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gyulasun

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #135 on: March 14, 2015, 07:35:25 PM »

Guru or not, can you notice the load is directly connected in parallel with the 8000V source?


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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #136 on: March 14, 2015, 08:23:48 PM »
Guru or not, can you notice the load is directly connected in parallel with the 8000V source?
I used the same idea as in a triode circuit above.
But I will gladly approve any better design!

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #137 on: March 17, 2015, 03:43:54 PM »
This perhaps is the better solution for the power take out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFohadroheM

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #138 on: March 17, 2015, 04:58:54 PM »
 I'm by no means an expert here, but here are some of my thoughts on your theories of pulling a current out of the Ether instead of your actual supply:
1: It is in no way advanced knowledge that electricity will take the path of least resistance. Therefore, in your diagram in post #134, the load is going to pull whatever power it needs from the supply, and the rest will be left to burn up in the modified triode device. Unless you are somehow creating miniature fission reactions with the alpha particles, nothing is going to feed back out to the load.
2: As for post #137, and my above comment, using a standard Tesla coil as a load is just going to draw off the main supply, and even if you used a transformer that has primary windings for 8000V, all that will be accomplished is a Tesla coil. If you aim to use the toroid or dome to draw energy from the Ionosphere, you will need to aim to reach the highest possible altitude with the toroid or dome in order to pull energy off of Earth's magnetosphere and the Ionosphere. If your aim is to draw static energy from the flow of water in the aquifers and it's channels, you will need to be positioned over a major aquifer and get deep enough to tap the static field that surrounds the rushing water.

If the goal is to draw on a power source that is not fed by the circuit supply, it must be an open circuit, and maybe it would be wise to get back to what Mr Tesla was doing with Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe, and like I stated above, reach to the sky or "dig/drill for China" and get down to the aquifers, preferably to a layer of granite to maximize the static charge you can draw from.   It can probably be done on a  smaller scale using a stream, spring, or an artificial setup using living water. The more static charge, the better.

I have not done any of these things myself as of late, so don't start your attempts off of my words. Go research Mr Tesla's work for yourself and decide what is the best and most feasible method.  I may be a bit inaccurate in my above statements since I have only spent limited amount of time studying Mr Tesla's patents, notes, books, and plans thus far, but in my opinion, this is the direction in which people should be trying to go to start.  In my opinion, if one does not understand the basis of Mr Tesla's earlier work that led up to his discovery of the ether, there is a very small chance that one will actually succeed in drawing energy from it, unless they just happen to accidentally stumble upon a setup that does exactly that.

Not trying to be a buzzkill here or anything, but it would be great if we could bring this back to the topic of designing/building/testing/modifying crystal radios and experimenting with the main components in said devices without running off on wild tangents, untested theories and various other devices that have very little to do with crystal radios.  If two or more people are interested in following up on any various ideas not closely related to the crystal radio, another thread can always be started and linked to in this thread. 

I personally, along with several others I'm sure, have not yet learned very much about crystal radios and their operation and would very much like to do so.  I know to some of you this seems like child's play and you are bored with it, but many people aren't and would love to learn more.  Of course this is just a suggestion since I in no way have any control over what's said and done in this forum.

Thank you.
Kind regards,
Brian

telecom

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #139 on: March 17, 2015, 05:16:40 PM »

1: It is in no way advanced knowledge that electricity will take the path of least resistance.

I think this is actually a part of a common knowledge.

2: using a standard Tesla coil as a load is just going to draw off the main supply,

This is not the case, they use it as an antenna.


If the goal is to draw on a power source that is not fed by the circuit supply, it must be an open circuit, and maybe it would be wise to get back to what Mr Tesla was doing with Colorado Springs and Wardenclyffe,

This is exactly what post 137 is about





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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #140 on: March 17, 2015, 05:22:47 PM »
Not trying to be a buzzkill here or anything, but it would be great if we could bring this back to the topic of designing/building/testing/modifying crystal radios and experimenting with the main components in said devices without running off on wild tangents, untested theories and various other devices that have very little to do with crystal radios.  If two or more people are interested in following up on any various ideas not closely related to the crystal radio, another thread can always be started and linked to in this thread. 

I personally, along with several others I'm sure, have not yet learned very much about crystal radios and their operation and would very much like to do so.  I know to some of you this seems like child's play and you are bored with it, but many people aren't and would love to learn more.  Of course this is just a suggestion since I in no way have any control over what's said and done in this forum.

 
Perhaps you should join a crystal radio forum in this case?
We here are trying to apply the above radio to produce some energy.







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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #141 on: March 18, 2015, 12:37:04 AM »
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2: using a standard Tesla coil as a load is just going to draw off the main supply,

This is not the case, they use it as an antenna.

Thus far, the only time I have seen a Tesla coil used as an antenna successfully is when there is a transmitter matched to it's frequency, like the experiments done by kdkinen (youtube name) and others that are scale model Tesla Magnifying Transmitter systems.  Do you know of anyone who has been able to use a TMT style receiver to pick up energy from random sources, and/or the aether? Or is that what you intend to try and accomplish? 
That would be quite an achievement.  Sounds to me like it would involve loads of calculations in order to figure out the exact specs to build the coil for to receive a specific frequency or range of frequencies, and also testing to figure out what is the most energetic frequency or range.. 

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #142 on: March 18, 2015, 01:01:30 AM »
OK, so I have this nice loop antenna I built some years back.  It is hooked up to my stereo receiver and works great.  I wanted to use this,
or make another one like it, for my crystal radio I just made a few days back.

My question is...when I hooked it to my receiver, the radio had 2 inputs for an AM antenna.  I had 2 wire ends from the loop antenna...easy.

On my crystal radio, I have one connection for an antenna.  The loop antenna has 2 ends.

I read online that one end of the loop should go to ground.  Easily done as I have a ground connection on my crystal radio.  But, I also read that I should simply tie the two ends of the wires coming from the loop ant. and hook up to my single antenna connection on my crystal radio.

Which way is correct?

I am leaning toward the grounding idea, although, if one uses a long antenna strung between trees, one end is open and the other attached to the radio and no ground.

Very confusing.

Bill

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #143 on: March 18, 2015, 01:57:29 AM »
Thus far, the only time I have seen a Tesla coil used as an antenna successfully is when there is a transmitter matched to it's frequency, like the experiments done by kdkinen (youtube name) and others that are scale model Tesla Magnifying Transmitter systems.  Do you know of anyone who has been able to use a TMT style receiver to pick up energy from random sources, and/or the aether? Or is that what you intend to try and accomplish? 
That would be quite an achievement.  Sounds to me like it would involve loads of calculations in order to figure out the exact specs to build the coil for to receive a specific frequency or range of frequencies, and also testing to figure out what is the most energetic frequency or range..

This youtube video suggests attaching a wire to the secondary of the tesla coil to use it as an extended antenna to be able to pick up charged ions from the air - this concept was suggested by Tesla himself in his radiant energy patent.
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« Reply #144 on: March 18, 2015, 05:39:21 AM »
OK, so I have this nice loop antenna I built some years back.  It is hooked up to my stereo receiver and works great.  I wanted to use this,
or make another one like it, for my crystal radio I just made a few days back.

My question is...when I hooked it to my receiver, the radio had 2 inputs for an AM antenna.  I had 2 wire ends from the loop antenna...easy.

On my crystal radio, I have one connection for an antenna.  The loop antenna has 2 ends.

I read online that one end of the loop should go to ground.  Easily done as I have a ground connection on my crystal radio.  But, I also read that I should simply tie the two ends of the wires coming from the loop ant. and hook up to my single antenna connection on my crystal radio.

Which way is correct?

I am leaning toward the grounding idea, although, if one uses a long antenna strung between trees, one end is open and the other attached to the radio and no ground.

Very confusing.

Bill

Im kind of wondering the same thing.. I have a length of 3-pair telephone wire pulled across the ridgeline of my roof and into the room,and I did not connect the wire ends on the far end at all.  On the basic variometer setup, my end of the telephone wire goes directly to the single connection for an antenna. However, if I want to add an antenna matching capacitor, am I to split up the wires to 3 and 3, run one to each side of the cap, and one of those also to the antenna in on the variometer? If I do this, do I need to go up on the roof and connect all the wire ends together so it acts as a loop, making the two connections I have inside act as the ends of a loop? Or does this not really matter?   (I guess I am about to find out!!)    I will let you know what happens with these experiments, but I'm going to have to wait until morning to go on the roof and make connections at the other end.

I am considering making a spider web style antenna out of some of the 40' of solid silver wire that I have, and then coating it with fiberglass resin or epoxy. Kind of want to design something incorporating golden ratio/angles.   

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #145 on: March 18, 2015, 05:46:01 AM »
This youtube video suggests attaching a wire to the secondary of the tesla coil to use it as an extended antenna to be able to pick up charged ions from the air - this concept was suggested by Tesla himself in his radiant energy patent.
Regards

Well, who here is going to give this an honest attempt?   If I had anything more than a 10" mini Tesla coil built, I would do it.   I do intend to build a bigger Tesla coil in the near future, using actual proportional measurements and all that, but does anyone paying attention to this thread have a setup that the connections can be modified on to run some quick tests on that idea?

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« Reply #146 on: March 18, 2015, 08:10:05 AM »
HMMM....

I am getting WAYYYYYYYY better signal, tuning range, and volume using a galena crystal and copper phosphorus catwhisker than I am with either 1n34A and 1n60 diodes.  I can hardly hear it with the 160W amplifier on max when I use the diodes, and with the galena I have it quite loud with the volume midway up.

here's something else that's weird.... I had to put several layers of heat shrink tubing over the detector pieces that I need to touch to adjust, because if I touch it with bare hands, with rubber gloves on, with a rag, etc it makes the amp POP and shut off.  fortunately it has a safety feature so that I don't blow it or the speakers up...

but it's 3AM now, and as much as I want to keep messing with this, I need to go to sleep or I won't do anything tomorrow! haha.  Well, let me know what you guys think of all this. I can make a vid if need be. 
Oh, and for my antenna coupling, I ended up having to put the cap between the antenna and the aerial input to the radio. doesn't really make any difference otherwise.
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« Reply #147 on: March 18, 2015, 10:30:16 PM »
Just want to add an update on my setup:
I received my two 365pf variable caps, cat whisker, and 2000ohm earphone from midnightscience.com today.
Unfortunately, using the TK style Australia variometer there is very little tuning range.  Also, there is 2.5kw(daytime, 44watt nightime)  transmitter just over a mile away from me. That is the only station I am able to pick up right now.
I have a long, springy piece of blue steel that is the scrap from a lathe that I strung up across my ceiling as an alternative antenna.  I figured it would be similar to the TK's slinky.  It pales in comparison to the phone wire I have on the roof, but that may also be because I live in a stone house, and the stone may be deadening any radio waves that would normally penetrate standard wood walls.
I also received some more 1n34A diodes from a different source, and they perform the same as the other ones I tried yesterday.  The galena crystal and whisker still beat the diodes (both 1n34 and 1n60) by at least 3x.   Thus far, it seems that the sharper the point of the whisker is, the easier it is to get good contact, and the cleaner the sound is.  The copper phosphorus is also outperforming the phosphor bronze thus far.
I'm going to do some testing with the scope shortly and compare the various options I now have.



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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #148 on: March 19, 2015, 12:25:16 AM »
....
here's something else that's weird.... I had to put several layers of heat shrink tubing over the detector pieces that I need to touch to adjust, because if I touch it with bare hands, with rubber gloves on, with a rag, etc it makes the amp POP and shut off.  fortunately it has a safety feature so that I don't blow it or the speakers up...
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Hi Brian,

If you switch your scope input to a sensitive amplitude range, and you touch its direct hot input (no probe) with a small piece of bare wire you hold in your fingers, what can you see displayed? Of course this depends on the time base selection too, I mean the 1 or 5 millisecond per DIV, and I assume you will see a sine wave on the normal mains frequency 50 or 60 Hz you have. The amplitude of this signal will change as you touch anything nearby like the metal body of the scope with your other hand. If this is so, then this signal (your body picks up from the EM field of the house mains wireing) makes your audio amp pop and shut off, I think. It is also possible that your hand or body picks up some other unwanted local signals from your enviroment which is already able to drive the audio amplifier.

IF you happen to have some Germanium transistors in your junk box (or in very old, at least 40-50 year old) discarded AM pocket radios, then you could test the base emitter diode of them as a diode, how they perform.
Also, you could test paralleling 2 or more 1N34A diodes (anodes to a common anode and cathodes to a common cathode) and hear how they perform.  You may try this parallel operation with the galena crystal and whisker too if you have more.
Maybe your variometer has too small inductance for the frequency your local AM station operates on.  At least each coil ought to have inductances above 100 uH at least or higher.

I found this link a very good experimental help on crystal radios, it is worth reading: http://www.bentongue.com/xtalset/xtalset.html    you can read on diode types and on the effect of giving some DC biasing to them and on several other topic important for reception.   

Addition:  this file includes good experimental findings on crystal receivers, their diodes tests etc: http://www.qrparci.org/wa0itp/chap4.pdf

Gyula

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Re: crystal radio: the first real free energy device
« Reply #149 on: March 19, 2015, 12:31:04 AM »
Hey Brian

If you dont mind me asking. Can you measure the resistance of your coils? Also, if you have a meter, measure the output?  The meter might lower the output being the meter a high impedance load.  Just curious.

Wonder if we made a huge coil. !6awg wire, etc.  Could there be more output?

Mags