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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 6930886 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #180 on: October 02, 2012, 10:48:07 AM »
I don't understand the arrows, or the caption in russian
The caption translates as "What wire is that?"

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #180 on: October 02, 2012, 10:48:07 AM »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #181 on: October 02, 2012, 10:50:28 AM »
There is an easy trick that you should try with that nanopulser.
Namely, use an open coaxial cable instead of the C1 capacitor.

Ok,  some further sidetracking with my nano-pulser.
I put a 7.89m long open coax cable in place of the 3pF C1 cap like suggested.
Coiled up or not does not matter.

You can see the result here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAMby3BVa74&feature=youtu.be


Inspired by Hoppy, i checked out if an ATX PS can run on 220V DC as that is what we see in all the "Dally 2012" diagrams (it does).

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSjfAp-YJSc&list=UUdJ2A-075yx9y4bKqu_8Q8A&index=1&feature=plcp

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #182 on: October 02, 2012, 11:33:28 AM »
So regarding the KD203A or DSRDs how should these be connected vs the toroid's windings? 


If both are clockwise, a positive pulse on one side should be put on the negative(cathode) side?  Then the same side on the secondary should be on the cathode side of the other diode?   Seems If I get this backwards, then the pulse will just go through the diode and not go down the coax...


If the beginning of a CW winding on the toroid is connected to the cathode on one side, is the beginning or end of the other  CW winding attached to the cathode on the other side?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #182 on: October 02, 2012, 11:33:28 AM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #183 on: October 02, 2012, 11:42:39 AM »
Ok,  some further sidetracking with my nano-pulser.
I put a 7.89m long open coax cable in place of the 3pF C1 cap like suggested.
Coiled up or not does not matter.

You can see the result here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAMby3BVa74&feature=youtu.be


Inspired by Hoppy, i checked out if an ATX PS can run on 220V DC as that is what we see in all the "Dally 2012" diagrams (it does).

Video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSjfAp-YJSc&list=UUdJ2A-075yx9y4bKqu_8Q8A&index=1&feature=plcp

Regards Itsu


Interesting; so the cable length vs pulse time is probably important, so that the trailing edge of that pulse should hit the reflection (resonant 1 step)....


does the reflection time double with the shield shorted to the conductor?  ... okay saw that; so no, but it does invert the signal... so the falling edge should hit that....




Also nice to know about the ATX power supply; guess the first phase of that is a bridge rectifier to DC before any step downs even...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #184 on: October 02, 2012, 11:43:44 AM »
Inspired by Hoppy, i checked out if an ATX PS can run on 220V DC as that is what we see in all the "Dally 2012" diagrams (it does).
Pulsing the coax was fun and educational. I'd like to add that you had reflections from both ends of the coax. Anywhere not terminated with 50Ω creates reflections.

Regarding the ATX Power Supply:
 It is obvious that it runs on 200VDC because those power supplies have full-wave bridge rectifiers at their input. Those with PFC - do not.

I think that Hoppy was objecting to the insufficient power to run the ATX PSU when supplied by L4 or insufficient voltage due to L4/L1 turn ratio (83/475=~1/6). Even if the unloaded L4 voltage was sufficient to run the ATX PSU then most likely the power input provided to the cylindrical coil L1-4 (by transformer Tr2), was insufficient to maintain this voltage when loaded with the ATX PSU.

His objection has merit if the transformer Tr2 (driven by TL494) is the only source of power to L4.

Hoppy's objection has no merit if there is power gain between L1 and L4 because of some undiscovered process stimulated by the nanopulses in L3 and the oscillations of the LC tank composed of L2 & C?.

IMHO this above energy gaining process can be stimulated in a Gain Medium such as ferrite, brass, or copper tubes/rings, but not in the Vinyl glue dispenser tube or air.

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« Reply #185 on: October 02, 2012, 12:03:33 PM »
Interesting; so the cable length vs pulse time is probably important, so that the trailing edge of that pulse should hit the reflection (resonant 1 step)....
Oh yes!
If the reflected pulse hits the next pulse then a standing wave is produced.

does the reflection time double with the shield shorted to the conductor?  ...
No, but if the reflected pulse superimposes on the next pulse then its amplitude doubles.

The reflections happen anytime the coax is not terminated with 50Ω (at any end!)
See:
Coax Pulsing Video1
Coax Pulsing Video2


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #186 on: October 02, 2012, 12:07:07 PM »

I think Ganzha is probably right and we are looking at a fake. IMO it could be something similar to the Aqua2 trick, in this case with the braid acting as the mains neutral and inside, carrying a 'live' conductor going back to the domestic supply in the house. This is like TK used for the Aqua2, a braided cable sheath / hose, not ordinary braided earth strap, as it can be seen to be much wider where its clamped with the earth bolt. Only thin conductors are needed for the low energy flouro lamp. Although, fairly obvious from the coil winding ratios, I have already established that with the rail voltage levels shown on the schematic, insufficient voltage is available from L4 to run the PSU. L4 is most likely carrying the mains live feed through to the bridge rectifier. If this is a fake, then Dally is right on one point - that the earth wire is essential for operation of the device  ;D

I will cease work on this project to let this one play out. T1000 has already advised us to hang fire and wait developments from Dally.

Regards
Hoppy


I just have to say you've only shown insufficient voltage from your setup....


This is shots of my probes, set at 10x
Two different scopes, one on the resonant L2 coil (with a high freqency)
other scope with a probe across a 400V capacitor on the L4 output coil.  (This gets up to 75 now).


When I started, just the green wire was giving me about 50V output.  I added the red coil, and shifted the inner coils so the red was on the ouside, and got up to 75 (probably about 50% more wire on the original)... Dally made a comment 'I needed more wire....' which is why blue becomes brown... But... adding more wire will increase the pickup.


My L1 high voltage drive coil is wound on an inner pvc that slides in another pvc tube just snuggly.  On the outer PVC is wound the L2, and on that is the L3 coax wire.  (You can't see the L2, somewhat the leads coming off...)  Then on that I have some plastic corregated board forming a tube that the outer pickup coil is wound on.  3 tube slide independantly.


So if I find another bobbin spool like the one I wound with red wire (it's 5 layers of 13 turns slighly larger inner diameter than the green coil.


It would probably be better if L4 were also in a resonance with L2 (mine is not)...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #187 on: October 02, 2012, 12:37:03 PM »
Oh yes!
If the reflected pulse hits the next pulse then a standing wave is produced.
No, but if the reflected pulse superimposes on the next pulse then its amplitude doubles.

The reflections happen anytime the coax is not terminated with 50Ω (at any end!)
See:
Coax Pulsing Video1
Coax Pulsing Video2

A wave lab inside a coaxial cable

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #188 on: October 02, 2012, 02:54:21 PM »
Taking a look at picture #4 of the breadboard

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/edward_lee

We see a large red semiconductor, bolt mount. This looks like an SCR to me or does the KD926 come in such a package? I cannot find any info for SCR part # Ky220 referenced in some of his other pulser circuits.

Took another look at picture #9 and it does seem the wires go to a solder lug, and the braid looks rather flat as it hangs over the board.

I agree with verpies, a gain medium is probably required if we are talking NMR, unless the copper wires are also the gain medium (doubt it). Also could be the "unknown process"

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #189 on: October 02, 2012, 03:26:12 PM »
This looks like an SCR to me or does the KD926 come in such a package?
I think it does. DSRD are high current diodes, thus they come in high power packages.

In my experiments the DSDR had the forward current of 10A for 100ns and the reverse current of 20A for 40ns.
Strange but true.
This is because in order to maximize the DSR diode effect, the forward current through the diode should be lower and of longer duration, yet the reverse current should be higher and of shorter duration.

If forward and reverse current waveforms are the same then the DSR diode stops conducting when the current through the diode is equal to zero and the DSR effect disappears.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #190 on: October 02, 2012, 06:10:35 PM »

I think that Hoppy was objecting to the insufficient power to run the ATX PSU when supplied by L4 or insufficient voltage due to L4/L1 turn ratio (83/475=~1/6). Even if the unloaded L4 voltage was sufficient to run the ATX PSU then most likely the power input provided to the cylindrical coil L1-4 (by transformer Tr2), was insufficient to maintain this voltage when loaded with the ATX PSU.

His objection has merit if the transformer Tr2 (driven by TL494) is the only source of power to L4.

Hoppy's objection has no merit if there is power gain between L1 and L4 because of some undiscovered process stimulated by the nanopulses in L3 and the oscillations of the LC tank composed of L2 & C?.

IMHO this above energy gaining process can be stimulated in a Gain Medium such as ferrite, brass, or copper tubes/rings, but not in the Vinyl glue dispenser tube or air.

Yes, that is what I was getting at because we have to assume that Dally's L4 coil powered the PSU using the coil winding ratio as worked out from his set of photos. clearly a lot more turns will increase the voltages but we also need a couple of amps or so to run the PSU from somewhere. The best I can do is 17V DC on L4, dropping to 13.8V with a 1 Amp load, which is a long way off 150V!

I ran up my replication today without the AT PSU and powered the circuit form my bench PSU. Pulses from the nano pulser applied to the co-ax had no affect on the coil output voltages at any setting on the pot. I also tried various different cap values for tuning L2 around resonance. Anyway, I'm now going to leave things until I get back to the bench in a weeks time.

Regards
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
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« Reply #191 on: October 02, 2012, 07:27:48 PM »
After posting the last message about nanopulse generation with DSR diodes, I received so many private messages that I am posting the article below.

Please check the wording for any errors or issues that are not clear and PM me if you find any, as I would like to polish it up for publication.

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The current waveform applied to the DSR diode can be generated by many different techniques, such as: a pulse transformer with saturable core, inductive flyback pulse, dual switch scheme, etc…

The DSR diode pulse generator depicted in Fig. 1 consists of two circuits with a fast power transistor Q1 (e.g.: MOSFET or IGBT, GaAs BJT, etc…) between them.
The first circuit is composed of inductive energy storage L1 and the second circuit is composed of a capacitive storage C2, inductive storage L2 and DSR Diode D1 (connected in parallel with the load resistor R1). Note that L2, C2, Q1 and D1/R1 form a series RLC circuit. Hereafter this circuit will be referred to as simply: “the series RLC circuit”. 
The capacitor C1 is used to stabilize the supply voltage and decrease the effective internal resistance of the power supply at high frequencies.

Before the impulse generation begins, the transistor Q1 is not conducting (the circuit is open between the drain and source terminals) and the capacitor C2 is charged up to the power supply voltage via the load resistor R1.

To begin nanopulse generation, a short pulse is applied to the gate of Q1 causing it to start conducting.
As soon as the transistor Q1 starts conducting, two events take place:
1) The capacitor C2 discharges through the forward conduction of D1 and
2) the inductances L2 & L1 start accumulating energy (the currents through them increase).

The current through L2 is inherently periodic if the series LCR circuit, formed by L2, C2, Q1RDS-ON and D1/R1, is underdamped, that is: its total resistance is less than 2(C/L)0.5. The period of this oscillation is equal to 1/( 1/LC - R2/4L2 )0.5.

After approximately one-half of this oscillation period (after interval T1), the transistor Q1 stops conducting.  See Fig.2.
During the interval T1 the D1 diode was conducting forward and charge was injected into its P-N junction.
For the manifestation of the DSR effect it is very important that the T1 interval is short enough (in the hundreds of ns) to not allow the injected charge to reach the other side of the P-N junction.

During the T1 interval, the periodic current through the series LCR circuit has reached its peak and and decreased back to zero. At the beginning of the interval T2 the current through D1 begins to reverse its direction due to the transient oscillation of the series RLC circuit, effectively causing D1 to conduct in reverse and gradually deplete the charge injected into its P-N junction during T1.

From the beginning of interval T2 the current flowing through L1 joins with current flowing through L2, D1, C1, C2 and R1. As soon as the charge injected into the P-N junction of D1 decreases to zero, the DSR diode abruptly stops conducting. This happens at the end of interval T2.

Because this abrupt interruption happens when non-zero reverse (negative) current flows through D1, L1, L2, C1, C2 and R1, a high voltage pulse appears across the D1 terminals due to the self-induction effect.
The rise time of this pulse is determined by inductance L1 and L2 and the reverse capacitance of D1.
The energy accumulated in L1 from the beginning of Q1’s conduction and in L2 during the D1’s reverse conduction (T2) is converted into a high electric potential appearing on the D1’s reverse capacitance.

The peak power of this pulse is approximately equal to the product of the interrupted current magnitude, determined by the impedances the associated components, and the reverse capacitance of the DSR diode D1.

In order to maximize the DSR diode effect, the forward current through the diode should be lower and of longer duration, yet the reverse current should be higher and of shorter duration.
If forward and reverse current waveforms are the same then the DSR diode stops conducting when the current through the diode is equal to zero and the DSR effect disappears.
An optimal operating point for the DSR effect occurs when the DSR diode stops conducting at the peak of its reverse current.

P.S.
L1 and L2 should be air core inductors wound with a thick wire and positioned perpendicularly and away from each other.
The capacitors should be designed for RF pulse operation.  The leads of all components should be soldered as short as possible.
 
« Last Edit: October 03, 2012, 12:46:51 AM by verpies »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #192 on: October 02, 2012, 10:28:43 PM »
Great job on that verpies, very much appreciated.

BTW a lot of the literature talks of using thyristors (SCR's) as SRD's.

I was wondering about that red device again since it is 3 terminal.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #193 on: October 02, 2012, 10:57:57 PM »
Great job on that verpies, very much appreciated.

BTW a lot of the literature talks of using thyristors (SCR's) as SRD's.

I was wondering about that red device again since it is 3 terminal.


One of those is in this replication....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvCzuC8U8EY


This post has a nice close-up of this guy's replication with the KT926 and KD203A's


http://realstrannik.ru/forum/44-freeenergylt/82460-novyj-variant-ustanovki-free-energy-dally.html?limit=18&start=1152#86168


I know someone, somewhere posted a picture of a KT926, but I can't find that; maybe it was in the kapanadze thread here - the Dally stuff started at page 929 until about 945(?)...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #194 on: October 02, 2012, 11:12:34 PM »

I think Ganzha is probably right and we are looking at a fake.

Nope, he's not and you should see wires leading to startup battery in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHBEHOOsxT4#t=0h34m50s Later that battery is disconnected.

Ones who want see faked device all the time will always find mehods to "prove" it... :)

P.S> Ganza's posts are just a waste of time in my opinion and I will ignore them from now. First he attacked our NMR yoke device then insulted many times trying to get people fighting instead of cooperating then insults in regards to Dally device. The forum Troll in other words ;) ( http://curezone.com/forums/troll.asp )

 

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