Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364653 times)

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3570 on:** April 23, 2016, 03:46:46 PM »

HaHa..What is this.. That Patent is not valid you see?Why?

It says opposite pole faces must be used to induce electricity..How come our NN or SS only team rely on this not valid any more patent..

You see this is the relevant part of the 378 Patent..

The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several
electromagnets are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole
faces separated by a small distance. The cores of all these electromagnets are
formed in such a way that they will magnetize and demagnetize quickly and not
retain any residual magnetism. In the empty space remaining between the pole
faces of the electromagnets of these two series, the induced wire passes in one
piece, or several, or many. An excitatory current, intermittent, or alternating,
actuates all the electromagnets, which are attached or in series, or in parallel,
or as required, and in the induced circuit will arise currents comprising,
together, the total generator current. That allows suppressing the mechanical
force, since there is nothing which needs to be moved. The driving current, or is
an independent current, which, if direct, must be interrupted or changed in sign
alternately by any known method, or is a part of the total current of the
generator, as it is done today in the current dynamos.

Founded on these considerations, Mr. Clemente Figuera and Mr. Pedro
Blasberg, in the name and on behalf of the society "Figuera-Blasberg"
respectfully requests to be granted final patent of invention for this generator
whose form and arrangement are shown in the attached drawings, warning that,
in them, and for clarity are sketched only eight electromagnets, or two sets of
four excitatory electromagnets in each, and the induced circuit is marked by a
thick line of reddish ink, being this way the general arrangement of the
appliance, but meaning that you can put more or less electromagnets and in
another form or grouping.
The invention for which a patent is applied consists in following note.

Note
Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing
moves, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines
thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or
alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit,
placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.

Note is the claimed Portion. This is precisely what I did for a long time. I have then realized that If the core is already saturated peremanent magnet and cannot be demagnetized the current drawn will be lower while the output will be higher.

You only need to wind two electromagnets with 10 filar coils. Then remove one of them and insulate both its ends to make it a 9 filar coil. Then do it for another coil to make it 8 filar coil.

A 10 filar coil draws only 0.5 amps if it is serially connected and 2.5 amps if it is connected in parallel. But you remove one or two coils then the current drawn is 15 to 25 amps. The core is saturated and you get an enormous output in excess of the input.

If you place permanent magnets in the core the input is reduced in the primary as the amperage needed for making the core saturated is less and there is no complete magnetic field collapse.

In any case I have tested and speak from my experience and my own troubles.

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hanon · « **Reply #3571 on:** April 23, 2016, 04:58:06 PM »

Doug, The real essence is in both patents, being the 1908 more detailed. NR seems to be affected by the radiation which emits his device. I am only posting quotes. In Spain there is proverb saying: No hay peor sordo que el que no quiere oir. Google it.

Doug1 · « **Reply #3572 on:** April 23, 2016, 05:49:17 PM »

Thats a very nice way to put it Hannon. Out here and over yonder in the sticks we just shorten it to "you cant fix stupid".

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3573 on:** April 24, 2016, 01:48:41 PM »

Doug:

That I'm so stupid is very well known. So do not bring your reputation down..I had been sufficiently stupid enough to disclose full information in public domain. I had also provided full information on how to replicate what I do. It was checked independently by at least one friend who found majority of my statements to be correct about the 2013 experiment but found that neither primary is drawing so much power nor is the output as claimed and that the voltage divided.

I had also gone to the University where the Professor refused to accept any voltage but treated it only as a shorted coil and accepted only the amperage. The other professor who is a Chemistry expert explained that it is only due to the Earth connections acting as an Earth battery that the results have come. The replicator could not make Earth connections.

By the way how many have fixed so far and if so where is the proof? How many have disclosed all that they have done?

I have repeatedly disclosed that while it is possible to get higher output than input I could not do a self sustaining device. I'm not a trained person and so there is nothing to feel ashamed to accept it. I have checked with a lot of people. I had been strongly criticised by a Professor who has done her PhD from a University in an European Country and has worked in IIT Madras and retired and has strongly criticised me for not providing for Magnetic shielding. I concede and agree that my knowledge is very limited.

Now you please answer these questions..Even if I do not do it others may be able to do it.

a. Is is true that if you do not draw loads from the secondary the primary does not have lenz drag or will not consume higher?

B. Can we provide a feeback to the primary from secondary by adding a capacitor to the secondary output which will be in phase with primary or use a transformer to do it?

I may not be able to do all but other replicators may be able to do it. I do not claim to know all nor do I make any theories that what I say is right and if you do not accept you are stupid. I do not make statements like that.

Be calm. We have reached a very advanced level now. But I have my constraints. Funds. Trained staff. While we work in Airconditioned room the outside temperature is 107 to 108'F (42 to 43'C here)

The secret of the devices is simple. You should not use the secondary output to power the load. You all can call me stupid and deaf but I really do not care. This is the fact. Without using the secondary to power the load how it can be used to power the primary non stop. If you can advise me. If you cannot I have no problem. I donot claim to know all.

There are other devices that are non polluting and that hold significant promise and while they are dangerous, there is no EM Radiation from a saturated core.

marathonman · « **Reply #3574 on:** April 24, 2016, 02:39:09 PM »

Quote; "The secret of the devices is simple. You should not use the secondary output to power the load. You all can call me stupid and deaf but I really do not care. This is the fact. Without using the secondary to power the load how it can be used to power the primary non stop. If you can advise me. If you cannot I have no problem. I do not claim to know all."

In this case i think the shoe fits quite nicely, not a clue in the world.

Doug1 · « **Reply #3575 on:** April 24, 2016, 04:16:11 PM »

Im shortening your name to NRI for future reference. Don't take it so harshly everyone starts out in exactly the same place.

"The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several electromagnets are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole faces separated by a small distance. The cores of all these electromagnets are formed in such a way that they will magnetize and demagnetize quickly and not retain any residual magnetism. In the empty space remaining between the pole faces of the electromagnets of these two series, the induced wire passes in one piece, or several, or many. An excitatory current, intermittent, or alternating, actuates all the electromagnets, which are attached or in series, or in parallel, or as required, and in the induced circuit will arise currents comprising, together, the total generator current. That allows suppressing the mechanical force, since there is nothing which needs to be moved. The driving current, or is an independent current, which, if direct, must be interrupted or changed in sign alternately by any known method, or is a part of the total current of the generator, as it is done today in the current dynamos."

You dont have to be smart or clever to pay attention. I used the phrase before " to a hammer everything is nail." How is it done in a modern generator?

" The cores of all these electromagnets are formed in such a way that they will magnetize and demagnetize quickly and not retain any residual magnetism."

With the above stated ask yourself why is there residual magnetism in a generator.Why is it there? What does it do for or against the generator which has it?

"Several electromagnets are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole faces separated by a small distance."

Don't over think it.

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3576 on:** April 24, 2016, 04:17:49 PM »

Yes..This is the difference between theoretical knowledge and Experimental observation based knowledge...One such example in our opinion is Daniel McFarland Cook device which is easy to see the missing component and how it would have worked to continuously oscillate the iron.

While cook says that he used only iron core, the description of the cook patent says that you just wave a iron rod to cause induction. Unless the iron rod is a powerful permanent magnet and the core is a pre-magnetized permanent magnet core this will not happen. It is in fact the easiest patent to replicate if our understanding is correct.

We will tell you later after testing it.

It is possible to take electricity out without using the secondary. Only experimental observations can give you this knowledge.

hanon · « **Reply #3577 on:** April 24, 2016, 04:54:35 PM »

A post worth to take it into account again:

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg469355/#msg469355

Note that the claims in this patent do not mention the polarity. Again a patent with the claims without defining the electromagnet polarity. Therefore the legal protection is again open to any polarity:

"Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing
moves, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines
thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or
alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit,
placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets. "

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3578 on:** April 24, 2016, 06:55:20 PM »

Hanon

Claims must have antecedent support in specification. .

Claims are interprted and understood based on the wriien description in specification to avoid ambiguity.

Claims cannot stand on their own but must be supported by specification.

There is support for secondary to be placed between opposite poles only in the patent.

Do not confuse yourself.

Doug..I do not know..you may please explain it.

I will try to do a machine where no load is placed on secondary.

Regards

Ramaswami

hanon · « **Reply #3579 on:** April 24, 2016, 08:47:56 PM »

Quote from: NRamaswami on April 24, 2016, 06:55:20 PM

I will try to do a machine where no load is placed on secondary.

But report the results in other thread. This is neither Figuera's design.

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Have you read the link I posted before? I said that there are two possible translations, and both are 100% legally admisible. The writing of the description is ambiguous : the "opposites poles at short distance" are both from the same electromagnet or are the poles from the two electromagnets? .Talking to you is like talking to a wall. You do not listen. I am afraid it could be a result of the radiation emitted by your device. I stop here communicating with you. IMHO a summary of your contribution to this thread: too many words, messy posts, too few principles, too much nonsense, and day by day further from Figuera's design, every post was different to the previous one, no single design may be extract from such a bunch of nonsense. Insanity posts. Answer to this post in order to get relaxed and then stop chatting with me in this thread.

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3580 on:** April 25, 2016, 07:43:10 AM »

For the first time you are saying now translation can be of two types. Translation of specification or specification itself is not reliable.

You are on record that you are not capable of doing the rotary device of Figuera Patent of 1908. The only rotary device built and demonstrated by me did not perform well and so I have avoided it.

Saeed, Me and Ignacio reported the cop>1 results. Ignacio used capacitors to boost the amperage.

How come this is never objected to by you.

And finally you are not able to comprehend how output can be taken without using the secondary. Some one who says that is insane. This is the same as Wright Brothers trying to build an Aiicraft were considered insane.

Talking, talking and talking will not give your actual knowledge. You need to do experiments for that. My driver who has studied only up to 7th standard is now able to say why certain things work and why certain things do not work. This is experimental knowledge obtained through observations and sweating it out.

I do not care about your views now as you have admitted that the specification is not clear and translation may be subject to different interpretations. This entire thread has been built on the basis of the trust we had in you and in your translations. When you yourself depricate it what is the use.

However thanks to you we do know now what works and what does not work. If you have not insisted in 2013 that I continue we would not have learnt so much by our experimentation. And certainly I would not have suffered. So you are responsible for both these things.

I will not trust your translation nor the specifications in spanish any more.

darediamond · « **Reply #3581 on:** April 25, 2016, 04:30:49 PM »

Quote from: NRamaswami on April 23, 2016, 03:46:46 PM

HaHa..What is this.. That Patent is not valid you see?Why?

It says opposite pole faces must be used to induce electricity..How come our NN or SS only team rely on this not valid any more patent..

You see this is the relevant part of the 378 Patent..

The inventors, who subscribe, constitute their generator, as follows: Several
electromagnets are arranged opposing each other, and their opposite pole
faces separated by a small distance. The cores of all these electromagnets are
formed in such a way that they will magnetize and demagnetize quickly and not
retain any residual magnetism. In the empty space remaining between the pole
faces of the electromagnets of these two series, the induced wire passes in one
piece, or several, or many. An excitatory current, intermittent, or alternating,
actuates all the electromagnets, which are attached or in series, or in parallel,
or as required, and in the induced circuit will arise currents comprising,
together, the total generator current. That allows suppressing the mechanical
force, since there is nothing which needs to be moved. The driving current, or is
an independent current, which, if direct, must be interrupted or changed in sign
alternately by any known method, or is a part of the total current of the
generator, as it is done today in the current dynamos.

Founded on these considerations, Mr. Clemente Figuera and Mr. Pedro
Blasberg, in the name and on behalf of the society "Figuera-Blasberg"
respectfully requests to be granted final patent of invention for this generator
whose form and arrangement are shown in the attached drawings, warning that,
in them, and for clarity are sketched only eight electromagnets, or two sets of
four excitatory electromagnets in each, and the induced circuit is marked by a
thick line of reddish ink, being this way the general arrangement of the
appliance, but meaning that you can put more or less electromagnets and in
another form or grouping.
The invention for which a patent is applied consists in following note.

Note
Invention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing
moves, which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines
thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or
alternating current which creates an induction in the motionless induced circuit,
placed within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.

Note is the claimed Portion. This is precisely what I did for a long time. I have then realized that If the core is already saturated peremanent magnet and cannot be demagnetized the current drawn will be lower while the output will be higher.

You only need to wind two electromagnets with 10 filar coils. Then remove one of them and insulate both its ends to make it a 9 filar coil. Then do it for another coil to make it 8 filar coil.

A 10 filar coil draws only 0.5 amps if it is serially connected and 2.5 amps if it is connected in parallel. But you remove one or two coils then the current drawn is 15 to 25 amps. The core is saturated and you get an enormous output in excess of the input.

If you place permanent magnets in the core the input is reduced in the primary as the amperage needed for making the core saturated is less and there is no complete magnetic field collapse.

In any case I have tested and speak from my experience and my own troubles.

Ah Ha.. What is a Coffee Break meant for.. Go to overunity.com and Bomb Ramaswami and enjoy the 15 minutes..You all made my day..

Enjoy your weekend..Bye Bye

"Note is the claimed Portion. This is precisely what I did for a long time. I have then realized that If the core is already saturated peremanent magnet and cannot be demagnetized the current drawn will be lower while the output will be higher."

But is this the only way to reduce input Starting and Running current?

Do not frequency play a part too.

bajac · « **Reply #3582 on:** April 25, 2016, 06:25:20 PM »

I think there has been some confusion with the terms "opposite poles" and "opposing poles"

In my 30+ years of experience in the electrical field, "opposite poles" has always meant N-S or S-N and "like poles" has meant N-N or S-S magnetic polarity configurations.

Then, opposite poles NS, SN can only attract and similar or like poles can only repel. I am providing this clarification because it seems to me from some posts that the terms "opposite poles" and "opposing poles" are been treated as equal when in reality they mean different magnetic conditions.

"opposite poles" = NS or SN and "opposing poles" = NN or SS if "opposing poles" is read as "poles opposing to each other" since only like poles can repel each other. If within the reading context, "opposing poles" implies "poles opposing to each other" than the term can only be interpreted as NN or SS magnetic configuration. When reading the patent we need to be aware of the above.

Thanks.

bajac · « **Reply #3583 on:** April 25, 2016, 06:41:34 PM »

Since the sketch on the patent shows N-Y-S magnetic configuration, I do not understand why there is any issue with the magnetic polarity of the inducing coils.
To me, it is a "crystal clear explanation" in the patent.

darediamond · « **Reply #3584 on:** April 25, 2016, 09:21:19 PM »

So what are you insinuating Mr. Bajac?
Which configuration works?
N>>S or N>>N?

Quote from: bajac on April 25, 2016, 06:41:34 PM

Since the sketch on the patent shows N-Y-S magnetic configuration, I do not understand why there is any issue with the magnetic polarity of the inducing coils.
To me, it is a "crystal clear explanation" in the patent.

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