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Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #465 on: January 22, 2014, 03:28:19 PM »

As far as I remember it was you and only you who insisted that the whipmag video was proof of OU. The creator of the video always denied your interpretation. But you didn't listen and stalked him instead with your conspiracy theories. And now you blame him for your self delusion.
I seem to be the one whose being stalked at present.  :D

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #466 on: January 22, 2014, 04:31:39 PM »
I'm beginning to like the sound of this "Travis Effect", Red. Where's the best place to read about it.
Grimer,
Wayne Travis has a topic running on his invention, here at overunity.com, 200+ pages, address below
http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/#.Ut_j8_vfrUI
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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #467 on: January 22, 2014, 04:43:50 PM »
I am sorry, but this opaque statement does not state anything specific. Please point me to where I may find a description of the "Travis Effect" by HER. Or alternatively, please state the specific characteristics that define it.   ..................................
MarkE,
You can find all published & public information on the Travis invention here,
LINK: http://www.overunity.com/10596/hydro-differential-pressure-exchange-over-unity-system/#.Ut_j8_vfrUI
The inventor "Wayne Travis" is a member of this forum and can be reached through mail if needed.

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.......................  I reiterate that the aquarium demonstrations failed to demonstrate anything other than Archimedes' Principle. .........................................................................
I ALSO reiterate that the aquarium demonstrations DO NOT demonstrate anything other than Archimedes' Principles.  No disagreement here.

This is the 2de or 3th reiteration on the aquarium, please do not insist to remain misguided.

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MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #468 on: January 22, 2014, 04:48:31 PM »
Red_Sunset, would you kindly be more specific about where HER has stated what they claim the  "Travis Effect" is than just somewhere in a thread with thousands of posts?  Surely if HER spelled out what they claim that all important principle is you copied down their statement or know about when they stated it, or where the post is where they stated it.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #469 on: January 22, 2014, 06:32:30 PM »
Red_Sunset, would you kindly be more specific about where HER has stated what they claim the  "Travis Effect" is than just somewhere in a thread with thousands of posts?  Surely if HER spelled out what they claim that all important principle is you copied down their statement or know about when they stated it, or where the post is where they stated it. 
MarkE,
HER never coined the word "Travis Effect", this was one of  Tom's terms he used to describe the effects that conspired to create a advantage.(Tom is not a HER employee, he volunteered to do these aquarium video's on a casual friendly basis)
Wayne Travis did not use this term to describe the working of his invention, or he was apathetic to the term if I recall correctly.  He tried to provide a progressive detailed flow that was partly thwarted by certain member with a brash disposition.(the reason for the high post count).
I already gave you a very high level short overview on the key principle in a previous post, To understand the details on how it works you will need to filter out all of Wayne's posts to get a reasonable progressive flow on the detailed working of the device.
Let me assure, the concept is not that easily understood instantly. Set aside a few weeks to allow everything to mesh into place.
There is no quick fix for this one.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #470 on: January 22, 2014, 06:39:03 PM »
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Archimedes vs Displacement Replacement.
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Thanks Webby !!

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #471 on: January 22, 2014, 06:49:16 PM »
Red_Sunset at the end of the day HER make the extraordinary claim that they can extract energy for free, and indefinitely from a gravitational field.  Tom presented as their representative that the reason they can do this incredible thing is that they discovered what Tom, and Wayne, and many others call the "Travis Effect".  Yet, whenever anyone tries to pin down what it is that HER claim to have discovered by any name that they wish to call it, nothing substantial or specific comes back. 

Years after HER first made their extraordinary claim there is neither a statement of an operating principle that would allow for their claims, nor is there demonstration that evidences their extraordinary claim.  There are a series of videos that claim to show an effect that violates Archimedes' Principle when in fact they do not.  They misrepresent air as responsible for buoyant force when it is not.  They represent in the videos that they are revealing a discovery, when in fact they show nothing that hasn't been known for over 2000 years.

Extraordinary claims, no affirmative evidence, and misrepresentations add to: nothing of value.

TinselKoala

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #472 on: January 22, 2014, 06:54:32 PM »
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He tried to provide a progressive detailed flow that was partly thwarted by certain member with a brash disposition.(the reason for the high post count).

The truth is quite the contrary. Travis resisted over and over providing any real data. He continually claimed to have working prototypes that were self-running and producing excess power. In a pdf presentation designed to attract new investors he promised to put a 50 kW generating plant at his church in six months if he got funding. None of the investors who saw the full presentation, in person, along with whatever Travis actually had built at the time... none of them chose to invest. Years later.... there is still no working prototype that does what Travis claims. He has recently "gone private", removing from the public view most of the overt claims that he was making those years ago.

Travis paid Webby a fair chunk of change for demonstrating what we all were calling the "travis effect" in a nested set of transparent tubes. Yet.... here Webby is now, posting on gravity motor threads, instead of getting paid big bucks working directly with Travis in Oklahoma to bring his marvellous free energy machine to market. Flat packable like Ikea furniture! 20 kW in the footprint of a garden shed! No input, no exhaust, just power out for free. But where is the working prototype that he claimed to have? Why is Travis's home and workshop still connected to the grid? I know why, and so do you, Red. He has devices that almost work. They leak, they run down, they require lots of weird acronyms to keep the investors hopeful and out of the lawyer's offices. ZED, TAZ, rotary ZED, and more. Travis _asked_ for his thread to be closed, so that he would not have to field the hard questions. The questions... and the thread... remain, however.

Anyone who might be interested in Travis really ought to take a look at that old locked thread, to see the kind of things people were saying and what they did.

conradelektro

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #473 on: January 22, 2014, 07:06:36 PM »
Strange thought, gut feeling, after reading a bit the old Travis thread:

Red_Sunset comes over a lot like Travis? Are they the same person? May be not, but I got that impression from style and arguments put forward.

I may be wrong, it is not an accusation and I could not care less.

Greetings, Conrad

powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #474 on: January 22, 2014, 07:33:41 PM »
IMO

Archimedes vs Displacement Replacement.

Work with fluids is pressure and volume.

The Displacement Replacement item occupies 90 percent of the vessel.

Each vessel is limited to a 10 percent lift of the height of the vessel.

Both vessels have the same dimensions.

Archimedes requires the full volume of the vessel to be moved.

Displacement Replacement requires 10 percent of the volume moved.

Archimedes lifts with no further input.

Displacement Replacement requires another 10 percent volume added.

For the same lift the Displacement Replacement vessel requires 20 percent of the input work as the Archimedes vessel.

OU? maybe not, but a more efficient method, yes.

Now transfer the stored potential into a second unit at the starting depth to make another lift.  By using the stored potential the input costs become the difference in pressure created by the change in height within the water column.

Again, the Archimedes requires the full volume and the Displacement Replacement requires 20 percent of the volume.

This is what the videos were trying to demonstrate.

There is a non-intuitive component to the multiple riser system that no video or demonstration was made for.  This is a strange phenomenon that I myself do not understand the "how" or "why" of, but it is present in the system.

The system response to lift and the force transfers to outside weight are not the same as the descent.  It is as if the weight left on the risers gets focused into the inner most riser\pod chamber and holds a higher pressure value on the ejected fluid from the pod chamber for a longer duration than it should, and it is this recovery condition that is an important part to the function of the system.

In the testbed I built, the motion of the pod\risers was not the same going up as they were going down.  If I used a solid single top riser kind of setup where I had all the risers locked together the system responded differently, if I locked some and not others, again the system response was different.

In short, it took less weight to maintain pressure on the way down than the system lifted with the same pressure.


Edit to Add:  IMO


What a lot of plausible sounding BS, $2000 is the only thing that you really believed in, after claiming you have achieved OU, you never had it independently verified or were capable of demonstrating a self-runner, and let's face it if you really had discovered OU why would you waste your time working on anything else ?, One over-unity device not enough for you ? 


Some people join this website to learn how to make (claims) of OU sound convincing without ever having to show proper evidence, there have been so many,(in fact all the threads so far have never had a real working OU device)
Luckily some of the threads are from genuine people, doing research in the hope that one day they will achieve OU, but we really could do with less idiots and conman who claimed they have done it and know how it works, but can never have it verified or demonstrate a working device under laboratory conditions,


For anyone that miss it Wayne Travis is a liar and conman.

Red_Sunset

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #475 on: January 22, 2014, 07:56:28 PM »
The Hammerheads are here, circling !!
BEST APPROACH TO THIS FORUM, treat it like a flee market.
If you like something, check it out good and make your own assessment.
Do not rely on any by-passer to tell you what is the right McCoy!
There are some great treasure buys here, but use your head and do not loose it.
Stay cool !

Red_Sunset

PS: Conrad, they are not the same, but since you can not validate it, you can not believe it.
We are dealing with a virtual truth !

powercat

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #476 on: January 22, 2014, 08:17:55 PM »
Warning in all markets they are conman trying to convince you they have great products and that they know what they're talking about, but don't worry they never stay too long,  people in time can see through there broken words and inability to deliver what they preach .

Grimer

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #477 on: January 22, 2014, 08:25:23 PM »
Hi Grimer,
    conditions are awful for the poor sheep. I've been working on this land for 55 years and this is the
 wettest I have ever seen it.
  I like you Grimer, you've got a sense of humour, a thing a lot of contributors don't seem to have.
I have been on  a similar journey with Fletcher-we never got anywhere, but I enjoyed the ride.
 Glad to hear you've got grandchildren, we've got a baby in the house at the moment and I just
can't imagine how my wife and me managed when we had four in under five years.
                                                      John.


Yep, I've got grandsheep in spades - and hearts - and diamonds - and clubs.


Here's the three St Albans families in June 2000.

MarkE

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #478 on: January 22, 2014, 08:29:41 PM »
HER were supposed to have a system set-up for Mark Dansie to observe operating for 48 hours as an initial test over two years ago.  That never happened.  The "instrumented" machine was built and supposedly run two years ago this spring.  Again, nothing came of it.

HER is about five years in.  The lawsuit suggests that the early investors are getting restless.

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Re: Big try at gravity wheel
« Reply #479 on: January 22, 2014, 10:34:29 PM »
MarkE .. IIRC, HER is claiming to have found 'efficiency differences' between the upstroke & downstroke cycles, leading to a COP > 1, IINM.

This descriptive is interesting in itself, as they acknowledge that there is no OU, but that the ordinary system energy losses can be mitigated by different technology use at certain stages - and the combined result is excess useable mechanical output energy greater than the input energy.

How this is not COP > 1 I am not sure.

They were also adamant IIRC that environmental heat energy [or air pressure, for example] did not enter or leave the closed system as part of the Carnot Cycle re: adiabatic warming & isothermal cooling legs, etc.

FWIW my impression at the time was that the technology wasn't claimed to be OU or PM or contravene the known Laws of Physics - yet could somehow output more energy than input energy required, but didn't use any environmental energy input to supplement conservative gravity - perhaps my recollection has faded over the lapsed time period [I know my interest has] so don't take it as gospel.