Author Topic: Does Dr. Steven Jones Still Post Here? (Read 17250 times)

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 23, 2013, 07:36:57 AM »

Welcome back Dr. Jones. It is great to see you here again.

Bill

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #16 on:** April 23, 2013, 03:50:43 PM »

Thanks, Bill.

(Please note that I have been posting at OU fairly recently, three posts on 15 April for instance.)

e2matrix · « **Reply #17 on:** April 23, 2013, 06:39:28 PM »

Good to see you here Steve! I'm glad you found this thread as I expected ... especially since my recollection is not always the best with all the info I read daily but it seemed clear to me that there were untruths and nonsense being flung about in that video and the links on that youtube page. Are you familiar with who made the video posted in the first message by JamesThomas?

e2matrix · « **Reply #18 on:** April 23, 2013, 08:27:47 PM »

A very interesting video about cold fusion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1-ruFNzr7kk
This video is posted by the very lucid AlienScientist. Note his video's were being pulled from youtube due to harassment by one THOMAS Potter. See www.alienscientist.com for details. Thomas Potter also has a history of harassing 9/11 Victim's Family Members, and various 9/11 research groups and conspiracy theorists. Since Dr. Steven Jones has been involved in research of what really caused the 9/11 towers to collapse I have to ask if the double first name member here JamesTHOMAS is related to this Thomas Potter. Note that I am asking but not accusing. It's just one of those coincidences that is hard to ignore as I know how people often choose their screen names on the Internet by recycling parts of a name in different ways.

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #19 on:** April 23, 2013, 09:51:38 PM »

Quote from: e2matrix on April 23, 2013, 06:39:28 PM

Good to see you here Steve! I'm glad you found this thread as I expected ... especially since my recollection is not always the best with all the info I read daily but it seemed clear to me that there were untruths and nonsense being flung about in that video and the links on that youtube page. Are you familiar with who made the video posted in the first message by JamesThomas?

No, but I would be interested to find out who this "FringeReality" is... Note that she/he references the site nomoregames (Morgan Reynolds et al. IIRC) which may be a clue.

The statement with the vid contains errors of fact:

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Uploaded on Oct 16, 2010
Steven Jones, took a little tip from the Department of Energy (then under the regime of oil-man George H. W. Bush?) and proceeded to hastily put together his own sinkable version of the Ponds-Fleishman [sic] cold fusion discovery,

That is a lie. Its just false and unfounded.
My work on cold fusion pre-dates learning about P_F by years -- see my historical note referenced in my first thread here.

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"denounced their claims of excess heat, and helped pave the way for the eventual dismissal of the government funding of the research (well, the MIT false negative study didn't help either) by forcing Ponds and Fleishman to present their findings before the peer-review process was complete."

Wait, how can she/he say I {FORCED} them to present their findings early -- are these not grown men? How did I force them? I did not.

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" The science is now being studied and many peer-reviewed papers have been written about it. Whether it was or was not the revolution Ponds and Fleishman [sic] thought they had found, the Truth is... our hero, Steven Jones, was there to do the bidding of the hot fusion researchers and the oil executives like George H. W. Bush and help submarine the study with his own flawed "research".

a lot more info:
http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page...
http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/i...

How is my own research "flawed"? the low-level d-d fusion effect has been verified in experiments in Japan and Europe.

I did NOT "do the bidding of the hot fusion researchers and the oil executives like George H. W. Bush ". I do not even like George Bush or oil executives, at all!!! (I do have some "hot fusion" friends, but I was not and am not doing their bidding.)

Furthermore, those who understand the difference between LENR and d-d FUSION (which P&F were claiming, against my strong advice to them NOT to claim FUSION) may now understand my concerns back in 1989.

I urged P&F to NOT call their anomalous heat "FUSION" -- it is not d-d fusion that generates that much heat since there are not COMMENSURATE fusion products. That was and is my argument, physics-based and not ad hominem.

As I have said, I accept that there is a strongly-evidenced anomalous heat effect -- but it is not d-d fusion! (I am quite sure, based on analyses and experiments which continue.)

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2013, 10:21:23 PM »

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How did I force them? I did not.

Again, our team had and reported a TINY tiny d-d fusion enhancement for deuterons in a metallic lattice environment. (See the journal Nature, April 1989.) P&F claimed "excess heat" -- fine -- but that is NOT a d-d FUSION effect! (I have explained why, based on solid principles and experiments.) I get hoarse repeating this over and over -- since 1989!

Thus, from my point of view, I did not threaten them with my research or my reports of my research -- we had a tiny fusion effect, they had xs heat -- and the tiny numbers of neutrons we saw was and remains a SEPARATE and distinct effect! At one point, IIRC, they called it "neutron-less heat" which should immediately draw a distinction between the tiny d-d-fusion-neutron effect we claimed and the xs heat effect they claimed.

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2013, 10:23:49 PM »

PS -- I like AlienScientist mentioned by E2M above -- he asked me about this history, did his own research, and has then tried (like me) to set the record straight.

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #22 on:** April 24, 2013, 09:55:57 PM »

Does JamesThomas still post here?

kooler · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2013, 01:56:36 AM »

Quote from: JouleSeeker on April 24, 2013, 09:55:57 PM

Does JamesThomas still post here?

ha.ha,, good question

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2013, 02:02:25 PM »

@JamesThomas: I await your replies.

My work on cold fusion pre-dates learning about Pons and Fleischmann by years -- see my historical note here: http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/131history.html

I urged P&F to NOT call their anomalous heat "FUSION" -- it is not d-d fusion that generates that much heat since there are not COMMENSURATE fusion products. That was and is my argument, physics-based and not ad hominem. Martin Fleischmann agreed with me finally, saying it was a mistake to call the excess heat "fusion" in the first place, may he rest in peace (he passed away last year).

As I have said, I accept that there is a strongly-evidenced anomalous heat effect -- but my physics-based conclusion was and is that this heat is not due to d-d fusion.

Slides from the seminar given on alternative energy at the University of Missouri in Oct. 2012:

http://pesn.com/2012/11/19/9602225_Steven_Jones_replica--Pons_and_Fleischmann_XS_Heat_not_from_fusion/StevenJonesSeminarAtUnivMissouriOct2012.pdf

e2matrix · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2013, 06:10:20 PM »

Thanks for sharing that Steven. Very nice work! I had not realized you were so knowledgable on cold fusion until this message thread.

Maybe JamesThomas IS Thomas Potter and he decided the 'gig' was up - LOL.

e2matrix · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2013, 06:15:30 PM »

Thanks for sharing that Steven. Very nice work! I had not realized you were so knowledgeable on cold fusion until this message thread. Now I understand why you were interested in the Davey 'bell' on EF. Just a side question if you have any thoughts on it - do you think Rossi has something valid which can produce useful energy with his E-Cat?

Maybe JamesThomas IS Thomas Potter and he decided the 'gig' was up - LOL.

NickZ · « **Reply #27 on:** April 27, 2013, 01:59:51 AM »

Dr. Steven:
Thank you for uploading the previous information on your work and results, it is still all very interesting and informative.
Somehow I feel that not only the NASA, but other scientists, as well as some corporations, and their labs are not putting all the cards on the table.
NickZ

JouleSeeker · « **Reply #28 on:** April 27, 2013, 04:47:47 PM »

Quote from: e2matrix on April 26, 2013, 06:15:30 PM

Thanks for sharing that Steven. Very nice work! I had not realized you were so knowledgeable on cold fusion until this message thread. Now I understand why you were interested in the Davey 'bell' on EF. Just a side question if you have any thoughts on it - do you think Rossi has something valid which can produce useful energy with his E-Cat?

Maybe JamesThomas IS Thomas Potter and he decided the 'gig' was up - LOL.

Thanks E2matrix and NickZ. I'm deeply interested and experimentally involved in "cold fusion" approaches [now more of an umbrella term]. I should point also to recent experiments by Woopy and others using H2O (not D2O) and an orange glow around the cathode during the electrolysis using pulsed DC or AC through a FWBR. Exciting stuff, and note the radio-frequency emissions also, reminiscent of the work at NRL (where they use D2O mostly).

I'm awaiting more data from Rossi's e-cat. I've written him, encouraged him to show his gamma spectra -- which could provide COMPELLING data for a nuclear (LENR) effect. Why will he not do this?

e2matrix · « **Reply #29 on:** April 27, 2013, 05:52:06 PM »

Quote from: e2matrix on April 26, 2013, 06:10:20 PM

Thanks for sharing that Steven. Very nice work! I had not realized you were so knowledgable on cold fusion until this message thread.

Maybe JamesThomas IS Thomas Potter and he decided the 'gig' was up - LOL.

Hmmm, How'd that happen (double post).

Maybe Rossi is afraid to release any details for fear someone will copy his process. Or he doesn't really have it running right yet. As it is Dekfalion seems to be a bit further ahead in that game and I'm sure others are trying to get in fast to corner their share of the action. I suppose at this point maximum secrecy is part of their game plan.

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