The image analogy is for a small DC non-pulse motor, where the inductive kickback is discharged into the motor windings.
Peter Lindemann describes BEMF, the video is very good and is the first part of a three part series on Electric Motor Secrets.
Found here https://emediapress.com/shop/electric-motor-secrets/
I recommend purchasing these video’s for your library.
The videos, books, and the pulse motors show nothing at all out of the ordinary.
Their books of secrets have no secrets.
They just peddle garbage and lies in order to make a buck.
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This is the symmetrical AC waveform of an all north Bedini SSG.
You get the same waveform passing an all south Bedini flywheel past the coil, only inverted.
There is nothing at all special about any of bedini's motors or contraptions, other than they kill perfectly good batteries.
There is nothing special about an all north out flywheel.
In fact, the best configuration is to have alternating fields around the rotor.
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The videos, books, and the pulse motors show nothing at all out of the ordinary.
Their books of secrets have no secrets.
They just peddle garbage and lies in order to make a buck.
I don’t think it is garbage, in my opinion they are trying to get us to think about this… the lesson’s I gathered is to use the CEMF to work with you and not against you. CEMF can be recovered along with the inductive coil collapse. That is the lesson they teach.
Dave Wing
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You get the same waveform passing an all south Bedini flywheel past the coil, only inverted.
There is nothing at all special about any of bedini's motors or contraptions, other than they kill perfectly good batteries.
There is nothing special about an all north out flywheel.
In fact, the best configuration is to have alternating fields around the rotor.
What I am talking about now is the waveform in the middle of the scope shot, it is not a normal waveform, it is more negative than positive.
I will throw this out… turn your magnets so you are using them on their sides rather than the north or south faces. You will find turning the rotor one way the waveform will be more positive, then turn the rotor the other way the waveform becomes more negative than positive.
My pulse motor draws more current, produces more output to a secondary battery as the RPM increases… which is the opposite of a normal DC motor. When I load the machine the amperage, the motor draw goes down and the recovery almost stays the same.
Dave Wing
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I don’t think it is garbage, in my opinion they are trying to get us to think about this… the lesson’s I gathered is to use the CEMF to work with you and not against you. CEMF can be recovered along with the inductive coil collapse. That is the lesson they teach.
Dave Wing
If that is what you read from those !books of secrets! they sell, then i rest my case.
The CEMF or BEMF already works with you.
CEMF or BEMF cannot be recovered. as it only exists while the inductor is connected to a power source, and the current is still building in the inductor. This CEMF/BEMF value is always less than that of the source supplied EMF, due to the windings resistance.
The only thing any of those guys teach, is how to destroy batteries.
Think about it. They put out all these books of secrets, but not a single one of them has a self running device.
They sell you these books and video's, but can't build a self runner them self lol.
They are snake oil salesmen-nothing more.
You would get better information from people like me and many others here--and for free.
Out of all the people that have follow these snake oil salesmens advice over all these years, how many have a self running device ?
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What I am talking about now is the waveform in the middle of the scope shot, it is not a normal waveform, it is more negative than positive.
I will throw this out… turn your magnets so you are using them on their sides rather than the north or south faces. You will find turning the rotor one way the waveform will be more positive, then turn the rotor the other way the waveform becomes more negative than positive.
My pulse motor draws more current, produces more output to a secondary battery as the RPM increases… which is the opposite of a normal DC motor. When I load the machine the amperage, the motor draw goes down and the recovery almost stays the same.
Dave Wing
If you can post a picture of your motor and where you have the scope probes, i can explain exactly what is going on.
I have built many pulse motors with the magnets laying on their side, and have seen nothing out of the ordinary.
It's ok to post waveforms from a scope, but without a circuit diagram or a picture of how your motor is set up, how can anyone be expected to explain to you what you are seeing.
And a standard DC motor draws more current as you increase the RPM.
Brad
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If that is what you read from those !books of secrets! they sell, then i rest my case.
The CEMF or BEMF already works with you.
CEMF or BEMF cannot be recovered. as it only exists while the inductor is connected to a power source, and the current is still building in the inductor. This CEMF/BEMF value is always less than that of the source supplied EMF, due to the windings resistance.
The only thing any of those guys teach, is how to destroy batteries.
Think about it. They put out all these books of secrets, but not a single one of them has a self running device.
They sell you these books and video's, but can't build a self runner them self lol.
They are snake oil salesmen-nothing more.
You would get better information from people like me and many others here--and for free.
Out of all the people that have follow these snake oil salesmens advice over all these years, how many have a self running device ?
If you use the sides of the magnets and not the north or South Pole faces of the magnets you will see for yourself, you will see the Bloch wall will repel iron, which is opposite to north / south poles which attract. A pulse motor will run extremely well when run in this manner. It is an area worth exploring. When you see the waveform I posted you can see an amplitude difference, it is not symmetrical, it is at least at a 2:1 ratio. I would say this approach is closer to unity than anything I have seen or done to date. I know where I am going next, I know my next move in my build. I am shooting for unity in recovery and then cascading the system. Right now I can demonstrate 60-70% recovery with free mechanical. The machine will draw close to 70 percent less current under load, when compared to running at no load speed and still maintain at least 50-60% recovery at load.
When a pulse motor is spinning it’s rotor it is acting as a generator, CEMF is being generated and it can charge a parallel capacitor to higher than the supply voltage when the primary dc pulse motor power source is removed. The generating pulse will charge the cap to well beyond the primary supply voltage. That is possible, I have done that many times. If you disconnect the power source CEMF has to be force charging the cap. Unless you have some other explanation?
How much real recovery have you been able achieve on your pulse motor builds? In vs out?
Out of all from Tesla to now and anyone in between I have yet to see anyone give plans on how to build over unity pulse motor system. Maybe you could site one?
Bedini circuit does not destroy batteries, you have to neglect and abuse your batteries to get them to fail. So your statement is false. Any battery will fail if you undercharge, overcharge or misuse them.
Dave Wing
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If you can post a picture of your motor and where you have the scope probes, i can explain exactly what is going on.
I have built many pulse motors with the magnets laying on their side, and have seen nothing out of the ordinary.
It's ok to post waveforms from a scope, but without a circuit diagram or a picture of how your motor is set up, how can anyone be expected to explain to you what you are seeing.
And a standard DC motor draws more current as you increase the RPM.
Brad
I have no time to show it right now, I’m working and I will be off next week Thursday, I can show then.
When magnets are on their sides there is a whole different experience you will find. Brad, did you not say you need to do something not normal in this field to get results? I did not quote you verbatim however, but you mentioned something along those lines.
Regarding a standard DC motor it draws less current as it speeds up, when it reaches its no load speed CEMF is at it’s maximum. When you load the shaft of the motor it slows down producing less CEMF and more current is used. That is a standard DC motor is it not?
Dave Wing
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If you use the sides of the magnets and not the north or South Pole faces of the magnets you will see for yourself, you will see the Bloch wall will repel iron, which is opposite to north / south poles which attract.
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Dave Wing
Hi Dave,
You say "Bloch wall", in above quote (my bold). I suspect you learned this from those books and vids. It is totally BS. I've been telling this to those folks on the Energetic forum for years. Finally I found an excellent reference to back me up. Please watch this video. She gets into the Bloch wall about 12:50 time marker.
https://youtu.be/vTV1EVb-V2c?si=sGgR95oeLOE2U7Vj
And the middle of the magnet (on axis between poles) does not repel iron. It may appear to, but that's because it is an area of little to no attraction and the nearby poles exhibit strong attraction. Easily seen with iron filings.
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When magnets are on their sides there is a whole different experience you will find. Brad, did you not say you need to do something not normal in this field to get results? I did not quote you verbatim however, but you mentioned something along those lines.
Ok, so maybe you do not know me, so i will tell you.
I have been building pulse motors for around 20 years now, and have tried every conventional method and configuration.
What you have done has been done by many years ago.
Regarding a standard DC motor it draws less current as it speeds up, when it reaches its no load speed CEMF is at it’s maximum.
To simulate the same thing as a pulse motor does, you would increase the average voltage slowly, just like a pulse motor does.
When you first spin up a pulse motor, the transistor is switching on softly, due to the low current produced by the trigger coil.
As the rotor speeds up, and the magnet passes the trigger coil faster, it switches the transistor on harder, which is why the current climbs as the pulse motor builds up speed. The average voltage across the run coil will also increase as the transistor switches on harder.
If we also slowly wind the voltage up on a PM DC motor, the current will also climb, just as your pulse motors current does.
You are trying to compare apples to oranges, when you should be comparing apples to apples. Another of the bedini crews tricks (aka-garbage) Try it your self. Get a PM DC motor, and slowly wind up the voltage, just as the average voltage across your run coil does on your pulse motor, and you will see that the current through the DC motor will climb just the same.
When you load the shaft of the motor it slows down producing less CEMF and more current is used. That is a standard DC motor is it not?
Yes it is.
I have no time to show it right now, I’m working and I will be off next week Thursday, I can show then.
Ok, i would like to see your motor, but know that you will not be showing me anything i have not tried years ago.
Here is a video of my window motor.
It is quite efficient. Maglev bearings and all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67R5ksfFF14
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If you use the sides of the magnets and not the north or South Pole faces of the magnets you will see for yourself, you will see the Bloch wall will repel iron,
Oh dear, you have been bedini'd.
A bloch wall has nothing to do with the middle of a magnet--more bedini crew voodoo.
And no, the center between each end of a magnet will not repel iron.
If you want to repel iron/steel with magnets, you have to use two like poles, and create a temporary monopole magnet, such as i did in this video 11 years ago--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzvy1VgdXDo&t=180s
The generating pulse will charge the cap to well beyond the primary supply voltage. That is possible, I have done that many times. If you disconnect the power source CEMF has to be force charging the cap. Unless you have some other explanation?
What you have described is nothing out of the ordinary.
The supply voltage used to run your motor has nothing to do with how much voltage the coil can produce when the magnets on the rotor are spinning past it. You can get the very same results from a standard stepper motor running as a pulse motor.
You are confusing CEMF with EMF. When the coil is connected to the battery, your coil will produce an CEMF/BEMF. When you disconnect the battery, your coil becomes the source, and so produces an EMF, not a CEMF. You now have a generator, and not a motor.
I am happy to put together a pulse motor using your specs, and show you everything that is happening with that pulse motor on the scope.
Bedini circuit does not destroy batteries, you have to neglect and abuse your batteries to get them to fail. So your statement is false. Any battery will fail if you undercharge, overcharge or misuse them.
Continually charging a battery with high voltage spikes will pit the plates in the battery, and eventually kill them, as many have found out.
Out of all from Tesla to now and anyone in between I have yet to see anyone give plans on how to build over unity pulse motor system.
Ah, i see.
So the books of secrets, and all the claims from the bedini crew about having self runners, or how to build them, is all just garbage-as you just admitted.
Brad