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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11828517 times)

conico

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« Reply #12120 on: February 14, 2016, 02:24:37 PM »
 Hi Itsu,
The signal up and down in the drains is caused by 28 turns and 12+12 turns coils from the yoke.
 The way you wound that coils tell me that 28 turns have influence for 12+12 turns and you have a strange signal in the drains.
Maybe you must have one coil up to another. Is just my supposition
 Have a load for 28 turns coil and see the signal in drain.

itsu

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« Reply #12121 on: February 14, 2016, 02:40:17 PM »

Hi conico,

yes, i think that is what is happening, there is some feedback (mutual inductance) from either the 28 turn or 3 turn secondary on the 2x 12 turn primaries during resonance causing this wave like drain signal.

I loaded the 28 turn secondary with a 100W/220V bulb which lit up somewhat during resonance, but still the wave like signal was seen on the drains, so i think it comes from the 3 turn secondary.

Thanks,  regards Itsu


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« Reply #12122 on: February 14, 2016, 03:43:39 PM »
  Itsu:
  Good to see you're still working hard on all of this.  I didn't know if you were still in the game.  Yes, No?  Looks more like... Yes.
 
  My inductor on the grenade also heats up, as well as the yoke. Although the fets stay fairly cool, even without fans or heatsinks.
 
   Do you find any benefit in using your home made TL circuit, compared the the ready made board that you bought through Ebay?
 As I'm still considering going that route myself, with the ready made TL board, in an effort to un-complicate things, if possible.
  I guess that there are no commercial mosfet driver circuit that can also be implemented in this case, to drive the IRFP260N?
 
   As there's been a lot of discussions about the mosfet snubber circuit, and which one to use. Is there one that you would still recommend to use along with the commercial TL board?

  As different loads can give different scope readings, and can also affect the shape of the wave forms. Maybe try some other bulbs on as well, to see if there's any difference in the wave form shape, and just how many of those bulbs it can light. Which would give some idea of the output power that those drivers can provide.

  Thanks for sharing your video, and ideas.
                                                                  NickZ
 
   

itsu

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« Reply #12123 on: February 14, 2016, 04:43:15 PM »
Hi Nick,

working on it or parts of it so now and then yes.

I just tested it with the ebay bought tl494 circuit and the signals / output are the same so it can be used too.
The duty cycle adjustment on the home made one confirms that going lower in duty cycle only worsen the signal.

I did not look into a commercial MOSFET driver circuit as these MOSFET driver chips are so easy to implement.

Concerning the snubber circuit, i would go for the RC setup as mentioned in my earlier post and use the linked website to calculate the needed R and C values.

That way the resulting resonance sine waves in the inductor and grenade are as clean as possible.

There is minimum interaction between the inductor and the grenade the way i have wound it (CCW, CW, CCW) so i don't expect to see much power transferred.
The 40W bulb is not even half way lit now.

The latest info seems to suggest that the Grenade should be wound all in the same direction, so CW, CW, CW  :o

 

Itsu

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« Reply #12124 on: February 14, 2016, 06:11:34 PM »
Dog-One,  Jeg,

that is basically the same snubber setup as in Olegs green box setup, he has only 1 resistor while you have 2, see blow up below (ignore the red circle).
I tried it but it did not work for me, i still had massive ringing (1.4MHz) when the MOSFETs shuts off.

It would be good to see if Jeg has better results

Itsu.
I have the same results with you. I mean that with allega's snubber, oscillations still exist. It is just that it cuts the first higher peak of the oscillations down to half value than without the snubber.

Your result using the snubber calculator is remarkable. I will try to do the same. Don't you think that a diode is missing from your drain? (cathode to drain anode to source)? It will ground the negative peaks as they can't be grounded through your tvs combo. I think.

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« Reply #12125 on: February 14, 2016, 06:19:21 PM »
Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-vilYPhNn4&feature=youtu.be

Regards Itsu

Hi Itsu,

I just replied to your video there:

 It seems your push-pull driver gates signal are not fast enough to close before other side opens. My suggestion would be to use Oleg's PLL push-pull circuit from http://imgbin.org/images/26553.jpg with duty cycle control so you could adjust it to have right timing. This can be adjusted on DT pin4 >resistor>VSS pin3 of 14 pin IR2184 MOSFET driver.

Cheers!

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« Reply #12126 on: February 14, 2016, 07:05:46 PM »
I just looked at your video. It looks like what d1 described earlier. Your gate opens earlier than it should. This is because it sees a negative spike at its drain. Negative spike is being produced due to the positive front of the other mosfet.  Perhaps a diode as I told you before between drain and source can help.

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« Reply #12127 on: February 14, 2016, 08:45:46 PM »
@ Itsu
Nice video ! as usual.
It seems you got an error in your setup. Your 2 x12 turns primaries look like being in bucking mode, which is wrong.
If that's the case please change direction for one of them, and your setup will perform nicely.

itsu

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« Reply #12128 on: February 14, 2016, 09:00:17 PM »
Itsu.
I have the same results with you. I mean that with allega's snubber, oscillations still exist. It is just that it cuts the first higher peak of the oscillations down to half value than without the snubber.

Your result using the snubber calculator is remarkable. I will try to do the same. Don't you think that a diode is missing from your drain? (cathode to drain anode to source)? It will ground the negative peaks as they can't be grounded through your tvs combo. I think.

Hi Jeg,

the linked website to the RC snubber only mentions the RC, so i already added the Bat 46 diode across the R.
I know what you mean by adding another diode across the drain source, but thought it would not be needed.

But i did anyway now (another bat46) from cathode to drain and anode to source (so parallel to the internal MOSFET body diode) but it did not change the signal nor the behaviour with the gate lagging the drain  :(

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I just looked at your video. It looks like what d1 described earlier. Your gate opens earlier than it should. This is because it sees a negative spike at its drain. Negative spike is being produced due to the positive front of the other mosfet.  Perhaps a diode as I told you before between drain and source can help.

i don't see that "Your gate opens earlier than it should", the scope screenshot  shows that the gate is not open yet while the drain is already on (if you know what i mean)  :)
And i don't see on the scope this "negative spike at its drain".

So somehow the drain is being activated by something else than its own gate
 
Thanks for your remarks.


Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12129 on: February 14, 2016, 09:07:25 PM »
Hi Itsu,

I just replied to your video there:

 It seems your push-pull driver gates signal are not fast enough to close before other side opens. My suggestion would be to use Oleg's PLL push-pull circuit from http://imgbin.org/images/26553.jpg with duty cycle control so you could adjust it to have right timing. This can be adjusted on DT pin4 >resistor>VSS pin3 of 14 pin IR2184 MOSFET driver.

Cheers!

T-1000,

thanks for your info, i doubt the ucc37322 is to slow, it is specified at 20ns rise/fall times which seems faster then the IR2184.
It will take major rebuilding to change it over, but i will keep it in mind if anything else fails (i don't think it will be of much influence as the resulting resonance sine waves are clean, but i just want to understand what is happening in my setup).

Not sure i understand what you are saying about the pin / chip layout (pin 14 of the IR2184?)

Itsu
 

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« Reply #12130 on: February 14, 2016, 09:08:59 PM »
Itsu, how is your drain climbs at 72v while your tvs clamps at 54v? 

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« Reply #12131 on: February 14, 2016, 09:14:35 PM »
@ Itsu
Nice video ! as usual.
It seems you got an error in your setup. Your 2 x12 turns primaries look like being in bucking mode, which is wrong.
If that's the case please change direction for one of them, and your setup will perform nicely.

Thanks skywalker66,

bucking mode, hmmm the primaries are both wound the same way (cw) does that put them in bucking mode?

And if they are in bucking mode, would that not eliminate most of the flux, rendering the secondaries almost useless?
They are certainly not useless at the moment.

I will double check on that once more,   thanks.

Itsu

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« Reply #12132 on: February 14, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »
Itsu, in addition the diode in parallel with the resistance at your snubber, is upside down compares to akula. Check this in case..

itsu

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« Reply #12133 on: February 14, 2016, 09:51:09 PM »
Itsu, how is your drain climbs at 72v while your tvs clamps at 54v?

Jeg,

good question, perhaps the answer is in the "max Clamping Voltage" specification (87V).

Itsu

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« Reply #12134 on: February 14, 2016, 10:07:33 PM »
Thanks skywalker66,

bucking mode, hmmm the primaries are both wound the same way (cw) does that put them in bucking mode?

And if they are in bucking mode, would that not eliminate most of the flux, rendering the secondaries almost useless?
They are certainly not useless at the moment.

I will double check on that once more,   thanks.

Itsu

I can't tell for sure from your video, I may misinterpreted your connections, maybe you can check this issue.
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<And if they are in bucking mode, would that not eliminate most of the flux, rendering the secondaries almost useless?>
yap ! you right.