Picowatt - Understand what your saying, and I don't disagree that there is much more to this than meets the eye. I know a lot of Harmonics are involved!

MarkE is just getting what he deserves, maybe he should think about his attitude 

This may turn out to be nothing, but not to investigate this would be just as foolish! I admit I am not skilled enough to fully understand this, have right from the start! But I am presenting something that is showing incredible things! They need to be investigated!

So the question really is, are you people with me or against? Those against, take a hike, don't post, don't read, just go away. Until we have more answers.

   Well EMJ,
                 you took a hike - but returned!

Well, one of my devices, moves all around the bench, I can steer it, all with around 1watt.

Why didn't you tell us this earlier. It would have saved a lot of aggravation.


He was right all along guys. It is not new technology. Been around a fair few decades.

I have one of these devices also.
It is called (say it with me) a "pager", or a "beeper"

Mine is from a company called: (I'll spell it out slowly)
M-O-T-O-R-O-L-L-A

It moves all around the kitchen counter-top when I put it on "vibrate" mode.
The "nameplate" rating says 0.6 watts.
Sorry TK, but I don't have small enough probes to test the real consumption.


Sorry guys, I know I used a few long words in there. I can put a pdf together if you need it.

No wonder you all hide behind things like PIH123 and MarkE and TinselKoala!

And here we go again with the Fools Patrol! Nice work guys. You're so smart, so clever and yet who will get the last laugh? Not you guys!

In 5 years time, when others are looking for answers, they will come across this, read your amazing insight and shake their head! No wonder you all hide behind names like PIH123 and MarkE and TinselKoala! Ashamed you will be because we will know who you are! Sooner or later! I have the means to show who you are!

Bulletin:  Thank you Itsu for making the full set of power-in and power-out measurements on your setup and doing it properly.  He also made a "wrong" measurement using the probe locations in the Meyer schematic and got "wrong" over unity.

Meanwhile Chris is asking "why the spikes disappeared across the load resistor" when Itsu moved his measurement points to across the resistor only.  Another brick in the wall.

Chris did not know how to make his output power measurement.  He held his cards for all of this time when his data could have been discussed on day two of this investigation.

We are all just Little Lost Sheep!  I suppose that we all can just keep on moving.... Just keep on moving along....   Old man river.....

No taters for Chris!!!

You and me, we sweat and strain,
Body all achin' and racked with pain,
Tote that barge!
Lift that bale!
Get a little drunk
And you land in jail.....

Quote from: ION on February 04, 2015, 10:57:16 PM

Itsu said:

The reason the spikes are so high (on the primary) is that the inductor energy is not yet being coupled to the output load, due either to leakage inductance or diode turn on time or some of both. If it were being coupled to the output load resistor it would not rise so high. The inductor is uncoupled and freewheeling at this point.

Input power= power used to charge the inductor and that dissipated by the FET, and ohmic winding loss. (here we are not counting FET drive power)

Output power= power recovered from the inductor and coupled to the load resistor during the flyback phase minus diode loss and sum of all winding ohmic loss.

Hey ION,

Yes, understand what youre saying. But the scope sees this voltage spike in the secondary Circuit! Just moving the Scope Ground cable shouldn't remove these Spikes. The Scope sees them there initially.

Does this make sense?

We are still missing something here, we are missing 1.3 Watts from the Input Power Source, to the Output, this cant currently be accounted for!

Quote from: EMJunkie on February 04, 2015, 10:09:11 PM

We see on the Output 3.3 Watts above the 0 Voltage Terminal, on the Positive Terminal, 1.4 Watts above the 0 Voltage Terminal, but 3.3 still remains a mystery! (0.6 + 1.4 != 3.3!)

I see the removal of important Wave data on the output, and a loss of 1.3 Watts, there is issues that are not currently explained.