Yeah, I just forwarded you an email.  You yourself read the same email less than a year ago as a recipient.  You can swallow it, you don't have to go the other way.

Its more of a moral issue. If Mark wrote that to you in 'private' then it was to be private. Like why pick and choose what to release? Why not just post all of his pms to you? Wouldnt be the right thing to do???

Mags

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Says the man that laughed at myself and Mags when we stated that in an ideal coil,the CEMF would be equal and opposite to that of the applied EMF.

As you say over there-You have drunk too much cool aid MH

Brad

And I think we are in super knickers twist territory here.

I would never have laughed at you if you stated that the CEMF would be equal and opposite the EMF because I agree with that.  So I don't know where that is coming from but I can venture a guess.

For starters, I am assuming that we are back to discussing a coil and not a motor.  When you state that the CEMF would be equal to the EMF you believe that no current would flow because the CEMF cancels out the EMF.  You believe that for current to flow in a coil the CEMF must be less than the EMF.

Well, that's where you are wrong.  When you apply EMF to a coil, the coil's CEMF is equal to the EMF and current flows through the coil.  Right now in your head that doesn't make sense but that is really the way it is.

This idea you have in your head about the requirement for a voltage difference is wrong.  And you are over confident with your little comments like "MH is just lost again" and "I think MH is having a bad day" and "aint that a hoot."

Unfortunately the joke is on you.  I don't really know if I am prepared to argue it out with you.  I am willing to try to close the loop with Poynt on this issue from an earlier posting but as far as I am concerned you are on your own.  Believe what you want to believe or figure it out with someone else.

The biggest moral issue for you is to not fall into the ugly trap of becoming a predatory harasser that enjoys the pain and suffering that he inflicts on other people.  You need to keep your head space in the right place and not fall into that ugly trap and keep your moral compass pointed in the right direction.  It's like you are a reformed alcoholic that needs to never touch a drop.  Keep that in mind at all times.

I asked you to publicly state that you would not harass me any more and you refused to acknowledge my request and say anything.  You still have issues to work on.

I did not post anything from MarkE at all but I did make reference to what he said and considering that Chet was starting to emulate the worst behaviours that I have seen from you, and potentially fall into the same kind of ugly trap, I have no qualms about telling him what I told him.  He needs to reform himself and check his behaviour.

I am not perfect and I am no angel, but I know when I see wrongdoing.

MileHigh

I think the readers know the difference. Twist it all you want. Even your peers have spoken.

Mags

I think the readers know the difference. Twist it all you want. Even your peers have spoken.

Mags

I think it's all a tempest in a tea pot that is cynically being taken advantage of.  Let's agree to disagree.

Miles
your social ignorance is only surpassed by your nauseating arrogance ,you commit an appalling act of grotesque selfishness
involving the memory of a deceased  member here and then you Nance around Playing spock and Freud .

you are so isolated from your own weirdness it is hard to witness.

the fellows who actually build and experiment here should not be part of your scam artist fraudster make believe super hero dementia.

go bother whoever it is you need to save the world from and we'll call you when a fraud seeking missile comes in the front door.
this an OU forum and we play with resonance and magnets
and whatever else we choose to do.

you poor demented Putz

Yeah, and you are a demented putz too.  I explored the true scientific and engineering definition of resonance and then evaluated some engine components to see if they met that criteria.  And you want to treat that like it is some kind of mortal sin and it is stepping all over your resonance fetish.  Your pitch is completely nuts and you have gone off your rocker.  You can talk about whatever resonance stuff you want and it's not going to bother me.

It's time for you to STAND DOWN from your ridiculous behaviour and just live and let live.  Pull yourself together and regain your composure and stop posting like a bloody nutcase.

You are ridiculous.  I never tried to present myself as an authority on engines.  With respect to resonance, you can ring bells until you are blue in the face, I don't give a damn.  Just stop and calm down.

And I think we are in super knickers twist territory here.

I would never have laughed at you if you stated that the CEMF would be equal and opposite the EMF because I agree with that.  So I don't know where that is coming from but I can venture a guess.

For starters, I am assuming that we are back to discussing a coil and not a motor.  When you state that the CEMF would be equal to the EMF you believe that no current would flow because the CEMF cancels out the EMF.  You believe that for current to flow in a coil the CEMF must be less than the EMF.

Well, that's where you are wrong.  When you apply EMF to a coil, the coil's CEMF is equal to the EMF and current flows through the coil.  Right now in your head that doesn't make sense but that is really the way it is.

This idea you have in your head about the requirement for a voltage difference is wrong.  And you are over confident with your little comments like "MH is just lost again" and "I think MH is having a bad day" and "aint that a hoot."

Unfortunately the joke is on you.  I don't really know if I am prepared to argue it out with you.  I am willing to try to close the loop with Poynt on this issue from an earlier posting but as far as I am concerned you are on your own.  Believe what you want to believe or figure it out with someone else.

Well i am in agreeance with poynt,so if he is wrong,then so am i.
I might point out that poynt has been doing this far longer than me,and he is fare more verst in EE than i by a huge margin.
So what you say about me,must also apply to those that are in agreeance with-yes?.
So yes,you sort it out with poynt,as it is getting increasingly  difficult to learn ,when there is two well versed EE guys disagreeing on something that is suppose to be simple.


Brad

Loner:

When it comes to electronics, you are not as smart as you think.  Beyond that, don't you dare allege that I am a troll.  I am making logical points and I am sincerely trying to debate with people, even if the debate can get heated.  It takes two to tango.  I am not buying your "wise man coming to share some pearls of wisdom" vibe, at all.  If you have some issues with me, then say them straight to my face and we will debate them.  Fair enough?

Current Flow IS determined by voltage, right?  IF the Applied voltage WERE EXACTLY equal to the "CEMF" there would be NO CURRENT.  Second, IF there were NO Current, there would be NO CEMF!!!

Come on people, a little common sense and logic is required to understand ANY of this, in a realistic OR ideal fashion.  Just as, an IDEAL inductor will still have Impedance, which is really what this entire discussion was about, to begin with.

Sure, let's get real and use a little common sense and start off with a resistor.

You have a one-volt voltage source connected across a one-ohm resistor, which gives you one amp of DC current.

So where is the EMF and the CEMF?  The one-volt voltage source is the EMF.  The CEMF is the one amp flowing through the one-ohm resistor causing a one-volt voltage drop across the resistor.

The one-volt voltage drop across the resistor is the CEMF.   Look at that, the EMF and the CEMF are equal and opposite, and current flows through the resistor.

Now let's repeat the whole process for an inductor:

You have a one-volt voltage source connected across a one-Henry inductor, which gives you one amp of current per second flowing through the inductor.

So where is the EMF and the CEMF?  The one-volt voltage source is the EMF.  The CEMF is the one amp of current per second flowing through the inductor causing a one-volt voltage drop across the inductor.

The one-volt voltage drop across the inductor is the CEMF.   Look at that, the EMF and the CEMF are equal and opposite, and current flows through the inductor.

That's the real deal and that's the way it is modeled.

SO, the simple thing is, there IS a slight difference between the EMF and the CEMF or NO current would flow, which would prevent the CEMF from being generated in the first place.  Simple enough?

So, you are wrong.  There is no difference between the EMF and the CEMF and current flows for both the resistor and the inductor.  Simple enough.

If you have a technical comment to the above discussion I am all ears.   And again, if you want to say something to me then just say it.

MileHigh