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Author Topic: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY  (Read 11719063 times)

NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12060 on: February 09, 2016, 02:59:09 PM »
  Itsu and Hoppy:
  As mentioned, I will be ordering parts, but only when I have the full component parts list, and exact diagram to follow.
  Bite the bullet is what I have been doing, already. I'll try to uncomplicate things, when I see what really works.
  The main thing that is holding most everyone up, is that none of the circuits shown, or ideas shared have led to a self runner.
  So, which one to follow, down the same road leading to magic-less drivers, or weak running and inefficient devices.
 
  I'm still waiting to see what Geo has come up with, as he at least was showing the "effect" to a much higher degree, than I could.
What makes me hesitant still is the fact that the other guys like Ursa, Ypok, etz... have not been able to provide for anything more that just showing the "effect",  after more than a year or so.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12061 on: February 09, 2016, 03:16:27 PM »
  Itsu and Hoppy:
  As mentioned, I will be ordering parts, but only when I have the full component parts list, and exact diagram to follow.
  Bite the bullet is what I have been doing, already. I'll try to uncomplicate things, when I see what really works.
  The main thing that is holding most everyone up, is that none of the circuits shown, or ideas shared have led to a self runner.
  So, which one to follow, down the same road leading to magic-less drivers.

Nick,

There is no sense in experimenting with circuits that you firmly believe have failed. Go your own way by first understanding the basics and then by learning to construct your own circuit modules. As you progress learning, you will be able to take other peoples circuit elements and use them in your own designs. You are not going to get a detailed Janet & John guide to designing and constructing a self-runner. In fact you are most unlikely IMO to ever construct a genuine self-runner but you could learn a lot in the process of trying.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12062 on: February 09, 2016, 03:28:31 PM »
hi everyone,

I have attached a simplified one I/C version of the Sergey's inspired interrupter circuit.Circuit is  considered mine now. :)

Output of R9 to be connected to inverted mosfet driver.Input signal  to be connected to PWM generator output via resistor instead of function generator.

All TC4xxx Mosfet driver I/C are useless for any frequency which is higher than 150khz.
Only inverted IXYS Mosfet driver is suited for gate drive above 15volts max 24volts.


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The reason why i created a HV capable PWM circuit so that i will know the L/C resonance which can applied for the center frequency of 4046 PLL.

In other words we can't run away from PWM circuit during early testing stage before going into pll.

But like said i don't want to follow L/C resonance.I already did testing using Oleg PLL circuit on breadboard and it work excellent.

If i want to run PLL at 2x the frequency of the L/C resonance which means i need to divide the frequency by 2 between pin 3/4.Easy way via 4017 configured as div by 2.

I just realize my last mistake which the assembled Oleg pll was configured to lock onto 16.5khz to 37khz.

But my L/C resonance was at 14.4khz.But i wanted pll to produce x2 resonance frequency(28.8khz) for the kacher effect as was noted in the PWM circuit.

Good thing i did not disassemble the Oleg pll circuit from the mini breadboard. :)

I think our wiring to kapanadze coil is messed up.Maybe we get something from Sergey way of connecting to kapanadze coil.

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Ruslan is B.S giving lame excuses to take down his useless lame videos.
But why Akula or Dragon did not bother removing their video as well.Think about it.



 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12063 on: February 09, 2016, 04:49:35 PM »
hello you described Pll "Oleg" which one- did you start?
You throw some scheme?
"But like said i don't want to follow L/C resonance.I already did testing using Oleg PLL circuit on breadboard and it work excellent."
I got this chip SN74SL12N and I try to piece together according to the scheme Akula no unless you have another solution?
I do not know what kind of transistor ?


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12064 on: February 09, 2016, 05:59:14 PM »
hello you described Pll "Oleg" which one- did you start?
You throw some scheme?
"But like said i don't want to follow L/C resonance.I already did testing using Oleg PLL circuit on breadboard and it work excellent."
I got this chip SN74SL12N and I try to piece together according to the scheme Akula no unless you have another solution?
I do not know what kind of transistor ?

Dear Tomtech29,

The attached Akula circuit was discussed few years ago.

The circuit is incomplete if you notice carefully there is a sync "P" input" which means Akula only release 1/2 the circuit to the public to ponder.


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« Reply #12065 on: February 09, 2016, 06:14:30 PM »
  Hoppy:
  By adding ready made circuits where possible, such as the 7$ TL 494 board, etz.  I am taking someones design and incorporating into my device.  The addition of the trim pots makes it adjustable. 
  What would I gain by making a TL board myself when they are already available for cheap.  Just add the pots, like Itsu suggested, the mosfet driver chips, and new snubber circuit.
Now I understand. 
   What I still don't get is why there is no interaction from that carefully made configuration. Nor does anyone, else. 
  So, if I'm hesitant to go that route, that's the reason. Until the cause of the "effect" which is responsible for providing the extra juice, for a device become possible a self runner, is a proven fact,
   However, I'll try to un-complicate things, where possible. As I also like to choose the simplest route that works.
But,  in this case "Trial and Error", can lead to... a lot of wasted time, and money.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12066 on: February 09, 2016, 07:13:55 PM »
  Hoppy:
  By adding ready made circuits where possible, such as the 7$ TL 494 board, etz.  I am taking someones design and incorporating into my device.  The addition of the trim pots makes it adjustable. 
  What would I gain by making a TL board myself when they are already available for cheap.  Just add the pots, like Itsu suggested, the mosfet driver chips, and new snubber circuit.
Now I understand. 
   What I still don't get is why there is no interaction from that carefully made configuration. Nor does anyone, else. 
  So, if I'm hesitant to go that route, that's the reason. Until the cause of the "effect" which is responsible for providing the extra juice, for a device become possible a self runner, is a proven fact,
   However, I'll try to un-complicate things, where possible. As I also like to choose the simplest route that works.
But,  in this case "Trial and Error", can lead to... a lot of wasted time, and money.

Nick,

Its OK to use a ready made PWM module for integrating into a full driver circuit, so long as you understand the functions of the module and how it should be interconnected. However, its the understanding of what a circuit is doing, its functions, that's important, if you intend to 'un-complicate things' as you put it. Until you have a good functional understanding, you cannot know whether any given circuit is too complicated for its purpose. Trial and error is minimised through knowledge. To wait until the cause of the effect responsible for self-running is proven by others, suggests to me that you lack confidence to seek it yourself by experiment through going down the route of improving your knowledge and build skills through building your own circuits, rather than by just rather blindly cobbling modules together.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12067 on: February 09, 2016, 08:07:08 PM »
  Hoppy:
  You are suggesting that I do what you are not willing to do. Therefore, you're not being very convincing.
  I am already considering uncomplicating things by going the TL board route. Instead of building my own. Something wrong with that?
  I am not an electrical engineer, nor chose to be one.  I am an electroinics assembler, at least I was one previously. And I can build up any device made. However I don't design them, nor want to, as that is not my forte. I'll leave that to Akula, Oleg, etz...
  The Mazilli/yoke/grenade tests were already a learning experience, that yielded no extra energy out than in, so far. Other than learning and observing what does not work. I'm not the only one waiting for further proof of concept.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12068 on: February 09, 2016, 08:48:39 PM »
Aint it suppose to be 1/4 wave and that Atom chap was on about 5th harmonic if you recall his comments with DOG, just an idea.

ALSO WATCH THIS ALL THREE OF THEM !!!!!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDRaCTVO67w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLirOvTSLYA

AG, interesting information about this 432Hz but I don't believe that Ruslan Akula or Dally case has anything to do with special frequencies. Thanks anyway

Ps. I located some tc4429. It might be an answer for replacing ucc27321. Only drawback is that it provides 6A output peak current instead of 9A that 27321 gives. I hope it would be adequate for very thin pulses at the input of irfp460 mosfet. 

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12069 on: February 09, 2016, 10:57:21 PM »
  Hoppy:
  You are suggesting that I do what you are not willing to do. Therefore, you're not being very convincing.
 

Nick,

If I was convinced that Ruslan's and Akula's devices were genuine self-runners, then I would still be willing to continue experimentation and probably come across more convincing to you.

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« Reply #12070 on: February 09, 2016, 11:01:03 PM »
Anybody ,who understand the electronics - , I have a question- do we really need that mosfet gate driver?  Why not to connect SG directly to the Mosfet's gate? What extra actually that gate driver offers?  Is it some sort of Smith trigger making clean and sharp signal?  Or is there something else? Protection? The price of driver is comparable with my inexpensive AD9850, which has quite nice and sharp output.  Actually 2 outputs of square waves in 180 deg phase - so one output to one gate and the other output to the gate of the 2nd mosfet? 

Please comment ;)

Adit1: Nick, Ruslan on his YouTube channel posted two Romanov's movies ;)  Romanov there express his wonder, why people doesn't get extra energy from basic two Tesla coils (Emitter-Receiver) and he speaks there what should be done to get that effect ;) - I know how much you like Romanov- Just wanted to let you know ;)

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« Reply #12071 on: February 09, 2016, 11:04:26 PM »
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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #12072 on: February 09, 2016, 11:59:30 PM »
Anybody ,who understand the electronics - , I have a question- do we really need that mosfet gate driver?  Why not to connect SG directly to the Mosfet's gate? What extra actually that gate driver offers?  Is it some sort of Smith trigger making clean and sharp signal?  Or is there something else? Protection? The price of driver is comparable with my inexpensive AD9850, which has quite nice and sharp output.  Actually 2 outputs of square waves in 180 deg phase - so one output to one gate and the other output to the gate of the 2nd mosfet? 

To get a MOSFET (switch) to flip quickly and efficiently (without heat build-up), you need considerable current on the gate to overcome the internal capacitance.  At low frequencies, below a couple kHz, it isn't really necessary to have a gate driver since you aren't switching that many times per second and the MOSFET can dissipate the heat.  Once you go above a few kHz, the MOSFET really begins to generate considerable heat with slow (low current) gate drive.  If you continue to push the frequency into the MHz range, the MOSFET will simply melt down as it will be spending most of its time in the transition level between being fully on and fully off.

Bottom line is:  The MOSFET gate acts like a capacitor to the input signal and with that has a capacitive ramp-up.  A MOSFET really isn't designed to run partially turned on or off like a bipolar transistor.  It needs to be on or off; anything else and it is a very inefficient piece of silicon.  If you look at the schematic symbol of a MOSFET, you will see there is no direct connection between the gate and the drain or source.  It's a plate, just like a capacitor symbol.  That's not by accident.  That's truly how it is working inside.

For this application where most of us are running between 8 and 30 kHz, it's just smart to use a gate driver.  So when you find a gate driver to put in front of the MOSFET, look at the peak amperage the gate driver can supply without blowing up, then use ohms law to calculate what size resistor will limit the current to that value or slightly lower and place the resistor between the output of the gate driver and the gate of the MOSFET.  That's all it takes and you should be good to go.


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« Reply #12073 on: February 09, 2016, 11:59:59 PM »
Why not to connect SG directly to the Mosfet's gate?

SG doesn;t have enough output peak current to charge the capacity at mosfet's gate input quickly. So there are limitations at the fully on/off speed.

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« Reply #12074 on: February 10, 2016, 12:00:55 AM »
I have a question- do we really need that mosfet gate driver? 
For low frequencies and slow rise times - no if the driving signal has greater voltage than the VGS_th.

Why not to connect SG directly to the Mosfet's gate?
You can connect the SG directly to the MOSFET's gate if the SG peak output voltage exceeds VGS_th of your MOSFET.
But don't count on the SG being able to charge the MOSFET's gate quickly or rapidly.

What extra actually that gate driver offers?
Gate voltage up to 20V and gate charging current from 3A to 15A.
The high current is needed to charge and discharge the gate quickly because the gate is a 1nF to 10nF capacitor.
While the MOSFET is switching (is "in-between" ON and OFF) it dissipates a lot of heat so it is advantageous to minimize the "in-between" time as much as possible.

A 10mA current will charge a 10nF capacitance to 10V VGS_th in 50μs which is enough for a 10kHz triangular wave, but not for a 10kHz square wave.

Is it some sort of Smith trigger making clean and sharp signal?
That, too but it is a minor reason.
The other more important reasons being: voltage level shifting and sometimes signal inversion.

The price of driver is comparable with my inexpensive AD9850, which has quite nice and sharp output.  Actually 2 outputs of square waves in 180 deg phase - so one output to one gate and the other output to the gate of the 2nd mosfet? 
180º will not give you the dead time and as a consequence the 2 MOSFETs in a push-pull driver will be both ON for a short time creating a periodic short-circuit that will burn up your MOSFETs.  A push-pull controller like the TL494 chip provides 2 outputs with an adjustable dead-time between them so that does not happen.

You can try it for an educational experience.  If you have a scope, monitor the signal between the MOSFET's gate and source terminal and see what happens as you increase the driving frequency.