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b_rads

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #360 on: March 29, 2011, 02:06:45 AM »
What relation does electricity have, compared to temp.? 
What is temperature/heat? 
How are we using that to our advantage with the crystals?  (I already may have shared that with the "doink" push of the crystals)

And finally -- If all of these do have a relation to one another, then why are we adding Magnesium to the crystal structure?
Romo
I feel like we are very close in our thinking, possibly I have not expressed myself very well.  I would like a better understanding of where you think we differ.
I think the better question would be "What relationship does energy have,-compared to temp?"
If you have not already looked at this, you might find it very interesting.
http://frankgermano.net/svp.htm
I do subscribe to your "doink" principle.
Great pictures, you are to be commended for your openness and sharing, Thanks
This is going to be a fun and interesting journey and I look forward to everyone sharing their results.
Brad S.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #361 on: March 29, 2011, 03:38:36 AM »
I could not find any on taobao, but I did find some on aliexpress.

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/386739037-wholesale-3pcs-lot-Mist-Maker-Fogger-20mm-Ceramic-Disc-ceramic-disk-Replacement-bit-free-shipping-wholesalers.html

They are 20mm, but they dont say for DK-3. I dont know if they are the same or not. They are 20mm, but there are other 20mm discs on the http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html site that they state are only for certain other misters.

I sent Mainlandmart an email to get some more specs on the K006 replacement discs.

I received this response from Mainlandmart:

   Hello Rick,
 
   The frequency for our mist makers is 1.72 MHz.

   Best Regards
   Mico Inc.
   Tel:626-258-2928

   --- On Sun, 3/27/11, Rick wrote:

   From: Rick
   Subject: Item K006 20mm replacement discs
   To: mainlandmart@yahoo.com
   Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 10:36 AM
   What frequency do the K006 replacement discs operate?
 
   Thanks,
 
   Rick

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #362 on: March 30, 2011, 12:56:32 AM »
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Allright, so funny story.  I slept last night with my computer on -- I crashed before I posted this, so my bad on the late post.  In an odd turn of events, when I woke up this morning, I poked around a little bit, and found this little bit:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pssa.2210160149/abstract?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+2nd+Apr+from+10-12+BST+for+monthly+maintenance

It's cool, because this was one of the first articles I looked at this morning, and it seemed to deposit lead crystals in thin films.  Timing, in letting the solution sit, would determine the length the crystal film deposited.

Lead oxide:
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=5093446
Describes lead oxide crystals grown by sodium hydroxide, at high pressure, using "hydrothermal techniques".  So, they're using some kind of "hot water" techniqe to deposit the lead.  This is straight from the summary -- at the very least, this is a way to get information about potential production methods.

Seems to be a similar "wet/liquid" deposit-ing techniqe.

This is the secondary process seems much easier, and I am currently investigating what would be a solution which would make either (lead sulphide/oxide) dissolveable.  I am investigating this, in hopes that you will contribute a little more information where I am missing it about the general guidelines of the procedure.  If not, I understand that you do not wish to disclose information before we are ready to work with it.
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I am only sharing what I know, and my speculations about the upcomming project.
That is just it -- speculations so far.  I hope this informs you, or gets you to think a little bit about this stuff.  I definitely think it is worth it to at least invent the time to consider it as a possibillity.

The tangent: Epitaxial Lead Sulfide crystal Photovoltaic:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&biw=1280&bih=614&prmdo=1&q=epitaxial+lead+sulfide+crystal+photovoltaic&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epitaxy

Quote from:
Epitaxy refers to the method of depositing a monocrystalline film on a monocrystalline substrate. The deposited film is denoted as epitaxial film or epitaxial layer. The term epitaxy comes from the Greek roots epi, meaning "above", and taxis, meaning "in ordered manner". It can be translated "to arrange upon".

Epitaxial films may be grown from gaseous or liquid precursors. Because the substrate acts as a seed crystal, the deposited film takes on a lattice structure and orientation identical to those of the substrate. This is different from other thin-film deposition methods which deposit polycrystalline or amorphous films, even on single-crystal substrates. If a film is deposited on a substrate of the same composition, the process is called homoepitaxy; otherwise it is called heteroepitaxy.

From this, we'd need to lay down very thin layers of the lead sulphide to grow the microcrystals.  I would assume that we would calculate the size of crystals by the timing of the vapor.

Powerme, How do you calculate the exact size of the crystal?  I understand that smaller crystal resonates at a faster frequency -- but I do not know how to calculate what frequency a crystal will resonate at, given its size.  Is this a function of its geometry(crystal shape?), or atomic makeup (matierals used)?  At the very least, where can I find this kind of information?

As a note I know lead sulphide can be cross-searched, near interchange-ably with "galena".  This is probably what tesla might have played with this "back in his day".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galena
Quote from:
Galena is a semiconductor with a small bandgap of about 0.4 eV which found use in early wireless communication systems. For example, it was used as the crystal in crystal radio sets, in which it was used as a point-contact diode to detect the radio signals. The galena crystal was used with a safety pin or similar sharp wire, which was known as a "cat's whisker".

the "small bandgap" is describing a property of lead to "resonate at a wide range of frequencies"

What I find interesting, is that you mention using different chemicals interchangeably to create the same effect. 
I have seen a lot of papers on Zinc oxide, and Zinc sulphide -- effectively in thin crystal layers, which are also photoelectric.  I note this, because we are using similar crystals for pizeo-electrics.  What properties of the

"Natural lead = galena"
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1951AuSRA...4..569L

This page is also very interesting.  It gave me a little more information about "the cat's whisker".  Also, it reviews thermo-electric efffect (think about the wavelength -- Infa-red).

"This is not taught in school" -- I asked some professors, and they actually did not help me with even finding useful tangents, or information about this stuff.  Whatever it is -- books, and internet have been my two sources so far in investigating what I could.

A treatise on chemistry tells a little bit about the preperation of Lead oxide and Lead sulphate -- neither appear to be in crystaline form, and were described to be a byproduct/waste.  Otherwise, some different ways to manapulate the lead industrially.
Lead oxide (pg 284), grew in crystaline form on the positive anode due to a galvanic current. 
I am not sure if this is actually "growing" a crystal, or if it is electroplating the lead form in the solution.

"this knowledge is not new nor exotic, Photovoltaic effect of Lead Sulfide was first disclosed in 1904"

When I look at how we would produce lead oxide, or sulphide "today" --
http://pubs.rsc.org/en/Content/ArticleLanding/2010/CC/b926176a

Lead sulphide:
http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/38/12/023
Basically is teling us the same thing -- lead sulphide is photo-voltaic.

This patent was one of the most informative:
http://www.google.com/patents?hl=en&lr=&vid=USPAT3716424&id=EqU4AAAAEBAJ&oi=fnd&dq=lead+sulphide+photovoltaic&printsec=abstract#v=onepage&q&f=false

In a nutshell -- I've posted the most useful links I've found -- overall, from what I have gleaned from all these processes -- in order to finely control the growth of the crystals -- I think I'd have to control the ammount of vapor, to control the size of the crystaline film over the stuff I was growing it on.

This would be the option with a bunch of fancy equipment -- and I've got a hunch there is an easier way.

This post is winding down, and Hence I have my questions about the process.  We need lead, sulphur, and some way to deposit it.  If I could not purchase sulphur -- it is present in the air, or the seawater -- I could extract it myself if I had to.

I noted this about nitrogen/ammonia -- if I could not, for whatever reasons, get my hands on the stuff -- I might be able extract nitrogen from the air with a semi-permiable membrane, and store it with a small air compressor, and make ammonium myself.

I have recenly begun to look at things around me, for all of the potential uses they could have -- or walk through a junkyard and look at all the golden peices I can find for various projects.  It is effectively, looking for the ways in which the objects/parts are useful to me.

I don't have a vacuum chamber, or the vapor-depositive facillities available but could investigate this, if you were to say what we will need.  I am looking to work now, for it to pay off later.  Thank you for your help powerme.

==Romo

Thoughts anyone?  Any ideas, aside from the two procedure types?  How could you be making these things yourself? :)

Hope this gets the wheels turning in the right direction.

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Archived Files Update
« Reply #363 on: March 30, 2011, 03:06:05 AM »
I'm working on some new files for everyone. The pdf file compiled from all the
Power1 entries on OU got pretty big and cumbersome to be a useful document
anymore. It's still readable, but it's so big that it's hard to find the
master's stuff. There's just to much interference in there, so I decided to
make an easier version for myself and I will share it with everyone when it's
done. The new version will be comprised of all the threads dealing with Power1
information and broken into three distinct documents. The first will be a
compilation of all of Power 1's posts dealing with his device. The second will
deal with all Power1's post dealing with higher self and learning. The third,
will be a compilation of all of Romo's posts dealing with the Power1 device.
Romo is a very enthusiastic player and has added a lot of information that is
very interesting and useful to this project. Anyway, I just wanted to give you
a heads up. I'm still here but working on other things including this Power1
project.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #364 on: March 30, 2011, 05:51:33 AM »
Hey Guys,

I ordered a CDI for my car with E3 plugs and eventually will make the krupa plugs.  I want to set that up and put just fogger transducers in a tank and pipe the fog by the exhaust to make steam and inject that into the motor to burn.
I did a bench experiment with plasma ignition awhile back.  Where I took a dirt devil steam cleaner and sprayed it over a modified spark plug.  The vapor would actually flare up and burn blue and orange in color.  The spark was so intense I eyes felt flash burned after word.  I am thinking I will explore this route and let you guys know.  Romo I am thinking you will continue working with different frequencies especially the lower ones which are said to separate water more efficiently and not damage crystals as quickly.  So I will have this system ready in case there is something you think of that you would like to test out.  I have heard just this system is 30 to 40% gains in mileage.  I need at least a good starting point way to save money for now and keep improving from there.  Thanks Solvenia for all your time in documenting!  Thank you power to be for your generosity.  I look forward to working with everyone here on this project and am still here even though I dont post all that often.

Chris

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #365 on: March 31, 2011, 01:38:18 AM »
@all
Food for thought – trying to figure out what material to affix your crystals to and your acoustic chamber – check out these two links and try to understand.
http://web.mit.edu/nanophotonics/projects/Dissertation_Shu.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance
Brad S

Edit - Ooops
I forgot to mention that these two links support Slovenia's idea of the egg shape acoustic horn. 
« Last Edit: March 31, 2011, 03:17:20 AM by b_rads »

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« Reply #366 on: March 31, 2011, 02:27:32 AM »
Thanks for sharing this Brad.

@all
Food for thought – trying to figure out what material to affix your crystals to and your acoustic chamber – check out these two links and try to understand.
http://web.mit.edu/nanophotonics/projects/Dissertation_Shu.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmholtz_resonance
Brad S

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(Power1 BOOK) A Treatise on Electricity & Magnetism by James Clerk Maxwell
« Reply #367 on: March 31, 2011, 03:35:52 AM »
 A Treatise on Electricity & Magnetism by James Clerk Maxwell

I've been trying to wade through this recommended book of Power To Be.  It's a very good book with a lot of good stuff in it, but it's not like reading mystery who done it.  It's very serious in depth stuff that takes a lot of mulling around to get the gist of what is being said so you can start to make sense of it in your own mind.  Those guys in the 19 century were not idiots at all.  There's some very heavy duty principles being dealt with in that book.  From what I understand, there are some truths in this book that we need to understand to help us in the Power To Be Project.

Anyway, Power To Be said he can read 1000 words per minute and that's a lot of words for sure.  I speed read too but not that fast and this stuff is hard for me to speed read and get any level of comprehension that I'm aware of.  I do know that I've read all the Power To Be posts and dream think of them now and they are starting to flow together a lot better than they did when I was just reading and looking at them during the day.  This dream study is pretty interesting.  From what I gather, you can focus at the center of each page you are trying to read and turn the pages about every one to two seconds.  You have to be in a relaxed frame of mind.  So far, this method may put the information into my computer, but I'm so far unable to extract it.

Am I understanding this correctly Power To Be & Romo?  Thanks in advance.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2011, 11:52:21 AM by Slovenia »

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #368 on: March 31, 2011, 03:38:05 AM »
Thank you all for your continued efforts.

RAD,
You can oscillate those low cost transducers at your desired frequency. Please translate your search phrase to Chinese and search on taobao, you  can find many transducers there, some already tuned to our desired frequency. You can also find toroid and many other things there at low cost.

Superman,
Atomize your gasoline as well, someone is doing this with 200+ mpg

Romo,
I am trying hard to show you the way, I applaud your efforts but please learn to see with sincerity. Heat and brute force DC are medium paced waves that are wasteful, observe well and you will see. All matters observes the same law, control the binding force and elements will separate freely. Pay attention to your frequency, PbS lattices is best constructed cold.

I must not share the knowledge of Nature as One must earn their passage by learning to understanding. Entire populace were reduced before us due to ignorant inheritance and misuse of the great force.

@All,
There's free ebooks on Lucid Dream, the easiest way to your higher self. Many years ago, when I started to transform my reality, it starts with your physical body. I jog for miles in the early mornings when the dew is abundant, push yourself further and progress daily and you will be grown wiser with the life force. Your manifestation will be enhanced greatly. The breath will come to you naturally, break through the limiting barrier and the rest will be easy. Your body needs Natural elements to oscillate and tune to the Higher Realm.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #369 on: March 31, 2011, 04:09:44 AM »
Hi The Power to Be,

Lucid dreams are a great source of inspiration and learning when mulling over a problem. I won't go into it here let's just say way back in high school I had a lot of time to practice. Dream it, Think it through, then Build it.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #370 on: March 31, 2011, 05:33:49 AM »
Hi The Power to Be,

Lucid dreams are a great source of inspiration and learning when mulling over a problem. I won't go into it here let's just say way back in high school I had a lot of time to practice. Dream it, Think it through, then Build it.

Dreamthink,
Please do share your experience with us if you have the time. Tesla always visualize his creations in Dream like state, perfecting all components and their operations before he lays hand into physical creations. It is a very useful process, I at times also call in help from prior memories in learning the properties and working of things.

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Hey Slovenia,
Maxwell had only theorized Henry Cavendish's work, knowledge of the 18th century that was further adulterated and legalized causing our  current Reverse of wisdom as some have called  calls us the lost generations. My way of self learning is by speed reading, funny that I would finish a book and wait patiently for the mortal mind to finish absorption. I only pick out what makes sense.  There is a lot of dis-information and you need to avoid parroting.

The only way to understanding nature is to replicate those old experiments from the old books, wind many different coils, use many different elements, create effects such as ionization, high  electric winds with different geometries, spheres, needles, tubes etc. and observe the result. Transmute elements with chemistry, learn how oscillating waves governs the state of matters.

Nature is the opposite of what is taught, phases of elements such as Zinc and Lead are most occult kept secrecy, but one can easily learn by mere observation. There is no Law in Nature, what we use today in modern electronics are really stone age technology, entire circuits can be build easily at home just by controlling the phases of matters, complex nano structures and alloys are not so complex at all. But what is worse is that these enormous energy machine are also highly destructive un-creation  machines.


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@All
Ormus is an easy way of harvesting life force elements, use morning dew as your base but know that your extracted ormus must be purified by plants or better, fill and cap a half full glass bottle and place it in the ground. After many moons, you will find transmuted crystals that has been prepared all by Nature that is good for hum-man consumption.

Please see energy for what it really is, forget photon and the other jargons.

Good luck and have a nice day.

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A Treatise on Electricity & Magnetism by James Clerk Maxwell

I've been trying to wade through this recommended book of Power To Be.  It's a very good book with a lot of good stuff in it, but it's not like reading mystery who done it.  It's very serious in depth stuff that takes a lot of mulling around to get the gist of what is being said so you can start to make sense of it in your own mind.  Those guys in the 19 century were not idiots at all.  There's some very heavy duty principles being dealt with in that book.  From what I understand, there are some truths in this book that we need to understand to help us in the Power To Be Project.

Anyway, Power To Be said he can read 1000 words per minute and that's a lot of words for sure.  I speed read to but not that fast and this stuff is hard for me to speed read and get any level of comprehension that I'm aware of.  I do know that I've read all the Power To Be posts and dream think of them now and they are starting to flow together a lot better than they did when I was just reading and looking at them during the day.  This dream study is pretty interesting.  From what I gather, you can focus at the center of each page you are trying to read and turn the pages about every one to two seconds.  You have to be in a relaxed frame of mind.  So far, this method may put the information into my computer, but I'm so far unable to extract it.

Am I understanding this correctly Power To Be & Romo?  Thanks in advance.

This writing of Maxwell is an excellent hypothesis and gets you to think deeply about magnetics and how it might work.  However if you sift and filter through by setting aside all of the extreme mathematics and analyze the individual steps and assumptions during the thought process, that he puts math to, it is experimentally unproven and unsupported in some instances in my opinion. 

To his credit, he is really trying to understand how magnetics operate and wrote a very complex and elaborate paper to support his hypothesis with mathematics.

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Re: power1 to be in me - recommended book
« Reply #372 on: March 31, 2011, 11:19:29 AM »
A Treatise on Electricity & Magnetism by James Clerk Maxwell ....

According to the posting:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7365-discussion-best-way-use-heat-hho-generate-electricity-2.html#post130120
the recommended book is not by Maxwell (who wrote a book with a similar title), but by George Carey Foster, Jules François Joubert, Edmund Atkinson. The recommended book is this one:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pvQ4AAAAMAAJ&q=Edmund+Atkinson&dq=Edmund+Atkinson

I can not read it on google, as I don't have a user-profile. So if anyone can upload it here or to some other file sharing service, please feel free ...
« Last Edit: March 31, 2011, 11:56:20 AM by oscar »

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Thanks Power To Be!!
« Reply #373 on: March 31, 2011, 11:58:05 AM »
Thanks Power To Be!!  There's a lot of wonderful information in your post.


Thank you all for your continued efforts.

RAD,
You can oscillate those low cost transducers at your desired frequency. Please translate your search phrase to Chinese and search on taobao, you  can find many transducers there, some already tuned to our desired frequency. You can also find toroid and many other things there at low cost.

Superman,
Atomize your gasoline as well, someone is doing this with 200+ mpg

Romo,
I am trying hard to show you the way, I applaud your efforts but please learn to see with sincerity. Heat and brute force DC are medium paced waves that are wasteful, observe well and you will see. All matters observes the same law, control the binding force and elements will separate freely. Pay attention to your frequency, PbS lattices is best constructed cold.

I must not share the knowledge of Nature as One must earn their passage by learning to understanding. Entire populace were reduced before us due to ignorant inheritance and misuse of the great force.

@All,
There's free ebooks on Lucid Dream, the easiest way to your higher self. Many years ago, when I started to transform my reality, it starts with your physical body. I jog for miles in the early mornings when the dew is abundant, push yourself further and progress daily and you will be grown wiser with the life force. Your manifestation will be enhanced greatly. The breath will come to you naturally, break through the limiting barrier and the rest will be easy. Your body needs Natural elements to oscillate and tune to the Higher Realm.

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Re: power1 to be in me - recommended book
« Reply #374 on: March 31, 2011, 12:05:18 PM »
Thanks Oscar.  I have both the book you name and the other one.  There were four books that Power To Be recommended and I was under the impression the James Clerk Maxwell book was one of them too.  The book you mentioned was definitely one he said to read too.  Maybe I made an error there.  Thanks for sharing with me.  Send me your e-mail in a pm and I'll glad you send you the book you request.

Thanks again for helping out!!


According to the posting:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7365-discussion-best-way-use-heat-hho-generate-electricity-2.html#post130120
the recommended book is not by Maxwell (who wrote a book with a similar title), but by George Carey Foster, Jules François Joubert, Edmund Atkinson. The recommended book is this one:

http://books.google.com/books?id=pvQ4AAAAMAAJ&q=Edmund+Atkinson&dq=Edmund+Atkinson

I can not read it on google, as I don't have a user-profile. So if anyone can upload it here or to some other file sharing service, please feel free ...