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Author Topic: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013  (Read 100846 times)

hoptoad

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #240 on: August 18, 2013, 11:14:10 PM »
Snooze alarm:

I hear a very gentle sound...
With your ear down to the ground...
We want the world and we want it now!

When the musics over,
Turn out the light.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #241 on: August 19, 2013, 01:10:08 AM »
I'm not shooting the messenger, I am just interested in accurate reporting.

She sneaks in a link to her Quantum magazine article, without mentioning the FACT that the article is incontrovertibly WRONG, so she is again making false claims from the outset.

The schematic included with that article cannot possibly make the duty cycle she claims to have used. This has been confirmed over and over again, most recently and definitively by Mark Euthanasius, as shown in the image of the scopeshots above.

So either one of two situations exist: Ainslie used the schematic in the article, which means the "ON" duty cycle she reported is FALSE and the claims made are WRONG.... or the circuit was operated with some other schematic! Or both!  Which makes the entire Quantum magazine article FALSE, another lie.
Further, Ainslie has known about this discrepancy since 2009, when I FIRST DISCOVERED AND POSTED ABOUT IT, (.99 also noted this discrepancy back then)  yet she has made no corrections, no retractions of the article and in fact has even allowed her friends, like GMEAST, to build the device without even informing him of any problems. His famous posting of his discovery is appended below.

I say again: either the schematic in the article WAS used, in which case the duty cycle reported and the data gathered are BOGUS, or the schematic in the article WAS NOT used, in which case the entire experimental situation, including the data collected, is false, bogus, another compendium of lies and false claims. There are no other alternatives!

Further, and even more hilarious, is the FACT that the Quantum circuit is just the unclamped inductive test circuit from the back of the IRFPG50 data sheet, with the substitution of the 555 timer instead of the FG the data sheet specifies. Even further.... the circuit is the same as the presently discredited 5-mosfet circuit, just without the "Q-array" of the four backwards-wired mosfets.

Are these undeniable and incontrovertible facts made clear in the article about Ainslie? Or is she to be allowed to continue to use your webpage as a forum to push her false claims, like the link to the Quantum magazine article which DEFINITELY contains false statements and claims?

I am amazed at the "defense" of the Quantum article that appears. It seems that the issue of publishing a FALSE SCHEMATIC is again considered unimportant, and I am utterly amazed by this.

Mark E's analysis is commendable. He came into this story rather late in its development but he has come "up to speed" rapidly, due to his knowledge and experience. Is it too technical for your wide audience, though? Suffice it to say that  the article as published by Ainslie is simply bogus and should not be referred to or linked to without a clear statement of this FACT.


The fact that the 555 PWM circuit did not work as illustrated really didn't bother me much because I simply switched to using a single channel from the 3-Phase digital PWM I designed and had been using in my exploration of Bob Boyce's toroidal transformer self-charging battery circuit technology that used his Hex controller. That technology drew great interest after Johann from S. Africa posted his 4 (famous) videos showing the Hex controller self-charging a battery. Nothing came of it though. The Inductive Resistor research I've conducted and continue to do so does NOT / did NOT mirror Ainslie's work. I never built and tested that complete array as pictured and argued in these forums. My variant is quite different (simpler) and the protocols are altogether different.  I'm still adamant that there is something to the Inductive Resistor Heater based on what I've been able to show ... disclosed and undisclosed.


I hope this clarifies that I was NOT misled in any way by Rosemary Ainslie. I subsequently made the 555 PWM circuit perform in the frequency and duty cycle range referred to in the articles/papers. But now my variant is self-oscillating and based on simple 'blocking oscillator' principles.


I know that an FG was the only input signal device ever used, and that (her advisors/reviewers) were the ones insisting on including the 555 PWM circuit in all publications/disclosures ... that's what I was told anyway. Rosemary Ainslie did NOT perpetrate and was NOT part of any intentional deception ... that's my belief.


Regards,


GME

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #242 on: August 19, 2013, 01:50:08 AM »
@Gmeast:
Are you saying that you used the same component values and the same schematic that Ainslie published, and you were able to make it make a short ON duty cycle, at 2.4 kHz as she claimed?

If so, I would really like to see some scopeshots. Because your claim is at variance with _every body else_ who has ever built and tested that circuit, in hardware or in simulation. Perhaps you have erred; I can't believe that all those people including .99, SWeir, MarkE, the folks at Energetic Forum, and many others have erred and you are right.

Now, when you DID start out to build her circuit, the very first thing you noticed was that the 555 timer "didn't work", and you asked if anyone else had actually built the circuit. Remember that? I do.

The paper makes the claim that the published 555 timer circuit was used. If this is not the case, then the paper is wrong, it is making a false claim and her plea for replications is... disingenuous to say the least. If the 555 timer circuit WAS used, then the duty cycle claimed in the article is impossible. If some other duty cycle was used... then the paper is wrong and her plea for replications is.... well you know.

What are the other alternatives? Please explain.

The duty cycle issue was brought up, hashed over and, I thought, settled in 2009. That is, dear GMeast, Ainslie has known since 2009 that the circuit published would not make the duty cycle claimed. Yet... she let you proceed without even warning you. I think this is dishonest, you may not. What do you call it?

(By the way.... she has always insisted that the 555 circuit WAS USED, until just the past couple of weeks. If she had in fact used a FG instead... .why in the world did she NEVER MENTION it back in 2009 when everybody and his brother were "replicating" this circuit? I know why, and in your heart I think you probably do too.)




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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #243 on: August 19, 2013, 02:06:16 AM »
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....Rosemary Ainslie did NOT perpetrate and was NOT part of any intentional deception ... that's my belief.
Regards,
GME
Does your belief in her honesty extend to the 5-mosfet circuit and claims? Because she most certainly DID perform an intentional deception back in 2011.

The Demo video was released in mid-March with the claim that all five mosfets were in parallel, and it was not until April 19, about, that .99 finally showed the correct schematic, after he looked very carefully at the circuit because he was _unable to reproduce_ the Ainslie scopetraces precisely. No wonder, because he was using the CLAIMED schematic which was an intentional deception, as Ainslie herself was then forced to admit. Over four hundred forum posts, discussing her CLAIMED but not used schematic, occurred in the interval, and .99 was not the only person wasting his time on a false schematic. To top it off, Ainslie said that she wished that he had NOT revealed the truth, she actually wanted the deception to continue!


Note her statement: "We showed it in the video. We just didn't draw anyone's attention to that positioning".
Now go and watch the "Donny Blooper Reel" and tell me again that Ainslie wasn't engaging in intentional deception.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #244 on: August 19, 2013, 02:13:18 AM »
I just want to point out something here.

There are several people making claims of various sorts in this thread. Yet.... the only ones who appear to be providing _evidence_ in the form of checkable outside references, demonstrations, and so on.... are ...Poynt99 and Little old me. (Reference: Check the posts above. If I've made a claim for which I hace not provided some necessary support, please let me know and I'll remedy the situation asap.)

Others are of course welcome and strongly encouraged to provide the same kinds of evidence, for THEIR claims. Or any evidence at all for that matter.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #245 on: August 19, 2013, 02:14:59 AM »
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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #246 on: August 19, 2013, 03:14:16 AM »
As anyone can see from looking at the schematics I attached above, the Quantum magazine circuit _without_ the 555 timer is just exactly the circuit given in the back of the IRFPG50 data sheet as the "Unclamped inductive test" circuit. With the exception of the place where the "Black" FG lead will wind up when it is subbed in. The inductive test circuit has the FG Black output on the correct side of the current sense resistor and the Quantum circuit has it at the common circuit ground, the main battery negative terminal. We know that the latter arrangement creates a current path that bypasses the current sense resistor, so the current values gained with this arrangement will not indicate the total current.

So are we to believe that the plain old unclamped inductive test circuit in the back of the IRFPG50 data sheet -- and in the data sheets of many other mosfets as well -- is Over Unity and nobody noticed before Ainslie did? Or is it the 555 timer that makes it OU, makes it special?


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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #247 on: August 19, 2013, 05:58:18 AM »
@Gmeast:
Are you saying that you used the same component values and the same schematic that Ainslie published, and you were able to make it make a short ON duty cycle, at 2.4 kHz as she claimed?

If so, I would really like to see some scopeshots. Because your claim is at variance with _every body else_ who has ever built and tested that circuit, in hardware or in simulation. Perhaps you have erred; I can't believe that all those people including .99, SWeir, MarkE, the folks at Energetic Forum, and many others have erred and you are right.

Now, when you DID start out to build her circuit, the very first thing you noticed was that the 555 timer "didn't work", and you asked if anyone else had actually built the circuit. Remember that? I do.

The paper makes the claim that the published 555 timer circuit was used. If this is not the case, then the paper is wrong, it is making a false claim and her plea for replications is... disingenuous to say the least. If the 555 timer circuit WAS used, then the duty cycle claimed in the article is impossible. If some other duty cycle was used... then the paper is wrong and her plea for replications is.... well you know.

What are the other alternatives? Please explain.

The duty cycle issue was brought up, hashed over and, I thought, settled in 2009. That is, dear GMeast, Ainslie has known since 2009 that the circuit published would not make the duty cycle claimed. Yet... she let you proceed without even warning you. I think this is dishonest, you may not. What do you call it?

(By the way.... she has always insisted that the 555 circuit WAS USED, until just the past couple of weeks. If she had in fact used a FG instead... .why in the world did she NEVER MENTION it back in 2009 when everybody and his brother were "replicating" this circuit? I know why, and in your heart I think you probably do too.)


The component values were NOT the same. The component relationships were, however. To give me more flexibility, I replaced one of the fixed resistors with a potentiometer (as a variable resistor). I never took a scope shot, nor will I now because that stuff was torn down long ago, besides I had my digi-PWM which is far superior in its utility to the 555 but not as energy thrifty as the 555.


I never really set out to build HER circuit since I had messed around with the Inductive Resistor Heater concept in the distant past ... long before ever hearing of the Quantum article or Rosemary Ainslie. I simply resurrected an old project and posted where it seemed appropriate ... big mistake!


I don't have anything more to add than that.


Regards,


GME

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #248 on: August 19, 2013, 07:32:03 AM »
Thank you for your honest answer.
So, you did NOT use the same component values, you also installed a third variable resistor. You do realize, I hope, that that makes it a _different circuit_ than what Ainslie claimed. So of course I don't need to see a scopeshot: you aren't claiming to have used her circuit to make a short ON duty cycle at all, so I have no argument with you on that issue.

Now, think about this: The circuit in the schematic she posted produces the frequency she claimed to use very easily, and it produces the _exact_ inverse duty cycle range. Can you come up with a scenario that would cause that to happen by accident?  I mean say someone  intended to make a 4 percent ON duty cycle, and made a mistake in drawing the schematic or selecting components, so that actually the exact inverse resulted?

Here's what I believe, and why. I think that Ainslie and her team did not grasp, at the time, that in her circuit the voltage measured at the Drain will be HIGH, at battery voltage, when the mosfet is OFF, and the drain voltage drops to near the zero voltage level when the mosfet is ON. I think she expected that ON means HIGH and OFF means LOW measured at the drain. The reason I think this is because it was very clear, in 2009 when the issue was being discussed on Energetic Forum, that people like Aaron and Ashtweth also thought this way, along with Ainslie herself. It got to the point where Aaron suggested a simple circuit to test the facts, so I made a video for him showing the fact with a simple switch and a mosfet and a voltmeter.
So, the 555 timer in the magazine makes a perfect 3.7 or 4 percent HI drain voltage in her circuit, with no problem at all. The problem is that this results in a duty cycle at the LOAD of 96 percent ON.

Why don't you ask her what the Drain voltage is when the mosfet is ON and when it is OFF, and see what kind of answer you get.



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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #249 on: August 19, 2013, 08:17:04 AM »
Thank you for your honest answer.
So, you did NOT use the same component values, you also installed a third variable resistor. You do realize, I hope, that that makes it a _different circuit_ than what Ainslie claimed. So of course I don't need to see a scopeshot: you aren't claiming to have used her circuit to make a short ON duty cycle at all, so I have no argument with you on that issue.

Now, think about this: The circuit in the schematic she posted produces the frequency she claimed to use very easily, and it produces the _exact_ inverse duty cycle range. Can you come up with a scenario that would cause that to happen by accident?  I mean say someone  intended to make a 4 percent ON duty cycle, and made a mistake in drawing the schematic or selecting components, so that actually the exact inverse resulted?

Here's what I believe, and why. I think that Ainslie and her team did not grasp, at the time, that in her circuit the voltage measured at the Drain will be HIGH, at battery voltage, when the mosfet is OFF, and the drain voltage drops to near the zero voltage level when the mosfet is ON. I think she expected that ON means HIGH and OFF means LOW measured at the drain. The reason I think this is because it was very clear, in 2009 when the issue was being discussed on Energetic Forum, that people like Aaron and Ashtweth also thought this way, along with Ainslie herself. It got to the point where Aaron suggested a simple circuit to test the facts, so I made a video for him showing the fact with a simple switch and a mosfet and a voltmeter.
So, the 555 timer in the magazine makes a perfect 3.7 or 4 percent HI drain voltage in her circuit, with no problem at all. The problem is that this results in a duty cycle at the LOAD of 96 percent ON.

Why don't you ask her what the Drain voltage is when the mosfet is ON and when it is OFF, and see what kind of answer you get.


The success of my circuit is at an operational duty cycle of around 24% and nearly 500,000 Hz. I won't ask her anything, because I don't care. You now know what little information she shared with me before she stabbed me in the back with all of that poynty-head crap. So please don't ask me anything else ... I don't know anything more.


Regards

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #250 on: August 19, 2013, 01:19:33 PM »
So let me summarize then, before you head off, so you can correct any misinterpretations.

Really, your circuit is nothing like "hers", the unclamped inductive test circuit in the back of the IRFPG50 data sheet, is it. No driver chip in that circuit or in anything Ainslie has ever presented!

Your comments then do not really apply to either the 5-mosfet circuit or the Quantum single-mosfet circuit, then, do they?

You used different components in your 555 timer, you don't use the timer at all now, your operating parameters (500kHz @ 24% ON) are nothing like what Ainslie claimed (2.4 kHz @ 3.6 or 4 percent ON) and you state that Ainslie only shared a little information with you before she "stabbed you in the back".

And you still maintain that Ainslie does not engage in deception, only error.


Is that a fair statement of what you've said here in the past few posts? I don't want to misrepresent your position, Gmeast. If you don't care, one wonders why you bothered to post in this thread at all. If it's in response to me mentioning you a bit above ..... let me remind you that YOU mentioned ME first.

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #251 on: August 19, 2013, 03:10:49 PM »
So let me summarize then, before you head off, so you can correct any misinterpretations.

Really, your circuit is nothing like "hers", the unclamped inductive test circuit in the back of the IRFPG50 data sheet, is it. No driver chip in that circuit or in anything Ainslie has ever presented!

Your comments then do not really apply to either the 5-mosfet circuit or the Quantum single-mosfet circuit, then, do they?

You used different components in your 555 timer, you don't use the timer at all now, your operating parameters (500kHz @ 24% ON) are nothing like what Ainslie claimed (2.4 kHz @ 3.6 or 4 percent ON) and you state that Ainslie only shared a little information with you before she "stabbed you in the back".

And you still maintain that Ainslie does not engage in deception, only error.


Is that a fair statement of what you've said here in the past few posts? I don't want to misrepresent your position, Gmeast. If you don't care, one wonders why you bothered to post in this thread at all. If it's in response to me mentioning you a bit above ..... let me remind you that YOU mentioned ME first.
blah, blah, blah TK. I think others reading my recent posts here can decide on their own what my motive(s) are in these last posts ... that it was only honesty and clarification. They can also see you are always looking for a fight. Let it rest. Go seek help for your aggression ... find a good shrink.

TinselKoala

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #252 on: August 19, 2013, 03:20:34 PM »
See, it's impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you at all. You cannot simply stick to the points under discussion and you respond to reasonable statements and questions with insults and ad-hominem attacks.

But since you don't object to anything in my summary of your points, I take it that you don't object to anything in my summary.

1. You did not replicate the claimed 3 or 4 percent HI duty cycle using the same components and circuit that Ainslie claimed.
2. Your apparatus operates at vastly different frequency and duty cycle than either of Ainslie's apparatuses.
3. You stated that Ainslie stabbed you in the back after not giving you very much information.
4. I provided you with proof, in her own words, of a deliberate and serious deception that Ainslie and Martin perpetrated in March of 2011, and I asked you if you still believed in your statement that she is not deliberately deceptive. You declined to answer and instead insulted me.

I ask you once again: is this a fair summary of the past few posts from you? If it isn't, please correct me WITHOUT INSULTING ME, you bloviating troll.

And while you are at it, give me an example of what you call my "aggression" and show how it is more aggressive than your comments imaged below.



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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #253 on: August 19, 2013, 04:09:15 PM »
wow.its refreshing to have a different point of view frm gmeast.it seems not everybody is on the attak-and-destroy-at-all-costs mission here..

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Re: New Rosemary Ainslie Demonstration Scheduled for Sunday, 4 August 2013
« Reply #254 on: August 20, 2013, 12:19:58 AM »
Quote from: MileHigh
Snooze alarm:

Quote from: 0.99
That's the kind of non-answer I've come to expect from you.

The bottom line is this; I'm not really interested in your hollow hints, crumbs of wisdom, opinions, speculations or philosophies. What interests me is seeing a setup and the measurements thereof, that you believe achieves something out of the ordinary or beyond what conventional science predicts.

Can you do that?

I hear a very gentle sound...
With your ear down to the ground...
We want the world and we want it now!

MH,

Aye, those who want the world are very close
to realizing their dream AGENDA.  The manipulated
turmoil in Egypt and soon to inflame all of the Middle
East does not bode well for the inhabitants of planet
Earth.

0.99,

Aye, you've restated the obvious.  The ratio seems to
be about 10:1 in that for every 10 "not interested"
there will be one "thank you, I know what to do with
that."

What has been proposed in the way of creative
innovation (tricks of the trade) to enhance performance
is well established "conventional science" in the field.  To
re-emphasize a pointer;  the electronics manufacturer's
Application Notes are perhaps the best sources of little
known esoteric knowledge which will surely nurture
profound insights into electronic circuit operations.

There are indeed technologies which are able to achieve
something out of the ordinary or beyond what conventional
science predicts, but I choose not to go there.  Those tech-
nologies are very destructive and they originate from places
which are not good.

Speaking of science;  this video is quite interesting.