Author Topic: The Gabriel Device, possible COP=8 (Read 697584 times)

forest · « **Reply #120 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:20:48 AM »

Dear OU
Greetings.My device http://www.google.com/patents?id=-ntZAAAAEBAJ&pg=PP1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false
COP related to shield reluctance and input current.

N. Tesla

kampen · « **Reply #121 on:** March 26, 2011, 12:16:55 PM »

@ All,

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Pooling can save us a lot of money on shipping/handling fees and on taxes.

I can collect/handle all European orders and then make one volume purchase order to L&S Industries, so we can get this cheaper if he sets it up for all interested at the same time and item cost (price is quantity dependent).

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Hope this will be any help, let me know.
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SkyWatcher123 · « **Reply #122 on:** March 26, 2011, 01:04:52 PM »

Hi folks, read the whole thread so far, looks promising.
I'm going to build a very small test setup using steel craft wire for the primary shell and ferrite inner toroid, just for fun, we'll see what happens.

Also, I thought about the secondary and its flux field when powering a load.

Since the primary input decreases and the coils are wound the same direction, maybe this is acting like a motor with magnets.

Meaning the secondaries loaded induced flux field is creating a strong enough repulsion zone at the steel primary shell to cause voltage cancellation and reduction in input current, yet at the same time a balance is occurring.
Maybe similar to how two like polarity magnets can attract a piece of iron. Though in the gabriel device, if the primary shell is over saturated by the secondary load flux, then it starts to cause increase of input.
just a few thoughts. Thanks mav, hope this thing pans out.
peace love light
Tyson

TheCell · « **Reply #123 on:** March 26, 2011, 06:19:59 PM »

I am looking for that steel donut here in Germany or UK (because of the tax). any links ?

Feynman · « **Reply #124 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:36:48 PM »

@all

I spoke to a good friend of mine, and he agrees that there is around 50/50 chance this device works overunity vs a kilo-watt meter measurement error. So we'll have to test more to see.

The measurement error, if it occurs, i likely because the kil-o-watt meter may be tricked by the inductive reactance of the primary. My friend with the suggestions posted here, he agrees that putting the proper value capacitor , in parallel , across the primary coil inputs will solve the problem (bring the voltage / current phase to zero offset in both heating element resistor and the primary). Then the Kill-O-Watt meter will not be tricked no matter what if we do this.

So next step I think is replications and measurements of the voltage drop and the resistance of the 'toaster' (or whatever other current limiting device is used) in series with the primary. This will let us calculate a proper value for the capacitor c, then we can order one from Digikey and put it across the primary to make sure we are not having measurement error.

Another way to test this (exclude measurement error from inductive reactance) is turn off everything in your house except one circuit breaker, and run the device by itself , and run the device powering loads for a period of time (say 60seconds or 120seconds or whatever).. Then measure the energy consuming on the meter to the power company.

This will exclude the possibility of inductive reactance , and if it does , then we likely have true overunity .

forest · « **Reply #125 on:** March 26, 2011, 07:47:20 PM »

I don't get it.Why not use DC-AC inverter ? Start from 12V battery, measure DC amperage going into inverter . 300W inverter would be good,right ?

the_big_m_in_ok · « **Reply #126 on:** March 26, 2011, 09:40:40 PM »

Quote from: forest on March 26, 2011, 07:47:20 PM

I don't get it.Why not use DC-AC inverter ? Start from 12V battery, measure DC amperage going into inverter . 300W inverter would be good,right ?

@forest
Do you mean instead of using the power co. mains wall socket, use an inverter instead?

If so, I have an automobile powered inverter that takes input from a 12VDC battery (150W). The outlet would be replaced by the inverter, a battery added to the left to power it, and a set of polarity-conscious diodes to the battery terminals from the output of the Gabriel Device.

Was that what you had in mind?

--Lee

forest · « **Reply #127 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:06:56 PM »

I had in my mind the way to get rid of power socket by any good sinewave inverter.

Sorry,if that's not possible, I just saw that a natural experiment.
Good inverters have also current limiting breakers.Output should go to transformer and to load. Load and transformer in parallel. then measure output voltage after transformer. It should be 12 V. Transformer rated 80W at least.
If output is fluctuacting above 12V add varistor and a voltage regulator circuit.
When you got steady 12V 80W you know what next...

e2matrix · « **Reply #128 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:27:49 PM »

Yes if this is anywhere close to COP of 8 it should be easy to loop with an inverter and an efficient charger. See Groundloops charger around here. A small inverter can be purchased for under $20. Just having an inverter and a 12 volt battery would even make it easy to verify what power we have with this. And it would eliminate the need for the toaster as a small inverter may only have around 100 watts output. Here's one from Walmart for $17.88 : (handy to have one of these anyway)
140 continuous watts
280 peak watts
USB port
LED lights
120V AC outlet
Built-in safety features
Fused overload protection
Low battery voltage shutdown
High temperature shutdown

Sales pitch over

At COP of 8 you might even get away with looping by plugging in a standard trickle charger to the inverter while powering a couple lights.

cubalibre · « **Reply #129 on:** March 26, 2011, 10:31:54 PM »

@ the cell

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Magluvin · « **Reply #130 on:** March 26, 2011, 11:11:31 PM »

Quote from: forest on March 26, 2011, 10:06:56 PM

I had in my mind the way to get rid of power socket by any good sinewave inverter. Sorry,if that's not possible, I just saw that a natural experiment.
Good inverters have also current limiting breakers.Output should go to transformer and to load. Load and transformer in parallel. then measure output voltage after transformer. It should be 12 V. Transformer rated 80W at least.
If output is fluctuacting above 12V add varistor and a voltage regulator circuit.
When you got steady 12V 80W you know what next...

This is a good idea as said above also. The inverter output will have to at least be able to handle the primary idle current. Then on the output an eff pulse mode charger to charge a 12v bat or large cap, that can feed the inverter input.
Being if we have a quality charger, the cap should not runaway. ;]

Mags

powercat · « **Reply #131 on:** March 27, 2011, 12:29:22 AM »

You probably all know this

, cheap inverters are modified sine wave, expensive inverters are pure sine wave,
the same type of output as the grid.
I thought it was Paul "Goat" Reply#68 that came up with this idea,
anyway very good to see you back Feynman it's been a long long time, loving this thread.
All the best

Mavendex · « **Reply #132 on:** March 27, 2011, 01:42:04 AM »

well bleh I broke the decoupling too much of the secondary is exposed and its acting like a normal transformer now, good news tho I got the toaster to only use .9 amps ..... I guess that's good news

so when you guys get the shell don't expose the secondary cause it will cause the magnetic flux to go to the wires instead of the nanoperm.

Cut too much out of the center unfortunately.

That faraday cage Idea is spot on correct tho.

Mav

FatBird · « **Reply #133 on:** March 27, 2011, 03:04:39 AM »

e2Matrix said: Yes if this is anywhere close to COP of 8 it should be easy to loop with an inverter and an efficient charger. See Groundloops charger around here. A small inverter can be purchased for under $20. Just having an inverter and a 12 volt battery would even make it easy to verify what power we have with this. And it would eliminate the need for the toaster as a small inverter may only have around 100 watts output. Here's one from Walmart for $17.88 : (handy to have one of these anyway)

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I agree with you about using a cheap inverter. Even though a cheap inverter running off a 12V battery doesn't output a pure sinewave, it will still do the job.

1. Measure the power the Inverter takes from the battery to run the Gabriel Device with a Load attached.
2. Measure the power consumed by the load (preferably non-inductive light bulbs).
3. Calculate the Overunity Value.

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Mavendex · « **Reply #134 on:** March 27, 2011, 04:07:45 AM »

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