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Author Topic: Dissociation of the Water Molecule  (Read 120037 times)

Farrah Day

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #75 on: May 14, 2009, 03:51:35 PM »
Here is another very interesting paper:

http://waterpoweredcar.com/pdf.files/egas-calculations.pdf

Incidentally an email reply from Rustum Roy states that more details on the Kanzius discovery will be published on his website in due course.

BALLSCREWPRO

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #76 on: May 14, 2009, 05:16:25 PM »
Take a look at my 13 tube in tubes video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cscJUwHIA10

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #77 on: May 14, 2009, 05:29:50 PM »
look and listen more carefully.
the bolt is connected to the sec circuit with a stainless wire too.
May just be antena

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #78 on: May 14, 2009, 05:39:14 PM »
As the 'Cooking with Hydroxy' thread seems to be the only active thread at present, and as I don't want to hijack that or push it anymore off subject, I've decided to bring this thread back up.

I've now designed a few experiments to test a few of my theories. Theories which I touched on earlier in this thread and which to many tend to fly in the face of the accepted model of how standard electrolysis works.

To my mind, if you do not understand or cannot comprehend what is happening at molecular level, if you do not understand basic chemical reactions, how can you even consider building any kind of advanced WFC? 

I see people building all sorts of fancy coils, playing with various pulsing circuits, talking about building... gas processors, when they have no idea what is actually happening at molecular level, or what electro-chemical processes might be occurring.

Unlike most around here, I'm not particularly interested in OU - I'm not sure it even exists and won't be wasting my time going on a wild goose chase.

Hartman has a big money prize for all you guys achieving OU - kinda strange why none of you have yet claimed it!

What I do feel needs more research and is open to a much greater understanding is the dissociation of the water molecule - it is far less understood than generally accepted. What particularly interests me is what is actually happening at molecular level, and how these reactions can be influenced.

Unlike Mr H2OPower who popped across to this forum recently saying he could explain the Meyer WFC, but expected everyone else to build a Meyer-type gas processor, and who supposedly had 'Proof of Concept' when is all he had was ideas, I prefer to deal with real science and start at the beginning.

What concerns me somewhat is just how quickly this thread drifted down the board once I stopped posting on it. It sort of worries me that so few people were prepared to comment. I can only assume it was because no one had a clue what I was talking about and hence an education issue, in which case inteligent productive discussion might become difficult.

To be honest I'm not sure it will even be worth my effort posting here as the forum is continually littered with utter nonsense and abusive posts from the obviously mentally challenged, with no moderator intervention (Oh, in saying that, he did threaten to ban me earlier in the year for expressing my opinion). It also occurs to me that discussion is only really active when the village idiots are on a day out.

But, we'll see what happens.
Wow ,I am impressed,u can't see the forest for all the atoms...

newbie123

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #79 on: May 14, 2009, 05:57:21 PM »
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Incidentally an email reply from Rustum Roy states that more details on the Kanzius discovery will be published on his website in due course.
Hopefully that means soon.

Another contact is Brent Haddad who directs the Center for Integrated Water Research at the University of California, Santa Cruz.  If you are interested.
(according to this article:  http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/09/070913-burning-water_2.html)


 

jibbguy

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #80 on: May 14, 2009, 08:18:24 PM »
Lol it's always about "isolating Hydrogen" to these people (referring to the Doc at UC Santa Cruz). That way a huge infrastructure is always needed to dispense and store it ;)

Current designs of electric fuel cells require 99.999% pure H to operate ("The 5 Nines of Purity"), otherwise they are quickly contaminated. You know, when it is combusted, H doesn't give a damn about the "purity" lol, and when it is created on-demand, it doesn't need any storage ;)

What, no mention of using hydroxy to directly power ICE vehicles? ... It seems there never is with these people (as with the MIT "plasmatron" project)  ;)

Because it appears to be a "forbidden" subject. Once breached, someone might start asking what ever happened to Stanley Meyer, and his technology. Or they might wonder why hydroxy boost hasn't been nationally embraced yet.

Or they may even ask why a major corporation has the power, or right, to keep highly important, clean, and efficient technologies that could greatly benefit the planet from ever seeing the light of day?... I wonder what might become of the public Stock prices, or the Consumer Sales, of such a corporation if it was found that they were shelving such a technology.... Denying the people of its benefits... When they were never elected to anything.... When they are simply corporate executives with no immunity against prosecution or going to jail for illegal Trust activity (lol "Yes", the Federal Anti-Trust laws are still on the books, even if they haven't been used much lately ;) ). 

Perhaps they had better dust it off and make it public before it's too late, and they are caught with it still on the shelf. Timing is everything: Release it now and you are "heroes". Wait to long and you are in Court, and trying to transfer your assets to your Mother-In-Law to keep from losing everything ;)

Farrah Day

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #81 on: May 14, 2009, 08:44:39 PM »
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What, no mention of using hydroxy to directly power ICE vehicles? ... It seems there never is with these people (as with the MIT "plasmatron" project) 

Because it appears to be a "forbidden" subject. Once breached, someone might start asking what ever happened to Stanley Meyer, and his technology. Or they might wonder why hydroxy boost hasn't been nationally embraced yet.

Hardly surprising really as that tends to be the domain of the uneducated and ignorant - dipshit journalists and reporters out for a quick headline with no regard for any science.

So not really sure it's quite a simple as that.

Any educated man worth his salt would not jeapordise his credibility by jumping on the 'water-powered cars' bandwagon, unless they had hard facts to back up such a statement. 

Hydrogen is a fuel. Water on the other hand is only currently a source of fuel. And, as long as it takes more energy to to dissociate water than is returned on combustion this will forever remain so.

You have to consider that the moment anyone actually achieves (beyond doubt) a self-sustaining closed loop hydroxy on-demand system, that this in itself will constitute Over-Unity.

Something of course that many great minds consider impossible!

That said, great minds have been wrong before - take for example Einstein.

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #82 on: May 14, 2009, 09:20:27 PM »
You just called me a "Dipshit".

I have reported on these technologies many times, and probably a million people have read my articles. I've spent countless hours researching them, and spoke with dozens of people who know much more about these subjects than you pretend to. I stand by my work, and i have defended myself successfully over and over again in "comments" sections against people who make you look like a retard.

Why don't you write an article yourself debunking it all if you feel so passionately about it? But i guess it's much easier to just snidely criticize others. You and your ilk disgust me, and many others here.

... Do us a favor: Give your constant negative comments based only on your WORTHLESS OPINION a rest, and just go to back to dis-ing "cold fusion" or whatever it was you came from.

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #83 on: May 14, 2009, 09:47:57 PM »

Jibbguy,    Are you really  a journalist or reporter  "out for a quick headline with no regard for any science."?

I think you are just being combative here..     Anyway..     What publication do you write for?



Farrah Day

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #84 on: May 14, 2009, 09:54:22 PM »
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You just called me a "Dipshit".

Sorry about that, the comment was not directed at you specifically, but from what followed in your post I obviously greatly underestimated your limited knowledge of science and over estimated your intelligence. 

Perhaps you would find 'ignorant arsehole' to be more agreeable!  ;)

Incidentally, I didn't call you a 'Dipshit', you simply labelled yourself as one of those I was talking about...  But I guess you've unwittingly emphasised my point. Who do you write for... Marvel Comics?
« Last Edit: May 14, 2009, 10:19:09 PM by Farrah Day »

jibbguy

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #85 on: May 14, 2009, 10:02:51 PM »
@ Newbie use your marvelous research skills and find out.... Lol, or were you accusing my of lying? "Combative" is often defined as: "Having the nerve to disagree with me" ;)

@ Farrah : Thx for the comment, it was rather illuminating to the others here i think.. And better than any reply i could have made lol.

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2009, 10:29:48 PM »
@ Newbie use your marvelous research skills and find out.... Lol, or were you accusing my of lying? "Combative" is often defined as: "Having the nerve to disagree with me" ;)

Read what you just wrote and tell me that isn't "combative"....  C'mon now.. Grow up.     

Farrah Day

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2009, 10:48:31 PM »
http://www.opednews.com/articles/life_a_jibbguy_080415_brown_s_gas__28_22hho_22_29_.htm

I assume this is you Jibby.

Guess I had you labelled right then... but you're also bordering on Crank. 

Funny, you say how deeply you researched the subject then give the credit of the discovery of hydroxy properties to Yull Brown. Google Dr. William Rhodes, or read one of my previous posts.

Your article is full of speculation and typical of a journalist, reporter or writer well out of their depth in this field. Do you always just take everything that is told to you as gospel... untill it is disproven? You're far more niave than I originally took you for.

You say that people you have spoken with in the past make me look like a retard - what in heavens name did they make of you then?

You appear to be living in your own little fantasy world, where science can be disregarded for the greater good of the planet. Get real!

jibbguy

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2009, 12:21:27 AM »
@ Farrah: Thx for your "Opinion". Waiting to see your article debunking it, though... ;)

As for who discovered Brown's Gas, it was known for over well over a hundred years; but he was the first to commercialize it.... Perhaps you need to do some more research (oh thats right, i forgot: Your negative opinions are all that matter, and should be enough to convince us, so who needs research?) .

Here's a suggestion: Try to look upon some new ideas without trying to tear them down. I know it must hard for you... But you might even find it intellectually satisfying. You know, your own self-worth IS NOT tied to attempting to destruct others'.... And that will lead to a very bleak life.

@ Newbie: Actually i was making a little joke in referring to your earlier scurrilous accusations against the late Dr. John Kanzius (...which proved rather ill-advised in the end, no?).

Well, i'm not dead, i can reply just fine, so i don't mind so much when you turn your attacks to me ;)

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Re: Dissociation of the Water Molecule
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2009, 02:21:41 AM »

@ Newbie: Actually i was making a little joke in referring to your earlier scurrilous accusations against the late Dr. John Kanzius (...which proved rather ill-advised in the end, no?).

The skepticism,  that you call  "scurrilous accusations"  still stands,   as does  "Replications (meaning more than 1-2)  = Proof" ...   to  the science community, and me as well. 

Do you see how you are jumping to conclusions here, and twisting the truth?   And apparently you do the same in  your articles...