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Author Topic: How does one conclusively prove the validity of an overunity device on a video?  (Read 15266 times)

Offline gmbajszar

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Artificial unity.
Overbalanced Artificial.
Perpetual Unity.
It hurts when people don't believe it.

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Offline Lancair-ES

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@ Phaedrus,

YES, I believe it's possible.  Just try to film the unit from ALL SIDES and the BOTTOM.
Those of us that Still Have a Brain will recognize OVERUNITY when we see it.

Of course there are paid TROLLS out there that are Constant NAY SAYERS,
BUT just ignore them and MOVE FORWARD.

Thank you for wanting to HELP the WORLD.


                                                                          .
Can you explain how overunity can be recognized? Even IF it was possible to achieve, I have a feeling that it would take more than a brain to figure out why it is overunity.
Moving forward to a destination infinitely far away would not get you any closer. Moving forward by increasing efficiency closer to 100% would be more possible. The goal must first be to find a way to recycle energy effectively. Then you can try to increase efficiency further. Approaching 80-90% efficiency is hard enough. Making it 95-99% would be a sensation.


Offline phaedrus

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It may well be true that a video will never convince a Hard-Core Skeptic like MarkE.  But what if this Hard-Core Skeptic were to have a working Bessler Wheel right in front of him, rotating away?  Would the Hard-Core Skeptic be convinced then?  Could the Hard-Core Skeptic be convinced then?  Or would it be necessary to dismantle the machine before they would be convinced?  And even if that were done, I wonder if they would be convinced.  If you are so wedded to a certain view of the way the universe works, it might be very hard to have that view shattered (not even "might", it WOULD be).

But what I wanted to say was, IF this person could be convinced, IF it is possible to convince this person, then I would think that sure it is possible to do this with a video.  After all, think about it.  We possess 5 senses:  sight, hearing, touch, taste & smell.  A video recorder is able to make a streaming record of 2 of those senses.  Would the other 3 senses, taste, smell, or touch ever enter into what is necessary to do that convincing?  Taste and smell, I don't think so. Touch, possibly, but let's assume not.   Well then, let's let the person we are convincing go through all the motions they need to do to be convinced.  Now, repeat that same activity, except substitute a video camera for the person's eyes (perhaps they need to be seeing this with stereoscopic vision - well then, record the video stereoscopically) and (a) microphone(s) synchronized to the video for their ears.  Wouldn't that person then be convinced the same way they have been convinced before, seeing (and hearing) exactly what they had seen before?

But I wonder.  If a scientist had a working Bessler Wheel today, but it was the same deal as back in Johann Bessler's time, where he would not be allowed to see inside to know what is making it work, would that scientist be able to convince themselves that this was a Perpetual Motion Machine?

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Offline fletcher

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Absolutely not, & rightly so, without the definitive proof of math, or a working wheel that can be first dismantled to see the mechanics & then be independently replicated by others & validated, IMO.

Evidence & facts trump opinion, speculation & belief.

Offline MarkE

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It may well be true that a video will never convince a Hard-Core Skeptic like MarkE.  But what if this Hard-Core Skeptic were to have a working Bessler Wheel right in front of him, rotating away?  Would the Hard-Core Skeptic be convinced then?  Could the Hard-Core Skeptic be convinced then?  Or would it be necessary to dismantle the machine before they would be convinced?  And even if that were done, I wonder if they would be convinced.  If you are so wedded to a certain view of the way the universe works, it might be very hard to have that view shattered (not even "might", it WOULD be).

But what I wanted to say was, IF this person could be convinced, IF it is possible to convince this person, then I would think that sure it is possible to do this with a video.  After all, think about it.  We possess 5 senses:  sight, hearing, touch, taste & smell.  A video recorder is able to make a streaming record of 2 of those senses.  Would the other 3 senses, taste, smell, or touch ever enter into what is necessary to do that convincing?  Taste and smell, I don't think so. Touch, possibly, but let's assume not.   Well then, let's let the person we are convincing go through all the motions they need to do to be convinced.  Now, repeat that same activity, except substitute a video camera for the person's eyes (perhaps they need to be seeing this with stereoscopic vision - well then, record the video stereoscopically) and (a) microphone(s) synchronized to the video for their ears.  Wouldn't that person then be convinced the same way they have been convinced before, seeing (and hearing) exactly what they had seen before?

But I wonder.  If a scientist had a working Bessler Wheel today, but it was the same deal as back in Johann Bessler's time, where he would not be allowed to see inside to know what is making it work, would that scientist be able to convince themselves that this was a Perpetual Motion Machine?
People's senses are highly fallible.  One of the least reliable types of evidence is eye witness testimony. 

The best evidence of a scientific claim is multiple successful independent replications.

Strong evidence of the energy capacity of a machine is that machine delivering its energy into a load established and monitored by an independent third party.  Strong evidence that the device is not consuming an internal fuel is when under such test conditions the machine delivers more energy than could be stored inside by any known fuel.  Strong evidence that a machine is not receiving energy from the outside through trickery or inadvertent RF is when the machine is tested independently by a third party under conditions and at locations such as inside an RF screen room that are under the third party's control.


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Offline AB Hammer

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Absolutely not, & rightly so, without the definitive proof of math, or a working wheel that can be first dismantled to see the mechanics & then be independently replicated by others & validated, IMO.

Evidence & facts trump opinion, speculation & belief.

 I have to disagree with you to a point Fletcher.

 Definitive proof of math without a working wheel is not proof at all. The math is for those who can't believe their eyes to help them get a grip on it's reality. To disassemble is not needed as long as there are the parts for another wheel to assemble in front of them and it works the same. This also covers the independent validation. Not to mention that as soon as the video is out. Duplications will happen all over the world. The problem is when this happens there will be a lot of credit thieves out there for the people around them most likely will not know of the original wheel displayed.

Alan

Offline gmbajszar

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Higher than energy efficiency.

Overbalanced unity (perpetual unity) is a machine.

Now you can watch and believe it for yourself that this higher than E is possible and real.

It will change our world as we know it. What you see in the video is real.

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Offline Pirate88179

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Replications people...this is the ONLY way to do this.  Since this is an open source site, that should not really be a problem.  Even if only 2 or 3 people replicate a "working" design, then, the word is out and it is very hard to argue against it.  If indeed a design really works and is replicated, the design will go viral and no one, or entity can stop it.

So far, no one has done this.  I look forward to when it happens.

Bill

Offline CuriousChris

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Its easy

First you explain exactly where the energy comes from. Then you provide explicit plans.

At least anyone who doesn't believe you has something to ponder.

But if you cannot explain where the energy comes from, Give up! You are only fooling yourself you will not fool many others.

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Offline Lancair-ES

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I feel that there has been a big confusion between being a sceptic and being a realistic person. We all know that achieving overunity isn't that realistic.
Sceptics are people who doubts the validity of overunity, or think that things are possible in theory, but very hard to achieve in practice.
Realists are people who knows that the validity of overunity are false, and consequently cannot be done in practice.


There are more realists that sceptics in here I think. I am a realist, not a spetic (in my opinion  :D  )

Offline MarkE

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I feel that there has been a big confusion between being a sceptic and being a realistic person. We all know that achieving overunity isn't that realistic.
Sceptics are people who doubts the validity of overunity, or think that things are possible in theory, but very hard to achieve in practice.
Realists are people who knows that the validity of overunity are false, and consequently cannot be done in practice.


There are more realists that sceptics in here I think. I am a realist, not a spetic (in my opinion  :D  )
Technically, a skeptic is just a person who judges based on available evidence.  A cynic is someone who adheres to a belief system regardless of the available evidence. 

Over unity per se may be something that is very unlikely to ever be found.  But new sources of energy are still quite possible.  When a new source is found, if it is not recognized it will appear to be over unity.  I'll take whatever we can find that is:  cleaner, and hopefully cheaper and more practical than fossil fuel and the old style light water pressurized nukes.

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Offline cheappower2012

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To MarkE
Sometimes its very hard to figure out a skeptic a few of the other major
 skeptics here believe a free energy device is impossible,and even if possible it could never
come from anyone here(unwashed ignorant  masses)  not said in this manner, but have implied this.
So what is your opinion, do you think its possible a real free energy device could come from someone on this forum.

Offline ramset

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Lancair
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achieving  OU isn't that realistic. Sceptics are people who doubts the validity of OU or think that things are possible in theory, but very hard to achieve in practice.Realists are people who knows that the validity of Overunity are false, and consequently cannot be done in practice.


end quote


So I walk down the street the sky grows dark and I feel or hear a sound like a whisper that goes thru your toes to your scalp .....and BAAAM Flash
all hell breaks loose    a thunderstorm balancing the power flowing thru the atmosphere from the star 93 million miles away communing with the huge spinning mass of molten metal at the center of the planet....


Overunity ??
Naah no way we could ever figure that out ,  never happen,  where do you see evidence  or even a remote possibility that there could be excess energy looking for a  place to go ?


its not like energy is  falling from the sky or staring you right in the face...


silly guys


here is how far science has gone with something as complex and mind boggling as static electricity


http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation
[thx to wavewatcher for the link]


Mark E don't play for money with the man in the Cheappower suit [he will win]


 8)
thx
Chet

Offline MarkE

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To MarkE
Sometimes its very hard to figure out a skeptic a few of the other major
 skeptics here believe a free energy device is impossible,and even if possible it could never
come from anyone here(unwashed ignorant  masses)  not said in this manner, but have implied this.
So what is your opinion, do you think its possible a real free energy device could come from someone on this forum.
I think that it is very unlikely.  If in the unlikely event someone comes up with strong evidence  then it is only fair to objectively evaluate that evidence.

Offline Lancair-ES

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Lancair
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achieving  OU isn't that realistic. Sceptics are people who doubts the validity of OU or think that things are possible in theory, but very hard to achieve in practice.Realists are people who knows that the validity of Overunity are false, and consequently cannot be done in practice.


end quote


So I walk down the street the sky grows dark and I feel or hear a sound like a whisper that goes thru your toes to your scalp .....and BAAAM Flash
all hell breaks loose    a thunderstorm balancing the power flowing thru the atmosphere from the star 93 million miles away communing with the huge spinning mass of molten metal at the center of the planet....


Overunity ??
Naah no way we could ever figure that out ,  never happen,  where do you see evidence  or even a remote possibility that there could be excess energy looking for a  place to go ?


its not like energy is  falling from the sky or staring you right in the face...


silly guys


here is how far science has gone with something as complex and mind boggling as static electricity


http://news.sciencemag.org/chemistry/2014/05/static-electricity-defies-simple-explanation
[thx to wavewatcher for the link]


Mark E don't play for money with the man in the Cheappower suit [he will win]


 8)
thx
Chet
I obviously misspelled a LOT, or just put wrong words in the wrong order in my comment. I dot NOT believe in OU  ;) . I just tried with my locally learned English, here in some other country than England or the US, to explain the difference between a sceptic and a realist.


Scepsism does not occour from the one who has the knowledge, but from the one who does not. A realist (should) have the knowledge to say "No it wont work" instead of being sceptic. That was my point  :)


 

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