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Title: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 19, 2017, 02:20:57 PM
I was asked to start this topic by Bob Smith on Energetic Forum. I fell it's better suited for the Overunity web site where the controversy originated.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Jeg on November 19, 2017, 02:35:44 PM
Thanks for posting this Synchro and of course thanks to Gotoluk for disclosing his experiment. Is it much to ask for a simple circuit drawing? I mean, connections are not very clear. Does it have a secondary?

Regards
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 19, 2017, 02:44:39 PM
Thanks for posting this Synchro and of course thanks to Gotoluk for disclosing his experiment. Is it much to ask for a simple circuit drawing? I mean, connections are not very clear. Does it have a secondary?

Regards

@Jag,

The point of the schematic is to demonstrate that the "Inductance of the Coil and Core" decreaase in proportion to the magnet spacing. Therefore; The closer the magnets are to the inductor, the lower the Henrys. The difference in inductance or, the "Negative" amount, is in direct proportion to the inductance it replaces with "Magnetic Force"!! 


Here's a new video on the gain from the "Bucking" poles of the neutralization pulse:
 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hqnEddy7ZE&t=26s
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Jeg on November 19, 2017, 05:19:51 PM
Interesting.. Especially if the associated ratios IN/OUT change their proportional relation by approaching the magnet. Going to test it. Thanks for bringing this in to attention.

ps. not going on to a discussion about saturation and the associated lowering of inductance and increasing of current. I am interested more in braking the proportionality between the values and if this brake exist here. ;)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 19, 2017, 08:46:42 PM
It would make a difference on how you ran this GAP motor; In attraction or opposition! The neutralization pulse allows a rotor in attraction to pass, while the power coil acts as a pickup coil for the increased output from the re-gaugingt: The rotor increases the output to the "Hybrid Coil" in rest phase.


Here's a short video demonstrating a latching "Reed Switch": Two "Reed Switch's" would be used, one to direct output to storage or looped to source. This kind of motor could run off a capacitor and an interruptor circuit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUqdYdArys4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUqdYdArys4)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 20, 2017, 02:54:56 PM
Imagine a two magnet mono pole rotor with two reciprocating "Latching Reed Switches" on the axle. The neutralization coil (pictured above) would be connected in series with the switches through a battery and capacitor in parallel. This neutralization attraction motor should run itself with the battery disconnected once started.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 21, 2017, 01:43:56 PM
The masking coil and magnet attraction delivers less torque to the rotor than the repulsive opposition alternative; The benefit to the neutralization approach is the gain the masking pulse generates in it's own windings from the torsion of it's internal magnetic field forces.


The attraction masking pulse is weaker and otherwise avoided by motor builders. We seek to uncover it's hidden strength!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 21, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
The commutator circuit needs a diode! The masking pulse is timed to fire at TDC, and carry through to the half way point when it turns off so the attraction can carry it to the opposing rotor magnet. During this time the coil is reconnected to the battery and capacitor through a one way current permiting diode. The charging takes place due to the "Super Position" of the higher coil voltage resulting from the back surge of magnetic force.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 22, 2017, 03:59:22 PM
Here's a picture of my new build. Notice the ninety degree segment for the reed trigger magnets: Both reed switches have the same origin and destination; The positive electrode of the masking coil and the positive electrode of the power capacitor and battery. The negative lead of the masking coil just connects to the ground of the capacitor and battery.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 24, 2017, 12:54:44 PM
We can see a 12 volt electro-magnet with a stack of ceramic backing disc magnets on the left in the picture above. This electro-magnet turns into an output coil during the high power phase of the approaching rotor magnet. Not only a higher voltage but an increased amperage show up at the capacitor diode. This ratio of output to input has been measured as over unity by Art porter with his GAP apparatus.

Here's a new video on gauging the "Neutralization Strength" of the electro-magnet on the attraction force of a ceramic block magnet:

https://youtu.be/OSKG0PX2Q6s (https://youtu.be/OSKG0PX2Q6s)


This electro-magnet is now suitably balanced for an attraction rotor with two ceramic block magnets for poles with a gap of two coasters in width.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 25, 2017, 04:02:58 PM
There's a difference between neutralization of opposite polarities and neutralization of attraction. The short video above could be repeated with the holding power generated by the electro-magnet, releasing the ceramic block when the coil power's interrupted. It would waste a lot of power to hold the ceramic block magnet up with power from the electro-magnet, instead of it's permanent backing magnets! 

Art Porter demonstrates neutralization of opposition polarity in his GAP video; The repelling magnets close when the neutralization pulse coil is powered on.   

Compare this to the action of a neutralization motor: The attraction rotor magnet is drawn toward the electro-magnet coil when the coil is in output mode from 90 degrees to TDC. Art's gravity piston of opposition magnets is pushed away from the coil when the coil's de-energized.

The difference is that the attraction rotor builds the output from lowest to highest level; The "Push Away" motion of the opposition magnet has it's charge curve reversed! The attraction motor produces a "Rising" power output curve during the rotor magnet's approach to the coil backing magnets during it's recovery mode.

I'll be comparing input and output from my reed commutator attraction motor soon.

Have a look at this attraction output video first; The volt meter's on the milli volt scale:

https://youtu.be/ipxavFNTsh4 (https://youtu.be/ipxavFNTsh4)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 25, 2017, 07:20:50 PM
Fast forward to 2:30 for the key to the "Orbo" by JLN: "When you apply current to the stator coil, it's only to free the magnets after they have done useful mechanical work"!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTMQFvWkS9s
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 27, 2017, 12:17:11 AM
The electro magnet has very little reach compared to the backing magnet field. The electro magnet could never run the magnet rotor off current alone because the coil field drops off substantially sooner then the inverse square distance of the PM's.

The electro magnet however, has the power to truncate the PM field completely through it's high perm alloy core, when it's directly attached to them. The placement of the PM backing magnets extends the projected field by a wide margin over what the coil could effect alone.

This solitary fact amounts to a powerful amplification of the electro magnet coil force. The wider field range turns into an asset for the electro magnet as a pickup coil because the rotor magnet begins to influence the coil further from the side.

The core inductance acts like weight in copper for magnetic field strength per unit of electrical input power. We get a greater force field per watt value with higher core inductance. Electro magnets are hardly ever used in electrical motors due to these drawbacks; However, the drawbacks turn to advantages when combined with attraction masking of backing magnets.   

 


 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 27, 2017, 02:04:21 PM
The topic of this thread is "Negative Inductance and Magnetic Force". JLN's first Orbo test demonstrates a drop in ferrite toroid coil inductance from 235 micro Henrys to 167 micro Henrys when the magnets are attached to the toroid by attraction. That's nearly a 30% drop in efficiency; That means it will require 30% more current to unlock the magnets.

The "Electro-Magnet", with a high inductance "Samarium-Nickel-Cobalt" core is practically impervious to inductance loss from the attachment of permanent magnets; Thus millions of times more efficient as a masking magnet shunt then the ferrite. The Electro-Magnet's inductance measured 73 milli Henrys with no magnets, and a loss of one mico Henry with the attachment of the backing magnets and an additional one micro Henry loss with the rotor magnet at TDC. That's two "Millionths" of a Henry. That amount of inductance loss is barely noticeable by contrast to the ferrite!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 28, 2017, 09:29:15 PM
Can anyone believe that the same input power is masking ten times the attraction strength?

https://youtu.be/K1aQQhiViig
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 29, 2017, 12:12:37 AM
Hob Nilre demonstrated how magnet field attraction strength is directly proportional to copper mass. Twice the copper mass yields the same magnet strength for half the input or twice the magnet strength for the same input. Joe Newman took full advantage of this principle when he built "Big Eureka". The problem with Newman's motor design is firstly; The rotor magnet size is restricted by the space inside the coil core.

The masking strength of a neutralization coil has the same ratio of copper mass to input and magnet strength, however, the external solenoid piston can be any size!

Generating output from a separate solenoid coil with a larger then "Newman Rotor" dimension stack of magnets piston in a masking oscillator could be any size. Secondly, the output would be pure sine wave A.C. with no need for a commutator with "Back Spike Gap".

 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on November 30, 2017, 09:22:39 PM
Here's a picture of what I believe to be an "Overunity Attraction Neutralization Alternator Oscillator": The D.C. fan commutator weeds the 18% of "Backspike" out and returns the regauging output to the source capacitor through a diode from the electro magnet masking coil.

The bifilar output coil on the left houses the lower stack of ceramic rings that are designed to oscillate in the core. This output passes through a FWBR and feeds the same source capacitor as the EM masking coil overhead.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 02, 2017, 12:10:45 AM
Here' a picture of an attraction motor rotor I built with an elongated arm for testing, and a bifilar ferrite core masking coil with backing magnets on the commutator fan. Works well enough. I plan to test a short arm tomorrow!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 03, 2017, 05:00:42 AM
The 800% Adams "Attraction Masking" motor generator. Here's a link to this highly informative PDF http://www.free-energy-info.com/Video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2bPDDWqSvM

The latching Reed switch commutator D.C. fan substitutes for both Adams output coils and his optic-utter commutator.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 03, 2017, 02:48:12 PM
I plan to add a four way cross connector to the rotor, shorten the arms and double the reed switch trigger magnets along with a second magnet backed masking coil. Connecting the two coils through the commutator would complete this improved and modified "Adams Attraction Motor Generator". The extra torque and output is a result of the backing magnets, and the D.C. fan is a Tesla induction motor that acts as a very efficient generator. The other feature is the monococque latching reed switch commutator. These three simple construction improvements add increased power and efficiency to the Adams design. A well designed motor generator. Plus look at all the test results we're supplied by Adams to help.


One other point; The electro-magnet is only good for the oscillator because the metal rim of the pot transformer is magnetic and cogs the rotor. The power source needs to run the D.C. fan as a commutator, but the basic design would be identical. 


Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 03, 2017, 09:10:57 PM
This schematic of then Adams motor shows how basic the wiring is; Simply a diode and capacitor in parallel with the battery:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 04, 2017, 01:20:54 AM
Here's a picture of my half finished four magnet rotor:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 04, 2017, 03:36:16 PM
Robert Adams produced a formula for coil dimension coupled with a strength test for his rotor magnet. Placing a magnet behind the masking coil core would require more weight in coil copper to generate an eqivilent magnetic strength. This would require a larger dimension coil.

The advantage to increasing attraction strength this way is that the additional strength comes at no increased cost to input power. The commutator and circuit would remain nearly identical to Adams' motor.

This novel motor is a "GAP Adams".
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 04, 2017, 07:48:49 PM
Here's a picture of the finished four magnet rotor: The 1/1/8" Radio Shack ceramic rings are a perfect fit for the 1-3/8" PVC fixtures.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 05, 2017, 04:15:21 PM

Here's an excellent window Adams motor configuration video. The output coils are built and positioned to generate "Lenz Acceleration". The D.C. fan generator may accelerate the rotor regenerativly under load the same way.

My "GAP Adams" uses the Art Porter commutator not the single contact of Robert Adams. The backspike cancels the re-gauging output and needs to be side tracked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GflQEMrS5Fk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GflQEMrS5Fk)

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 06, 2017, 07:33:44 PM
Here's a video of the attraction rotor generating power in the masking coil:

https://youtu.be/s-Yw4QstSHU
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 07, 2017, 11:23:09 PM
Here's the D.C. fan commutator with the first "Latching Reed Switch" attached and blinking an LED:

https://youtu.be/z76vwiVP3zk (https://youtu.be/z76vwiVP3zk)


The tiny Neo magnet fragment on the razor blade was not glued well enough and detaches toward the end of the video. Very simple to fix for good. It really works fine.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 08, 2017, 05:47:28 PM
Here's a video of the 500 newton electro magnet masking 6 ceramic block magnets controlled by the "Latching Reed Switch" commutator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KSGNseHga4
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 08, 2017, 09:20:09 PM
This single 1.5 volt Reed switch loop pulse motor can power the D.C fan commutator with practically zero input, and also generate power:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 10, 2017, 01:02:13 AM

Here's a video of the commutator with two reciprocating "Latching Reed Switches": I wired two LEDE's to them, and they light one, then the other in sequence very nicely. I also installed an output coil under the 500 newton EM for the oscillator magnet piston.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isA9JCe8mnc
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 10, 2017, 07:13:33 PM
Here's a video of the twin reciprocating "Latching Reed Switches" commutator with the rotor removed flashing LEDS:

https://youtu.be/kWKVhRdecZQ
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 13, 2017, 01:12:52 AM
This video shows a streamlined D.C. fan commutator with the blades removed. There's a "Latching Reed Switch" mounted inside the frame and a trigger magnet fastened to the hub. This setup is powered by a run down 9 volt battery with a pot and mosfet speed controller: 

https://youtu.be/TzNuGdC4SbQ
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 13, 2017, 08:09:14 PM
Here's a video of the finished blade-less, reciprocating D.C. fan "Latching Reed Switch" commutator with only two trigger magnets of opposite polarity positioned at 180 degrees from one another:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z79XWhN65ZY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z79XWhN65ZY)

Now that I reduced the load and input voltage, I eliminated the speed controller mosfet and simply have a 100K potentiometer wired in series between the 9 volt battery and D.C. fan. This combination is working perfectly.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 14, 2017, 04:49:12 PM
Simple as it can get:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvZoShfxSDU
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 15, 2017, 01:06:22 AM
Video of the first power measurements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuohIRAw76c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuohIRAw76c)

Turning the commutator slowly by hand makes the lower stack of 4 ceramic disks jump a single time, but the output of around 7.5 volts persists for a protracted period of time. What might be causing that effect? Perhaps "Magnetic field reverberation". The output drops to .25 volts as the commutator speeds up. Slowing the commutator down towards the end of the video makes the output climb to as high as 2.5 volts; Stopping it generates the 7.5 volts again for an extended time!

I noticed an inverse relationship between frequency and output with the attraction masking oscillator. It appears that the maximum power curve may be in the fractional hertz with this generator. The prolonged output duration from the single pulse amazed me. Truly awesome initial test result!


The best commutator might be a 6 RPM microwave carousel motor.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 15, 2017, 04:55:32 AM
I ran a second test with 8 ceramic discs on the lower stack and am generating a steady 8 A.C. volts out of the electro-magnet. My input is 12 D.C. volts at 1.5 amps. I'll check the amperage on my next test. This is not BEMF recovery. The lower oscillating magnet stack still has the potential to generate output as well.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 15, 2017, 04:54:44 PM
Compare the diameters of these two Electro-magnets. The core of the 500 Newton coil on the left is merely 50% greater at 3/4" then the 50 Newton coil on the right at 1/2". Isn't it interesting that they develop that much difference in attraction strength with the same input current?

The masking oscillator generates power in proportion to the magnetic force of it's backing magnets. It's curious that we can control greater amounts at no increased cost to input power.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 17, 2017, 12:04:59 AM
Second potentiometer.

I wired a second 10K potentiometer in series with the 100K potentiometer and managed to lower the commutator fan R.P.M. down to around a Hertz.

I slowed the rotor for the second test by applying pressure to the fan rotor with my index finger. I also had the DMM wrongfully positioned on the D.C. setting. I'm certain my second output reading of 8 A.C. volts was accurate. That amounted to 2/3 of the input voltage. That's a whopping amount of recovery percentage from the primary EM coil. I'm currently testing for amperage.

My theory predicts a 100% chance of going OU with this configuration.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 17, 2017, 04:41:41 PM
Here's a video of the elastic spring oscillator controlled by the "Reed switch commutator":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9sSk9MwJok
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 20, 2017, 12:11:33 AM
Art Porter's solid state GAP generator is powered by an A.C. sine wave inverted from a D.C. power source and controlled by a commutator. The positive and negative polarities of the A.C current serve to amplify and neutralize the permanent magnet fields that sandwich his primary coil. Hob Nilre has demonstrated conclusively that weight in copper increases magnetic field strength in an air core power coils with the same input current. Art's coil induction is balanced to mask the attraction gauss of his Neo disc magnets. It's not hard to visualize where the break even and over unity COP line would appear. We can calculate it with a high degree of scientific accuracy. Art's measurements demonstrate that the neutralization side of the A.C. sine wave delivers more output than the amplification one. My simple two switch commutator delivers a D.C neutralization pulse and recovers output. The setup works fine. Winding a larger copper coil with sufficent weight in copper to mask the attraction of my two large Neo disks at a predetermined input would result in a predictable over unity COP when driven by my two switch commutator. This conclusion is inescapable.   


Title: Large neo disk from pie segments.
Post by: synchro1 on December 22, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
This video shows a very powerful levitating Neo magnet disk assembled from individual pie segments. A magnet form like this could easily be 3D printed. The advantage is that there is really no limit to the size or power this kind of magnet form can be enlarged to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y51rrBmepMw (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dy51rrBmepMw)




 
Title: Commutator
Post by: synchro1 on December 24, 2017, 03:50:56 PM
The "Reed Switch Commutator" only needs to latch on one side. The power switch can simply make a brief contact. It takes only a spilt second to separate the attraction fields, but the output is dependent on a time lapse oscillation. This amounts to a very simple adjustment of the power pulse biasing magnet.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXkJ07jkaOM


Title: Relay timer circuit.
Post by: synchro1 on December 26, 2017, 04:25:46 AM
I bought several "Relay Timer Circuits" I believe will work bettor then the D.C. commutator fan.

Two normally open, timed to close (NOTC) "Timer Relays" should work fine triggered by a 6 second per turn microwave carousel motor with one trigger magnet attached. A Reed switch would then trigger the two "Relay Timers" together. One "Relay Timer" would power the masking coil briefly for 1 second, then the second "Relay timer" would wait 2 seconds then turn on for 3 seconds to channel the output to storage. This would create a one second gap for the BEMF to bleed off and not cancel any output. I'll upload a video of this soon.
Title: Carousel commutator and "Timer Relays"
Post by: synchro1 on December 28, 2017, 08:38:15 PM
In this video, we see the "Timer Relays" and the 3 RPM commutator lighting an LED:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvZGz_H77A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfvZGz_H77A)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 29, 2017, 01:14:54 AM
Here's a pictute of the carousel trigger magnet motor mounted inside the D.C. fan frame. This will produce 10 seconds of latched "Reed Switch" power on each side, either simultaneously or in series. The four reed switch leads connect to the timer switches:

Here's a good video on the functioning of "Timer Relays":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71LzzUukFhE&t=112s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71LzzUukFhE&t=112s)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 29, 2017, 02:28:23 PM
This is the final finished design. The "Latching Reed Switches" alternate; The trigger magnets are N.S.N.S. The power on time is 5 seconds; 1 second for the masking pulse, 1 second for BEMF cleansing followed by 3 seconds of output. Both NOTC Timer Relays are activated and deactivated simultaneously by the alternating Reed Switches.

This setup delivers a constant series of cycles with no lapse at .05 Hertz.
Title: Carousel latching reeds.
Post by: synchro1 on December 31, 2017, 01:14:20 AM
Here's a look at the carousel commutator latching the alternating reed switches. Still some fine tuning left. Next comes the timer relays:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpX2RGpEKh4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpX2RGpEKh4)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on December 31, 2017, 04:33:41 PM
Kinetic Art.


Happy new year folks. What's the value of kinetic art? This is a philosophical quandary.I'm sitting here staring at this contraption I wandered into and realized I could wire a 555 on a bread board to do the same work in under an hour. Thinking more on it I realized I already purchased a third timer relay that has the 555 circuit, so the commutator is just more crap for the junk box.


I caught myself by the tail again.


"Kinetic art - art that depends on movement for its effects - has its origins in the Dadaist and Constructivist movements that emerged in the 1910s. It flourished into a lively avant-garde trend following the landmark exhibition Le Mouvement  at Galerie Denise Rene in Paris in 1955, after which it attracted a wide international following".
Title: Greetings from paradise.
Post by: synchro1 on December 31, 2017, 06:39:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpnKnVn_w8Y
Title: Magnet oscillator.
Post by: synchro1 on January 03, 2018, 07:30:50 PM
This video is interesting because it has the potential to generate power in the jouncing coil: The permanent magnet field is passing through the AA battery and magnetizing the positive nipple of the battery with a negative polarity. The tail end of the copper coil is grounded through the magnet discs at the base. The battery is channeling a permanent magnet field and the permanent magnets are conducting electrical current. This is an ingeneous setup. Remember Hob's principles. Lengthening the coil would increase the coil's magnetic field for the same input! This coil should illuminate an LED as a flyback transformer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8VxPNwRuxA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8VxPNwRuxA)
Title: AA Homopolar.
Post by: synchro1 on January 05, 2018, 12:02:57 AM
I measured the AA for inductance and Ohmic resistance and discovered that it was possible to make the battery ring by shock charging it with D.C. current. Attaching 12 volt D.C. electrodes to the AA first makes the battery start to hum, then it continues to hum after the power's removed; While the AA's humming it shunts any permanent magnetic field. I grew very excited about this effect but when I tried to adapt multiple AA's to the masking oscillator they failed to work simultaenously because they have low manufacturing tolerances.

This Homopolar oscillator has captured my attention because of it's infernal simplicity and the similarity to the neutralization oscillator I've been testing.

Follow along with me a little more on this: Imagine we attached the base magnets to the base of a U shaped magnetic metal frame, and mounted an LED with a reflector shield in front of it on on end, then attached the reverse biased LED electrodes to both ends of the spring coil with high gauge (Very thin) magnet wire to run HV flyback into the bulb, and used the rear portion of the U frame for a handle. This would make a pretty coil emergency storm lamp right!

This oscillator has a lot of potential for those two reasons along with our Hob Nilre test results. For example; If we position a second AA on top in series with the first and double the length of the copper spring coil, we can illuminate a second LED equally bright for the same input.
Title: Two AA battery magnet oscillator
Post by: synchro1 on January 05, 2018, 04:12:41 PM
Here's my entry with double the batteries and twice the coil length. I'm using the Neo sphere to repel the coil from the bottom to impart greater force to the oscillation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5X35GJtic (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx5X35GJtic)
Title: AA oscillator coil
Post by: synchro1 on January 06, 2018, 01:37:53 PM
Here's a bettor look at the oscillator coil: Double the coil length will generate twice the magnetic field  for the same unit of input along with twice the "Flyback" power and illuminate two times as many reverse biased LED's as a coil half its mass in copper.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 06, 2018, 08:52:34 PM

Here's a picture of the two AA batteries in series lighting a single 3 volt LED with D.C. current through the Neo sphere magnet: 25 feet of copper wire conductor is not increasing circuit efficiency in this example:
Title: Reverse biased LED lighting off BEMF.
Post by: synchro1 on January 10, 2018, 04:54:09 PM
This was very tricky to video capture because I don't have three hands. I finally got it wired to light the reverse biased LED connected to the top of the coil and the bottom of the coil between the oscillating lead and the coil itself. I can fix the electrodes in place and light a whole bank of LED'S this way now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2CmxkPLgVs (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DW2CmxkPLgVs)


Title: Oscillator lighting 3 LEDS off flyback.
Post by: synchro1 on January 11, 2018, 06:02:15 PM
Here's a video of the oscillator lighting a small bank of reverse biased LEDs: Next I plan to add additional LEDS to the rail to see how many it can illuminate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiCXHFwpIUs (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJiCXHFwpIUs)
Title: LED anode and cathod
Post by: synchro1 on January 12, 2018, 02:39:59 AM

Here's a schematic of an LED identifying the long electrode as the anode or positive;
Title: 12 LEDS illuminated by oscillator flyback.
Post by: synchro1 on January 12, 2018, 06:42:12 PM
Here's a video of the oscillator lighting 12 LEDs on flyback. The 3 volts D.C. will only light 1. Frequency increases LED light intensity: The anode or positive electrode of the LED, (The longer prong) must connect to the negative contact and the negative or shorter prong to the positive end of the coil to light up from the oscillating flyback. The 3 volts of D.C. current will only light one LED connected the other way around, the way they're designed to work, with the anode to the positive and the cathode to the negative pole of the two AA batteries in series.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BDAX8Lm1kY (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6BDAX8Lm1kY)


The power that illuminates the 12 LEDS in this video is strictly a function of the copper mass in the spring coil and core permeability, not the input from the AA batteries. This is a clear example of an Overunity generator in action!
Title: Oscillator coil inductance.
Post by: synchro1 on January 12, 2018, 08:13:40 PM

I measured the oscillator coil inductance at .010 mH (milli henrys) with the AA batteries acting as a coil core and .004 mH alone as an air core coil. This test demonstrates that the AA batteries act as a very powerful core material, more then doubling inductance over the air core. This factor alone more than doubles the magnetic field in the spring coil and more than doubles the flyback power from the field collapse.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 13, 2018, 12:31:03 AM
The difference between an a/c signal (reactive power)
and a pulsed d.c. signal (negative inductance)
is the off-cycle.
No current is drawn from the source during field collapse.
if the load is powered only during this time
The power through the source is only a factor of the induction.
The Lenz/Lorentz force is only fighting the free-space induction
not the current from the source.
There are no changes from source to load.

The source basically does not see the load.

Title: LED gain
Post by: synchro1 on January 13, 2018, 03:35:49 PM

LEDS oscillate and generate power identically to the way the "Battery Magnet Oscillator" does; Adding LEDS in a string may appear to dim the individual bulb, but the overall light output increases with the addition of more bulbs.


A photonic reactor with photo generating panels attached to the inside of a ball with a sphere of LEDS in the center would let us plug into it and run our campsites.
Title: Reed switch.
Post by: synchro1 on January 14, 2018, 12:06:45 PM
A "REED SWITCH" would run this oscillator best! The contact can't be beat confined by a vacuum tube.

"Skycollection" could run his "Hexafilar coil" and bank of LEDS with two C cell batteries in series as a coil core and a magnet at the base in series with the Reed switch.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 14, 2018, 03:12:06 PM
Mag amp effect.
Another advantage of this magnet battery oscillator is that the permanent magnet field that penetrates the copper coil acts as an electrical resistor, (Mag amp effect) increasing circuit efficiency.
Title: Ignition coil lighting
Post by: synchro1 on January 14, 2018, 03:39:32 PM

Bosch patented the "Magneto" and out of it evolved the ignition coil that involved a set of breaker points to jump a spark. Viewing the Reed switch as ignition points one can see how this magnet battery oscillator is really a "Bosch Ignition lighting system".
Title: Transmitter receiver.
Post by: synchro1 on January 14, 2018, 06:55:39 PM
Constructing a receiver of the same dimensions as the transmitter magnet battery oscillator, could broadcast and receive morse code with an interrupter button!
Title: Reed switch oscillator.
Post by: synchro1 on January 15, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Replacing the "Magnet Contact" with a Reed switch evolves this circuit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN5VfZdAPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfN5VfZdAPY)


The only difference is that we are wrapping the AA battery to substitute as and replace the ferrite coil core!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 15, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Here's George Chaniotakis 16 X over unity with a vintage Reed switch:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czI-wvjLork (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DczI-wvjLork)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 16, 2018, 01:22:34 PM
Here's George's version of the "Magnet battery Oscillator". The "Reed switch" is doing the work of the contact:
Title: Cianiotakis OU.
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2018, 11:45:13 AM
George's setup is very similar to an earlier one of mine. I initiated several threads on the "Plasma Reed Switch". George's oscillator doubles it's fly back output when he doubles the copper in his bucking coils. The output is in direct proportion to the weight of copper in the coils.

The LED bulb is reverse biased and is powered by the backspike from the collapsing field. The more copper, the greater the electro-magnetic field and hence the more powerful the flyback from the collapse.

George has grown secretive lately about his schematics but he appears to have the positive from the 24 volt source attached to the coil junction and the positive from the 12 volt source on the other end of the "Reed Switch".

The input power is constant, caught and stored in the catcher battery, while the HV fly back output is doubling from the additional weight in copper in the coils alone; If not clearly over unity at this point, one can see the inevitability on the near horizon
Title: Quadupeling output
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2018, 09:37:35 PM
Cianiotakis doubles his flyback output when he adds a second bucking coil; He could quadruple it by wrapping AA battery cores and running the "Reed Switch" along side the coils.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2018, 09:56:34 PM

Let's say we assembled 24 volts of 16 AA's in series, and another 12 volts from an additional 8, for a total of 24 AA's. This would yield 12 two battery coils.

The inductance has nothing to do with the voltage, so a 12 volt differential can be wired between the 16 and 8 battery arrays; While the inductance would be distributed equally between the 24 battery cores for the 12 volt "Reed Switch".
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 27, 2018, 10:03:29 PM
Have you considered placing that device into a box,
made of multilayered ferrous sheetmetal?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 29, 2018, 02:12:51 PM
@smOky2,


I ordered some "Reed Switches'. I want to try and oscillate a laminated transformer once I get them, in line with your logic.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: AlienGrey on January 29, 2018, 02:26:13 PM
Good greaf !  and what would that do ? why don't you sit down have a drink of your favorite toxin and think
just how it works or whats going on and replicate it electronically you might get some where!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2018, 01:52:11 PM
Good greaf !  and what would that do ? why don't you sit down have a drink of your favorite toxin and think
just how it works or whats going on and replicate it electronically you might get some where!

@AlienGray,

"Soft magnetic materials (materials that can easily be magnetized) come in many forms. For switchmode power supply flyback transformers and chokes, we would consider gapped ferrites, Iron powder, Permalloy powder (MPP), High Flux Powder, Fe-Si-Al Powder (Cool Mu and similar. In powder cores, the magnetic material is mixed with a non magnetic bonding material providing a distributed air gap, the mix density allows various permeability's to be obtained".

The test results indicate that the AA battery has a (Cool Mu) permeability suitable for "Flyback Transformer Core". The material has to magnetize and relinquish it's field also; Like a semi-conductor.


This makes the AA battery a cheap substitute for a costly alloy.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: AlienGrey on January 31, 2018, 02:37:25 PM
The problem with iron or soft iron is as Tesla said a good 100 years ago and still stands to day, it is only useful for wasting energy it gets hot and needs charging every half cycle in it's 'B' field, you really need specialist magnetic material to be of any use or you get huge losses, Regarding magnets in general you really need ceramic barium devices, Neo's die if they get hot where the former can be programed very easily if need be and regarding the AA battery's are you referring to the negative resistance of the 'zinc' ?

Tom Beardon and John Badini made some good videos 'energy from the vacuum' on collecting free energy folk really ought to find a copy and study it a few times people who are serious on these threads would learn a lot as i'm sure making devices that don't work can become expensive only to sling it in the bin at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2018, 03:10:45 PM
The problem with iron or soft iron is as Tesla said a good 100 years ago and still stands to day, it is only useful for wasting energy it gets hot and needs charging every half cycle in it's 'B' field, you really need specialist magnetic material to be of any use or you get huge losses, Regarding magnets in general you really need ceramic barium devices, Neo's die if they get hot where the former can be programed very easily if need be and regarding the AA battery's are you referring to the negative resistance of the 'zinc' ?

Tom Beardon and John Badini made some good videos 'energy from the vacuum' on collecting free energy folk really ought to find a copy and study it a few times people who are serious on these threads would learn a lot as i'm sure making devices that don't work can become expensive only to sling it in the bin at the end of the day.


@AlienGray,


This is interesting:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjV2qG3xO5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjV2qG3xO5o)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2018, 06:00:42 PM
Slayer hit the "Jackpot" with his solar light 1.5 AA, but "Lidmotor" couldn't get his to work. AA permeability is a hit and miss proposition. Inductance is an indicator of permeability; The higher the inductance the higher the permeability. 


The "Flyback output" of Slayer's Joule Thief is more a function of coil inductance and core permeability then input. Selecting a high perm AA battery by testing, then winding a fat coil around it like Slayer did, should be able to push the simple AA LED magnet oscillator over unity with little problem.


The mechanical oscillator can have a springy portion of the bulgy coil left over on one end to oscillate from the magnet underneath.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2018, 08:43:48 PM
CORE MATERIAL: All other factors being equal, the greater the magnetic permeability of the core which the coil is wrapped around, the greater the inductance; the less the permeability of the core, the less the inductance.


Measuring AA batteries directly for inductance is very simple if you have a meter. Finding a higher then average inductance AA is like discovering lost treasure. They measure pole to pole.  Higher then "Cool Mu Perm" is a pathway to over unity.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 31, 2018, 10:28:39 PM
I’m willing to bet it’s more a matter of the casing material


Easy to test with a gutted battery case


Then you can pick your battery by using a magnet
The ones that have a stronger/faster response will work better


But, I think it was mentioned above, semiconductor-grade ferrite
cores work the best.
The result of many years of material physics at work.



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 01, 2018, 03:42:55 AM

Slayer's third video in the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHCh0N5UQU
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 01, 2018, 04:01:51 AM

Have a look at "Lidmotor's" mechanical Joule thief:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U5lXqkoMzE
Title: AA inductance
Post by: synchro1 on February 01, 2018, 03:16:03 PM
Here's a picture of an inductance measure of an air core coil. The same coil was wrapped and measured for inductance around the two AA batteries in the picture: One, a Radioshack alkaline and the other a Duracell Quantum.

The inductance of the copper coil around the Duracell was 170 mH and around the RadioShack merely 70 mH. This invisible difference in inductance is enormous. It comes down to lighting over twice the amount of LED's for the same input with the Duracell core.
Title: Ludic science mechanical "Joule Thief".
Post by: synchro1 on February 02, 2018, 12:41:33 AM
Here's an interesting version of Lidmotor's mechanical oscillator; Winding a AA  "Duracell Quantum" copper top battery with a copper wire coil would increase the backspike output tremendously: Ludic states the frequency of this model is 500 Hertz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHmTc0PwiyY (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiHmTc0PwiyY)


The challenge is to oscillate the contact between two positive poles of multipal swapper batteries.
Title: AA neutralization pulse.
Post by: synchro1 on February 02, 2018, 02:57:29 PM
One can easily see how the AA can be turned to a neutralization pulse coil with the addition of magnets on both ends of the battery. This arrangement would require a commutator to separate the flyback output from the regauging output generated by the reappearing permanent magnet field.

My tests have shown that the operating frequency needs to slow down to 1 or 2 Hertz to harvest the regauging output; Therefore the magnets and pulse coil need to grow over sized to compare with the flyback gain.

2 tiny magnets on a AA battery would not match the flyback output alone up in the 500 Hertz range.

The pay dirt appears to be in splitting the positive on the AA higher frequency scale as George Cianiotakis demonstrated in his plasma reed OU video.

The best approach looks like the high perm AA core boost converter powered by split positive power source.

A 9 volt and 2 AA in series doubling as flyback inductor cores, would yield a 6 volt differential.
Title: AA core Electromechanical split positive boost converter.
Post by: synchro1 on February 02, 2018, 04:27:37 PM
Ludic science has a magnet oscillator coil of 4 turns around a tiny Neo disk, that makes contact with the negative pole through the inductor. The split positive version would use this "Ludic Contact" to run from the positive pole of the 9 volt battery to the bottom end of the AA battery coil that attaches to the positive electrode of the AA's overhead. The negative poles would be attached to each other. The thin gauge flyback output leads would attach to both ends of the AA coil. This is a cheap Over Unity design that anyone can build at home for peanuts.
Title: Split positive oscillation.
Post by: synchro1 on February 03, 2018, 06:28:36 PM
I succeeded with the "Ludic Science" magnet coil trigger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLDfC6aPFM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COLDfC6aPFM)


This was just a first attempt to act as proof of concept. This attempt leaves enough room for improvement.
Title: Split positie oscillator video.
Post by: synchro1 on February 04, 2018, 12:54:57 AM
In the video above, a red clip wire can be seen running from the positive pole of the primary Duracell AA on the left, to the start of the jumper coil. This wire would be replaced by a copper wire inductor wrapped around the Duracell. One end of the coil would attach to the positive electrode of the AA and the other end to the start of the "Jumper Coil".

The main LED load would be powered by flyback output from the AA coil through thin wire leads attached to the ends of the coil like my original magnet battery oscillator.

This "Mechanical Joule Thief" setup uses two semi novel approaches from (LOstFox and Slayer): One, the split positive to conserve the pulse and extend run time, and the other; The high perm AA battery coil core that increases inductance and magnifies the flyback output to the reverse biased multiple LED bank.
Title: Split positive oscillation video.
Post by: synchro1 on February 05, 2018, 03:13:37 PM
The 12 volt battery in the video measured 5 1/2 volts at the time of testing. The primary AA 1 1/2 volts. The voltage measured from the top of the primary AA was additive at 7 volts. The voltage on the second AA 1 1/2 volts again; That yields a 5 1/2 volt differential.

Adding a second AA in series with the primary AA would increase the differential to 7 volts. The greater the differential the more powerful the oscillation.

Doubling the length of the flyback inductor around two AA battery cores would double the output to the LED's for the same input, along with increasing the differential.


Inductors in series act as resistors in series and are simply additive.

Adding primary AA batteries in series along with the inductors does not have to result in too long and ungainly a core coil. The AA's can be positioned side by side; Both the battery electrodes and copper coils need to be connected to each other end to end. Imagine a cube of 9 AA's in series for the primary!

9 AA's would deliver 13 1/2 volts; This would create a 12 volt differential between them and the positive electrode of a 10th AA; Nearly twice the strength of the video setup differential.

The additional feature involves the advantage the 9 high perm AA coil cores, and the increased inductance of the nine flyback output coils in series!

What's happening to the COP of this oscillating boost converter? It's doubling and quadrupling along with the rising differential!
Title: "Energizer Rechargeable".
Post by: synchro1 on February 05, 2018, 07:30:50 PM
I measured the AA "Energizer Rechargeable", and it has the same 3.5 to 1 advantage in inductance increase over the air core as the Duracell Quantum.

I calculate the permeability of these two AA's at 350.

Inductance of a copper coil is a coefficient of Ohms over Henries. Increasing inductance by adding copper windings increases Ohmic resistance and increases the impedance. Increasing inductance through core perm avoids this drawback.

Lasersaber abandoned his "Super Joule Ringer" because our ferrite core manufacturer raised the price on the product after he invented it. His ferrite core had a permeability of 1000. The high cost of the product grew prohibitive.

Akula's self runner has a 4" diameter pot core with a light internal winding. That's the ticket! Inductance through core perm rather then increased copper coil windings.

The "Energizer Rechargeable" is the best AA battery of choice for the "Mega Super Joule Ringer" with a AA core perm of 350. One layer of copper windings would reduce Ohms and keep impedance down to a minimum.

Naturally, the rechargeable AA will allow us to rotate the charged battery by Tesla switch indefinitely.
Title: MSJR
Post by: synchro1 on February 07, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
The "MSJR" is an acronym for the "Mega Super Joule Ringer". Below I have schematics for Lasersaber's Joule Ringer 3, and Stafford's 3 battery system:

12 AA Energex rechargeable's wrapped bifilar and divided into 3 banks of 4 would permit us to replace the mechanical oscillator with a transistor and use Stafford's off the shelf switch system:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 22, 2018, 12:02:42 PM
I can't seem to get anyone to understand what's going on with this thread topic. This is for ramset, TK and smOky2 :

Everyone can understand how the AA battery behaves like a ferrite core. I show an oscillator with 2 AA's in series attached to a 1" Neo magnet sphere and wrapped with a coil.

The inductance of the copper coil around the batteries with the magnet attached is lower then the inductance of the coil with no magnet attached. The Neo magnet sphere partially saturates the AA batteries and lowers the inductance of the coil. This is called "Negative Inductance".

Imagine we add additional magnets to the battery untill the inductance of the AA coil dropped to zero. We would read zero on the digital inductance meter right?

Let's say we add one more magnet. What happens to the reading on the inductance meter? It produces a negative value, because now the inductor core is past saturation and no longer a core but a weak magnet.   
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 22, 2018, 02:05:17 PM
@Tinselkoala,

I know I got your attention over there on the SMOT thread. You discovered the "Inverse Henry" value in your research.

Now pay close attention because if you can't catch on to what I'm teaching you I'm going to throw the towel in on you for good.

You have run countless tests comparing the input fields between the serial bifilar and single wire coil and come up with no difference along with the old Milehigh who's uploading comments on this web site under a new alias.

The comparison needs to be between the serial bifilar's spontaneous field that accrues through self resonant oscillation and the input field in the single wire coil. This is no mystery and the comparison tests have been run by doctoral students at MIT for decades. You never understood their published results because you're not a physics major, you're an electrical engineer.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2018, 03:37:06 PM
Synchro

appologeeze for my ignorance of your terms or there application/implications on the Bench .
can you summarize  the benefit  of your claim in Layman's terms [Or MIT's claim Or ? ?
and perhaps link to one of your Videos that shows how you support this explanation/Claim ?


sincerely
Chet K
PS there are many here who cannot follow or are unaware of your claim, the words...Math and terms are not what I am
asking to understand


real world on the bench result /explanation showing the advantage, with an example of how you come to this conclusion?

PPS
Synchro
I see you posted a Vid below
to be fair I am Swamped in the Shop ATM and will dedicate some time tonight [as well as ask others for input
Much appreciated











Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 22, 2018, 04:01:12 PM
@ramset,

View this video and I'll see if I can help you understand it if you have any questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kOQr7hZA70 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kOQr7hZA70)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 22, 2018, 06:45:19 PM
Allen
Quickly looked at the Vid during lunch [not the whole thing yet]
I see it is a fellow who does not allow comments ...[many here consider that an issue or big red flag] and the experiment is in an area which really requires enormous understanding of all the possible variables [measurements and such]

the good news

 there is about to be a very extensive attempt to investigate a theory ,a theory based on solid scientific .....errr possibilities.. by several members here.
similar [vaguely] to the above video ....


and proper measurements will be at the very top of the To do list .

being sure that all input energy is accounted for and no erroneous assumptions are made such as environmental or background smog contributing to OUTput [unaware]

strict measurement protocols  are imperative in such experiments !!
and a daunting task to say the least.

is there no simpler "energy in ".. "energy out"  Video or claim you might offer for members to replicate here ?? to see or witness your claim?

a tesla coils is like a hurricane ...its reach and effects are hard to measure or qualify [with quality measurement protocols].
------------
On the upcoming experiments

many here are looking forward to this investigation ....

I am not certain where these upcoming experiments will happen as some builders here Chose to avoid the nonsensical attacks than can happen at this forum .....  plus attempts by other members who have never performed the experiments to posture themselves as specialists .

and then there are others who make all manner of assumptions based on terrible measurement protocols .

Not sure "yet" if your posted vid falls into the poor measurement  category ..
although I would imagine the upcoming tests will cover many assorted claims ..

no stone left unturned.

I SHOULD ADD

 there will certainly be a spot where these experiments will be shared here.

as this is an open source forum and the work is open source [the only kind of work to bother with IMO].

respectfully
Chet K



 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 22, 2018, 09:37:41 PM
@chet


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_impedance_converter (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_impedance_converter)


When you have time for a read


This will help testing this sort of thing.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 22, 2018, 11:20:07 PM
@ramset,

Thank you for helping pay serious attention to my problem. I'm only a little guy.

I'm getting excellent results dropping the inductance from a .320 mH inductor choke down to close to nothing with a ceramic magnet sandwich. I'll be uploading a video shortly.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 02:18:47 AM
O.K. I did it! Hooray! I'll wait for the morning to film and upload the video. I have a 10 loop thick uninsulated copper coil that measures .001 mH in the positive range with a small ferrite core, and in the negative range with the core removed with both the electrodes in place or reversed. This negative inductance reading indicates the presence of a minute magnetic field in the copper coil.


The .320 mH choke reduces to .050 mH with 4 ceramic magnets attached. I'll show both effects tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
@ramset,

Here's the video I promised. I hope this helps:

https://youtu.be/Yoqct2EdM4g (https://youtu.be/Yoqct2EdM4g)

This video demonstrates the value of the "Inverse Henry".
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 05:09:14 PM
Anyone remember Tinklecornola's Evostar's thread diatribe last year denying that the "Inverse Henry" was identical to the value measured by Synchro1's inductance meter in the video above?

Everyone can trust this crank to help explain "Flyback", right?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2018, 05:31:37 PM
Synchro
perhaps instead of remembering it would be better to explain /summarize the claim right here right now
and move forward not backward...


what does an inverse henry do on the bench that makes it valuable ?


not looking to Fight
Just understand


and it was Lunch break....


respectfully
Chet K















Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 06:01:16 PM
Synchro
perhaps instead of remembering it would be better to explain /summarize the claim right here right now
and move forward not backward...


what does an inverse henry do on the bench that makes it valuable ?


not looking to Fight
Just understand


and it was Lunch break....


respectfully
Chet K


@ramset,

What I demonstrated in the video is a "Mag Amp". This kind of coil and variable ferrite core acts as a transistor base for magnetic current, not electrical.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: partzman on February 23, 2018, 06:06:25 PM
@ramset,

Here's the video I promised. I hope this helps:

https://youtu.be/Yoqct2EdM4g (https://youtu.be/Yoqct2EdM4g)

This video demonstrates the value of the "Inverse Henry".

Hi synchro,

I watched your video with interest but there is one question that I have.  Are you sure that your inductance meter is zeroed during this demo?  One simple way to tell is to short across the copper coil with a jumper while it is attached to the meter and see if the reading is still negative or actually goes to zero.

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 06:52:35 PM
Hi synchro,

I watched your video with interest but there is one question that I have.  Are you sure that your inductance meter is zeroed during this demo?  One simple way to tell is to short across the copper coil with a jumper while it is attached to the meter and see if the reading is still negative or actually goes to zero.

Regards,
Pm

@partzman,

Good point. The answer is yes, I shorted and reset the meter numerous times to double check the zero point. The important feature is that the negative and positive range value are in direct proportion to the position of the ferrite core relative to the zero line.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: partzman on February 23, 2018, 08:13:33 PM
@partzman,

Good point. The answer is yes, I shorted and reset the meter numerous times to double check the zero point. The important feature is that the negative and positive range value are in direct proportion to the position of the ferrite core relative to the zero line.

synchro,

Yes, I assumed you had zeroed the meter at previous points in time.  My simple test was to confirm at the time of measurement (as in the video) that the meter hadn't drifted from any previous zeroing attempts.  This would be a definitive test that would convince any nay-sayers and would be great if it was video recorded!

Regards,
Pm
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 10:30:55 PM
synchro,

Yes, I assumed you had zeroed the meter at previous points in time.  My simple test was to confirm at the time of measurement (as in the video) that the meter hadn't drifted from any previous zeroing attempts.  This would be a definitive test that would convince any nay-sayers and would be great if it was video recorded!

Regards,
Pm


@partzman,


Maybe I'll re-run the test for you.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 10:40:17 PM
The magnetic field that is building in this Tesla serial bifilar coil twin spiral, is a dielectric "B" field between the windings, not an "H" field that is outside the coil. The internal field is not measurable by magnetometer like the compass needle Tinselkoala uses to demonstrate no difference between the bifilar and single wire coil. This internal dielectric field stores useable power as demonstrated by the "Old Scientist" in his bifilar gain video posted above. 

The internal field exerts magnetic compression on the wire loops like the ceramic magnets around the .320 mH choke in the video that reduces coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc&list=UUo9ItsUt0n5ayZlb5K_cwaA&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uP2xEKH4qdc&list=UUo9ItsUt0n5ayZlb5K_cwaA&index=20)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
Allen
Quote from: synchro
The internal field is not measurable by magnetometer like the compass needle Tinselkoala uses to demonstrate no difference between the bifilar and single wire coil. 
it would be better to leave other persons out of your discussions or better yet don't misrepresent the work of others
below is the only Video ever done By TinselKoala of a magnetic effect shown with a compass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk


Please put down the boxing gloves and just stick with the claim

you have plenty here who will listen to what your claim is ,no need to dredge up or misrepresent the work of others.

an effect on the bench and its benefit would be the way forward.

respectfully
Chet K

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 23, 2018, 11:40:37 PM
Allenit would be better to leave other persons out of your discussions or better yet don't misrepresent the work of others
below is the only Video ever done By TinselKoala of a magnetic effect shown with a compass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd5w8KhYrQk)


Please put down the boxing gloves and just stick with the claim

you have plenty here who will listen to what your claim is ,no need to dredge up or misrepresent the work of others.

an effect on the bench and its benefit would be the way forward.

respectfully
Chet K

@ramset,

Tinselkoala is measuring the "H" field not the "B" field. The "Inverse Henry" is the measure of the "B" field; Gauss the measure of the "H" field. There is a "Negative Henry" to gauss equivalency. The serial bifilar gain is in the "B" field.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 23, 2018, 11:55:40 PM
Syncchro
TinselKoala is showing how to pulse a coil and spin a compass

nothing more implied or claimed.

your comments below, are all your own and are never mentioned or inferred in the Video

@ramset,


Tinselkoala is measuring the "H" field not the "B" field.

---------------------------------------------------
here you have a real chance to get others to replicate

I must say feedback from everyone I have spoken with on this [FE builders not keyboard contributors]
Is VERY VERY Skeptical due to the nature of your demonstration and methods used to qualify your claim.

Immense possibility for measurement error [clip leads and meter artifacts ]

a bench demonstration repeatable by any builder showing a true gain mechanism would be conclusive.

anything else is just going to drag this out for another 5-10 years

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I must add, some are warming up the equipment in anticipation of a true Build anomaly [which as of this writing has not been shown].
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 12:14:40 AM
Syncchro
TinselKoala is showing how to pulse a coil and spin a compass

nothing more implied or claimed.

your comments below, are all your own and are never mentioned or inferred in the Video---------------------------------------------------
here you have a real chance to get others to replicate

I must say feedback from everyone I have spoken with on this [FE builders not keyboard contributors]
Is VERY VERY Skeptical due to the nature of your demonstration and methods used to qualify your claim.

Immense possibility for measurement error [clip leads and meter artifacts ]

a bench demonstration repeatable by any builder showing a true gain mechanism would be conclusive.

anything else is just going to drag this out for another 5-10 years

respectfully
Chet K
PS
I must add, some are warming up the equipment in anticipation of a true Build anomaly [which as of this writing has not been shown].


Stephen was Calvin Candie (http://djangounchained.wikia.com/wiki/Calvin_Candie)'s starkly loyal house slave and close friend.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 12:26:00 AM
Tinselkoala and ramset, Thamsanqa Jantije, the phony deaf sign interpreter from Mandala's funeral, and Stephen from "Django Unchained"; What a combination huh folks!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2018, 12:28:42 AM
and here you fall back to the lowest common denominator and easiest path [for you].


that is the second  racially insensitive and disparaging comment... to invoke humor??


this nonsense behavior is why persons don't interact with you... and ends up getting the eye of Administration and you end up being moderated.



why does it have to be this way ?




in 5 years you have made no further advancement to a table top demonstration of useful excess energy [with quality input measurements] to bolster this claim?


TO BE PERFECTLY CLEAR
if what you seem to be implying were true


it would be reproducible VERY VERY easily and absolutely be a gain mechanism on anyone's bench and it would change the world.


But you have no build for the builders to replicate to show this??





does that not strike you as odd?? [measurement errors are easy to manifest in this type of experiment...
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I see your comment below


Done











Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 12:30:16 AM
and here you fall back to the lowest common denominator and easiest path [for you].


this nonsense behavior is why persons don't interact with you and ends up getting the eye of Administration and you end up being moderated.[/size]



why does it have to be this way ?




in 5 years you have made no further advancement to a table top demonstration of useful excess energy?

@ranset,

Get off my thread!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 08:11:28 AM
@Synchro


The circuits I linked on the previous page can help give you a more definitive view.


You should also make sure there is not any residual magnetism in your alligator clips.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 09:01:30 AM
@Synchro


The circuits I linked on the previous page can help give you a more definitive view.


You should also make sure there is not any residual magnetism in your alligator clips.


@smoKy2,

The NIC is an Op Amp circuit. The Op Amp is an integrated circuit. The last two examples are negative capacitance followed by negative inductance. The difference is the reversal of the inductor and capacitor position in the feedback loop. I don't believe the negative inductance application the author's talking about is the "Inverse Henry" that we measure with the inductance meter, but a value that applies to the function of the Op Amp.

The pertinent question is; Let's say your correct about a magnetic field in the alligator clips, "Is the magnetic field in the clips a value measured by the inductance meter in the negative range"?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 09:22:32 AM
@smoKey2,

Definition of "Inverse Henry" from Wikipedia:

"Magnetic reluctance, or magnetic resistance, is a concept used in the analysis of magnetic circuits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_circuit). It is analogous to resistance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistance) in an electrical (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical) circuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_network) , but rather than dissipating electric energy it stores magnetic energy. In likeness to the way an electric field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field) causes an electric current (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_current) to follow the path of least resistance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_of_least_resistance) , a magnetic field (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field) causes magnetic flux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_flux) to follow the path of least magnetic reluctance. It is a scalar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics)) extensive quantity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensive_and_extensive_properties#Extensive_properties), akin to electrical resistance. The unit for magnetic reluctance is inverse Henry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_(unit))".

Magnetic reluctance stores magnetic energy, and it's unit is the "Inverse Henry". My assertion is that the measure of Henry's in the negative range by the digital meter is the measure of a stored magnetic field, and identical to the "Inverse Henry".  Negative values have inverse corollaries.

The "Inverse Henry" is a unit for the storage of magnetic energy. I maintain that the "Negative Henry" we measure with our digital meter is a measure of magnetic energy as well, and an identical value. Tinselkoala denies there is a relationship between the "Inverse Henry" and the "Negative Henry". People respect him as a legitimate authority while I regard him as an outrageous crank.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 24, 2018, 03:43:54 PM
Allen
your words are going over everyone's head ,most can't follow your  WORDS here

too many different languages and even those of us who speak the same language often have misunderstandings .

what they can follow are results on the bench ,unfortunately you are showing something almost everyone who touches a meter here sees all the time

a minus sign when there shouldn't be one....
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what do your words mean on the bench??

I  have heard suggestions from many builders here that your experiment if it were  not a meter artifact...
would be a gain mechanism in many very simple experiments.

Builders here have done many experiments

can you show one for them to build ?

words don't fly here , nor do minus signs on meters...anyone here can grab a meter and see minus signs


forget about the words for now
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 04:21:49 PM
Allen
your words are going over everyone's head ,most can't follow your  WORDS here

too many different languages and even those of us who speak the same language often have misunderstandings .

what they can follow are results on the bench ,unfortunately you are showing something almost everyone who touches a meter here sees all the time

a minus sign when there shouldn't be one....
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

what do your words mean on the bench??

I  have heard suggestions from many builders here that your experiment if it were  not a meter artifact...
would be a gain mechanism in many very simple experiments.

Builders here have done many experiments

can you show one for them to build ?

words don't fly here , nor do minus signs on meters...anyone here can grab a meter and see minus signs


forget about the words for now


@ramset,


I told you to get off my thread!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 04:22:51 PM
Quote from Vladimir Utkin:

"BI-FILAR PANCAKE COIL –The voltage between adjacent turns in an ordinary coil is very low, and so their ability to generate additional energy is not good. Consequently, you need to raise the voltage between adjacent turns in an inductor. Method: divide the inductor into separate parts, and position the turns of the first part in between the turns of the second part, and then connect end of the first coil to the beginning of the second coil. When you do that, the voltage between adjacent turns will be the same as the voltage between the ends of the whole coil !!! Next step – rearrange the position of the magnetic and electric fields in the way needed for applying amplifying energy (as described above). The method for doing this is – the flat pancake coil where the magnetic and electric fields are arranged in exactly the way needed for amplifying energy.


Now, it is clear why Tesla always said that his bi-filar pancake coil was an energy-amplifying coil !!!

REMARK: for the best charging of the natural self-capacitance of the coil, you have to use electric pulses which are as short as possible, because the displacement current as shown in Maxwell’s equation, depends to a major degree on the speed of the change in the magnetic field".
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 04:38:48 PM
Quote from Utkin:

"Definitions of Physics:
Any conductor has both inductance and capacitance, that is, the ability to accumulate charge on it’s surface. A charge on the surface of a conductor creates an electric field (electrostatic field). The potential (voltage) at any point of the electric field is a scalar quantity!!! (That is, it is a scalar electric field ...)".


If the electric charge of the conductor varies with time, then the electrostatic field will also vary with time, resulting in the appearance of the magnetic field component:"
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 04:42:15 PM

@smoKy2,

The NIC is an Op Amp circuit. The Op Amp is an integrated circuit. The last two examples are negative capacitance followed by negative inductance. The difference is the reversal of the inductor and capacitor position in the feedback loop. I don't believe the negative inductance application the author's talking about is the "Inverse Henry" that we measure with the inductance meter, but a value that applies to the function of the Op Amp.

The pertinent question is; Let's say your correct about a magnetic field in the alligator clips, "Is the magnetic field in the clips a value measured by the inductance meter in the negative range"?


The INIC (not VNIC) is the tool used for proper circuit analysis
of a negative inductance.
Eliminates measurement errors.


And having magnetized alligator clips can CAUSE measurement errors
because of the way the meter measures inductance.


The way you were playing with that choke, it is likely that you magnetized them.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 04:44:54 PM

The INIC (not VNIC) is the tool used for proper circuit analysis
of a negative inductance.
Eliminates measurement errors.


And having magnetized alligator clips can CAUSE measurement errors
because of the way the meter measures inductance.


The way you were playing with that choke, it is likely that you magnetized them.


@smOky2,

The choke reads normal rated inductance immediately after the magnets are removed.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 04:51:19 PM
Here’s another simple test
Apply a voltage across the inductor


Using the measured ohmic resistance, calculate the current.


Next, using the inductance formula, calculate the current
by inserting the (negative) value you measured for inductance.


Next, measure the actual current.


Here’s a circuit that will help you understand what negative inductance
is.

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 04:52:58 PM

@smOky2,

The choke reads normal rated inductance immediately after the magnets are removed.


Wrong


It measures outside of its rated tolerance.
Did you never question “why”?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 05:02:16 PM

Wrong


It measures outside of its rated tolerance.
Did you never question “why”?

@smOky2,

The issue here is whether the inductance meter measures an "Inverse Henry" or not.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 05:07:07 PM
@smOky2,

The issue here is whether the inductance meter measures an "Inverse Henry" or not.


If the meter is giving you a false reading it would explain both the negative value
it is showing you on a normal copper wire inductor


As well as the false reading on the choke.


I’m not arguing against the magnetic field reducing the inductance
This is an obvious effect.
But for it to go negative, means you are inducing a reverse current.
and I don’t believe this to be the case with what you have shown.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 05:10:57 PM
I say that because the DMM you use is a voltage-biased device
and it shouldn’t even be able to induce a reverse current to give that
measurement, in an unpowered circuit.


The circuit I posted will help you.


Swapping the clip leads with ones you know have not been magnetized
may also clear things up
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 05:20:40 PM
I say that because the DMM you use is a voltage-biased device
and it shouldn’t even be able to induce a reverse current to give that
measurement, in an unpowered circuit.


The circuit I posted will help you.

@smOky2,

The meter is not measuring a reverse current it's measuring the presence of magnetic energy.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
@smOky2,

The meter is not measuring a reverse current it's measuring the presence of magnetic energy.


It is measurzing the voltage and current, from a dc-to-ac converter
and making a calculation based on the phase angle and corresponding impedance.


It cannot make any distinction between the true inductance and the capacitive aspect.
Nor can it display the actual effects of applied magnetism.

I didn’t say it was measuring a reverse current, I said if there was really a negative
inductance, it would be INDUCING a reverse current.
(which would support your claims about the readings, but may be outside the capabilities of your meter)
 

You could ignore this information and continue to delude yourself...
Or you could make an effort to make accurate measurements.
The choice is ultimately yours to make.


A matched LCR bridge circuit can give you accurate readings
however, these will fail in the case of true negative inductance.
For this you have to also include the circuit above (or equivalent)
with the bridge.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 07:58:17 PM

It is measurzing the voltage and current, from a dc-to-ac converter
and making a calculation based on the phase angle and corresponding impedance.


It cannot make any distinction between the true inductance and the capacitive aspect.
Nor can it display the actual effects of applied magnetism.

I didn’t say it was measuring a reverse current, I said if there was really a negative
inductance, it would be INDUCING a reverse current.
(which would support your claims about the readings, but may be outside the capabilities of your meter)
 

You could ignore this information and continue to delude yourself...
Or you could make an effort to make accurate measurements.
The choice is ultimately yours to make.


A matched LCR bridge circuit can give you accurate readings
however, these will fail in the case of true negative inductance.
For this you have to also include the circuit above (or equivalent)
with the bridge.


@smOky2,


This is the first time anyone has offered an alternative explanation to my theory that makes sense.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 08:48:03 PM
@smOky2,

Why do you feel the negative inductance reading is cascading in the bifilar when it stays unchanged in the single wire?



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 09:25:23 PM
@smOky2,

What's the definition of a Henry of Inductance? 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 10:59:46 PM
@smOky2,

I'm willing to accept your explanation only so far because if you look at this quote below, perhaps you can tell me what you think the author's talking about when he states that "the inductance will measure as a negative inductance when the meter is set to measure inductance"? The author is implying that the negative inductance measure is as reliable as a positive capacitance measure.

"Above that frequency, if the meter is still set to measure inductance, it will measure as a negative inductance. If the meter setting is changed to measure capacitance, then it will measure a positive capacitance". Mar 30, 2004


The author is referring to the NIC Op Amp negative inductance circuit you posted.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 24, 2018, 11:23:10 PM
@smOky2,

What's the definition of a Henry of Inductance?


When you store and release a magnetic field in an inductor
it is the inductors tendency to resist a change in current.


It can also be defined by flux/current for each unit time


Or
Kg m^2/s^2A^2


For this value to be (-) means you have an inversion of
electromotive force (I.e. reverse current)

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 24, 2018, 11:44:58 PM

When you store and release a magnetic field in an inductor
it is the inductors tendency to resist a change in current.


It can also be defined by flux/current for each unit time


Or
Kg m^2/s^2A^2


For this value to be (-) means you have an inversion of
electromotive force (I.e. reverse current)


@smOky2, Citfta,

I built a copper wire coil with a variable ferrite core I showed in a video above. I positioned the core in the coil to measure zero inductance with my inductance meter. When I move the ferrite core out one centimeter, the inductance measures negative .001 mH. When I move it out two centimeters, it reads negative .002 mH. Now when I reset it to read zero, then move it in one centimeter it reads positive .001 mH and when I move it in again another centimeter it reads positive .002 mH.

Now are you two maintaining that the negative reading has no value over the positive one as a core locator? 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 12:10:52 AM
About the quote:
I would have to see that in full context to know what is being said.






Your coil, when the core is inserted forms an
inductive rheostat, or variable inductor



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 12:13:48 AM
If you don’t have another set of clip leads
You can make leads from copper wire to take a reading
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 12:25:24 AM
If you don’t have another set of clip leads
You can make leads from copper wire to take a reading

@smOky2,

Why should I do a stupid job like that for you?


Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 12:26:56 AM
@smOky2,

Why should I do a stupid job like that for you?


it’s not for me


I don’t care
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 12:28:57 AM

it’s not for me


I don’t care

@smOky2,

I'll bet you any amount of money it won't make any difference. Look, it's the position of the ferrite core that determines the polarity of the inductance reading. It's not going to make any difference if I cut the clips off my attaching wires.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 12:44:58 AM
@smOky2,

I'll bet you any amount of money it won't make any difference.


The only difference it would make is eliminating one possibility for error.
It still doesn’t rule out a faulty component inside the meter.
But it is a start.


which, at this point, eliminating as many errors as you can
should be your goal if you want to prove that you have
actually created a negative inductance.


NOT doing so would mean that you aren’t willing to look for errors in measurement.
So the question would be why are you bothering to measure at all?


why is it that you think your magic piece of copper is showing a (-) value?
did you “do something” to the coil prior to measuring it?


Have you taken a measurement using a different meter to verify this at all?
Surely you know someone else with a meter.....



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 01:28:41 AM

The only difference it would make is eliminating one possibility for error.
It still doesn’t rule out a faulty component inside the meter.
But it is a start.


which, at this point, eliminating as many errors as you can
should be your goal if you want to prove that you have
actually created a negative inductance.


NOT doing so would mean that you aren’t willing to look for errors in measurement.
So the question would be why are you bothering to measure at all?


why is it that you think your magic piece of copper is showing a (-) value?
did you “do something” to the coil prior to measuring it?


Have you taken a measurement using a different meter to verify this at all?
Surely you know someone else with a meter.....

@smOky2,

Your missing the point. I found a way to reverse inductance polarity with an analog tool. We can plot a distance in negative henries. The possibilities are limitless. The polarity reversal and incremental calibration together amount to a precision measuring instrument. We're not dealing with a meaningless value that is the result of meter error.

This negative inductance measure is telling us something significant about Tesla's serial bifilar coil. The measurement is not junk data. The cascading nature of the value is an indication of free energy. I believe it's important we pin it down and not dismiss it prematurly as some kind of fluke.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 01:34:34 AM
So you keep saying


The inductive rheostat in my photo above is older than all of us.
Why has no one else made these claims?


Not to mention your (-) reading with no core


What is different with your coil and one I wind myself?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 01:36:24 AM
More importantly, how can I make mine, like yours?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 01:52:40 AM
Why are you unwilling to verify the accuracy of your own measurements?


Do you understand the implications of having negative mass*meters per time*area?
Or why the circuit I posted is important to you?


You’ve posted 10 pages of hooplah


But are unwilling to check a pair of alligator clips......
Or a possible biasing error in your meter

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 03:29:24 AM
Saying you have negative inductance is like saying you have a glass that has less than zero water in it.  You can't have negative inductance anymore than you can have a negative gallon of water or negative capacitance.  It just doesn't make sense.

Here is a video that proves that synchro1's insistence that current reverses on removing power from a coil is also wrong.

https://youtu.be/IGRt0Kg55Sc

None of us were born with any electronic knowledge.  We all had to learn from somewhere.  Many of us learned from our hands on experience and combined that with what we learned from our peers.  Some were even fortunate enough to learn from an educational system that actually taught the truth.  Some have learned well from books.  And some refuse to learn from any source at all because they are convinced they already know what they need to know.  I surely pity them.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: tinman on February 25, 2018, 04:01:55 AM
Saying you have negative inductance is like saying you have a glass that has less than zero water in it.  You can't have negative inductance anymore than you can have a negative gallon of water or negative capacitance.  It just doesn't make sense.

Here is a video that proves that synchro1's insistence that current reverses on removing power from a coil is also wrong.

https://youtu.be/IGRt0Kg55Sc

None of us were born with any electronic knowledge.  We all had to learn from somewhere.  Many of us learned from our hands on experience and combined that with what we learned from our peers.  Some were even fortunate enough to learn from an educational system that actually taught the truth.  Some have learned well from books.  And some refuse to learn from any source at all because they are convinced they already know what they need to know.  I surely pity them.

Respectfully,
Carroll

Great video Carroll,but do you get the feeling that it will fall on deaf ears?

Sometimes we just have to let people walk there own path.

A negative resistor would become a power supply/battery.
You could just build a negative impedance converter--that would get  synchro1's juices flowing lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 25, 2018, 04:06:05 AM
I showed him how, he wasn’t interested
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 04:10:31 AM
Great video Carroll,but do you get the feeling that it will fall on deaf ears?

Sometimes we just have to let people walk there own path.

A negative resistor would become a power supply/battery.
You could just build a negative impedance converter--that would get  synchro1's juices flowing lol.


Brad

Hi Brad,

Yes I am pretty sure it will fall on the deaf ears of some.  I posted it mostly for the benefit of those who have been totally confused by all the misleading information posted in this thread.

Take care,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 09:22:57 AM
Negative Impedance Converter=(NIC)  AKA  Negative Resistor Converter=(NRC) two acronyms for the same Op Amp circuit.

"This a wacky circuit"

"Ordinary resistors, which obey Ohms law in a simple way, drop a voltage across their terminals when a current flows and dissipate power that is lost as heat, according to the well known equation P = IV. When a current is pushed through a resistor, a voltage is dropped across the resistor and heat is still lost through the same mechanism. However, when our hypothetical device, which we will call a negative resistance converter, or NRC, has a voltage drop across it, a current flows through it in the opposite direction: from low to high voltage".

Not only does current flow from low to high voltage in this circuit, the capacitor behaves like an inductor and the inductor behaves like a capacitor.

The fact that we can build a circuit that reverses all known laws of electronics proves that perhaps the effect measured by me in my "Twin Serial Bifilar Spiral Coil" is real and not the result of instrument malfunction.

Behaving like an NIC, the coil is acting like a capacitor, but there's no power input. I believe power is flowing into the coil from a "Zero Point Energy" source that's substituting for a ground. There's a reaction going on inside the coil that's ceaseless. The NIC acts like it's generating energy (Exactly backwards) when it's attached to a load, but it has a power source. The "Quadfilar Spiral" appears to be drawing power in from the vacuum of space that registers as a negative value in inductance and is infinite.

Rather then build an NIC, I believe it would be better to build additional "Quadfilar Spiral" coils to experiment on. John Bedini used Quadfilar coils in his "Ferris wheel" motor that ran perpetually with no input. He contacted me because he believed my research impeded his patent application on the coil, and I informed him I was willing to relinquish any claim on the invention. Bedini left no specific schematic of his "Ferris wheel" circuit, but supplied us with some sketchy outlines.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 12:05:49 PM
Negative Impedance Converter=(NIC)  AKA  Negative Resistor Converter=(NRC) two acronyms for the same Op Amp circuit.

"This a wacky circuit"

"Ordinary resistors, which obey Ohms law in a simple way, drop a voltage across their terminals when a current flows and dissipate power that is lost as heat, according to the well known equation P = IV. When a current is pushed through a resistor, a voltage is dropped across the resistor and heat is still lost through the same mechanism. However, when our hypothetical device, which we will call a negative resistance converter, or NRC, has a voltage drop across it, a current flows through it in the opposite direction: from low to high voltage".

Not only does current flow from low to high voltage in this circuit, the capacitor behaves like an inductor and the inductor behaves like a capacitor.

The fact that we can build a circuit that reverses all known laws of electronics proves that perhaps the effect measured by me in my "Twin Serial Bifilar Spiral Coil" is real and not the result of instrument malfunction.

Behaving like an NIC, the coil is acting like a capacitor, but there's no power input. I believe power is flowing into the coil from a "Zero Point Energy" source that's substituting for a ground. There's a reaction going on inside the coil that's ceaseless. The NIC acts like it's generating energy (Exactly backwards) when it's attached to a load, but it has a power source. The "Quadfilar Spiral" appears to be drawing power in from the vacuum of space that registers as a negative value in inductance and is infinite.

Rather then build an NIC, I believe it would be better to build additional "Quadfilar Spiral" coils to experiment on. John Bedini used Quadfilar coils in his "Ferris wheel" motor that ran perpetually with no input. He contacted me because he believed my research impeded his patent application on the coil, and I informed him I was willing to relinquish any claim on the invention. Bedini left no specific schematic of his "Ferris wheel" circuit, but supplied us with some sketchy outlines.

You put this in quotes.  So who are you quoting?  Where did this "Fantasy Island" statement come from?  What does a Quadfiler Spiral coil look like?  I was there when John Bedini demonstrated his "Ferris wheel" motor and the coils looked just like normal very large coils.

Why didn't you comment on my video?  Don't you see that there is no way for the current in a coil to reverse direction back into the supply?  The Leds clearly showed which way the current went when the power was removed from the coil.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 12:50:19 PM
Hi Erfinder,

I have a terrible memory when it comes to dates.  But it was the first conference.  At that time Rick Frederick was still with the Bedini camp.  I remember him taking hold of the edge of the wheel as it turned and it lifted him off the floor. 

Later,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: gyulasun on February 25, 2018, 12:52:13 PM
Here are two ebay offers on a high precision LC meter,  type LC100-S:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/121281538518  and  https://www.ebay.com/itm/180901471370

Both meters are shown to measure a 4 turn air core coil, see the attachments below. The croco clips can give a comparison between the sizes of the two slightly different coils, there is a small difference in the OD of the coils, in the wire diameter and in the distance between the adjacent turns, these explain the inductance difference between the two coils.

Notice in the technical description of the meter that the display should be reset to zero before doing any L or C measurements.

Now if you plug in a piece of ferrite rod into any such coil while under the measurement with this meter, then do you think the display will show zero or negative L value with any position of the ferrite core inserted into the coil?  I do not think.

You show a 12 turn air core coil in your video first which is measured by your L meter as -0.003 mH i.e. -3 uH. What do you think the LC meter above would show for your own air core coil first?
I do not think it would show a negative uH value. If a 4 turn air core coil as shown in the two cases measures positive uH values, than it is impossible for a 12 turn coil to have negative uH value. 

It is a question of the resolution capability of a meter. What is the smallest recommended uH value for your meter to distinguish?  For the LC meter type above it is able to measure 0.001 uH inductance as the smallest value (from its data sheet).  Your meter does not have a uH range, only mH, unfortunately.   

Gyula





@smOky2, Citfta,

I built a copper wire coil with a variable ferrite core I showed in a video above. I positioned the core in the coil to measure zero inductance with my inductance meter. When I move the ferrite core out one centimeter, the inductance measures negative .001 mH. When I move it out two centimeters, it reads negative .002 mH. Now when I reset it to read zero, then move it in one centimeter it reads positive .001 mH and when I move it in again another centimeter it reads positive .002 mH.

Now are you two maintaining that the negative reading has no value over the positive one as a core locator?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 01:54:33 PM

@smOky2, Citfta,

I built a copper wire coil with a variable ferrite core I showed in a video above. I positioned the core in the coil to measure zero inductance with my inductance meter. When I move the ferrite core out one centimeter, the inductance measures negative .001 mH. When I move it out two centimeters, it reads negative .002 mH. Now when I reset it to read zero, then move it in one centimeter it reads positive .001 mH and when I move it in again another centimeter it reads positive .002 mH.

Now are you two maintaining that the negative reading has no value over the positive one as a core locator?

I missed this post earlier.  I am impressed.  WOW  WOW WOW  You have given me a great idea that will save millions of dollars in research and will only cost a couple of minutes of time.  If I follow your logic all I need to do to create a negative resistor is the following.  I just connect a 10 ohm resistor to my meter and zero the meter.  Then I replace the 10 ohm resistor with a 5 ohm resistor and  HORAY,  I now have a negative resistor of 5 ohms.  Or maybe I can zero the meter for a 20 ohm resistor and then measure the 5 ohm resistor and get a 15 ohm negative resistor.  It is amazing the results you can get when you ignore the proper way to use test equipment.

YOU HAVE TO ZERO YOUR TEST EQUIPMENT THE PROPER WAY OR THE RESULTS MEAN NOTHING!!!

The misuse of test equipment is probably the number one reason so many people that actually know electronics consider free energy researchers to be a bunch of goofballs.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
Bedini's Quadfilars were large solenoid coils the size of oatmeal containers. The tiny capacitor in the video only charged to a specific mid-range level then it needed to be shorted before the spontaneous charging resumed. Bedini had his Quadfilars hooked up to small capacitors that dumped into larger ones.

Four wire off the shelf Radio Shack Intercom coil connected twin series bifilar:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XMfCpUzq_g)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 04:19:30 PM
I missed this post earlier.  I am impressed.  WOW  WOW WOW  You have given me a great idea that will save millions of dollars in research and will only cost a couple of minutes of time.  If I follow your logic all I need to do to create a negative resistor is the following.  I just connect a 10 ohm resistor to my meter and zero the meter.  Then I replace the 10 ohm resistor with a 5 ohm resistor and  HORAY,  I now have a negative resistor of 5 ohms.  Or maybe I can zero the meter for a 20 ohm resistor and then measure the 5 ohm resistor and get a 15 ohm negative resistor.  It is amazing the results you can get when you ignore the proper way to use test equipment.

YOU HAVE TO ZERO YOUR TEST EQUIPMENT THE PROPER WAY OR THE RESULTS MEAN NOTHING!!!

The misuse of test equipment is probably the number one reason so many people that actually know electronics consider free energy researchers to be a bunch of goofballs.

@Citfta,

I watched the first part of your video. It would probably help if you cleaned your bench up before you started grabbing your video. You impress as the kind of technician I could rely on to fasten a solid connection. I bet you framed the shop broom you pushed around for twenty years and mounted it over your mantelpiece.

Neutralization of self inductance is related to the absence of inductive kickback. Current runs from the ground to a destination of higher voltage in the Op Amp NRC.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 25, 2018, 05:06:38 PM
           "We need one censor and one censor only and that's the censor to censor censorship".

Paraphrase from Julius Ceasar.


If the heat's too hot in the kitchen, get out!



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 25, 2018, 06:51:50 PM
OOHH
there's all kinds of censoring

Screaming ,fighting ,threatening...Bigotry

all a form of self censorship ,people get out the ten foot pole and don't engage .

and there is the Self censorship of Claims which do not hold up under scrutiny ....
after 5 years ...
a claim which should change the world in the simplest of experiments [would be an amazing gain mechanism]


stop lighting fires around others to try and draw the attention from the elephant in the room.

post a schematic and an experiment which can be replicated....to help dismiss the obvious potential for Meter artifacts or erroneous input being the actual gain mechanism

a few dozen eyes [BUILDERS} are waiting...and hoping you have more than threats or words of wisdom to offer.

Yeah
I'll leave your thread

till the next time you ring...

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 25, 2018, 08:20:46 PM
Synchro,

Since you must not have liked my video then do the same exact video with your own Leds and coil and power source.  Then explain why the Leds clearly show that current DOES NOT reverse when power is disconnected from the coil.  I know why you won't do that and you do too, to borrow an expression from TK.  His videos and mine clearly show that current does NOT go back to the source when power is disconnected from the coil.  Do your own video and prove us wrong.  You can't and you know you can't so why stick to your mistaken idea?  Just admit you learned something and move on.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 01:07:02 AM
OOHH
there's all kinds of censoring

Screaming ,fighting ,threatening...Bigotry

all a form of self censorship ,people get out the ten foot pole and don't engage .

and there is the Self censorship of Claims which do not hold up under scrutiny ....
after 5 years ...
a claim which should change the world in the simplest of experiments [would be an amazing gain mechanism]


stop lighting fires around others to try and draw the attention from the elephant in the room.

post a schematic and an experiment which can be replicated....to help dismiss the obvious potential for Meter artifacts or erroneous input being the actual gain mechanism

a few dozen eyes [BUILDERS} are waiting...and hoping you have more than threats or words of wisdom to offer.

Yeah
I'll leave your thread

till the next time you ring...


@ramset,


Get off my thread and stay off my thread!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 01:08:19 AM
Synchro,

Since you must not have liked my video then do the same exact video with your own Leds and coil and power source.  Then explain why the Leds clearly show that current DOES NOT reverse when power is disconnected from the coil.  I know why you won't do that and you do too, to borrow an expression from TK.  His videos and mine clearly show that current does NOT go back to the source when power is disconnected from the coil.  Do your own video and prove us wrong.  You can't and you know you can't so why stick to your mistaken idea?  Just admit you learned something and move on.

Respectfully,
Carroll


@Citfta,

Here's the Hyperlink to the quote you requested.

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/negative-impedance-converters/ (https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/technical-articles/negative-impedance-converters/)

Current goes back to source if you send it there! Igor directs his flyback to source in his Reed switch video 2. You're just sending the flyback into the ground unnecessarily. You can't redirect the original pulse the same way Igor redirects his flyback. The inductive kickback is simply wasted by you because you're not channeling it correctly. Think about what Igor's doing with the inductive kickback in his video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk&t=19s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk&t=19s)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 26, 2018, 01:14:31 AM
It is pointless to continue this argument
The author clearly does not, and is unwilling to understand
what a “negative inductance” actually is.


He thinks he has done something because he tricked his cheap meter
into displaying a (-) sign.


And isn’t willing to attempt simple error eliminating processes.


If you notice, without our help, he seems happy ranting amongst himself....
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 02:07:18 AM
@smOky2,

I have a handful of builds on this thread that are legitimate. I do much more then just waste time the way do. You pay attention: (By the way, my VICI is a top of the line LCR meter. How dare you!)

I realized I can loop the flyback to my (High Inductance AA Energex Rechargeable Battery Core) "Mega Super Joule Ringer" simply by running an additional clip lead from my positive LED rail to the positive electrode of my two AA's in series; The same way Igor does with his Reed switch spinner 2.

This will yield an Overunity light because the looped flyback output would be a function of the core inductance not simply a return of source input.   
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
Everyone knows I am a former Navy pilot. I also maintain a sport fishing boat in a marina on the North Coast of California. A few months after the Fukushima earthquake, I realized we had three full scale melt downs in Japan. The reactor was irresponsibly designed with no containment dome. Tepco started cooling it with sea water from the Pacific Ocean. I went to google Earth and spotted a nice dome over the Kyoto soccer field I believed I could hover over the reactor site as a Coanda lift body. Once covered, and lined with heat deflecting tiles, it would have been possible to refrigerate the melt down piles with air conditioners. Still a viable plan, because Gunderson just informed us that sea life in the Pacific is dead.

I got on an airplane for Tokyo and wrote a letter to the editor in the Asahi Shimbum English speaking edition newspaper. Next I got a visit from the Japanese underworld Yakusa.

Someone mentioned that Bedini's "Ferris wheel" lifted him right off the ground. I'd bet money John was trying to incorporate a free energy power plant with his brother when their lives were cut short by just that kind of Ninja and a succinylcholine chloride pneumatic game syringes.

We have four billion hungry people who will starve if this wicked oligarchy continues to strangle our sea food off the Planet.

We need to follow through with my original plan to cover and air condition the Fukushima meltdown and stop poisoning our Pacific sea food chain with radioactive waste from cooling water that's discharged back into the Ocean.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 26, 2018, 02:20:25 PM
What happened?
With 4000 plus hours of my own life spent in aircraft A and P training before I was 18 years old ,I still check everything ten times
due to safety protocols and procedures instilled into Us by our FAA instructors.

and quality Blue prints /schematics and proper analysis of systems and errors require mandatory multiple fail safe checks and balances ,[check it thrice and have some one else check it too]

what happened to your training?? assumptions can give you or a lot of innocents an Unbirthday pretty quickly in the aircraft industry .




lets play by aircraft rules...[should be second nature with your training

Check it thrice

please forget the big words and math  and graphs ??

YOU are making a claim here..based on evidence from your own bench

lets check it thrice [replications] and see what happens ?

none reading here [that I am aware] has seen this result you claim [all have seen minus signs Tho].

Teach us...show us .... check it thrice.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Yes we have a big problem ATM on the planet ,thats why we're here
not to fight with each other,but to work with each other.

Chet K

PS
I really hope you chose to present an experiment which can be replicated here by the Dozens of builders reading this thread

your not dealing with MH anymore here [refusal to Pickup the soldering iron

anything less will just get you Self Censored [folks will walk away again and leave you be......

HOWEVER your historic fallback position of personal attacks and threats and starting flame wars  will definitely get you moderated here.
Stefan does not allow that behavior and it is written in this websites terms of service/use agreement
EDIT
Hmm
I see your post below

yes I will leave you be

GLADLY

there is absolutely no part of your demeanor or presentation that would last 2 seconds in the aircraft or aerospace industry.
and yet you Mock those who do the diligence required to bolster such a claim.

 








 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 02:29:51 PM
What happened?
With 4000 plus hours of my own life spent in aircraft A and P training before I was 18 years old ,I still check everything ten times
due to safety protocols and procedures instilled into Us by our FAA instructors.

and quality Blue prints /schematics and proper analysis of systems and errors require mandatory multiple fail safe checks and balances ,[check it thrice and have some one else check it too]

what happened to your training?? assumptions can give you or a lot of innocents an Unbirthday pretty quickly in the aircraft industry .




lets play by aircraft rules...[should be second nature with your training

Check it thrice

please forget the big words and math  and graphs [ BTW one Graph I noticed was a very poor choice to bolster a claim....?]

Yes we have a big problem ATM on the planet ,thats why we're here
not to fight with each other,but to work with each other.

Chet K

PS
I really hope you chose to present an experiment which can be replicated here by the Dozens of builders reading this thread

your not dealing with MH anymore here [refusal to Pickup the soldering iron

anything less will just get you Censored [folks will walk away again and leave you be......


@ramset,

Aren't you the crud I told four stinking times now to keep off my thread? You are an insipid moron!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: TinselKoala on February 26, 2018, 04:10:14 PM
A "Navy Pilot"? Who doesn't even understand Ground Effect? We've been through that before, to your total humiliation.  Let's see your DD214.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 26, 2018, 04:19:30 PM
A "Navy Pilot"? Who doesn't even understand Ground Effect? We've been through that before, to your total humiliation.  Let's see your DD214.

And Synchro says " My WHAT?"
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 26, 2018, 06:18:18 PM
Perhaps I can come up with a better solution


If anyone has an extra pair of alligator clips to waste


I’m giving myself about an 86% on that guess
And since he’s not willing to look at it


Maybe someone can go ahead and magnetize their clips
And “replicate” his (-) meter reading
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 26, 2018, 06:20:44 PM
As we saw with the magnetic choke
the magnetic impedance lowers the v/r relationship the meter uses
to calculate the value.


If his clips are magnetized the same would happen on the input leads
(seen it,done it on accident, kicked myself)

That’s why when I had my lab, all my leads were non-magnetic clip-probes


Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 07:03:16 PM
As we saw with the magnetic choke
the magnetic impedance lowers the v/r relationship the meter uses
to calculate the value.


If his clips are magnetized the same would happen on the input leads
(seen it,done it on accident, kicked myself)

That’s why when I had my lab, all my leads were non-magnetic clip-probes


@smOky2,

I have no plans to redo the video for you. The choke has a .320 mH rating and I show it dropping to .088 with a four ceramic magnet sandwich. You just have to take my word for it that the inductance immediately returns to it's rated value after the magnets are removed.

In addition, I can reduce the inductance by half again to .044 with the addition of two more ceramic magnets.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 26, 2018, 11:06:24 PM
Portrait of Augustus Snodgrass. He poses as the poet of the "Pickwick Papers" but never authors one line of verse.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 26, 2018, 11:44:19 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_impedance (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_impedance)


https://www.nature.com/articles/052087b0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/052087b0)


If you have no plans to eliminate the possibility
of your own errors....


Then the only solution is to duplicate your errors

Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 27, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
Smoky2,

It should be obvious to you by now that there is no way you will convince Synchro to admit his mistakes.  His ego is much too fragile for him to admit he might be wrong.  He will stick to his mistaken ideas no matter how many people prove he is wrong.  You are just wasting your time.  Let him go back to his useless monologue and just ignore him.

Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 12:15:04 AM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_impedance (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_impedance)


https://www.nature.com/articles/052087b0 (https://www.nature.com/articles/052087b0)


If you have no plans to eliminate the possibility
of your own errors....


Then the only solution is to duplicate your errors


@smOky2,


Thanks for the Hyperlinks.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
Smoky2,

It should be obvious to you by now that there is no way you will convince Synchro to admit his mistakes.  His ego is much too fragile for him to admit he might be wrong.  He will stick to his mistaken ideas no matter how many people prove he is wrong.  You are just wasting your time.  Let him go back to his useless monologue and just ignore him.

Respectfully,
Carroll


@Citfta,

You watched Igor's "Reed switch spinner 2" video correct? You call him "some guy", you say he's got his LED hooked up backwards and no power travels into the battery. First of all, how do you explain the steep drop in battery voltage when he removes the LED?

Secondly, have you ever measured the voltage in the single AA battery in a three battery system with two AA's on the other side and where the positives are connected by and illuminating an LED? 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 27, 2018, 09:23:07 AM
try it with a small dc motor
It gets fun like a joule thief




then you can switch them around dozens of times
and cycle it back and forth
and say ooh look my motor is running
and a week or so later you have 3 dead batteries



Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 10:00:04 AM
try it with a small dc motor
It gets fun like a joule thief




then you can switch them around dozens of times
and cycle it back and forth
and say ooh look my motor is running
and a week or so later you have 3 dead batteries

@smoky2,

Igor Moroz is not producing a dead battery in his "Reed Switch Spinner 2" video. Citfta denies there's any power at all reaching the source battery from the inductive kickback through the LED. Citfta's the one who is wrong and won't admit it!
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Thaelin on February 27, 2018, 10:02:23 AM
>Gotcha...the 2010 machine unveiling.....  I was there too....<
  What a small world, so was I. Mostly there just to meet John and Rick.

thay
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: tinman on February 27, 2018, 12:02:12 PM
@smoky2,

Igor Moroz is not producing a dead battery in his "Reed Switch Spinner 2" video. Citfta denies there's any power at all reaching the source battery from the inductive kickback through the LED. Citfta's the one who is wrong and won't admit it!

There is no energy from the inductive kickback recharging the battery.
Once again,you are failing to understand what you are seeing.

The LED lights up because of the generating effect of the spinning magnet--so of course the current will flow back to the battery for part of the cycle via the LED in this case,as you have an AC generator circuit,not an inductive kickback circuit.

So you,and your mate Igor are both lost.


Brad
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Jeg on February 27, 2018, 12:16:04 PM
@smoky2,

 Citfta denies there's any power at all reaching the source battery from the inductive kickback through the LED.

Synchro
For me there are only two possible explanations about that.

1. Igor's reed switch possess some inductance able to give a kickback when reed goes OFF
2. The main inductor of the presented video is oscillating and so it feeds the LED during the next cycle just after its main kickback duration.
I hope it helps for the right conclusions.

Regards





 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
@Tinman,

I like your explanation of Igor's simple circuit. How would you explain the functioning of the oscillator circuit in this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BDAX8Lm1kY
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: AlienGrey on February 27, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
A "Navy Pilot"? Who doesn't even understand Ground Effect? We've been through that before, to your total humiliation.  Let's see your DD214.
I'm not sure but I think thats The American junta's ;D name for a veterans ID card.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 03:20:09 PM
I'm not sure but I think thats The American junta's ;D name for a veterans ID card.


The DD-214 is a military discharge form. The most important feature is the nature of discharge. Mine reads "Honorable".

"Dihedral Effects in Aircraft Flight. In the context of aircraft flight, the dihedral effect is the phenomenon of roll moment created from sideslip. The dihedral effect of an aircraft is largely affected by its dihedral angle, which is the angle of deflection of the wings from level in the roll plane".

Tinselkoala doesn't understand that ground effect is in direct proportion to negative dihedral angle. Simply stated; The straighter the wings side to side the stronger the ground effect. TK uploaded a series of swept wing aircraft making low passes. The aircraft under discussion was a passenger jet with straighter wings. There's no way to push an aircraft like that below the ground effect air cushion with the cockpit controls. The commercial aircraft would have to slow down to impact the pentagon at ground level.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on February 27, 2018, 04:26:57 PM
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxbyDwe1_tk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxbyDwe1_tk)

super light, super High Lift , super long wings  [the straighter the wings side to side ]

stall speeds in the snail realm....

the only limit is the Courage [or craziness ] of the pilot ,not the controls

yeah I'll leave your thread.

yeesh....
IMO
it is and was a very big mistake to take this thread to well traveled battlefields which are completely off topic to this forum

or the claim which is supposed to be presented here.

Stefan thru out the steel cage which we had here for these old battles..
"two men enter One man leaves"

PLEASE !!






Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: TinselKoala on February 27, 2018, 04:30:43 PM
And here Synchro demonstrates not only that he continues to misrepresent what I have posted (which included aircraft with no sweepback at all)  but also that he doesn't even know what "dihedral angle" means! It is NOT the angle of sweepback.

Nice googling of DD214 though. Too bad he didn't also bother to google "dihedral".
 
Quote
The aircraft under discussion was a passenger jet with straighter wings.There's no way to push an aircraft like that below the ground effect air cushion with the cockpit controls.

That is an absolutely false statement. There is no way a USA Naval Aviator -- or even a competent recreational pilot -- would ever make such a stupid statement.




Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 27, 2018, 05:38:40 PM

The DD-214 is a military discharge form. The most important feature is the nature of discharge. Mine reads "Honorable".

"Dihedral Effects in Aircraft Flight. In the context of aircraft flight, the dihedral effect is the phenomenon of roll moment created from sideslip. The dihedral effect of an aircraft is largely affected by its dihedral angle, which is the angle of deflection of the wings from level in the roll plane".

Tinselkoala doesn't understand that ground effect is in direct proportion to negative dihedral angle. Simply stated; The straighter the wings side to side the stronger the ground effect. TK uploaded a series of swept wing aircraft making low passes. The aircraft under discussion was a passenger jet with straighter wings. There's no way to push an aircraft like that below the ground effect air cushion with the cockpit controls. The commercial aircraft would have to slow down to impact the pentagon at ground level.

That has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen anyone post.  So according to your theory all commercial aircraft must still be stuck up in the air because the cockpit controls can't overcome ground effect!!  WOW WOW WOW You get better and better every day at making ridiculous statements.  Absolutely amazing!!!  At least you're good for some laughs.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 07:13:40 PM
That has got to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever seen anyone post.  So according to your theory all commercial aircraft must still be stuck up in the air because the cockpit controls can't overcome ground effect!!  WOW WOW WOW You get better and better every day at making ridiculous statements.  Absolutely amazing!!!  At least you're good for some laughs.

@Citfta,

I'm going to give you the Dickens next if you don't watch it. Aircraft have to slow down to land, they can't barrel in at 500 knots of air speed!

Now, while I have your attention; What would happen to the inductive kickback in Igor's circuit if the resistance between the bottom of his pulse coil and the ground were greater then the resistance between the top of his coil to the positive electrode of his power source through the reverse biased LED?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 27, 2018, 10:42:49 PM
What would happen to the inductive kickback if we reduce the wire thickness between the end of Igor's pulse coil and the negative electrode of his power source battery and run a thicker wire between the top of the coil and the positive electrode of the reverse biased LED with it's negative leg attached to the positive electrode of the battery?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: citfta on February 27, 2018, 11:58:59 PM
The problem is that frogs really do have wings.  We just can't see them.  Which makes just as much sense as the rest of this thread.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on February 28, 2018, 12:30:51 AM
The problem is that frogs really do have wings.  We just can't see them.  Which makes just as much sense as the rest of this thread.


@Carroll,

How droll!


Quote from Jerry Bayles:


"The base of two resonant Tesla coils could be the current input from the Earth and the tops would be the high voltage open ends of a quarter wave complete transmission line coupled in quantum fashion where the coils also had a total impedance equal to the quantum Hall ohm".
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 01, 2018, 01:11:37 AM
I'm nearly done with a replication of Igor's "Reed Switch Spinner 2". I will upload a video soon.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 07, 2018, 12:20:30 PM
Wiring a serial bifilar solenoid coil with a ferrite core and elastic GAP magnet piston overhead into a Bedini SSG where the charge battery is positioned should amplify the inductive kickback enough to loop the output for a self runner. I use a small capacitor to control the LC tank resonant frequency to regulate the oscillation. I believe it would help to by pass the diode to the charge battery in John's SSG circuit serial bifilar needs a Here's a video of the oscillator working off BEMF from a reed switch spinner: 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMmJlc6emw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMmJlc6emw)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2018, 04:26:02 PM
Check this one out:


https://youtu.be/3ykm-blvC-U (https://youtu.be/3ykm-blvC-U)


I'm getting better (Attraction-Neutralization) off the kickback from my "500 Newton Electro-Magnet Coil" then with the series bifilar coil. This setup generates a huge amount of current in the "Electro Magnet Coil" from the attraction stroke as I've demonstrated in my videos. All it would take is one commutator Reed switch for output off the "Electro-Magnet Coil". I think I can place the output Reed switch on the other side of the Neo magnet spinner.I'll upload another video of this soon. I believe this combination will prove to be way Overunity.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2018, 04:59:56 PM
I'm shifting my emphasis away from the serial bifilar and back to the induction formula because I found my "Electro-Magnet Coil" outperforms the serial bifilar for the following reason:

Magnetic field strength is a function of inductance and input. Two coils, one with higher inductance and the same input will  generate a magnetic field whose strength is in direct proportion to it's weight in copper and core permeability.

The final design is a pulse motor with a tube spinner and magnetic axle bearings like Skycollection's. This spinner needs one adjustable output coil to regulate R.P.M. with Lenz drag. The spinner has two reciprocating "Reed switches" reverse biased on either side of the tube magnet. One's on for the pulse to the aircore power coil while the other at 180 degrees is off and viva versa. The output switch runs from the attraction neutralization electro-magnet to the destination; Load, capacitor or battery.

The electro-magnet coil is powered by "Inductive Kickback" from the aircore power coil. The output is channeled from the electro-magnet coil through the second Reed switch to the destination as pulsed D.C. during the attraction phase of the piston cycle.

The most important point here is that the output has an asymmetric relationship to the kickback input and is a function of electro-magnet coil and core inductance coupled with oscillating attraction piston magnet strength, not input power.

We're at the dawn of a new free energy era, and public announcement of this free power generator needs to be accompanied by a disclosure of a "Geo Resource" protection policy to avert market panic. Time to pop the corks folks! Every man a sultan and woman an equal.     

 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 09, 2018, 07:43:26 PM
One additional detail; A timing wheel on the axle hub would permit us to extend the output discharge time with a latching Reed switch. We can increase power to the kickback oscillator and sustain the R.P.M. by repositioning the primary spinner output coil more closely to the magnet tube increasing Lenz drag. Naturally this would result in more output from both sources.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2018, 06:59:32 PM
Here's a video of the pulse coil back spike oscillating a ferrite magnet piston with an electro magnet:

https://youtu.be/Dvhixhl93Qs (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FDvhixhl93Qs)

The oscillation is greatest at low R.P.M. The piston begins to stand still as the Neo spinner speeds up. At:48 seconds into the video, the spinner R.P.M is gyrating the ferrite rod at maximum output frequency. I can't control the speed with this test setup, however it's very simple to regulate it with the addition of a potentiometer.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 10, 2018, 09:31:22 PM
These two Hob Nilre videos should both be watched; They are the essential key to understanding the Over-Unity principle behind the "Neutralization Attraction Oscillator":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeRR6NjMPQ&t=30s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeRR6NjMPQ&t=30s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_v7jMs-ms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu_v7jMs-ms)

"Double the copper - half the power. Or you could double the copper but same power - double the force, its just harder to measure".

Double the copper in the EM coil, we double the force for the same power; That would allow us to double the magnet strength in the oscillating piston and double the output through a Reed switch. The addition of a Reed switch timed to make contact as the piston is attracted toward the EM core, turns the EM into a hybrid output coil.

Art Porter had 500 pounds of circuitry under his test bench to generate the kind of pulse I'm generating with my Reed switch pulse coil.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2018, 02:23:54 PM
Hob Nilre levitates a stack of tiny ball magnets over his charged aircore copper wire inductors in his first video. What happens when he interrupts the current to the inductor and the magnet spheres fall back toward the wire coil? They generate electrical power in the coil. right? The coil in turn generates a magnetic field of it's own in accordance with Lenz's law that opposes the descent of the spheres, but the net effect results in an electrical charge in the coil. Where's it go? No where because the charge has no pathway to travel away from the coil through, so it just dissipates as waste heat.

This is an elementary analysis that everyone should be able to agree to; Secondly, the charge that's generated by the descending stack of magnet spheres in the larger coil has a COP that's double the COP of the coil and magnet balls in the smaller coil of half it's weight in copper. This is an extremely important point in the understanding of Over-Unity.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2018, 03:22:35 PM
500 Newtons to Pounds-force = 112.4045.

We can make an electromagnet stronger by doing these things:

1.-Wrapping the coil around an iron core.
2.-Adding more turns to the coil.
3.-Increasing the current flowing through the coil.

Here's a question for thought; Would increasing electromagnet strength by wrapping the coil around an iron core produce the same COP advantage as Hob Nilre demonstrates by adding more turns of copper wire to his second coil?

Would the addition of an iron core lift Hob's stack of magnet balls higher for the same input like the coil of additional copper windings?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2018, 04:44:18 PM
Following this logic we arrive at common factor called inductance. The greater the inductance, whether a result of an iron core or increased copper windings yields greater magnetic force per unit of input power.

Suppose we perform Hob's test again with the toy magnet balls. One coil with an iron core the other an air core of greater copper weight then the control coil. Each coil will show the same repulsion advantage of increased magnetic field strength in proportion to their inductance, but what happens when we interrupt the current and measure the output from the free fall of the magnet balls toward the coils?

Lo and behold, the iron core coil will generate more power then the aircore from the addition of the attraction force between the stack of magnet balls and the iron core.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 11, 2018, 07:24:12 PM
The iron core coil would need a spring in between the end of the core and the stack of magnet balls to prevent the shock of collision. Secondly, the coil would need a switch to channel the output to a storage destination during the attraction phase.

Art Porter ran a multitude of exact measurements on his GAP coils and determined there was an asymmetrical ratio of input to output. How much Over Unity output would depend on several factors, like inductance and magnet strength, but there exists a disproportion between the neutralization repulsion pulse and the attraction output.

The BEMF powered Electromagnet coil and elastic piston widens the COP gap because we're using waste energy from a closely balanced Pi/Po spinner output coil system. The crude setup in my last video may have a possible Over Unity COP that is off the charts.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Floor on March 12, 2018, 01:37:57 AM
@synchro 1

Thanks for the topic and presentations.

Let me preface my interactions with an intro.

I haven't done any serious electronics tinkering in more than 20 years
and ..... it was another 20 years earlier,  that I studied electronics in school.

So to say that that I'm merely rusty in this arena would be an under statement.
...........
In the quote (below)

synchro 1  "The issue here is whether the inductance meter measures an "Inverse Henry" or not. "

I think you my have allowed yourself to be steered off of the main thrust of your investigations.

Personally, I don't at this point care,  if its negative henrys, inverse hanrys, magnetic probes, or even meter error and I don't feel threatened by your perceptions / ideas / theories / interpretations .... if considered correct or otherwise.

Please continue to give us your presentations.
             good hunting
                  floor
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on March 12, 2018, 08:53:26 PM
@Floor,

Thank you for your generous compliment.

Look at the core of the 500 Newton electromagnet in the picture below. Generating magnetic field strength through core inductance has the twofold advantage of increasing attraction to a magnet piston and reducing input consumption.

Core permeability is a central concern for the oscillator. The Electromagnet has a high state of the art alloy that delivers high inductance, magnetic attraction and low remnance. The EM needs to relinquish it's attraction when the power's disconnected and not continue to adhere to the magnetic object. Iron is easily saturable. The EM, I believe, is a space age Samarium-Cobalt alloy scientifically tested for a BH curve suitable for the GAP oscillator.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Floor on March 12, 2018, 09:38:12 PM
@Synchro 1

Quote
"The masking oscillator generates power in proportion to the magnetic force of it's backing magnets.
It's curious that we can control greater amounts at no increased cost to input power." end quote
                                                       Yes this is interesting.
Quote
"Look at the core of the 500 Newton electromagnet in the picture below.
Generating magnetic field strength through core inductance has the twofold advantage of

increasing attraction to a magnet piston
                    and
reducing input consumption."

1. Generating magnetic field strength through core inductance (which inductance / where ?)
2. increasing attraction to a magnet piston  (as compared  to ?)
3. reducing input consumption (as compared  to ?)

Can you give me a walk through, start to finish on these points.

Might help others to better understand as well.

                     regards
                         floor
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: sm0ky2 on March 12, 2018, 10:46:22 PM
15 pages.....


What have you discovered from experimenting with this
“negative inductance”?


And have you taken any measurements of the magnetic force?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: ramset on March 12, 2018, 11:01:02 PM
Allen [Synchro] is over here now



http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20699-mechanical-magnetic-torque-amplifier-10.html
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 21, 2018, 11:47:20 PM

O.K Synchro's back home now: Check this latest build out. I'm measuring unity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7-60ZZa10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL7-60ZZa10)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 22, 2018, 02:30:36 PM
Here's a comparison of the outer and inner Uxcell SPDT switch. The outer switch has a cam lobe action that caused it to stick, so I removed the internal switch with it's linear press spring. This streamlined switch is the central component that replaces a cumbersome commutator and it's external power supply. I have this tiny internal switch sandwiched between two bamboo barbecue skewers and held in place with elastic bands. Works like a charm! Power in and power out being equal, that leaves the physical work of the magnet lever as a free energy source.

Here's a short video of the switch action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnnW4a2WzgI
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: NerzhDishual on May 22, 2018, 08:05:31 PM
Hi experimenters,

I have not read this entire thread.  :P
Anyways, while we are at electro-magnets, just my 2 cents...

A French "patent" (in attached file) with some translations.
It is a not granted patent, you bet it is not as it claims OU.  :)

-------------------------------------------------------------
FR2363929 - BESSON- 6 septembre 1976
Générateur d'électricité mu par la force magnétique
--------------------------------------------------------------
Magnetically powered electricity generator - uses electric power output
to generate driving magnetic field providing free energy supply. 


The generator derives its motive force from a magnetic field and is self-exciting
-- ie a part of the electric energy generated is used to create the magnetic field.
The magnetic field is produced by several electromagnets (1) fixed to a wheel (4)
driven by a motor (2). A mass (7) regulates the generator's ( 8) speed of rotation.
The wheel is linked via a chain (3) and pulley (6) to the generator.
The generator output is in turn used to power the motor, with the weight
(7) preventing excessive operating speeds.

Bien le bonsoir,
Jean
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: NerzhDishual on May 22, 2018, 08:08:25 PM
Here is the patent:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 24, 2018, 12:10:49 AM
This  Uxcell switch is actually a DPDT switch that I removed 1/2 the poles from. You can see four receptacle pin holes behind the pins below. This is a second switch. So we can use this switch to reverse the polarity. Turning two switches is too much work for the oscillator to shift.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 24, 2018, 01:13:10 AM

A preliminary measurent:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArjR7cY1wuY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArjR7cY1wuY)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 24, 2018, 07:10:53 AM
I've been taking closer measurements, and it appears the generator is operating at a COP 2 after it warms up. There's a "Mag amping" of the electro-magnet that restricts the input the coil can handle after it warms up. The amp draw drops to .003. The amp reading on the output wire from the positive of the coil is .025. The input voltage was 9.65 A.C. and output 2.50 volts. We can see from the math that the saturation restriction on input is boosting the COP to over 200%. 
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 25, 2018, 04:45:50 PM

Video of beefed up magnets generating 40 volts:



https://youtu.be/qf_WWjf1Rr0 (https://youtu.be/qf_WWjf1Rr0)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 25, 2018, 11:36:29 PM
Here's the twelve pin switch:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 26, 2018, 03:03:11 PM

Short 12 pin switch video:

https://youtu.be/mEuPt-6cr4M
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 26, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
We can see how increasing the magnet strength increases the output voltage. This is an over unity effect, and is independent of input power.
Title: Initial supposition
Post by: synchro1 on May 31, 2018, 03:03:41 PM


My initial supposition was that a "Sheer" to "Push Pull" advantage would appear between the permanent magnet piston and the electro-magnet coil. It appears that the relationship may in fact be hiding this kind of an offset value adding to an over unity factor.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on May 31, 2018, 11:30:56 PM
New streamlined approach of tucking the bumper discs right onto the rim of th electro-magnet.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 01, 2018, 04:34:07 PM

Video of the latest oscillator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4QONU17UFE
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 02, 2018, 10:47:20 PM

More power generated with higher operating speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLZLcgzEq5k
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Reiyuki on June 03, 2018, 07:28:55 AM
Great work Synchro. ;D ;D

Thanks much for sharing
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 04, 2018, 12:33:27 AM
The oscillator is running at very high speed and generating 100 volts of output with only 10 volts of input! Very powerful generator. The oscillation has been strengthened with the addition of rubber bands around the back. 


The electro-magnet coil is actually generating that amount of power from that rapidly fluttering Neo tube overhead.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: Reiyuki on June 04, 2018, 04:46:33 PM
The oscillator is running at very high speed and generating 100 volts of output with only 10 volts of input! Very powerful generator. The oscillation has been strengthened with the addition of rubber bands around the back. 

The electro-magnet coil is actually generating that amount of power from that rapidly fluttering Neo tube overhead.

Stupid question, but are you running your device with attractive or repulsive pulses?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 04, 2018, 05:50:23 PM
Stupid question, but are you running your device with attractive or repulsive pulses?


The magnets are in attraction and we're calling the pulse a neutralization pulse, because it frees the attraction.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 06, 2018, 08:50:38 PM

New power in power out measurements:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxRMq6GtOsw
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 07, 2018, 01:56:00 PM
Here's a picture of the timer relay and oscillator:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 08, 2018, 05:11:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rnQHhMxUaE
Title: 12 volt timer relay.
Post by: synchro1 on June 09, 2018, 07:20:16 PM
The 12 volt timer relay requires  two power sources. The first one's connected when the press switch is closed in series through the oscillator switch. This starts the timer. there are three logic pins. K-1 sets the function then K-2 and K-3 set the timing first for the delay of the onset of power, then  the duration of the pulse.

It's possible to extend the power pulse along with the output duration, over the duration of the spring interval. This addition of this remaining componant will finish the build.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 12, 2018, 01:00:48 AM
Here's a closeup of the timer relay:


https://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-12V-Digital-Delay-Time-Switch-Control-Timer-Relay-Module-PCB-Board-Z6P4-/352066019812
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 12, 2018, 05:11:57 PM

Here's a video of the relay powering a tiny D.C. fan for exactly one second. This timer relay can trim the power pulse to a tenth of a second, inside the pulse width of the spring switch. Trimming the power pulse is an inverse approach to extending the output pulse ratio:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZPugkKrp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTZPugkKrp0)
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 13, 2018, 04:40:15 PM

Video of the oscillator pressure switch triggering the timer relay:

https://youtu.be/xqCJizD0xeE
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 04:44:17 PM
Three ways to increase output: 1.-Increase magnet strength; 2.-Increase coil windings; 3.-Increase magnet motion.
Title: Increasing COP.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 04:56:21 PM
We have a unique motor generator. What's the best way to improve the COP? What would happen if we simply increased the magnet strength along with the size of the coil and kept the input power the same?
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 07:43:56 PM
Look at this 600 pound pull force magnet available online for $56.:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 08:00:47 PM
Here's a 12 volt 640 pound force 4" diameter electromagnet:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 08:20:11 PM
Copper mass, Joules of input and magnetic force in Gauss. The 100 pound strength electro magnet coil and 3/4" Neo tube forces are in balance and the Pi/Po is even. The 600 pound Neo magnet and 4" diameter 640 pound electro magnet should be 6x's over unity!


The 640 pound force EM coil would neutralize the Neo magnet's permanent attraction to the EM coil core, and allow the recoil elastic bands to lift the 600 pound Neo magnet, and trigger the SPDT press switch.
Title: Faraday induction principles.
Post by: synchro1 on June 15, 2018, 09:27:54 PM
Imagine two solenoid air core coils of the same dimension and weight in copper facing each other; Next, two axial polarized tube magnets connected to each other with a rod and positioned inside the coil cores.

We use one coil to pulse power one Neo tube and gather input from it's twin.

What would happen if we added a second magnet to the core of the power coil? The output from the pickup coil would double from the additional strength of the power magnets with no increase in input power, right?

What would happen if we doubled the mass in copper of the power coil? We would double the output with the same unit of input too that way. We can quadruple the COP of this motor generator by doubling the strength of the power magnet and the weight in copper of the pulse coil, right?

The same proportions hold true for the EM oscillator. The only difference is that we need to understand that the increased core inductance of the EM coil has the same effect on field strength as increasing the weight of copper wire in the pulse coil.
Title: Faraday induction.
Post by: synchro1 on June 17, 2018, 04:17:10 PM
Three ways to increase output: Increase magnet strength, magnet motion or coil windings.

The ratio's the same with the power factor; Increasing coil windings will increase magnet field strength in direct proportion to the weight in copper, as demonstrated by Hob Nilre.

Coil geometry and construction are separate factors. No one has ever seen an electromagnet used to drive a motor, or used as an output coil before.

Imagine two electromagnets taped together face to face, wired with DPDT switches, so each can generate a magnetic field and recover output from it's sister.

Let's apply Faraday's law of induction to this simple MEG: Doubling the weight in copper to the coils would quadruple the COP because we would double the field strength for unit of input while at the same time doubling the output.

We can multiply field strength in a coil be adding a ferrite core. This has the same effect on the amplification of field strength as increasing the coil windings.

What happens when we add a ferrite core to an output coil? It cogs the rotor magnet with magnetic attraction, and reverses the gain.

I have turned this attraction handicap into an advantage with the EM oscillator.

Taking advantage of core value over coil windings is a quantum leap in power generation. The increasing ferrite core strength has the potential to generate power in direct proportion as well as increasing copper coil windings. Consider this! This amounts to an important discovery
Title: 12 pin MEG.
Post by: synchro1 on June 18, 2018, 11:30:11 PM
The 12 pin spring pressure switch appears above and in the video below. This switch contains 3, 4 pin SPDT switches combined like the one running the oscillator.

The 600 Lb magnet is hazardous. Securing two 640 lb force "Electro-magnets" face to face and fastening them with a plastic lock tie would eliminate any pinching hazard from the huge permanent magnet.

The center 4 pin switch can power an EM oscillator of smaller size and control the two 640 lb electro magnets as a reciprocating MEG with the 2 remaining 4 pin switches to the outside. The controlling oscillator should run cost free because tests have shown it returns all of it's power.

The two MEG EM's would wire one to the outside and the other to the inside of each remaining 4 pin switch so that when one was off in the depressed position the other would be on and visa-versa.

Video of the 12 pin switch:

https://youtu.be/mEuPt-6cr4M (https://youtu.be/mEuPt-6cr4M)
Title: Solenoid reciprocator.
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2018, 02:32:13 AM
This same 12 pin switch and oscillator could run two aircore solenoid coils with a long reciprocating axial polarized cylinder magnet piston, attached to a "Scotch Yoke" by a collar and pin in the center. This kind of motor could drive a large locomotive while recovering all it's input power, depending on the coil construction and magnet strength. The output would be pulsed D.C. from each end.

I demonstrated the "Unity" aspect of the oscillator. The work done by the oscillator piston is the free power. This is an example of free power doing work for zero cost.
Title: Relative permeability
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2018, 05:21:33 PM
"The force of the lock is proportional to the square of the relative permeability of the magnetic core. Given the relative permeability of a material can vary from around 250 for cobalt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt) to around 5000 for soft iron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron) and 7000 for silicon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon) iron (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron), the choice of magnetic core can therefore have an important impact upon the strength of a magnetic lock. Also relevant is the choice of current, number of loops and effective length of the electromagnet".

This basic law underscores the central point I've been making the entire time on this thread. This augments "Faraday's Law". The magnetic force of an electromagnet is proportional not only to current and number of loops, but more importantly "The square of the relative permeability of the core". The converse of the law, which you will never see published anywhere, is that the output of an electromagnet coil is a direct function of the core perm too!

The COP of a "Chiral Siamese" electromagnet MEG would be a function of the relative core permeability of the two electromagnets!

Therefore: Doubling the core perm in a twin facing EM MEG will quadruple the COP!

My oscillator tests prove conclusively that the power in, to the force field out is equal to the force field in to the power out in the electromagnet.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2018, 07:35:37 PM
MU:
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2018, 08:24:26 PM
The standard unit of inductance is the henry. The equation for calculating the number of henries in an inductor is:

H = (4 * Pi * #Turns * #Turns * coil Area * mu) / (coil Length * 10,000,000)

The area and length of the coil are in meters. The term mu is the permeability of the core. Air has a permeability of 1, while steel might have a permeability of 2,000.
Title: Lenz effect.
Post by: synchro1 on June 19, 2018, 09:33:34 PM
The magnetic fields are interpenetrating along the "A" vector at 180 degrees in the oscillator, neutralizing "Lenz Drag", like the zero force motor does by positioning the output coil at 90 degrees.

This helps explain why we witness an even exchange. Using a magnetic core with a spinning rotor magnet is self defeating.
Title: Re: Negative Inductance and measure of Magnetic force.
Post by: synchro1 on June 20, 2018, 12:53:45 AM
Look at this 10 Henry choke and the silicon steel laminations:
Title: 10 Henry electromagnet.
Post by: synchro1 on June 20, 2018, 01:31:00 AM
I'm converting the choke into an extremely powerful electromagnet, hacksawing the "I" off the "H" stator by hand: