https://youtu.be/nGQbA2jwkWI


https://youtu.be/MzAPu_p2wI4


https://youtu.be/3sP9kh4xtKo

#16, 17, 18 are a good place to start

@smoKy2,

There's nothing in any of these videos that contradicts what I stated as fact above.

My first try would be to use a diode to capture the collapse currents and direct them into the bifi as if it were a cap.  If what Tesla claimed in the pat to be correct, the bifi should take on the currents as fast as the bifi coil resistance and cap value would allow.  If so, would there be a mag field built as fast as compared to a similar normal inductor with input applied?  Dunno yet....

Mags

Below is the diagram of what I said above.  It also gives reference to which way current flows in the inductor L1 when SW! switch is opened.  Now just replace C1 with your bifi coil.  As simple as it gets.


Mags

Please. Talk is cheap.
PROVE that inductor is the source of current and voltage (EMF) once interrupted.
Prove it in electronic circuit demo using one single step , not a talk about duty cycle and DC-DC inverters equations. Like in Magluvin simple circuit, but with additional electronic switch to disconnect power source once coil is "magnetically charged".

Forest

You have been around here as long as I have and maybe longer.  You dont know this yet??

Im surprised.    We could reverse the positions of the switch and the inductor, then reverse the polarity of the diode and get just about the same thing into the cap, just opposite polarity due to the configuration.

The previous pic shows the input in series with the inductor. This one isolates the inductor from the input.  So in this pic below, where does the cap get its charge from??? Do you think the cap wont get charged from the collapse currents of the inductor once the input switch is opened?

These circuits in the pics show conventional current flow. I particularly think in electron flow from neg to pos. But this is what I found on the web and I modified the original pic to make the second pic example

Mags

Mags
seemed to me as If Forest was questioning the "other" fellow's input...

regardless ,  a fair analysis needs doing with as simple as possible a circuit [as you presented]
and perhaps whatever other ideas [for testing] can be presented to bolster claims ?

this needs a very simple benchmark moment for future reference ....one way or the other.

Question below

Are we to look for heretofore unknown excess energy [magnetic or other] being available due to a Bifi...Pancake coil ?
{in addition to the energy flow analysis}

perhaps a quick summary of your thoughts or possible claim ?

respectfully
Chet

@ramset,


Are you referring to me Mr. Snodgrass? Take a look at my latest video "Poet of the Pickwick Papers":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K75ALn6__Y

@Magluvin,

I'm really stoked about the possibility of running a second spinner with the serial bifilar coil off the inductive kickback from the reed switch power coil. This setup is blindingly simple compared to Gotoluc's capacitor and horseshoe core coils arrangement. Thanks for the put together idea.

@Tinman,

Good point; However, running a neutralization pulse oscillator as demonstrated by me, may generate a secondary output from the bifilar. Those videos are on the "Negative Inductance" thread, but they feature a commutator that turns the oscillator coil into a hybrid output coil that generates power from the attraction of the overhead spring powered magnet to the ferrite coil core.

Well i thought Mags was on the right track-kind of,but then went back to the same old same old.

I posted a bifilar transformer configuration a few pages back,but no one was interested--oh well 

Anyway,i am having fun with it--i call it the !transphasic converter!

So ,the scope shot shows something that should never happen !apparently!  -schematic attached.

Due to my common ground issue with my scope,i had to scope one CVR at a time.
I saved the CVR1 scope shot(blue trace),and then inverted and overlaid the CVR 2 (yellow trace) on top of the blue trace.

The 962Hz Ac signal is supplied via a battery operated SG,removing any type of ground loop issues.
Both CVRs were swapped around,to eliminate any error in there measured power dissipation.

Take note of the current value flowing through the two resistors,where the !cant! happen- happens.

The right track to what?  What you have shown is the right track and what I have suggested is same old same old?? 

Apparently Partsman and syncro get what I am suggesting and find it new and interesting.  And if what Im suggesting is soo same old same old, then show me an example of someone doing just what I have suggested. Doubt you will be able to find that anywhere.

In fact I am going to steal my own time tonight after laundry to put it on the table. What I had originally suggested is nothing like what you are showing and I 'dont' see that what you are showing shouldnt happen in the least. Its just one big series circuit driven with an ac input. Woopty doo.    Well you keep on having fun with all that. Enjoy.

Mags

You know of another circuit,where the current on one leg of the AC input is higher than the current on the other leg of the AC input ?--would love to see that--bet you cant find one example.

The capacitance value of a bifi coil is near to nothing--in the pF range,and so will offer very little storage capacity.

How is this any different to a transformer?,such as used in boost converters.

Have you forgotten about the weeks and weeks of research i(and others) done on the bifi pancake coil,where we bought rolls of flat copper tape to make our bifi coil,so as we could get the capacitance up as high as we could-far higher than you will ever get with a wire wound bifi coil--and nothing special was ever found by any of us.
We put all kinds of signals into those coil's--ac sine,square wave,HV pulses--and nothing.

So yes,others have already been down this road Mags,and had no luck.

Maybe you will find what we did not,so good luck 

All i was doing,was offering what i had found to be interesting,when a bifi coil is wound and configured in a certain way-->which has not been done before.

But anyway,i will leave it to you,and wont hassle you anymore



Brad.

"You know of another circuit,where the current on one leg of the AC input is higher than the current on the other leg of the AC input ?--would love to see that--bet you cant find one example."

Actually I could care less. This thread is about inductive kickback, of which your circuit does not contain. And actually I believe I have seen the likes of what you state above. For some strange reason I think it was you that had shown something like this before. If not then it was someone else. Just some reactive anomaly as far as Im concerned. No inclination to OU possibilities? Not interested.


"The capacitance value of a bifi coil is near to nothing--in the pF range,and so will offer very little storage capacity."

That sounds like a MileHigh quote.  Sorry if you only get picofarads in your bifi coils. Mine are mostly in the nanofarads, as was my pancake coil back in that thread. Tough break kid.    And if you remember so much about the bifi pancake experiments as you state in your post here, then you should have remembered that some had gotten more than just picofarads at the time. But, I guess you were not paying that close of attention. Dunno.


"How is this any different to a transformer?,such as used in boost converters."

Maybe you should reread all I have given on the idea I presented again before you question me with such, as I never suggested any mutual inductance between the charged inductor and the bifi coil. Only you have presented anything like a transformer with the 2 windings having mutual inductance and zero inductive kickback as this thread is based on. So your questioning me on that is out of order and without any real basis.


"Have you forgotten about the weeks and weeks of research i(and others) done on the bifi pancake coil,where we bought rolls of flat copper tape to make our bifi coil,so as we could get the capacitance up as high as we could-far higher than you will ever get with a wire wound bifi coil--and nothing special was ever found by any of us.
We put all kinds of signals into those coil's--ac sine,square wave,HV pulses--and nothing."

I absolutely have not. But we didnt try THIS idea that I have presented.  So all of that had shed light on what not to do again. And this idea is not one of those. So I can see that you think that those exercises had covered everything that could be done. Well Im saying here it did not. Sorry you have given up looking for more that could be done beyond those things you mention here. I have not. Im an idea guy.


"So yes,others have already been down this road Mags,and had no luck."

Well this idea I presented was not on those roads already ridden. And maybe there are more roads to explore beyond this idea. 


"Maybe you will find what we did not,so good luck"

Yes. Maybe...


"All i was doing,was offering what i had found to be interesting,when a bifi coil is wound and configured in a certain way-->which has not been done before."

Well, firstly it was off topic, as we, partsman, ramset, syncro and forest were into my idea here on trying to take some advantage of 'Inductive Kickback' that may have not been tried before, except for maybe Tesla. Sorry if others did not take interest in what you presented, as you stated in your second posting of your circuit. Again, it was way off topic anyway. Whether there is more current through one winding than the other or not, unless there is some possibility of OU there, Im not too concerned with it, as I am here for what this site was meant to try and find, overunity. Not parlor tricks. 


"But anyway,i will leave it to you,and wont hassle you anymore"

Its not my thread.  Oh, were you hassling me?  Well Im still waiting for an answer to the first questions in my last post.  You said "Well i thought Mags was on the right track-kind of,but then went back to the same old same old." ......   

What was the right track?   What is same old same old about what I have presented?   Show me what I have presented is same old instead of just saying I have never seen what YOU have shown before! Bs dude. Bait and switch is all that was.  Personally I just found that all to be just insults really.  And I dont think you will answer even though I have asked twice now. Pretty much because it was just a blind insult statement towards me, because so far you dont really know what my idea really is, as far as your replies here truly show.


Mags