Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY (Read 11892026 times)

NickZ · « **Reply #14700 on:** August 27, 2016, 12:56:45 AM »

Yes, well we all have questions...

apecore: You mentioned:
"So i like to open this discussion starting with the following basis question(s);

When we have a output coil length of 37.5 m,...
kind of standing wave do we need to create in this output coil?....
Has it to be the quarter wave of 2 Mhz?
end quote.

The problem has been that so far when tuning for the 1/4 or 1/3, or 1/2 wave frequencies. Nothing in particular happens.
Which is the same point that Itsu got to. And as each replication, and all the different versions are all different. And running at different frequencies. Which one of all to go with? What truth to follow?
AG says that I don't know anything... that's true. That's why I'm here.

apecore · « **Reply #14701 on:** August 27, 2016, 01:00:56 AM »

Quote from: NickZ on August 27, 2016, 12:56:45 AM

Yes, well we all have questions...

apecore: You mentioned:
"So i like to open this discussion starting with the following basis question(s);

When we have a output coil length of 37.5 m,...
kind of standing wave do we need to create in this output coil?....
Has it to be the quarter wave of 2 Mhz?

The problem has been that so far when tuning for the 1/4 or 1/3, or 1/2 wave frequencies. Nothing in particular happens.
Which is the same point that Itsu got to. And as each replication, and all the different versions are all different. And running at different frequencies. Which one of all to go with?
AG says that I don't know anything... that's true. That's why I'm here.

Nick,

Shall i tell you a secret?

I know even less then you.....

NickZ · « **Reply #14702 on:** August 27, 2016, 01:42:20 AM »

As I had mentioned, I'm looking for the sync, and that is why I'm doing it the way that I'm doing it. To see what happens, next.
So far, so good.
Hopefully I'll be able to obtain some of the still needed components in the next few days. Then I can continue on using higher voltages, without overheating the rectifiers, or anything else.

Tomtech: So, we can also try the parallel cap placement on the 3 turns coils and test it out for ourselves. If it helps, use it.
What value are those caps supposed to be? Any idea?
I don't remember seeing that capacitor on Ruslan's device schematic, like the version (TopRuslan7) I'm working towards.

AlienGrey · « **Reply #14703 on:** August 27, 2016, 01:45:07 AM »

Quote from: NickZ on August 27, 2016, 12:56:45 AM

Yes, well we all have questions...

apecore: You mentioned:
"So i like to open this discussion starting with the following basis question(s);

When we have a output coil length of 37.5 m,...
kind of standing wave do we need to create in this output coil?....
Has it to be the quarter wave of 2 Mhz?
end quote.

The problem has been that so far when tuning for the 1/4 or 1/3, or 1/2 wave frequencies. Nothing in particular happens.
Which is the same point that Itsu got to And as each replication, and all the different versions are all different. And running at different frequencies. Which one of all to go with? What truth to follow?
AG says that I don't know anything... that's true. That's why I'm here.

I only know it's standing waves cus Arunus gave it away. Have you ever seen a winding that's wound like the hypocritical medical profession has as it's symbol well that's the secret in a way, it's used in the grenade coil.

I think the katcher is 20m yours should be 19 m same as the first winding on the grenade coil I think

anyway we will soon find out, but note in my test circuit the tuning caps across the coil, it's in the Sergey circuit if you look.

NickZ · « **Reply #14704 on:** August 27, 2016, 02:08:30 AM »

Yes, well I test using a bunch of different caps, adding more caps like in Geo's round core device or more like his RMG device, didn't add anything for me on what I'm working on now. However, I have not tried the parallel placement on the 3 turns, as the version that I'm working on didn't have it, as far as I can see. Still, it may be worth a try.

I suspect that a separate magnetic circuit is not necessary, if the circuit is made like the Poma self runner. The lower voltage and frequency wave (standing or not), is produce by the same HV Kacher circuit. It's the unknowns that bothers me on that device.

AlienGrey · « **Reply #14705 on:** August 27, 2016, 05:03:28 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on August 27, 2016, 01:42:20 AM

As I had mentioned, I'm looking for the sync, and that is why I'm doing it the way that I'm doing it. To see what happens, next.
So far, so good.
Hopefully I'll be able to obtain some of the still needed components in the next few days. Then I can continue on using higher voltages, without overheating the rectifiers, or anything else.

Tomtech: So, we can also try the parallel cap placement on the 3 turns coils and test it out for ourselves. If it helps, use it.
What value are those caps supposed to be? Any idea? ((((yes it's in the Alexee diagram but !)))
I don't remember seeing that capacitor on Ruslan's device schematic, like the version (TopRuslan7) I'm working towards. (((( Oh really literally ? do you believe everything your told or in this case not told ? )))

NickZ I didn't say you know nothing, it's a miss quote! I said what do you know about it (the device so far i meant)!
Now If you're going to play about with the caps (C) do you have an inductance meter ? as you need to be able to work out the resonant values and i think the winding lengths have to be related to the wavelengths in this project from what I have read.

Regards AG

NickZ · « **Reply #14706 on:** August 27, 2016, 06:27:44 PM »

Oh, sorry. It was a misquote... I see... I should have quoted what was mentioned below then. My mistake.

"A fat lot you know! you don't need a full bridge or half bridge to generate a standing wave all you need is a transmitter driver stage mismatch!"
end quote from AG.

I don't know what the standing wave mismatch is suppose to look like on the Kacher/Grenad set up.
I don't think that you need an inductance meter. Nor do I see Ruslan or Akula needing to use one.
But, I think that I have enough mismatches, already. However, I do know just what I'm trying to do. And, there's more than one way to shin a cat.

apecore · « **Reply #14707 on:** August 27, 2016, 07:17:19 PM »

Quote from: AlienGrey on August 27, 2016, 05:03:28 PM

as you need to be able to work out the resonant values and i think the winding lengths have to be related to the wavelengths in this project from what I have read.

Regards AG

I think AG is right,.... resonance frequenty related to the standing wave winding lengths.

If we use the mentioned 37.5 m coil length etc........ how is it possible that everybody has a different resonance frequenty?

To generate the desired standing wave you have to tune your caps to the winding (wavelength) frequenty.

So when using kacher secundair coil of 19 meter,... inductor 19 m and output coil ....they all need to be tuned at the same frequenty.
Driving the yoke on 1/50 or 1/40 part of this frequenty is inherent to the resonance tuning

In order to make the secundair kacher coil out of 19 meter it means that it has to run primairy on a higher voltage ... to get the HV.

Or am i going crazy

NickZ · « **Reply #14708 on:** August 27, 2016, 08:14:11 PM »

Quote from: apecore on August 27, 2016, 07:17:19 PM

I think AG is right,.... resonance frequenty related to the standing wave winding lengths.

If we use the mentioned 37.5 m coil length etc........ how is it possible that everybody has a different resonance frequenty?

To generate the desired standing wave you have to tune your caps to the winding (wavelength) frequenty.

So when using kacher secundair coil of 19 meter,... inductor 19 m and output coil ....they all need to be tuned at the same frequenty.
Driving the yoke on 1/50 or 1/40 part of this frequenty is inherent to the resonance tuning

In order to make the secundair kacher coil out of 19 meter it means that it has to run primairy on a higher voltage ... to get the HV.

Or am i going crazy

apecore: That I don't know, but... could be...
You mentioned:
"If we use the mentioned 37.5 m coil length etc........ how is it possible that everybody has a different resonance frequenty?"

Because of the different winding methods, node points, different types of wire and insulation thickness, different former tubes, tuning caps, etz...

"To generate the desired standing wave you have to tune your caps to the winding (wavelength) frequenty."

There is no tuning needed on the grenade output coil. It is what it is. But, the wire type, former tube, number of winds, all have to do with it's final running frequency. As well as reversing the winds right at the proper nodes, to produce it's inductance cancelling effect. Or at least a partial inductance cancelling effect.

First: The grenade inductor coil is tuned to obtain the best gain and amplitude at the output of the grenade coil, by tuning using your TL 484 controllers pots, adding caps to the inductor, etz.
The Kacher is then tuned to the inductor/grenade running frequency. Which is the SAME frequency on both the inductor and grenade output coils. The Kacher's impulse frequency then must be caused to sync with the inductor's frequency. Where ever that may be, to produce the superpositioning that's required to produce OU. Then that OU output is rectified, and filtered by 24v, 10A Ps, and sent back to the input.
At least, that's how I see it.
Ask three people, and get three different answers...

apecore · « **Reply #14709 on:** August 27, 2016, 09:04:05 PM »

Nick,
Thanks....perhaps you explained it several times...but it is in this kind of complex processes nescessary we do all the same things.
Then results will be same during tests and changes in the setup can be explained.

So if someone (out of the three) .. have another approach i will be delighted to hear it.

I am new here but ...in my opinion one off the discrepanties are that there are too much different setups wich also partly are not complete or correct drawed/ designed.

I hope and i mean it for real is that we go and start discuss real fact about configurations....and compare it to each other.
Else it will last again a long time before predicted result will come out.

So again thanks for the explanation and i hope that others will comply or adjust your statement.

AlienGrey · « **Reply #14710 on:** August 27, 2016, 10:24:17 PM »

Quote from: NickZ on August 27, 2016, 08:14:11 PM

I think AG is right,.... resonance frequenty related to the standing wave winding lengths.

If we use the mentioned 37.5 m coil length etc........ how is it possible that everybody has a different resonance frequenty?

To generate the desired standing wave you have to tune your caps to the winding (wavelength) frequenty.

So when using kacher secundair coil of 19 meter,... inductor 19 m and output coil ....they all need to be tuned at the same frequenty.
Driving the yoke on 1/50 or 1/40 part of this frequenty is inherent to the resonance tuning

In order to make the secundair kacher coil out of 19 meter it means that it has to run primairy on a higher voltage ... to get the HV.

Or am i going crazy no your wrong Nick

the capacitor across the coil will change the frequency !!!!!! fact. so pick your frequency then work out your capacitor value, it's basic technical maths !!

Hope you don't mind me putting you on the right road

apecore · « **Reply #14711 on:** August 27, 2016, 10:40:08 PM »

I don t mind...therefore i am here.
We all have the same goal ...so let us go for result and forget the personell issue

Is it not that you define the frequenty and pick the cap by math?

apecore · « **Reply #14712 on:** August 27, 2016, 10:43:31 PM »

Quote from: apecore on August 27, 2016, 10:40:08 PM

I don t mind...therefore i am here.
We all have the same goal ...so let us go for result and forget the personell issue

Is it not that you define the frequenty and pick the cap by math?

We do mean the same approach

apecore · « **Reply #14713 on:** August 27, 2016, 10:45:30 PM »

Quote from: apecore on August 27, 2016, 10:40:08 PM

I don t mind...therefore i am here.
We all have the same goal ...so let us go for result and forget the personell issue

Is it not that you define the frequenty and pick the cap by math?

Why is the frequenty not fixed?.related to the winding length?

AlienGrey · « **Reply #14714 on:** August 28, 2016, 12:54:06 AM »

Quote from: apecore on August 27, 2016, 10:45:30 PM

Why is the frequency not fixed?.related to the winding length?

because the size of the capacitance and the coils self-capacitance alters the charge time and the energy stored in the coil basically cap charges then dumps it in the coil then coil becomes saturated changes polarity and then dumps the energy back in cap and so on like a kid sloshing up and down on a concaved surface. So will your next generator have a pendulum ?

Nick I'm not getting at you at all I realise you have problems, we have a lot of hot Sun and heat over here some days it's almost impossible to work indoors so I assume it must be similar where you are, and then some things just don't work so that's why I made the coil and test circuit it showed something was wrong.
I can remember one of my lecturer tutors telling me as a kid 'don't take life too seriously as you will never get out alive ' how very true.
AG

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