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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11886350 times)

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8925 on: June 26, 2015, 03:54:45 PM »
  Zeit:
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  "Did Kapanadze wind Tesla coils when he discovered that OU effect? Or did he rather connect together some three-phase transformers and some three-phase capacitors (like Stepanov)?"

   Tariel had HV going to the antenna coil through the spark-gap, on the very first original device in 1994? Without HV there is no heterodyning of the frequencies. And without that, there is only a oversimplified and very inefficient inverter working, to light the bulbs, with no OU.

  AlienGrey:  All the information that you are looking for has already been given on this thread, but you'll have to look for it.
   Each new device from Ruslan has different circuitry, and components. And unless you're real proficient at electronics, you'll
have a hard time replicating the newest circuits. So, unless you're really committed, (with full conviction), as Hoppy would say,
don't even try it. Or you'll end up like the other guys here, having a poor replication showing no extra output, complaining about
how it must be all faked.
  Below is his latest Kacher oscillator, along with the push-pull circuitry, and winding instructions for the Kacher. 
Sorry for the blurry pic, but I think that you get the idea. Both the Kacher driver, and the push-pull driver are now in one box.
So, as you can see, it's getting very complicated.  You may want to play around with a spark gap (SG) instead.
  Good luck.
   
« Last Edit: June 26, 2015, 09:17:13 PM by NickZ »

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8926 on: June 26, 2015, 08:10:24 PM »
Tariel had HV going to the antenna coil through the spark-gap, on the first original device. Without HV there is no heterodyning of the frequencies. And without that, there is only a oversimplified and very inefficient inverter working, to light the bulbs.

This was proven to be a fake. (One more fake to worry about 8) )

Some HV YES, external (artificial) HV creation and spark gap NO.

Go to 20:20 in this video Kapanadze 28th April 2004 full version free energy device: The spark fails (at least has not its full strength) but the power output stays at 5KW nevertheless.

Conclusion: That spark has nothing to do with the output power of that device. The transformer, the diode bridge, the big silver capacitor, the two transistors on the heat sinks and a small hidden flyback (from B/W TV?) are there to generate that spark just as a mere eye-candy.

Those parts are a poorly (hence failing) constructed push pull flyback driver to add a bit of a nice visual effect for the audience.

Admitted, it took me some time to realize that. >:(

99,99 percent of all demonstrations of OU devices are fakery, either completely or in part (working, but showing misleading components). Now we should look for the 0,01 percent that are real, then we are on the way. :)

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8927 on: June 26, 2015, 09:29:36 PM »
  Proven to be a fake. By who???
  I haven't seen a "proven fake" yet. But, I have heard of a lot of speculation.

  According to some, ALL self runners are fakes.
  According to Tiger,  Akula's device that he witnessed was not a fake.  Again, I believe him.
  That is one of the reasons that I decided to focus on that device. So, lets also try to stick with that replication effort,
as it's the only one that at least some what "proven" up to now. 
  Another reason that I previously left the TK thread. As there's was a thousand pages talk, but no action.

   

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« Reply #8928 on: June 26, 2015, 11:32:19 PM »
With Russian interpreter and YT link to conference I gave it is possible to follow build and tuning explanations from Ruslan himself then see where you can get with effect replication.
For Russian speakers it is quite clear. Also due almost two hours of conference it is not easy task for translation in exact radio engineering terms...

T, if you could provide the basic tuning steps and put them in order of precedence, it would be most helpful for those who wish to replicate.  Extensive details are not needed at this time, just a simple outline.  For example, there are a couple of capacitors with unmarked values, how are those values found and what do we need to look for on the oscilloscope to find them.

At the moment, I'm not sure if given a completely finished device assembled by Ruslan himself, if I could actually get it tuned and operational.  The steps in tuning are probably more important than the actual hardware.

Zeitmaschine

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8929 on: June 27, 2015, 12:00:15 AM »
Proven to be a fake. By who???

By Kapanadze in person in front of the video camera. When a working spark is responsible for the energy output, then how can a non-working spark also be responsible for the same amount of energy output? This escapes my logic.

According to Tiger,  Akula's device that he witnessed was not a fake.  Again, I believe him.
That is one of the reasons that I decided to focus on that device.

Believing is good, knowing is better. In the Kapanadze video(s) we see exactly nothing because the part that generates the output energy is completely hidden in the tin can. Hence no surprise no one can replicate it. But surprisingly no one can replicate a device shown in plain view and explained by its creator. Ultimately something must be terrible wrong with that device and/or its creator.

This is why that Stepanov video is my favored video. Although (or because) someone took great care to degrade the image quality to an absolute minimum, I'm pretty sure what we see in that video is the real stuff, without any deception.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8930 on: June 27, 2015, 12:15:07 AM »
  Well, I'm glad that you found something that you think is real. The Stepanov device is another example of a simpler non-nanosecond type of technology. As well as the Vasmus device, which were both self running.

   Previously a spark gap is what was doing the job, now you need 100 components, that still can't reach the 5kv output of the Kapanadze garden device.  No eye candy here:


   
 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8931 on: June 27, 2015, 12:51:39 AM »
Dog-One I have no idea ! but to tune a coil you need a frequency counter and a Voltage controlled oscillator like a HEF4046 circuit feed pin 9 into two 2 leds red one, one way and the other in the reverse direction, feed the output of the leds too the coil and as you hit harmonics of the coil resonance the leds will get brighter and brighter when they are brightest read the frequency off the frequency meter or use a scope, or grid dip osc it's the only way the armature can do it. no idea how to do the rest as the way they are wound. but If you don't really know what your doing or don’t have a clue forget it.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8932 on: June 27, 2015, 05:41:54 AM »
Almost right. The 4046 Pin 9 is the VCO _input_; the voltage on this pin controls the frequency of the built in VCO. The raw VCO _output_ is Pin 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMQkCW5vZVc

(This video has the most "thumbs downs" of all my recent videos! Something in there is really rubbing my personal trolls the wrong way. Sorry, no tits or beer.)

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« Reply #8933 on: June 27, 2015, 06:49:04 AM »
Thanks TK.  That video is quite helpful.

So I'm looking at the 4046 spec sheet and I see the basic setup.  Can anyone explain why Ruslan adds another low-pass filter between the VCO output and the comparator input?  Is it because there are many harmonics the PLL could lock on to and he only wants the lowest one?  And do we know if this lowest harmonic is actually the fundamental?

Also note the main low-pass filter has a 5.6k resistor in series with the capacitor.  What is the purpose of this?  To slow down the lock even more maybe?  Why would that be?  Is this PLL circuit specifically designed to jump back-n-forth between two different frequencies?

See what I'm getting at guys?  It looks easy, but it's far more complicated than it appears.  You can't just slap this gizmo together and bring'th light.  You have to know how it works and define your tuning steps around that knowledge to get anywhere.  If I had those tuning steps and followed them carefully, I "might" begin to understand how this device works and why the circuit is the way it is.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8934 on: June 27, 2015, 07:13:04 AM »
Thanks TK.  That video is quite helpful.

So I'm looking at the 4046 spec sheet and I see the basic setup.  Can anyone explain why Ruslan adds another low-pass filter between the VCO output and the comparator input?  Is it because there are many harmonics the PLL could lock on to and he only wants the lowest one?  And do we know if this lowest harmonic is actually the fundamental?

Also note the main low-pass filter has a 5.6k resistor in series with the capacitor.  What is the purpose of this?  To slow down the lock even more maybe?  Why would that be?  Is this PLL circuit specifically designed to jump back-n-forth between two different frequencies?

See what I'm getting at guys?  It looks easy, but it's far more complicated than it appears.  You can't just slap this gizmo together and bring'th light.  You have to know how it works and define your tuning steps around that knowledge to get anywhere.  If I had those tuning steps and followed them carefully, I "might" begin to understand how this device works and why the circuit is the way it is.

Good day Dog-one

When the type II comparator, pin#13 on the CD4046 PLL IC is selected as in your attachment, the * signal-in* (pin#14) can be gated and still maintain a *lock* on your target frequency. This technique allows power control by  *throttling* or *gating* the primary signal.

Type I phase comparator (pin#2) requires a 50% D/C to maintain lock.   

But more importantly, pin#13 type II phase comparator will *not* lock onto any harmonic, it only locks onto the fundamental / first harmonic........... this is the primary difference between Pin#2 phase comparator type I & Pin#13 phase comparator type II.

I have noticed that none of Olega design have used Pin#2 (typeI phase comparator), all his designs are engineered to lock onto the fundamental using Pin#13 (type II phase comparator).

The schematic from Ollega use pin#13- typeII PHASE comparator, don't know if he is *gating* the signal.........
Only drawback is the TypeII comparator is much more sensitive to *noise* so good board layout / design is essential.
Almost all designs for DRSSTC I have seen use Pin#2 TypeI phase comparator for that very reason (noise immunity).

take care, peace
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8935 on: June 27, 2015, 07:59:45 AM »
Use a standard generator at first to slowly dial thru the frequency range. from 15 khz to 60 khz or so... ideally i found 27khz area was most efficient 72%. Going too high in frequency will damage fet in that schematic, going to low will simple loose efficient output and not light bulbs. Several large efficient peaks can be found throughout the range.  Small peaks as you hit the timing of the high frequency tesla impulse just right on each ring down peak.   S1 is wired wrong it wont invert in that schematic. The 4046 circuit is designed to lock into anything in that  range i believe. I found the feedback signal is not a smooth sine-wave, so it has trouble locking all the time. But then how could it be smooth feedback with 3 coils all mixing in the air transformer. With a Tesla impulse and the high frequency ring down. The sine wave can never be smooth when its being hit with that massive impulse making locking of the 4046 a ridiculous design. But it somehow shows lock once in a while from the Leds.  I do not think this is the schematic to follow. But if you like adjusting tuning caps for days on end with no results over 72% go for it. I think an arduino controled vco would be better choice you could put more programming into the arduino to help filter the junk noise feedback. Just an idea for someone else, im convinced myself after days of tuning caps its a bad design but only throwing ideas out, trying not to be negative.

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« Reply #8936 on: June 27, 2015, 08:29:11 AM »
I found the feedback signal is not a smooth sine-wave, so it has trouble locking all the time. But then how could it be smooth feedback with 3 coils all mixing in the air transformer. With a Tesla impulse and the high frequency ring down. The sine wave can never be smooth when its being hit with that massive impulse making locking of the 4046 a ridiculous design. But it somehow shows lock once in a while from the Leds.  I do not think this is the schematic to follow.

The Type-II setup here will lock on rising edges.  The feedback circuit shown is designed to magnify whatever signal is present on the current sense transformer (toroid).  It then clip the tops and bottoms off that signal with the two diodes, so it's no longer a sine wave anymore.  It then toggles between high and low at the zero crossing via the comparator.  In order for this type of feedback signal to work, you need considerable amperage on the sense wire and lots of turns on the pickup toroid.  The polarity of the current sense toroid is also critical.

Again, like I alluded to previously, this is a complicated device.  Understanding why Ruslan would want to phase lock at the zero crossing (either going high or going low--not sure which), is a bit of a mystery.

I put the above circuit together to do a little testing and noticed the minimum frequency is about 6kHz.  I think somewhere in the latest few videos he mentions the device operating at 15kHz, clearly lower than the 27kHz many thought was the sweet spot.  So we know he built a frequency range into the circuitry for a reason and it appears by adding/changing capacitors on the energy side of his device, better performance can be achieved.  This also gives me the feeling all the talk about wire length in the coils isn't absolutely correct.  It's probably more important that the ratios are good, but the frequency can be adjusted as needed using capacitors.  You may also notice in his latest videos, he has a large gob of capacitors all soldered together in the box with the yoke coil glued to the lid.

Also interesting is that he now uses instead of a single pulse to the Tesla coil, he uses a burst.  This can be easily achieved with a simple gate driver that has an enable (acting as an AND gate) and the Slayer Exciter circuit attached.  A word of caution though, you will need a heatsinked gate driver to run effectively in the MHz range and a separate (ternary) winding on the Tesla coil as the feedback.  That way you can still hard ground the base of the Tesla coil secondary as Ruslan stresses.

Now if only Ruslan himself would come on this thread and tell me I'm wrong and what I should do instead...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #8937 on: June 27, 2015, 02:32:42 PM »
HEF 4046 device

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« Reply #8938 on: June 27, 2015, 02:43:17 PM »
This is what i slung to gather a HEF4046 and an buffered inverter going to 2 Red leds and a |Tesla coil so i can get the best passive resonance frequency in tune with the universe so to speak (don’t want any energy from the Dark side) ;) also the cap across pin 6 and 7 is missing on my circuit as i need a high freq with that coil i have, from what you all have in the Ruslan device must be about 6 Mhz or 1/4 wave but still 6mhz fundamental on the Tesla coil. To get 1Mhz5 you will need a good 1250 T on a 50mm drain pipe in the material world, pulsed or not to get it all in resonance or your pissing in the wind, like it or not ;).

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« Reply #8939 on: June 27, 2015, 02:58:17 PM »
Bread board lashup notice pins 6 & 7 are floating, Leds not shown on circuit, but fully in resonance here and brilliantly lit from pin 4 to buffer chip like TK said could use 4049 all in parallel coil on left is just a Tesla coil.
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