Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE (Read 2364777 times)

antijon · « **Reply #2820 on:** December 11, 2015, 07:13:25 AM »

You're right, Hanon. The key to his invention is his method. No reactance on the inducers producing real power, and the 90 degree pulses which create a large B field that changes incredibly fast. I'm still planning to test your design, BTW.

All in all, this process has made me think about how we understand concepts today. In this device, or any coil powered by AC that has no reactance, we consider that real power, not reactive power as in a transformer. In terms of a generator, this real power is what they use to gauge the exciter power by in ampere-turns. Because, of course, if the power were reactive then no power would really be used.

But in the same sense, modern terms confuse things. As we know, a coil's inductive reactance can be corrected, either by a resistance in series, or by capacitive reactance in series. We say that this corrects the power factor by bringing the current and voltage in phase, to produce real power. However, we have also mystified this by calling it a resonant circuit. Now we imagine radio towers and Tesla. But in reality, any inductive device can be matched with a capacitor to nullify reactance. Even a 60HZ transformer. Of course I don't know what the output would look like, or what the turns ratio would do. But I can guarantee it would be creating a B field based on the ampere-turns that changes polarity 60 times a second.

marathonman · « **Reply #2821 on:** December 11, 2015, 05:14:00 PM »

Here is a little info one might want to read.

This is taken off of hanon's link he posted and help translate; http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

" In the two patents can be seen how ingeniously and by mechanical methods, the engineer tried to generate electrical energy inside a coil by varying the flow of two opposite and opposing magnetic fields, trying to get into the machine the same characteristic behavior of a conventional generator, but without moving parts".

this sounds like 180 Degrees and two NN Electromagnets to me, or SS if you so desire. think ?

this is Quote from patent;
"In short, the resistance makes the function of a splitter of current because those current not going to excite some electromagnets excites others and so on; it can be said that electrodes N and S works simultaneously and in opposite way because while the first ones are filling up with current, the seconds are emptying and while repeating this effect continuously and orderly a constant variation of the magnetic fields within which is placed the induced circuit can be maintained.

again this kinda sounds like 180 Degrees to me. think ?

antijon · « **Reply #2822 on:** December 11, 2015, 06:42:02 PM »

Marathonman, the coils are located at 180 degrees but the excitation current is such that the two currents overlap before going to zero volts. This is 90 degrees electrically. Hanon provided a good image of the waveform in this post: http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg456798/#msg456798

marathonman · « **Reply #2823 on:** December 12, 2015, 02:31:56 AM »

Top pic Sine/cosine @ 90 Degrees.

Bottom pic Hanon's Sine/Sine @ 180 Degrees.

Come again.

antijon · « **Reply #2824 on:** December 12, 2015, 04:02:26 AM »

haha, yeah that's 2 phase AC, full wave. And what would it look like if you rectified that wave to a DC current? See Hanon's image.

Look we can argue about the semantics, but 180 degree is different in both phase and polarity than Figuera's wave. In AC circuits, 180 degrees refers to polarity or phase. The image appears the same as Figuera's, but it's 180 degrees in polarity. One is fully positive, the other fully negative. The currents would be equal and opposite, and in Figuera's inducers, would cancel each other. Not the same as one fully positive, the other zero, where the net B field will be in one direction.

The bottom image shows an AC current rectified. The DC pulses are 180 degrees apart in phase. If Figuera used this waveform to power his inducers, the combined magnetic fields would produce an AC wave, and the behavior would resemble a transformer. But lucky for us, Figuera described his commutator as producing currents that increase and decrease at the same time. 180 degree phase doesn't do that, only 90 degree phase does.

marathonman · « **Reply #2825 on:** December 12, 2015, 06:31:18 AM »

Quote from: marathonman on December 12, 2015, 02:31:56 AM

Top pic Sine/cosine @ 90 Degrees.

Bottom pic Hanon's Sine/Sine @ 180 Degrees.

Come again.

where in this post do you see arguing?

marathonman · « **Reply #2826 on:** December 12, 2015, 06:51:44 AM »

seams simple to me.

citfta · « **Reply #2827 on:** December 12, 2015, 01:05:11 PM »

Quote from: marathonman on December 12, 2015, 06:51:44 AM

seams simple to me.

I spent quite a bit of time studying the original patent which had the rotating brushes feeding the DC to the coils. I am convinced your drawing of the 180 degree shift of current is correct. It also agrees with the statement that one signal is increasing as the other is decreasing. Since he was only using a DC source the signals could never cross below the zero line which also agrees with your drawing. Thanks for posting that. It should help a lot of people understand how to power the coils.

Carroll

antijon · « **Reply #2828 on:** December 12, 2015, 09:27:32 PM »

Quote from: marathonman on December 12, 2015, 06:51:44 AM

seams simple to me.

Fine. Whatever makes it easier for you to understand.

But know that I'm done pandering to your egocentricity.

marathonman · « **Reply #2829 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:20:03 PM »

you sound like a spoiled 10 year old, ha,ha,ha.
you need to get off your high almighty horse and realize Figueras devise IS NOT a regular transformer that you so deemed yourself some kind of authority on the subject.
NO ONE in this forum is an authority on free energy especially the Figueras Device.
IF you don't like what i post, DON"T FUCKING READ IT.
but know this you will never ever get a working device in the direction you are going. the info i posted in the last month was past to me to get a working device weather you like it or not.

marathonman · « **Reply #2830 on:** December 13, 2015, 10:24:42 PM »

citfta; thank you for the kind words and yes that is why i posted it so everyone can realize what is going on with the coils. just remember that the coils are not taken all the way down to zero.
all the info i posted in the last month will get everyone a working device.

Good luck and happy Building,
Donald

shylo · « **Reply #2831 on:** December 13, 2015, 11:47:33 PM »

collecting near zero is a waste of time.
The top 1/3rd is where the most can be collected.
The more coils you add , the more 1/3rd's you have, also the more kick-back spikes.
Equal's more output.
artv

hanon · « **Reply #2832 on:** December 14, 2015, 10:17:14 AM »

Based on the configuration that Marathonman is describing maybe it could be better to order the electromagnets poles and induced coils in such a way to maximize the magnetic strength of the electromagnets and reduce the open magnetic path of the magnetic lines jumping from one core to the next one: I mean using rectangular induced cores and pilling up all of them close to each other. With same polarity confronted I tend to think that magnetic lines just will be expelled from the induced core when they crash in the center. I think it will not be leakage between adjacent induced coils because the reluctance of air is much much higher than that of the iron core and magnetic lines will jump from one core to another when they are forced by the confronting field.

What dou you think? It is another variation to test which may enhance the system performance. Just my thought.

Doug1 · « **Reply #2833 on:** December 14, 2015, 07:24:49 PM »

In the vid there are a few interesting things if you keep in mind the date of figurea and image of part G and the resisters. I think it was mentioned a part was ordered from somewhere not the islands.In the course of time things advance, designs change. Why use a resister contraption when a core will work better?If you cant find the G spot ,what good are you? Spoons never included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pEmpvcNmXg

antijon · « **Reply #2834 on:** December 14, 2015, 08:59:09 PM »

Quote from: marathonman on December 13, 2015, 10:20:03 PM

you sound like a spoiled 10 year old, ha,ha,ha.
you need to get off your high almighty horse and realize Figueras devise IS NOT a regular transformer that you so deemed yourself some kind of authority on the subject.
NO ONE in this forum is an authority on free energy especially the Figueras Device.
IF you don't like what i post, DON"T FUCKING READ IT.
but know this you will never ever get a working device in the direction you are going. the info i posted in the last month was past to me to get a working device weather you like it or not.

Don't direct your comments and profanity at me you stupid, arrogant, bumbling ignoramus.

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