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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2364649 times)

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2805 on: December 08, 2015, 06:11:47 PM »
I am new to this forum and have read the posts dated prior to October 2014. You people have really put forth some good stuff. So far, I have not seen a simple, low power circuit that provides 90 degree out of phase excitations for the Figuera 1908 patent. Therefore, I present the following for your consideration. I hope you find it useful.

Attached is a drawing of a circuit whose inputs connect to the count pulse outputs of the CD4017 circuit provided by Patrick Kelly. Each output pulse simultaneously drives the bases of two NPN 2N222 transistors. Each base draws 2.4 ma. The counter outputs are rated for 10 ma, so they are not overloaded. There are sixteen transistors in all. The transistors sequentially ground connecting points in two different strings of series resistors in the adjustment circuits of two LM317T adjustable voltage regulators to provide two quasi-sinusoidal outputs that are ninety degrees out of phase.

Each output is capable of supplying 1.7 Amps. The LM317Ts can handle up to 37 volts DC. If greater current is required, the outputs can be used to provide input signals to emitter followers or other high power devices such as DC drives - assuming the acceleration circuits can be adjusted to permit the rapid response required for this circuit.

The resistors are selected to simulate the equivalent of a 90 degree segment of a sine wave. The values progress from small to large in both strings. The sequence of grounding in one string progresses from small to large, and the grounding sequence in the other string progresses from large to small, thus producing outputs that are 90 degrees out of phase.

If you check the application notes of the LM317T, you will find that they suggest a different circuit for digital output selection. I chose not to use it because the required watt ratings of the small resistors were larger then those of the circuit I used. This is shown in the attached spreadsheet.

I have not yet built the complete circuit. I have built half of the circuit powered by 12 VDC to verify that the LM317T can respond fast enough. It does. However, I do not yet have a completely satisfactory working circuit. The attached oscilloscope picture of one of the waveforms shows that there is a problem in one of the counter circuits that causes some of the segments not to appear. I have not yet fixed this, but suspect that a couple of diodes are malfunctioning as I have seen similar problems while getting this device working.

I would appreciate any suggestions for improvements to this circuit.
Sam6

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« Reply #2806 on: December 08, 2015, 09:56:10 PM »
  And Figueras device is "every AC System" RIGHT. i have my own opinion and you have yours. i am done explaining, researching, expressing,  the bottom line is the Figueras Device is solved in general and all one needs to do is build it. all the little particulars can be argued for months but i will not indulge in that.
95% of my idea's were mine but i did have some guidance from someone that has had a working device for over a year now and i thank him VERY MUCH for dropping hints here and there.
in my design i widened the outer caps so to bolt down, used 1/2 inch thick center supports and added a clear Acrylic top for support and protection. i also added temperature controlled fans to the ends for thermal control. i also designed the self powering system and circuits but other than that all i need to do is wait for the rest of the money to build it. as i build i will post on youtube for other to see.
I can say it was a good journey over the last year and a half and i enjoyed it thoroughly.


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« Reply #2807 on: December 09, 2015, 12:26:49 AM »
lol

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« Reply #2808 on: December 09, 2015, 02:49:30 PM »
I am new to this forum and have read the posts dated prior to October 2014. You people have really put forth some good stuff. So far, I have not seen a simple, low power circuit that provides 90 degree out of phase excitations for the Figuera 1908 patent. Therefore, I present the following for your consideration. I hope you find it useful.

Attached is a drawing of a circuit whose inputs connect to the count pulse outputs of the CD4017 circuit provided by Patrick Kelly. Each output pulse simultaneously drives the bases of two NPN 2N222 transistors. Each base draws 2.4 ma. The counter outputs are rated for 10 ma, so they are not overloaded. There are sixteen transistors in all. The transistors sequentially ground connecting points in two different strings of series resistors in the adjustment circuits of two LM317T adjustable voltage regulators to provide two quasi-sinusoidal outputs that are ninety degrees out of phase.

Each output is capable of supplying 1.7 Amps. The LM317Ts can handle up to 37 volts DC. If greater current is required, the outputs can be used to provide input signals to emitter followers or other high power devices such as DC drives - assuming the acceleration circuits can be adjusted to permit the rapid response required for this circuit.

The resistors are selected to simulate the equivalent of a 90 degree segment of a sine wave. The values progress from small to large in both strings. The sequence of grounding in one string progresses from small to large, and the grounding sequence in the other string progresses from large to small, thus producing outputs that are 90 degrees out of phase.

If you check the application notes of the LM317T, you will find that they suggest a different circuit for digital output selection. I chose not to use it because the required watt ratings of the small resistors were larger then those of the circuit I used. This is shown in the attached spreadsheet.

I have not yet built the complete circuit. I have built half of the circuit powered by 12 VDC to verify that the LM317T can respond fast enough. It does. However, I do not yet have a completely satisfactory working circuit. The attached oscilloscope picture of one of the waveforms shows that there is a problem in one of the counter circuits that causes some of the segments not to appear. I have not yet fixed this, but suspect that a couple of diodes are malfunctioning as I have seen similar problems while getting this device working.

I would appreciate any suggestions for improvements to this circuit.
Sam6
Well  Sam6 it seams that you have not put out any effort because if you did you would of read ALL the post. see if you would of read ALL the post you would be up to date on everything and realize people Have posted low power circuits over a year ago and months ago. my circuit is 5 volt, is that low enough for you.
Besides their are to many ways to electronically drive the Figueras device, what you should be doing is concentrating on it's operation (what makes it tick) in which you know nothing because you did not read the post.  how in the world do you expect to solve ANY problem without ALL the information available . that's like butting in on a conversation offering a solution that you know nothing about.
Welcome to the forum by the way.
all information posted in the last month will give one enough knowledge to build a working Figueras device...... some just can't see it.

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« Reply #2809 on: December 09, 2015, 03:33:35 PM »
Here is everything one needs to get a working Figueras Device.

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« Reply #2810 on: December 09, 2015, 07:57:14 PM »
Here is an assembled top view of Figueras device using round bar iron with short core and long core. bolts on end cap and set screws on center core supports.

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« Reply #2811 on: December 09, 2015, 11:30:16 PM »

Sam, Darediamond:


Welcome to the forum.


Sam: Take your time to read all the posts, there too much info. I remember that in october 2014 I posted a very interesting video


Darediamond: your statement about requiring a thick insulation in the inducers is surprising. I have also read that in Cater´s  book (design of the Hubbard generator) and in the patent by Daniel McFarland Cook. Could you explain a little deeper your proposal or your findings?




Marathonman:  Could you elaborate the quote copied below? Is it really a working device?  When did you started to show the working device design? Your design has evolved in the two last months from transverse coils to in-line induced coils. Is there really someone that has a generator working?

i did have some guidance from someone that has had a working device for over a year now and i thank him VERY MUCH for dropping hints here and there.


Lastly I do not post many times. I saw your Mag Amplifier design and I think it wont work as you think: you can not feed power AC and modulate it at 50-60 Hz. You can not feed a 50-60 Hz power signal and modulated it with a 50-60 Hz signal. You need to use a much higher frequency AC signal in the power signal in order to be able to modulate it at 50-60 Hz with your board circuit, and later smoth that HF modulated signal with a cap. Just my thought. I already covered the subject of magnetic amplifier in january 2014. Later I just saw that the AC input must be HF. See this post: [size=78%]http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg383123/#msg383123[/size]




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« Reply #2812 on: December 10, 2015, 12:15:52 AM »
Your design has evolved in the two last months from transverse coils to in-line induced coils. Is there really someone that has a generator working?

"Yes"  there is and that why my design changed. and NO i will not divulge his name....only he can do that.
if you build it with the currant specs it will work.
My mag amp operates at 400hz Hanon some thing i missed to inform. ops !
and your correct about the smoothing caps...... very small one though. you said you couldn't incorporate it into Figueras Device so you gave up. well i did and i posted it.
Figueras, simplified Genius.

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« Reply #2813 on: December 10, 2015, 12:31:07 AM »
I guess that it is important to avoid magnetic leakage in the geometrical configuration of the coils. I tend to think that piling the 7 or 8 single groups is to get a shorter  path for the magnetic lines from one induced coil to the one close to it. For that reason I think that maybe Figuera used a series of  rectangular coils, not cylindrical, more like plates piled one after another to create a short path from one coil to the one next to it. What do you think of this?  A simple design for two group system will be with two electromagnet and two induced coils :


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« Reply #2814 on: December 10, 2015, 02:13:05 AM »
Thank you Chris Sykes, i admire your work and appreciate your in put. I am curious as to why you wanted me to download this as i have an earlier one that i have been studying that is the information that was available to Figueras. i have downloaded it and have been reading it but i must admit it is the same info that is in the earlier version.
is their any specific section that you think i need to study.?????... if there is please let me know
i have also been studying all other patents and have come to the conclusion that all are right about the coil orientation. i have also possibly uncovered another clue to his device and it have to do with Hanon's delay effect.
in most of the patents the cores that were drawn were very long in proportion to the coils and with this set up a delay effect would take place.
also i would like to bring up that the secondary cut away in the first pic. notice that the primary is cut away also. could this be that the primary core was hollow to allow for an adjustment of some kind as in to get the exact delay effect Hanon was referring.  if you look at the other patents you will see that all of them have a long secondary core except two that have no core drawn.
first pic is my point
other pics are of long cores.

the last line on the right is suppose to be 'induced' not enduced and Sorry for the stupid large pic !

Ps. my materials i ordered have still not come in and i am really P O ed. so i haven't been able to do any test.

@Marathonman - No, no reason, just was there if you needed it.

Keep up the good work!

Take the words of Clemente FIGUERA seriously, he knew what he was looking for:

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PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION
Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns, while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one.

Ref: PATENT by CLEMENTE FIGUERA (year 1908) No. 44267 (Spain)


Science tells us Electrical Energy is "Generated" in an Electrical "Generator" - Energy is never ever "Generated"!!! Charge is separated and this is seen as a "Generation" of Electrical Energy.

Good Luck!

   Chris Sykes
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P.S: Sorry for the late reply.

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« Reply #2815 on: December 10, 2015, 04:27:44 AM »
 Thanks EMJunkie i appreciate kind words.

Yes Figueras knew that he had to mimic those exact motions in his stationary device that is why he chose to raise and lower the currant in his electromagnets.... utter Genius.

Hanon; it can't be that way because if it was with the two different poles next to each other the flux leakage would be so bad that hardly any power would be created. the flux would jump across to the other pole and not through the core. they are as you have stated before ( NN) not one but all of them. the entire device has to be all N or all S not both. no where in his patent does it say anything about polarity, people just (assumed ) it was before investigating. by being the same polarity on the opposite end and taken down it helps amplify the incoming signal without interacting with the other electromagnet. if the other electromagnet was a south pole the entire core and electromagnets would act as one. even if it was next to it it would lets say magnetic short circuit if you will. this is not what we want.
the rest of what you say is right but i can't justify the cost of square pure iron that is why i choose bar iron. easy to assemble to.
of course laminated can be used as i was so informed but i really want the most bang for my buck if you know what i mean.

NNNNNNNN
NNNNNNNN

be good everyone and happy Figuering !

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« Reply #2816 on: December 10, 2015, 06:28:10 AM »
Hey Sam, thanks for sharing. Great waveform too. I see you get the basics of the modulation, and why it's required. I don't know electronics, but I don't really see any need for improvement. If you decide to test it, maybe with a transformer with know turns ratios, I'd be interested in the results.  ;D

Hanon, as far as the original coil design, I think we talked about it in the past, but is "reels" of induced coils the proper translation? In his previous motionless patent, he mentioned that it resembles an induction coil in principle, so we know that he was familiar with induction coils.

From wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil
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the secondary coil is wound in many thin flat pancake-shaped sections (called "pies"), connected in series. The primary coil is first wound on the iron core, and insulated from the secondary with a thick paper or rubber coating. Then each secondary subcoil is connected to the coil next to it, and slid onto the iron core,

I know the article is about induction coils, but Figuera may have used the term "reels" to refer to previously rolled coils that were slid onto the iron rod.

Also heard Paul Babcock say, if you want to use iron for cores go to an ammo shop and buy soft iron birdshot for shotguns. He said he used acrylic to coat the shot then formed it in molds.
This is what I'm talking about: http://www.ballisticproducts.com/Steel-Shot-8-bag_10/productinfo/SH08/

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« Reply #2817 on: December 10, 2015, 11:35:34 PM »
Marathonman,


I find difficult to believe that someone has a working device, and he just contacted you in order to help you and he do not want to help the rest of users. Sorry but you are not the kindest person to deal with if someone do not share your ideas. That person supposedly told you his findings while you were trying another design.  I can guess that you surely did not accept those finding at first. I refer to your mood just by watching your behaviour with some users as NRamaswami, Darediamond, Sam, Antijon or even me when some of us just posted discrepancies with you transverse coil design (now abandoned by you) or just by advising you of some weak points to take into consideration as I tried to do. I will love to believe you and I would love to know that somebody had discovered the key. That was my aim by sharing all this in this thread. But I can not get it how you could have access to such info.


Antijon,


The translation is fine. Figuera used some old words that are not currently in use in spanish electromagnetism jargon. For example he used sometimes the word "carrete" (reel) a word that today is not in use and everybody tend to use the word "bobina" (coil) instead. Anyway I copied the original spanish text in order anyone could improve the translation if required. You may try to re-translate any parragraph with Google translator. I really think that the key is not hidden in some special word. I tend to think that the real key are the polarity and the geometrical dimensions and placement of the coils.


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« Reply #2818 on: December 11, 2015, 03:48:50 AM »
Marathonman,


I find difficult to believe that someone has a working device, and he just contacted you in order to help you and he do not want to help the rest of users. Sorry but you are not the kindest person to deal with if someone do not share your ideas. That person supposedly told you his findings while you were trying another design.  I can guess that you surely did not accept those finding at first. I refer to your mood just by watching your behaviour with some users as NRamaswami, Darediamond, Sam, Antijon or even me when some of us just posted discrepancies with you transverse coil design (now abandoned by you) or just by advising you of some weak points to take into consideration as I tried to do. I will love to believe you and I would love to know that somebody had discovered the key. That was my aim by sharing all this in this thread. But I can not get it how you could have access to such info.

Well i can't really deny anything you said except about the person in question.  i was the one that pmed  him because of some of the clues he dropped to us that no one ever thought twice about except ME apparently.  so i pmed more and found out he has had a device for over a year now and he shared much, much more to me. that is why my design took a radical turn.  i do not know why he won't share, i haven't a clue in the world.  i really don't care or want to care why. it really wouldn't bother me if this server crashed tomorrow but one thing i did do is shared everything he relayed to me to everyone on this forum.
the information posted over the last month will allow someone to build a Figueras device.  open your mind and really look especially at my last few post and you will know, if not well i can't help that only God can.

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« Reply #2819 on: December 11, 2015, 06:03:39 AM »
 ;) Thanks Marathon