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Offline Magluvin

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2017, 05:08:41 AM »
Its a shame. The speaker thing got me interested. But, the speakers magnet with the top plate and the bottom pole piece, the field in the gap is  N to S crossing the coil perpendicular. In the 3 coil example it would seem it is not the same. But is there something to it none the less? If I had to guess the 2econd coil might be the collector coil. Not all up on the TPU to understand otherwise yet as to what I should be seeing. But it looks interesting to try, Maybe input to coil 1 and 3 and 2 is the output. Would we see some strange effect? Its not a typical winding if 2 is the collector, pickup coil, whichever. But then we have the term control coil. So Im at a loss,

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2017, 04:06:10 PM »
If we assume he had an inkling as to the true magnetic portion of the field
We also have to assume that by his speaker analogy
He meant in the cross-sectional vector
Not up and down like an actual speaker.

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2017, 04:33:34 PM »
A pancake coil acts more like a solenoid or linear inductor
It generates a linear-oriented magnetic field.
A distinct north and south magnetic pole can be found
Above and below the coil. So a south facing magnet placed under it
Causes a repulsion during the first half of the wave
And an attraction during the second.
And by this manner, converts electricity into physical vibration
Producing sound, amplified by the paper cone.


In a toroid, or a coiled toroid: the field is both radial
And circumferential.


Circumferential internally, and through the core.
radially externally, around the wire, following the signal.
It is this second part that causes repulsion and attraction
Between the 3 coils.
This results in a horizontal physical vibration.
Which also produces sound. (audible or supersonic)
 We could turn this into a speaker, place this on a box
Of approx 1/4 wavelength
Or 1/4 of a lower octave wavelength
With one open end, to act as an amplifier
Like how they amplify a tuning fork.


That being said:
There is a vertical fluctuation of the magnetic field in SM’s device.


This is a result of repulsion between the turns of the parallel coil.
It is very tiny, but present.
They expand and contract, slightly out of phase
with the signal.
I suppose in some theoretical world we possess an electronics
adhesive (short of high-temp cured ceramic) that can hold them.
This would eliminate the losses associated with the effect.
But since the source is renewable, it’s trivial.


The audible tone and physically perceptible vibration are
entirely caused by the horizontal vibrations. Not the
‘transmission line’ expansion of the parallel coil.
















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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2018, 08:55:39 AM »
Ok. Just winging it, here is the 3 coils layered with cork as Turbo suggested. 70 turns each of Radioshack green rolls of magnet wire I had laying around. I believe it is 26awg.

Didnt know how far a roll will go, and figuring in the additional length as each layer diameter increases, I stopped at 70 turns where a full roll came close to 90 on the first wind. So made the adjustment then.

Will put terminals on tomorrow. As the inner winding is sandwiched in cork, I put an outer layer of cork after the 3rd winding.

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2018, 06:20:31 AM »
So far it works as a 2/1 transformer using the 2 outer layers in series and the middle coil as an open output. Will see if things change if I load the middle coil.

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2018, 04:37:01 PM »

Hello ALL,

Power does not "magically" appear because of how a coil is wound or even with what frequencies it is pulsed.


To make power you must be "intentional".  First you must identify a form of additional means for gain outside of the norm.
I have told these guys it is ELECTRONS OFF OF THE WIRE.


You must figure out HOW to get the electrons off of the wire.  I have also told them HOW and WHY this is done.  I actually used "Math" to figure it out and then proved it out long ago in the lab.


You must figure out HOW to move the electrons.  Find out WHAT they are attracted to and they will move for you, at a rapid rate.  I told how to do this.


You must figure out HOW to collect MORE electrons to make a BIGGER magnet.  Bigger magnet equals more EMF generated.  I have NOT told this.


You must lastly figure out HOW to use ALL OF THAT to generate EDDY CURRENTS that will give you your greater output.  This part is a "work in progress". 


Pulsing coils is a dead end without having done the leg work above.  That is, for anyone serious about this stuff.  Otherwise, it's just fun to build coils, I know.


2+2 will always equal 4. 


Cheers,


Bruce

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2018, 05:57:20 PM »
Take the theoretical situation of two series-pancake coils
With a “solenoid” between them.


compare the EM field to a normal transformer
Keeping the impedance ratios of each equal.




How is the field different ?
Why is the field different ?


now test them both in the real world


How is the output different?
Why is the output different?






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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2018, 07:48:21 PM »
@Turbo

hahahahaha. SM has been grueling, always has been.

Let me post this diagram I made back in 2011. It pushes the toroid and speaker coil idea to the extreme.

"The answer to the TPU was given yesterday, but it was quickly removed by BRUCE_TPU because he has issues with his EGO."
Don't know why you are saying Bruce showed the TPU. None of that is consistent with all the other TPUs and SM surely did not develop more then one principle of OU operation so......... how does it link to the OTPU or FTPU? Cannot. Where can you see those three coils in the MTPU cutaway pie piece? Cannot.

The diagram f*&kbruce.png (not a nice name man) cannot work. It's impossible. So many winds with each turn having its share of cancellation potential will never work like shown. Those arrows showing something as being directional is just wishful thinking. Copper wire does not convey like that. The whole OU community is stuck at level 1 since 10 years now not one worthy principle has been developed and not one out of the box method has been widely tried and experimented for its variables.

Could say much more and push guys into new ways but it always seems to be difficult for OUers to think out of the box. It's as if we need permission from Professor Standard EE to leave the confines of mediocrity. Imagine the guys who worked for years and years on vacuum tubes if they stuck with their daily standards, there would be no tubes to show us that "coupling" is a nucleic proximity challenge that those guys succeeded to crack wide open. Special conductive materials, very particular topologies. Those masters of coupling are now on the endangered species list.

The guys working on ICs are working with coupling as well but atom to atom. Again ask one of those guys how the electron plays into it and you will get a zero sum answer. Imagine if a memory chip had electrons how would it be possible to turn sections on and off when the whole thing would be electron based. It's like trying to make a Popsicle while underwater.

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2018, 08:53:17 PM »
If I charge two Leyden jars to opposite polarity
I have a “net zero sum”
The gate is in between them, controlled by the voltage


This is no different.
A transistor, a diode, cpu


It’s up to you how to charge it


With a semiconductor we insert an electron
which then goes through a path


In an electric system we insert many electrons
And we insert many (holes/positrons/lacks of electrons)
The semiconductor cut-off voltage of air is very high
and it is not nearly as consistent as a lab made doped silicone.


With modern electricity we flow one half of the current.
Because to use both, cancels each other out with an explosion
of energy.
All sorts of heat, rf, visible light, emf, sound, physical vibration


The P and the N
Or the N and the P
They attract each other like magnets


resinous/ vitreous


This is why we can use the same process to turn light, heat, rf
Back into electricity


to have an electron missing (positron)
is just as powerful as having an extra electron


have something that’s missing way too many electrons
and create a situation that feeds it.
We do this when we make batteries


it’s all the same stuff
rub a balloon of your head


make the air have less electrons than a coil
Or a coil have less electrons than the air you just filled






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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2018, 11:12:23 PM »
Got some insight that may have merit with the 3 coils I made that Turbo described. Will be trying it this weekend.

Mags

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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2020, 02:20:44 PM »
Wrong! Silly pretenders to the throne, you are unworthy. Exept Bruce, he is a man of god, a wise man.

SM was creating mass nodes by using harmonics, wich is the only way to get mass nodes actually. Its basically cheating the conductor and putting more density there than you could have in the beginning of all the mass rendez-vous point, the action-zone is what I like to call it now.

For a given voltage, when dealing with non homogenous charge distribution impulse signals ( it can be AC) vs transmission line lenght, only harmonics creates mass nodes.

I'm not talking lumped circuits. Thats all same charge distribution.

Heres an analogy, radars use a soliton wave to shape a pulse, well SM uses a train of harmonics to create a mass node with the Standing wave.

And  timed deflectors, to collector transfer. The charge is stripped away (exploded) just like carbide vs metal, buts its a double side type of thing.

But all this theory is testable in non-toroid form.

Examine, the sun.
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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2020, 04:11:58 AM »
Wrong! Silly pretenders to the throne, you are unworthy. Exept Bruce, he is a man of god, a wise man.

SM was creating mass nodes by using harmonics, wich is the only way to get mass nodes actually. Its basically cheating the conductor and putting more density there than you could have in the beginning of all the mass rendez-vous point, the action-zone is what I like to call it now.

For a given voltage, when dealing with non homogenous charge distribution impulse signals ( it can be AC) vs transmission line lenght, only harmonics creates mass nodes.

I'm not talking lumped circuits. Thats all same charge distribution.

Heres an analogy, radars use a soliton wave to shape a pulse, well SM uses a train of harmonics to create a mass node with the Standing wave.

And  timed deflectors, to collector transfer. The charge is stripped away (exploded) just like carbide vs metal, buts its a double side type of thing.

But all this theory is testable in non-toroid form.

Examine, the sun.
I like what you say, having seen interesting things on the scope with multiple harmonics many years ago when tuning a transformer circuit of sorts with a variable resistor. At this point, I'm more partial to the idea of heterodyning frequencies to produce a standing wave. I wonder if we're in the same ball park.

Do you see a zener diode (and avalanche breakdown) having any role to play in the TPU-type setups?
Bob

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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2020, 02:47:11 PM »
Not heterodyning.

I said same voltage, not same source. Not heterodyning.

Consider the power present, consider the incoming mass, from another stream, merging.

Consider 3 sources, you can even consider them isolated by diodes.

Its a bit confusing in the beginning, multi-source systems. Buts its really not.

Grab a Sim, you'll see what I mean. There is an area that can be pinched magnetically, this area is double direction and high density, this is the goal.

In this area there must be accelerating and strong vector, for boundary crossing.

This is Kirchoff rules, how do you maximize density with the same voltage? I just told you... The harmonics hack with SW.

Play with the harmonics of a non homegenous wave (compared to lenght of Transmisssion line).

You can match the nodes, have varying intensities along the apparent non wave with non-intensities.

I believe that once the initial "cut intensity" is done, then the mass simply flows.

The bucking field must be intense and accelerating, and density as high as we can get, or perhaps as efficiently as we can get.






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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2020, 03:26:43 PM »
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9787/653cd51d2ae8adaa43a907fcb66d37871f11.pdf

https://www.google.com/search?q=Alfv%C3%A9n%E2%80%99s+Heliospheric+Circuit&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ALeKk02qwpdmri-g7XgQuUZH3i7biCgLgA:1582144974807&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2g9Opvd7nAhVBOs0KHWP7COsQ_AUICigB&biw=1164&bih=866&dpr=1.1#imgrc=ns_xOibFhmTOVM

The sun blurps out particles in pulses.

It, unlike our electrical circuits, can offer itself much relaxed time scales and much more mass. And much greater magnetic fields.

So we, must be extremely creative in our methods to even attempt to replicate self powering generating mechanics of this celestial body.
 
Be jealous of the sun...

But certainly, to use positive energy against itself is one ofthe primary foundations.

https://www.scienceforums.net/topic/83317-electromagnetic-solar-systems/


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Re: The answer has been given, but it was deliberately removed.
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2020, 05:45:57 PM »
Not heterodyning.
I said same voltage, not same source. Not heterodyning.
Consider the power present, consider the incoming mass, from another stream, merging.
Consider 3 sources, you can even consider them isolated by diodes.
Its a bit confusing in the beginning, multi-source systems. Buts its really not.
Grab a Sim, you'll see what I mean. There is an area that can be pinched magnetically, this area is double direction and high density, this is the goal.
In this area there must be accelerating and strong vector, for boundary crossing.
This is Kirchoff rules, how do you maximize density with the same voltage? I just told you... The harmonics hack with SW.

Play with the harmonics of a non homegenous wave (compared to lenght of Transmisssion line).
You can match the nodes, have varying intensities along the apparent non wave with non-intensities.
I believe that once the initial "cut intensity" is done, then the mass simply flows.

The bucking field must be intense and accelerating, and density as high as we can get, or perhaps as efficiently as we can get.
Thanks for the helpful clues. Makes sense to me.
I do believe this is doable in a small way in a relatively simple fashion.
I'll sit with this for a while, maybe post later if time and health permit.
B

 

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