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Offline franco malgarini

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Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« on: November 06, 2016, 03:51:25 PM »
With two signal generators

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2016, 06:23:42 PM »
Changing the frequency of one of the signal generators may also obtain atomic oxygen that burning with atomic hydrogen produces more 221 Kcal / mole water, more than twice the simple atomic hydrogen recombination

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2016, 02:36:48 AM »
If it were possible, to make atomic hydrogen electrolytically, it would require about 432kJ/mole extra energy from the power supply. This is the energy required to split the H-H bond. Production of H2 at the electrode is not the simple water splitting process shown in most books,  its a complicated multi step process and in one of those steps you would need to add the extra hydrogen splitting step, which requires plenty of energy. Those steps you will find by searching electrochemical journals online.
Because enthalpy is a state function, no matter how some clever person devises a scheme to make hydrogen or atomic hydrogen from water, the end result is that the same energy input  is required no matter which path is taken, this goes for Meyer technology as well.

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2016, 07:31:10 AM »
You don't know the chemisorption of H on platinum?

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2016, 08:31:59 AM »
Catalysts make no difference to the energy involved in the overall process. They only alter the rate of reaction by lowering the energy of activation.


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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2016, 08:33:54 AM »
You don't have an open mind

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2016, 03:33:15 PM »
Have you any thoughts on how the reaction would be modified at low atmospheric pressure, as in a thundercloud. The H ions would be less likely to immediately recombine with the oxygen. Released H+ might collide with other water molecules and release more H+, in a chain reaction.

Hydroxide in the atmosphere increases during the daytime due to sunlight acting on water moisture in the atmosphere, at low atmospheric pressure in the ionosphere the ions dont recombine so easily.

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2016, 03:26:16 PM »
Mini digital oscilloscope for see wave form of signal generator

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Re: Atomic hydrogen from fuel cell
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2016, 05:14:09 PM »
Have you considered how a fuel cell might work with water vapour in a vacuum. ie reduced atmospheric pressure, like found in a thundercloud or the ionosphere. Ions would be able to move with less restrictions through a gas than through a liquid, there would be less chance of recombinations back to molecules, and atoms crashing into each other may further ionize more atoms. A possible Chain reaction?????? what do you think??????????????. Low temperature, low pressure, electric fields or solar rays seperating molecules into ions, giving high dissacociation and low recombinations.