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Offline ayeaye

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Negative discharge effect
« on: September 11, 2014, 11:50:58 PM »
This experiment, it doesn't work any more, it looks like as if it were some paranormal phenomenon https://archive.org/details/ndischarge

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Negative discharge effect
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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 05:51:51 AM »
Hi folks! I succeeded to repeat the experiment. The effect was less than at previous time though, and appeared on another frequency. What it depends on, i don't exactly know. The video about this repeating the experiment is the last on that page, number 4. The circuit is also now simpler:

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https://archive.org/details/ndischarge

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 08:29:57 AM »
I wish I could figure out what you are getting at. You are using a frequency generator and a mosfet to charge a capacitor? Can you please explain, and can you please put a real drawing of your actual circuit somewhere where it can be examined? The text diagram doesn't mean much to me.

The mosfet's own capacitances will pass power quite well from Gate to Source or Drain, even if the Gate isn't leaking, when the right frequencies are used. It's a mistake to assume that a mosfet Gate drive signal is completely isolated from the load side of the circuit.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 08:29:57 AM »
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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2014, 10:04:26 AM »
The circuit diagram is in the video, but i will try to upload the original diagram also to the archive.org page.

Basically yes, there is a capacitor, a coil and a diode, and there is only switching, no external power source, yet voltage appears on the capacitor.

I'm well aware of the mosfet leaking, or maybe what i call leaking, you call capacitances passing power, but this is what i mean by mosfet leaking.

I did everything to measure the mosfet leaking, you see if you see the videos. I even tried to measure the input current of the mosfet, but it is infinitesimal, thus difficult to even detect. I used a circuit which had only one capacitor, no coil, and by measuring the voltage on the capacitor found that any mosfet leaking which there can be, can only cause more than 100 times less power than the power generated as an output. This was also done with the same frequency and duty cycle as the experiment.

But whatever mosfet leaking there is, all will end up in the capacitor. The mosfet's output capacitance empties itself to the circuit in each switching cycle. So the more frequent is the switching, the more the mosfet leaks, there is nothing more special to it in my simple mind. Thus with the ten times lower frequency the mosfet cannot leak more than with the ten times higher frequency.

To be more certain, one certainly may measure the leakage on different frequencies, but i don't think that it gives much more. In the last video i made a leakage test only by measuring the voltage on the capacitor with the frequency on which the effect clearly didn't work. Why i made only that test, is because i don't want to make people to do a test with only a mosfet and capacitor. Because this is dangerous and creates a condition similar to short circuit, which is a quick way to burn the mosfet and maybe even the signal generator.

Mosfet is very good for such applications. Some say mosfet switches faster than a transistor and its input power and leakage is much less than that of a transistor. When meaning by leakage both the capacitance leakage (or passing power) and current leakage.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2014, 12:23:03 PM »
Tried to draw it up, you can check it.
Personally I think its drawing from your micro controller but just my opinion.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2014, 12:59:10 PM »
Just my opinion, but I havent watched all your vids.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2014, 01:34:49 PM »
Yes the circuit is correct, thank you Dave45.

At left is a microcontroller, yes. KL25Z, a 32 bit ARM microcontroller, but can be any microcontroller.

The weird effect is, the source capacitor charges negatively (minus is up) the same as the charged capacitor, and they have almost the same voltage. But at that, back emf can only go to the charged capacitor, because the mosfet is closed during back emf. So it looks like that the coil still takes current from the source capacitor, when there is a voltage spike, but when that capacitor has no positive charge, it will be charged negatively.

This is the circuit diagram in the first videos, in the last video the circuit diagram was that:

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Re: Negative discharge effect
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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2014, 01:53:15 PM »
I think the pos bemf is passing through the transistor's diode and charging the backside of the cap.


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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2014, 02:03:19 PM »
An npn transistor passes neg to the coil and into the neg side of your caps.
The bemf from a neg pulsed coil is pos and charges the pos side of your caps.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2014, 02:03:19 PM »
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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2014, 03:04:02 PM »
irf 630 is avalanche rated, meaning its diode will pass pos current
http://www.vishay.com/docs/91031/sihf630p.pdf
Just my opinion but work it out for yourself
Check everything,

Offline ayeaye

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2014, 03:55:03 PM »
I will, i had no idea that there is any kind of diode inside.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2014, 04:16:35 PM »
Hello,

you are pumping gate-charges via the Miller-Capacitance into the Drain-terminal , pumping it via the inductance to capacitor ( LC-tank)
if pulse is shut off, negative puls is created ( collapse-spike ). After a while you will damage your electrolythic capacitor.


 http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/83712/gate-capacitance-and-miller-capacitance-on-the-mosfet

also see Vladimir Utkin-paper how to gather negative charge. Here starting on page 58, but be sure only to use
metal-foil-capacitors

http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/VladimirUtkin.pdf

Regards

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Offline ayeaye

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2014, 04:29:58 PM »
I see.

But why the effect appeared on different frequency when i repeated the experiment? While everything remained the same, the mosfet, the coil, the diodes, the capacitors. What changed, the mosfet, the coil's core, or the capacitors?

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2014, 04:34:53 PM »
Quote
Here starting on page 58
Yes the buck converter generates neg energy.
A pos pulsed coil has a neg bemf.

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Re: Negative discharge effect
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2014, 05:03:43 PM »
@ayeaye:a capacacitor is frequency-sensitive. Different frequency means different reactance, different reactance means different amount of charge transfered per period via Miller-Capacitance.
See here: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm
Capacitive reactance XC = 1 / (2 · π · f · C)
It´s not worth to persue IMHO, exept what Utkin proposes. I have to say however that I could not replicate his results with the negative charged capacitor. Energy in form of negative voltage was always less than existed before in the cap as positive voltage.



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