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Offline prometheus_effect

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The Prometheus Game
« on: April 08, 2005, 06:11:12 AM »
Hi All,

Over Unity / Free Energy / ZPE whatever. We all are interested in seeing something come to the market and effect our world in a positive way. But how can our desire to help and our desire to make a buck work together? I suggest anyone interested in this topic to read and comment on the following way forward:

The Prometheus Game

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The Prometheus Game
« on: April 08, 2005, 06:11:12 AM »

Offline TechStuf

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2005, 06:43:44 AM »
To me they represent the 'common dipole' of the human heart.  True selflessness represents one polarity and wanting to make a buck....the opposite. 

It is clear to me that only the truly selfless....with no thoughts wasted in consideration of 'making a buck' at all, may prevail.

For it is not the work of human hands that is guiding and disseminating pivotal concepts such as these.

Solving the worlds problems is, in perspective, an easy task.....

As easy as curing the widespread love of money, power, and wanting to 'fit in' at any cost.



What would anyone gifted with the prospect of lifting many of the world's burdens want with 'money'?


True love benefits all and is it's own reward.


Peace,

TS out


















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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2005, 05:00:23 PM »
   Thank you Prometheus, that has been one of the best piece of reading I have had in a long time.
I parallel it 100%. To give the gift to the world, you will have riches beyond your wildest dreams. A
gift from the heart can have no monetary value.

Sugra

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2005, 05:00:23 PM »
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PaulLowrance

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2005, 11:47:05 PM »
I'm sorry to sound bold, but this is one topic that really gets me going.  To me, it's like saying to a women who's about to fall off a cliff, "Gee, how can I save this women and make some money!"  This world is in a heap of trouble.  I get emails from people how their country is buring down the forests just to heat homes.  Global warming is now a fact.  The Artic ice caps are melting and breaking off at an alarming rate.  Ice shelf?s the size of a state are breaking off from the Larsen and Ross ice shelf.  Pollution is terrible.  The price of oil is rising to dangerous levels.  It's said that the U.S. will have a great depression if gasoline continues to rise.  If the U.S. has a great depression, then the entire world will follow.  As countries stress out, tensions continue to heat up between countries, then wars and world war will break out.

For the most part I agree with that article with the exception of option 4.  Anyone can duplicate your machine if it's not overly difficult.  You need detailed instructions and an exact parts list and where you bought the parts.  Personally I recommend doing both options 4 and 5.

There have been so many people who've tried to make a fortune from their free energy machine.  Lutec is just the most recent.  I bet any amount that Lutec will not make it.  For some reason, something always happens.  When I design a free energy machine, I'm not wasting a nano second.  The world will get the exact detailed designs, part list, everything.  Anyone can make and sell them as they please.  If I make a fortune selling them to companies and homes then great.  I know a lot of companies will pay good money to get free source of power.  Disneyland alone would pay millions.  They won't have time to build one since time is money to them.  Who better to trust than the inventor of the machine?!  Such a person would get the Nobel prize.  Hollywood would be begging to make a movie on the person who invented a real free energy machine.  Toy companies would want to market toys after their world hero.  The possibilities are limitless and only limited by you.  Personally I'm not going to be greedy and hog all the sales to myself.  Out of 500 million homes and who knows how many companies, there's plenty of room for everyone.

The best part I see here in this thread is the prize of selflessness.

My two cents, :-)
Paul

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2005, 11:10:44 PM »


 :)
Well Paul, you sound like the exact sort of person I would want to work with, and a few more of our collegues are beginning to see the light also. Unfortunately though, when a real and authentic technology is discovered, someone usually dies! I kept my mouth shut for close to thirty years because the military got directly in my face and threatened to make me and my entire family disappear if I ever said a word to anyone. Then these same people offered me unlimited money to develop my idea on the condition that I sign everything, including all intellectual property over to them. I refused, and my life has basically been hell on earth since. Gene learned the hard way, and I had told him my story only a year before he found out for himself. The mistake they made was in letting me live and believing that I would never come forward because of the severe threats and intimidation, and possibly because they considered me part of the gang. In the last couple of months, many friends have finally convinced me to begin writing a book which should provide some insight at least, to some of the things which have been locked away from public view for far to long. The Internet is great for conversation and exchanging certain information, but it is certainly no place to stick your head out for these people to lop off the minute one does. A good many folks in these forums already have much of the information they need to successfully build esentially fueless technologies, its just a matter of combining some of them together along with long known scientific knowledge. Telsa knew more than almost any one group on the web these days, and that was nearly a century ago. I think that maybe the problem is, that everyone is expecting things to be much more difficult than they really are, and way over thinking it all. Because of where I have been, I stand a good chance at winding up in Pendaltin for the remainder of my life, or simply vanishing from the face of the earth if I say to much, and believe me when I tell you that we are all being monitored by people who's job it is to keep track of those they feel to be threats to their empire. This is no joke my friend, and it is extremely serious business. The truth is out there, and we are all doing what we are able to do given our own seperate/personal situations. Thank God we have some friends within the "Homeland Security" sectors/divisions who are on our side, and they are taking notes, believe it or not!


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Offline Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2005, 01:58:03 PM »
Sometimes the mass of mankind is hypnotized into a rut. The movie What The Bleep Is Going On showed how the white man's sailing ships were so unfamiliar that the natives in the Carribean did not see them until a voyager gradually got them used to them. The people in Ohio sort of saw the airplane experiments. Powered gliders probably weren't so beyond expectation that they weren't seen, they saw the planes enough to tell people about them, but they did not understand enough to help Orvile and Wilber a lot though I don't know very much about the details here. Did the dry goods stores contribute cloth? Did local schools organize a lot of field trips so children could see the new machines? Were engine mechanics eager to help? How did the Wrights get land for runways? Did people help prepare the runways? I just imagined that a rope, sandbag, and paractute device would add engineerd deceleration for landings so perhaps I would help.? Was the new enterprise able to accept any general goodwill from the people? I want people to rush to develop the diode array with only incidental attention to me.

Aloha, Charlie

PaulLowrance

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2005, 07:18:27 PM »
Dear Bush Wacker,

Well, you are definitely an interesting fellow.  I would like to know more about your story if you are willing.  If I understand you correctly, you have information regarding free energy, but have not yet revealed that information or at least not all of it.  Is that correct.  What I do not understand is why you would publicly state that you are going to reveal such information and not immediately do so.  In other words, don't you think the military would bring you in the moment you claim you are going to speak?

I would like to email you in private if that's ok with you.

Sincerely,
Paul

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Offline Kysmett

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2005, 10:25:05 PM »
Anyone can say that they have 'the answer'(and quite a few do).  But, it I was in charge of this Machiavellian affair this is how I would play it, and if this is correct then Bushwacker is right to act as he does.

1.  The many who claim and don't produce only undermine the credibility of the movement in the eyes of the voting public.  (this is good for the powerbrokers) No one takes anything seriously that comes from said individuals, regardless of validity, because the area is rife with fraud.

2.  If you killed everyone that claimed to have an answer, you would have a lot more corpses and secrets to manage(K.I.S.S.). Most of thast would be the remains of charlaitans anyway, and is needless, undermining the benefits of (1).

3.  Once, and if considering item 2, the individual finally speaks out with the answer, it is easier in the atmosphere  generated by Item 2 to orchestrate an 'accident' and claim that the guy was a fraud anyway by saying that you tried it and it was a hoax.  The masses just say "damn thats too bad", shrug their shoulders and continue their servitude.

So...by this criteria, it is not as dangerous to CLAIM that you have something, as it is to DEMONSTRATE it.  Kudos BW.  I only hope that if you are sitting on something that you find a path of relative safety to demonstrate it.  Once you find this path, please share, as yours will certainly not be the only feet to trod upon it.

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2005, 11:56:28 PM »
Paul and Kysmett,

   I will be more than happy to share information with you two. Whilst trying not to sound like a butt kisser, lol, I want to say that you are both right in your statements. I believe as you do Paul, but things are a bit more complicated than I can go into in a forum. I do not want my identiy openly available to just anyone and everyone, as I have made to many mistakes in the past by being to ready and willing to pass on information to people who seemed to be legitimately sincere about the problems at hand. I already have one "Homeland Security Agent" that I know absolutely is watching my private forum, and I have had more problems with fedral hacker's getting into my files and causing as much trouble as they could to discourage me, than my fair share. I would like to talk with you also, so if you are in the U.S., send me a number where I can contact you and I will give you a call okay? If your not in the U.S., then I suppose that we can communicate by email. That address is (JDEnterprizes@mailblocks.com). I look forward to speaking with you and only ask that you do not reveal my identity without my express permission. If this is acceptable to you, then I await your questions. By the way, I have come forward many times, and before many people with much of the information. It's just that I've learned from the vulture's out there, that it is a dangerous thing, both for myself and for the masses in general to let reporter's and such get hold of something and twist things in order to only make matters worse for our cause. Kysmett is right on about that! Have a good one Paul, and I hope to hear from you soon.

Best Regards,

Bush Wacker

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2005, 01:42:36 AM »
Dear Bush Wacker,

For clarity, would you encourage inventors to continue their free energy research or would you recommend that they run away and be afraid of free energy research?  I'm grateful that you speak your mind about being careful.  As far as I'm concerned, people such as yourself add a lot to the fire of encouragement.  It gives me a lot more encouragement to continue on.

Sincerely,
Paul

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2005, 04:09:55 AM »
Hi Paul & Bush Wacker,

Please send me an email to prometheus_effect@yahoo.c*m. I have something with I think you will find of interest. I have also send you a private message throught this forum. This is not spam.

Prometheus Effect

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« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2005, 08:26:30 PM »
Paul & Prometheus,

   Paul, I would definately encourage people to keep working on what they are doing, especially you Paul. I believe that you are doing a fantastic job and that there is definately potential in the ambient thermal realms as well as the geothermal realm, and that we already have enough geothermal energy in this country to power the entire nation, but that would be to easy and their are certain politician's who would fight it tooth and nail because they make an incredible amount of money off of their oil investments with their friends. It doesn't take much research to find out who I am speaking of, and you probably already know. I would advice inventor's who know that they have something viable, to keep it to themselves until they have taken proper measures to assure that in the event they are killed or simply disappear or even if it appears to be a natural death that their will be widespread disemination of all information pertaining to every detail of their work. I have just written a message on the patent/trademark conversation explaining what I did, and this will make any spooks think more than twice before acting to take you out. Keep on truckin Man!

Prometheus, I will send you an e-mail shortly okay?

PaulLowrance

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2005, 08:59:56 PM »
Dear Bush Wacker,

That's good to hear.  I think you made it clear.  So now I can remove the red flag by your name, lol.  I am glad that you encourage people to continue.  I know there are people who would flee in the sight of danger.  I would only plea that they continue and not allow anyone to discourage their good work.

I hope everyone who is on to something big take your advice to ensure the knowledge will not disappear.  The question is, who can they trust?  How did you find these people and what measures can people take to help insure they're not going to steal the information?

About my ambient heat research.  It's not what a lot of people think.  It has nothing to do with temperature differential.  What I am working on is the idea of a device that requires no temperature gradient, that will work anywhere on Earth, that will generate free energy all day, all week, all year.  Geothermal energy is great but the problem is that the public rely on the big boys or someone with $ to get the job done.  If someone release the designs to a machine that is so simple that anyone could build by ordering specific parts, and that cost under $100, and generates several kilowatts of power, then that's a different story.  A person would be crazy to continue paying electric bills if they could build or buy such a device.  It doesn't stop there.  There are already companies that convert cars to an electric car.  The biggest expense is the batteries, right?  Batteries for electric cars are expensive and heavy.  If my research and simulations are correct, then it should not be expensive to build a unit to power an electric car.  Recently on the radio a person working on a TV show said that for $2000 they purchased everything needed to convert their car to an electric car-- batteries and all.  I believe that well under $500 in parts and perhaps few hundred in labor it will be possible to convert a car to a free energy machine.  Now my point is this -> How many people would spend $1000 dollars to get a free energy electric car.  Imagine driving anywhere, across the country, any time, as long as you want free of charge.  People buy new cars all the time.  I don't think it would take long for a car manufacturer to convert to an electric car.

Sincerely,
Paul

Offline Charlie Brown ARN

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Re: The Prometheus Game
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2005, 02:16:23 AM »
I moved material about getting a grant to develop superior energy from here to the news item on prize money. The move dosen't leave any tangebly severed references here.

Aloha, Charlies
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« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2005, 03:02:43 AM »
 ?Paul,

 ?you seem to be on the right thinking track to me, and the device you are looking for has already been produced by Tesla - actually more than one. There are missing a few "tricks" to successfully replicate these. One of these devices was the Tesla Fuelless Generator, based on his "self acting oscillator". Basically a small piston was driven by compressed air which cut the magnetic lines of force and induced a current in 2 large coils. Tesla himself stated that once a particular resonant frequency was found, the oscillator would be able to self sustain (resonant rise) itself and produce a 70% or so excess of electric power. He mentions some tricks, which nobody seems to really emphatise or even notice, and that is the conversion of one form of energy to another. He mentions this in his "The problem of increasing human energy" article. Tesla sold this particular device to Admiral Von Tirpitz before WWII and later it was apparently installed in U-Boots.

 ?I believe that to this day, many still ignore Tesla - not his general biography, but his research work, epistolary exchange with other fellow scientists, articles and patent interference transcripts. I also believe that this is not just a coincidence, but is so because of an active "external oppression" and misinformation charade on one side throwing dirt on Tesla's name and on the other ridiculing him and putting in his mouth words he never spoke.

 ? ?What you think is correct: the way to go is not adapting internal combustion engines to run with other fuels but to use a basically more efficient motor, the electrical brushless induction motor instead (Tesla's Pierce Arrow electric car attempt) with power generated from an electrical oscillator. The power is the only current problem with official technology: we would need the "small mysterious box" that spits out kilowatts of unlimited power - and I'm sure these devices exist, but are naturally classified.

 ? I ask myself: why are so few people deeply researching Tesla (without any hidden agenda)? Why is there so much disinformation around his work on the net and even in some published books instead? I believe on one side that people think of him as an old man working with "old technology" - but that is totally incorrect. To this day the engineers that know him still do not understand fully most of his patents and his system of wireless transmission. Today we think of wireless as radio frequency or infrared, but this was exactly what he was trying to explain to everyone at the time, including to Hertz: he intended wireless as in without wires, not "Hertzian or electromagnetic Waves". Furthermore, why are most of his papers still classified? Why can we not obtain his FULL Dynamic Theory of Gravity under the FOIA? Why has this not stimulated others in researching what is so important in this theory that it is kept classified still today? How come Morgan shut his Wardenclyffe project down and make him "off limits" to any other investor? It is difficult to meter and sell wireless power - not a good commercial move - but why has this not shaken anyone in replicating and going public? Why are we still dumbfounded with the "gravity wave myth"? The explanation lies in his theory, but instead, we have been presented with complex equations and the "re-born" Relativity Theory. I have an explanation to all this and if you think about it, it all adds up.
 ? ?If his theory (an ether based one) practically explains all phenomena, it also says that the universe is a continuous free energy looping machine where everything is perfectly balanced. This for one mines the already crippled Big-Bang delusion. If this is true, the all pervading ether is the perfect medium which he describes which is responsible for all "pondering matter" phenomena. This means that all apparent gravitational phenomena are in fact electromagnetic phenomena and that inertial phenomena are strictly linked to electromagnetic phenomena (Lenz, MHD effect etc). All effects are acted upon or through ponderable matter, so we feel and see these phenomena as originating from matter but in reality is coming through the "medium". One trick in free energy lies in converting one form of energy into another (electromagnetic in mechanic for example) where the energy conservation rule appears to break, if we don't count for an "external source". The primary source of energy are Tesla's Primary Solar Rays. These are emitted (not generated, but converted through the medium and atomic fusion) from all the stars in our universe, and locally, from our sun. These are very high energy penetrating rays such as X and Gamma and other higher frequency (radiant energy - there have been all sorts of strange theories on this) that bombard our earth, day and night. Another free energy machine consists in capturing and converting these rays in usable power, electrical or thermal, depening on the constructed machine. Tesla stated that if we could shield any radioactive element from these rays (which is apparently impossible) the element would cease to be radioactive. This is a confirmation of his ether theory, the ether being the medium through which forces or energy are imparted or act upon "ponderable matter". There has been some misunderstanding on Tesla's "radiant energy" patent, some thinking of heat conversion others of electrostatics. This patent was only a small example of an "energy collector" which created "feeble currents" which he says himself. All other theories are mere speculation.
 ? I could go on, but I just wanted to make a point here to everyone: don't dismiss Tesla too quickly. Do some research not only on his life, but especially on his works, lectures, articles and letters. Research only original authentic published material and use this to cross reference books. I am aware it is not something one can do in a week, a month or even 1 year - it will take several. However, you will then see how much disinformation is really out there and it will help you greatly in better understanding "nature's wheelwork". Then, I think, there will be more probability of some nice Free Energy devices surfacing and subsequent necessary declassification of these Tesla documents.

 ? ?Regards

 

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