Author Topic: Lynnferd Grant HHO Breakthrough (Read 42217 times)

goldenequity · « **Reply #30 on:** November 17, 2008, 03:43:33 PM »

Hi Kator...
I confess to having been sidetracked by the plasma sparkplug circuit....
as it progresses..... it is moving steadily towards modified fuel.... either a
GEET or vaporized fuel setup. This would include emulsified fuel and I
expect to see some renewed interest (including my own

) at that point.

As far as emulsifying browns gas.... I feel I took it as far as it needs to be
as far as proof of concept. It can be done (and is being done).
Whether or not people will prefer that concept vs. generating it "on the fly"
remains to be seen.

Aside from suppression.... markets tend to dictate what people want and will buy.
EM fuels has the product and equipment .... but are struggling for sales.. (expensive equip!)
Even on this forum.... there were not many who reported any experimentation to the
emulsifying thread.... I'm ok with that.... like I said... markets will dictate what people want
with their money AND their interest/actions.... so I gave it a rest.
Cheers!

ramset · « **Reply #31 on:** November 17, 2008, 04:28:12 PM »

GE sorry about the seeming lack of interest in fuel emulsification . Recent events have had me scrambling to other immediate priorities
I have gathered burner heads and nozzle's for experimenting
I am interested in Geet also, but want to heat homes
recently finished construction of an outside shop for these tests
Yes this thread also is Amazing and right up my alley
Kator unfortunate Kamben seems to have stopped contributing his findings for a surfactant
Chet

Kator01 · « **Reply #32 on:** November 17, 2008, 04:32:05 PM »

Hi goldenequity,

ok thank you. I wonder if kampen ever will provide an answer to my question. He is from netherlands and many of these people there us propan in their cars. I will continue with my research and ask a friend of mine who is an chemical enginneer what ideas he has concerning this information.

regrads

Kator01

goldenequity · « **Reply #33 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:28:31 AM »

Here's an update and description/observation of the original video:

I have seen the video that was taken to show the results of the spoon test.
First they used distilled water in a plastic cup.
The electrodes were one spoon and a paperclip.
These two electrodes were hooked up to the capacitor in a microwave oven to supply DC power to the electrodes.
Then the cup of water was placed in a utrasonic jewelry cleaner with water in it.

Power from the microwave was turned on WITHOUT the ultrasonic cleaner on.
Nothing happened.
Then the ultrasonic cleaner was turn on it's low setting.
Still nothing happened.

Then the cleaner was turned on high,and this is when you see the gasses forming.
The gasses don't come off of the electrodes,they come straight from the water between them.
The water starts to cloud up from the top down.

So yes they have stumbled upon a new way of making gasses.
You will just have to wait for them to release the video once they put in their diclaimers.
I have the raw version,and I won't be putting it out.
Be patient,it will be here very soon.
It is a very interesting test,that I will be trying myself later this week when my ultrasonic cleaner arrives.

goldenequity · « **Reply #34 on:** November 18, 2008, 12:46:31 AM »

Quote

and here somthing off topic but related to the above :
http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008/November/baltic-dry-index.html
.. and for realtime-grafic of the baltic Dry Index you go here :
http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Baltic_Dry_Index_-_BDI_(BALDRY)/WikiChart
IsÂ´nt that interesting ?

btw... thanks for this Kator... I'm a trader

Kator01 · « **Reply #35 on:** November 18, 2008, 01:55:59 AM »

Hi goldenequity,

then I put this info at the right spot. I was wondering why I placed it her instead in the news-section.

@ramset : Yes, unfortunately. I sent him a private message here asking about his friend who gave him samples
of this stuff, but he simply ignored my question.

Best Regards

Kator

professor · « **Reply #36 on:** November 18, 2008, 03:25:13 AM »

Quote from: starcruiser on November 16, 2008, 03:21:22 AM

I am thinking he resonated the tubes using the pulsing from his modified alternator. He was using DC with an AC component into his steel tubes, which resonate in the ultra sonic range. This would be the only way that would support the claims made by Lynnferd. Is this accurate? I am not sure, the only way to tell is to test this on the bench. Should we use a microwave oven to do this, I say no, unless you are well versed in high voltage. Otherwise try the transducer with a car coil as the HV source perhaps or another less lethal power source.

Do not get me wrong I think this has merit and deserves to be explored.

I wonder what if we used a laser diode which is pulsed at say 40khz to excite the water and then use a ignition coil to energize the water? Could that be the secret to the Stanley Myer HHO plug?

@Starcruiser

I think you are on the right track don't know if the output of a laser Diode is sufficient though even when pulsed.
But I always thought that there has to be mechanical resonance involved. Whether you use tubes or plates I think it
really does not matter, plates simply operate at a lower frequency spectrum which both are audible and must therefore be under 16khz.
I always wanted to use my"Rife" Quartz tube that is filled with argon and try to modulate its RF excited Plasma
with different frequencies. 100 Watts of Rf should give me more output than a Laser diode.
Just bought two Vehicles that I am restoring, once that is done I may find some more time to devote myself back into this project.
professor

sucahyo · « **Reply #37 on:** November 18, 2008, 07:36:15 AM »

Interesting discussion here

.

Quote from: Kator01 on November 17, 2008, 12:18:15 AM

Now the key-question here is : Do we need DC-High voltage or does it work with the 28 khz ? I do not know.

How about both? Like in the first picture.

Second picture is what I think can generate such wave.

I really interested to see the result of this experiment.

Kator01 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 19, 2008, 01:32:21 AM »

Hi suahyo,

I would not use this unsystematic methode. Too many steps at a time. You will not know what is doing what.

Kator01

sucahyo · « **Reply #39 on:** November 19, 2008, 06:10:47 AM »

I see. But I really hope there is plan for experiment with DC sinewave too, even if it is not at high voltage. I hope experiment with electrical frequency do not use AC (which I think disturb electrolysis) or rectified AC (weird / unnatural pulse).

What I really like to now is if pulsed DC can have more effect. At what percentage is the pulse voltage compare to DC voltage for best efficiency. What pulse is better, sinewave, square, etc.

I really like to test it my self, but sadly I don't have the necessary equipment.

What I plan to do with my circuit:
- varying input frequency, finding which frequency is best for hydrogen generation, not water vapor, not oxygen.
- varying output voltage to find out at what voltage it start to be noticable.
- varying pulse vs DC voltage percentage, to find out at what percentage is best.

goldenequity · « **Reply #40 on:** November 19, 2008, 11:42:50 AM »

Quote from: sucahyo on November 19, 2008, 06:10:47 AM

I see. But I really hope there is plan for experiment with DC sinewave too, even if it is not at high voltage. I hope experiment with electrical frequency do not use AC (which I think disturb electrolysis) or rectified AC (weird / unnatural pulse).

What I really like to now is if pulsed DC can have more effect. At what percentage is the pulse voltage compare to DC voltage for best efficiency. What pulse is better, sinewave, square, etc.

I really like to test it my self, but sadly I don't have the necessary equipment.

What I plan to do with my circuit:
- varying input frequency, finding which frequency is best for hydrogen generation, not water vapor, not oxygen.
- varying output voltage to find out at what voltage it start to be noticable.
- varying pulse vs DC voltage percentage, to find out at what percentage is best.

sucahyo.... and welcome to the thread.... try/suggest all ideas to be discussed.... I think what Kantor was saying is that isolating
your variables during your testing is necessary. Cheers!

goldenequity · « **Reply #41 on:** November 19, 2008, 11:50:33 AM »

Ok folks.... you be the judge... I just presents da facts

Here's the video they have now posted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwED1w88npk

I guess I will comment....
I was hoping for more...

but hope is really what drives us all in this.... (sigh)
any replications/improvements yet?

HeairBear · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2008, 01:45:16 PM »

ditto... I hope they get it working again on the next full moon.

gotoluc · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2008, 07:09:47 PM »

Hi goldenequity and all,

I would agree that this is not a good video demonstration but it has to start somewhere

If we look at what was originally presented that alone is the most interesting part and is happening in the video, gas production did not happen until the correct frequency and or amplitude of the Ultrasonic transducer was reached!... demonstrating that a physical oscillation is capable of having an effect between water and a voltage potential between electrodes. This association in itself is very fascinating and to think they used such a large cup of water and still got the effect is once more encouraging.

This is a diamond in the rough

as so many other tweaks can now be done, like having the water container cavity tuned to a size and shape to resonate

I am hopeful

Luc

Kator01 · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2008, 07:19:10 PM »

Hi all,

managgia miseria !

eery if I watch these two sexual mature kids playing with 2000 Volt. My hairs rise up as if powered by high tension.
Irresponsible, if this is not a fake. The video does not show any details. So what have we got :

1) 60 Watt of ultrasonic power - consumption
2) 2000 Volt , 10 to 20 milliAmp current flowing in the water ( just a humble guess ) -> 20-40 Watt high-tension-power ( Microwave-over is consuming 500 Watt at all during operation)

Result : Two mature kids excited about a few bubbles ( created by 80 Watt power ).

So , dont try this. If you can not resist it, take a neon-transformer ( 4000 Volt, 60 to 120 Watt ) Ask Luc where he fond some at ebay.
I could not resist giving my comment on this one.

Regards

Kator

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