Although very cool, The Kanzius method  is not efficient in any way or form. Not to mention, it only worked with salt in the water. Of course, I'm assuming we are discussing to better understand free energy and the likes.

Maybe it's possible that making the gas from normal efficient electrolysis isn't the key, but what we do with the gases, such as ionization. Or maybe we can deform the nucleus of the Oxygen atoms and put them into a higher spin and push the electrons into higher orbits? How much more energy do you think you will get when that nucleus snaps back to its natural equilibrium?

http://focus.aps.org/story/v9/st21

Quote from Curious Texan... "The Kanzius discovery had been replicated at Penn State University by Professor Emeritus Rustum Roy.  According to Roy, the energy released is the result of the specific radio frequency of the Kanzius machine weakening the bonds between sodium and chloride, and hydrogen and oxygen..."

Don't know if you've seen this patent, but this is what I'm currently experimenting with.

http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT4599158

My coil is wound on a 4" soil pipe cap end. I'm using 0.75mm enamelled copper wire.  Not sure how long a length I wound, but it has a dc resitance of 7 ohms.  I still as yet need to cut up some small ss plates.

I figure that 0.75mm should be good for a couple amps continuous and at least 5 amps peak or pulses.

Just to check out the magnetic field my coil assembly could produce, I placed a white ceramic tile on top of it and sprinkled tiny bits of steel wool.

I switched on the PSU and even with just a couple of volts, the bits of steel wool immediately and quite visibly got into formation. Flicking the voltage up and down saw the steel wool dancing about quite impressively. I could clearly follow the lines of magnetism as some larger strands of the steel wool stood on end, effectively giving me a 3D image.

The magnetic field, even at only a few amps seems quite strong, and hopefully will be potent enough for forthcoming tests. 

Interestingly a 50mm x 8mm neodynium rod magnet standing on it's end 6" from the coil assembly was easily knocked over by the resulting magnetic field as I flicked the power up and down.

If you read through the patent, you will find that the crucial reaction - that is going from ionisation to evolved gas - is missing... as always seems to be the case. It's seems to me that it's all about find this one missing link.

Where is the basis for doubting the reality of the Kanzius phenomena? There are no valid ones: Other than "personal opinions" that it "can't be". Meanwhile there is documented proof that it happened.

Besmirching a man like Dr. Kanzius after his death (.... Saying this is false after reading his Paper on the subject is the same as calling him a "Liar")... Is utterly disgusting.

He was a man who dedicated the last years of his life to Mankind, who made significant discoveries in both anti-cancer medicine and alternative energy... And his memory does not deserve this treatment.

He proved that 13.56 MHz RF can disassociate seawater... Whether some here like it or not.

And as for it being efficient, a flame that burns at 4,000 Deg F will heat a water vessel with heat exchanger rather nicely..... So it won't take much input power efficiency at all to beat "Faraday efficiency"; verses a standard electrical resistive element. The system they devised for this at the Erie, PA lab was not designed to be efficient: It was an open-air demonstrator.

Why this technique has not been pursued farther yet, is another story... One that deserves looking into closely.

Closing this system up with a well shielded box containing a non-conductive chamber or pipe carrying the seawater between two close-coupled, resonant "antenna / electrodes" on either side could be a much more energy efficient solution. There are RF systems out there now in industry for many applications; the main difference here would be the frequency... Which, BTW, "13.56 MHz" is the same F range now assigned to packaging "RFID" tags and transeivers... A researcher could possibly get an RFID "station" from a warehousing supply company (they start at about $300), and use that as the oscillator front-end, with an amplifying output stage added.

By all accounts, Dr. Kanzius did not even wish to pursue this technology; it was secondary to his goal of curing cancer. 

Jibbguy

Noboby is knocking the guy, and I think we've all read and seen the reports. It's simply a healthy dose of skeptism - which around here is essential. Everyone will have their own opinion on this until further details are published. And Kanzius now being dead is irrelevant.

As for efficiency, you are only speculating as you - like I - have no way of knowing all the crucial details. Besides, it's not the efficiency that's important here, it's whether or not we have a new chapter in science unfolding.

The fact is that it's the lack of crucial details in this kind of headline that creates all the skeptiscm in the first place, so you can't decry folk from being cautious. I think you're being a little niave here.

I think also you will find that he was using 13.56 meg

Lol, it looks like YOU cared about it (...until now apparently )

Lol, you got me there...   Actually, I was hoping some experiment details could be found with actual efficiency measurements (if any were to be found).

As for a replication: How do you know it hasn't been replicated, and several times? Where is YOUR proof to debunk the local Cleveland TV news report (and another in Florida), and the 60 Minutes program segment? Where is YOUR scientific Paper that refutes the one sited?

The problem here  is that you don't understand ...   That there is   NOTHING TO DEBUNK  in those in those TV news reports...  Think about it.   How can I replicate his experiment from what you saw on TV?   How can it actually be proven or disproven with that information?  It can't.   TV is not proof..  Replications are.

@Newbie: No one is replicating this in the Open Source community as far as i know, that is true. But that doesn't refute the paper, or the work that was done by the company in Erie...

   

 Well.. That paper is just about as pointless, and credible,  as the TV clips..   Other than giving out the polarized RF frequency.

And the reason that efficiency is important, should be evident: Every time we prove that the text books are lying about the energy efficiency of disassociating water... We drive another nail into Big Oil's coffin

   

Over Faraday gas measurements are just calculation errors (Every one I've seen, at least) ..    I've actually looked into this... And the series cells, i.e. Bob Boyce 101, will appear to get more gas out per current, when they're really not (it's sort of an illusion)...  But I don't want to get into the details in this thread.