Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364823 times)

darediamond · « **Reply #3510 on:** April 13, 2016, 07:20:22 AM »

Quote from: cliff33 on April 12, 2016, 08:26:09 PM

Darediamond,

"How will the lenzless HIGH FREQUENCY AC OUTPUT from the Center Secondaries be tapped and used if HIGH FREQUENCY Diodes are not first employed to rectify that aforementioned output and then converted back to AC by Simply using an inverter?

Can you explain Mr?"

From your question, I can only assume that you believe that diodes have to be added to the output of the secondary.
Well yes ,but only if you want to drive a 12 volt inverter for 115volt 60hz output.
I also assume that you believe you can't run a load directly off the ac secondary coil. Not true.

I'll be driving my primaries at much higher frequencies than CF ever could.
I can use my ham rig to light up a 100 watt incandescent bulb using 4 mhz.
You can run any resistive load directly from the "y" output.

"You can run any resistive load directly from the "y" output."

Unless connected in series, the Secondary output voltage will always be lower while amperage will be Higher if Thick AWG Wire like AWG#14 or 15 or 16 is used to wind them. So few HOUSEHOLD Resistive devices runs at low Voltage.

So to go universal powering all form of devices it is far better to turn the output of the Secondaries to DC using FAST SWITCHING RECTIFIER DIODES and link that output to an Inverter.

You can even make a Lenzless Spiral Wound Primary Coils Center Tapped Transformer For your Inverter Driver.

It can be done.

Think outside the Box

RandyFL · « **Reply #3511 on:** April 13, 2016, 01:03:44 PM »

Don't just talk about it... do it! And take a video of it running without a power source ( or disconnected from it ).

cliff33 · « **Reply #3512 on:** April 13, 2016, 06:51:28 PM »

Unless connected in series, the Secondary output voltage will always be lower while amperage will be Higher if Thick AWG Wire like AWG#14 or 15 or 16 is used to wind them. So few HOUSEHOLD Resistive devices runs at low Voltage.

Secondary voltage is dependent on turns ratio and voltage ratio follows suit.
e.g: If primary has 100 turns and secondary has 500. that's a ratio of 5 to 1.
If primary is being pulsed at 10 volts then secondary voltage will be 5x10 = 50 volts.

Why would you want to prematurely change the pulsed output to pure dc before testing for over-unity?
I could find many ways of loading that 50 volt output, just for testing.

We should all remember that Tesla's later years were exclusively devoted to experiments
in pulsed dc. Maybe it's just the pulsed dc that attracts the free energy. Nobody knows for sure.
We have to walk before we can run. Just one step at a time.

seaad · « **Reply #3513 on:** April 13, 2016, 09:56:41 PM »

Eagles soar, high above all, seeing everything.. even the truth

nul-points · « **Reply #3514 on:** April 14, 2016, 09:05:32 AM »

Nice investigation, seaad! Would it be too much work to replace the 'rotary' coils with Figuera's 'resistors' in your LTSpice sim above and compare efficiency? tack så mycket! :-)

darediamond · « **Reply #3515 on:** April 14, 2016, 10:04:44 AM »

Quote from: cliff33 on April 13, 2016, 06:51:28 PM

Unless connected in series, the Secondary output voltage will always be lower while amperage will be Higher if Thick AWG Wire like AWG#14 or 15 or 16 is used to wind them. So few HOUSEHOLD Resistive devices runs at low Voltage.

Secondary voltage is dependent on turns ratio and voltage ratio follows suit.

e.g: If primary has 100 turns and secondary has 500. that's a ratio of 5 to 1.
If primary is being pulsed at 10 volts then secondary voltage will be 5x10 = 50 volts.

Why would you want to prematurely change the pulsed output to pure dc before testing for over-unity?
I could find many ways of loading that 50 volt output, just for testing.

We should all remember that Tesla's later years were exclusively devoted to experiments
in pulsed dc. Maybe it's just the pulsed dc that attracts the free energy. Nobody knows for sure.
We have to walk before we can run. Just one step at a time.

"Secondary voltage is dependent on turns ratio and voltage ratio follows suit."

No that is not the case when Lenz is cancelled out and Secondary Wire Gauge is Higher than the Primary wire gauge.

AC is better because Back E.M.F is not generated with it.

seaad · « **Reply #3516 on:** April 14, 2016, 11:28:51 AM »

Quote from: nul-points on April 14, 2016, 09:05:32 AM

Nice investigation, seaad! Would it be too much work to replace the 'rotary' coils with Figuera's 'resistors' in your LTSpice sim above and compare efficiency?

I have tried with just resistors also in LT Spice sim. (Similar (DC-bias) test see my reply #3171 on: February 24, 2016)

Output power becomes lower with resistors as well as the BMF spikes (400-4kV) at the transistor colletors.

Inside the coils are already reasonable simulated winding-resistors.

We have to reinterpret the Figuera patent text as the devil reads the Bible. Or is there anyone here who can explain how the Figuera 0U occurs ??

DC is 'Bad' but AC is 'Good' !
Keep soaring...

nul-points · « **Reply #3517 on:** April 14, 2016, 12:52:34 PM »

very thorough - that's Good!

...and the eagle flies... with the dove...

hanon · « **Reply #3518 on:** April 14, 2016, 12:57:18 PM »

Seead,

I see that you have simulated the DC reheostat proposed by marathonman.

But I see that you just got one signal and that signal has positive and negative parts. In Figuera generator we need two signals and just with positive part. Is it possible to achieve with the rheostat?

One more question: Is your simulation software simulating a toroidal core? I guess that a toroidal core will not behave identically to a bar core.

As for you last statement, I write here my interpretation of the Figuera Generator:

The magic of the Figuera generator is that makes possible to convert two variable magnetic fields in time in the electromagnets (dB/dt) into a variable magnetic field in space (in the induced coils), as happens in all generators ( emf = B·v· Length ) moving back and forth the magnetic lines.

That´s all. A motionless generator capable of creating flux-cutting induction. Visit my site for a deeper explanation of this same concept. See the videos linked there.

hanon · « **Reply #3519 on:** April 14, 2016, 05:06:20 PM »

Another very simple method to drive the inducers. No waste heat in resistors.

FEEDING THE ELECTROMAGNET WITH TWO OPPOSSITE SQUARE SIGNALS FROM A VOLTAGE SOURCE

If you feed two square signals (in opposition) created with two transistors (in opposition: when one is ON the other is OFF and later the contrary) those signals once that reach each set of coils suffer a filter (as consequence of the inductance of the coils.RL Filter with time constant, tau = L/R) which converts them into two opposite sawtooth signals, as needed in the patent.

The electronic driving circuit for those signals could be quite simple: a 555 chip (or other) to create a low power pulsed signal. This signal could go directly to a power transistor to drive one set of coils. This same low power pulsed signal from the 555 chip also should go to a NOT gate to invert it. This inverted signal should go to a second transistor to create the second square signal in opposition to the first one. It can also achieved with a relay with two outputs: first on+off, later when switched off+on. Another posibility is with two positives AC half waves fed alternatively. The RL filter will be superimposed over the shape of the input signal.

The simulation result attached below is for two a 12 V square signals at 35 Hz fed into two coils per set (each coil with 2.3 Ohms and 23 mH). Original square signals may reach zero voltage because the coils filter their dynamics and avoid reaching the zero level. Before reaching zero voltage the next pulse appears. Initial signal : square signal from 12 V to 0 V. As the inductance of the system determines the shape of the sawtooth it is recommended to have the possibility to vary the frequency of the square signal in order to adjust it to the best output. In the Excel attached you may find a simulation with different values of the inductance and the frequency.

seaad · « **Reply #3520 on:** April 14, 2016, 08:49:08 PM »

Quote from: hanon on April 14, 2016, 12:57:18 PM

Seead,
I see that you have simulated the DC reheostat proposed by marathonman.
But I see that you just got one signal and that signal has positive and negative parts. In Figuera generator we need two signals and just with positive part. Is it possible to achieve with the rheostat?
One more question: Is your simulation software simulating a toroidal core? I guess that a toroidal core will not behave identically to a bar core.

Hello hanon, NP , all
I have two input signals to the primarys, see the principle picture 'Figuera sim'. And the pic 'LTSpice IV Figuera A2' shows the output signal. In Reply #3518

That simulated DC rheostat proposed by marathon man is not a DC rheostat. It is an AC 'contraption', L:s with its r:s. And I assumed with an iron core! Acting as a transformer with multiple windings.
(But the simulator can only handle three, windings together, the three horizontal smaller rings)

See the green curve pic 'LTSpice IV Figuera A3'; Signal going to the right Primary . (The pic-up point is slightly filtrered , to cut the huge kV- spikes in sight in the graph.)

The signal going to the left Primary (Not shown here) is equivalent but with a 180 deg.(time) offset. Red curve is the output across the Output resistor (100 ohm). Always swinging around the zero line !

The smaller pic.(A4) shows the marathon man 'contraption' whithout iron core, only the three coils with its internal resistance (7, 20,7 ohm). No coupling between the coils.

The smaller pic.(A5) with three pure resistances (7,20,7 ohm) instead of coils.

The input signal to the primary windings goes always below the zero line independent of the type of 'rheostat'! So help me God

And the efficiency always below 40%!

The DC simulating batt. voltage to all pic,s = 24V

I don't think the simulator know if the core is round. I haven't asked.. Lol
But slightly different (magnetical) coupling between the different windings is possible to define and I have used this possibility here.

I hope that the (dB/dt) overcomes the lost 60% in reality and additionally creates eaven more OU. But my simulator don't know anything about (dB/dt).

marathonman · « **Reply #3521 on:** April 15, 2016, 12:21:58 AM »

"That simulated DC rheostat proposed by marathon man is not a DC rheostat. It is an AC 'contraption"

WRONG ANSWER!
and it is not simulated at all it is what Figuera used in his device. you can use all the simulators you want, none of them will simulate Figuera's part G because NONE of them are coded with all the proper parameters.

continuously rotating Rheostat that uses Reluctance to control currant in DC form, plain and simple.

Good luck all the same.

nul-points · « **Reply #3522 on:** April 15, 2016, 12:29:05 AM »

That's an amazing amount of work seaad! i know it's disappointing that the Efficiency is generally so much under unuty, but it's interesting to see how different even those particular 3 approaches perform (in prediction). Nice to see that the waveform is coming out much as expected though. Does the logic circuit include the 'make-before-break' action of Figuera's commutator G? (Just wondering about those voltage spikes)

Thanks for doing all this 'programming' of the Sim & for sharing the results ...it takes an eagle-eye for detail! ;-)

all the best
np

hanon · « **Reply #3523 on:** April 15, 2016, 12:39:15 AM »

What we know from Figuera patent is what it is written there: he just explains the use of a system of resistors to modulate the current to each set of electromagnets. The rest is our interpretation. I reiterate that IMO the real important idea is to move the magnetic fields back and forth in opposition, no matters the method you use to do it.

Some methods will be more efficient than others, but I think that when producing 20,000 watts you won't have to worry much if you are wasting some energy to excite the electromagnets. At my current degree of advance , I am now more concerned with using the simplest method to power the inducers that some more complicated devices. Also I do not have the ability to built mechanical devices. I understand that some people are now going for others methods.

NRamaswami · « **Reply #3524 on:** April 15, 2016, 09:04:06 AM »

It was common for earlier patents not to disclose some material parts as trade secrets. I do believe that Figuera has omitted one part. This was permissible at that time. No one is able to do Daniel McFarland Cook device. The only time Figuera device produces COP>1 is when the core is saturated. Not otherwise. Or as Iganico has indicated that the secondary was connected to capacitors in series to increase the amperage. This is some thing I have not tested. I think the presence of resistors shows that it is either interruptted DC or pulsed DC as it will result in increased voltage to the primaries boosting the output. But it is only my idea why resistors are justified.

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