Author Topic: Lynnferd Grant HHO Breakthrough (Read 41983 times)

goldenequity · « **on:** November 14, 2008, 03:33:48 PM »

Wanted to get this up!
More to discuss later!

Very interesting audio interview with Lynnferd Grant who has now produced gas not just AT the electrodes..
but BETWEEN them with a 3" separation.... a la Stanley Meyers.... no resonance, no tubes..... a paper clip.... and a spoon!

Download:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/kywaterfuelmuseum/2008/11/14/Lynnferd-Grant.mp3

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gotoluc · « **Reply #1 on:** November 14, 2008, 06:19:10 PM »

Hi goldenequity,

Excellent find my friend

... this could help tie many things together.

Thanks for starting this topic.

Luc

Jokker · « **Reply #2 on:** November 14, 2008, 10:51:38 PM »

Great find !
What about a video he told about ... ?

And ... as he talks ... seems easy, sure and interesting stuff. No kidding i just cant understand all, but seems he knows what he is talking about coz hes certain, straight, predictable and detailed during conversation. Next part is a result and yea he described this part as well guide well.
Sure it is worth trying. There is a very good reason, coz its something diffrent and yea replicating pulsed LCR circuit does not show results.

lynnferd@mail.com
-hes mail.

goldenequity · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2008, 02:53:20 AM »

Here's some of the more pertinent (to HHO) dialog I extracted from the audio:

Quote

"On video last night I showed that you have the cloud of bubbles forming between the electrodes, and one of the electrodes in the cup was nothing more than a 1" paperclip unfolded, a one inch length, and that's a very short piece of wire, and the other electrode in the 3" in diameter cup was a spoon, and when the ultrasonics was turned on, it's feeble shaking caused
"bubbles to form throughout the volume of water"

"You do that to the Meyer's fuel cell.... which is nothing more than having a high voltage potential across it, which I put there by putting the electrodes across the capacitor in a standard microwave, the magnatron's capacitor, which is having rather raw unfiltered DC, but nonetheless it is having high voltage DC about 2000 volts, in the range of what Meyer's would be talking about for making his cell work.

I am simply showing in this video... and anybody can do this extremely simply, by taking those two wires from across the capacitor in the microwave... very carefully, cause it's deadly voltage,... across the Meyer water fuel cell...which in its crudest form is a cup of distilled water.... and you have electrodes in there of some kind... he uses "pipes" ...but they're just surface electrodes.. and I showed in the video that you can use a paper clip for one electrode and a spoon for the other.... 3 inches across the large cup...and when you turn on the high voltage... raw AC ripple filtered, unfiltered DC that it does NOT...without the ultrasonic cavitation effect of ultrasonic cleaning...does not do anything... other than suggest a few feeble bubbles on the electrodes.... but when you turn on the ultrasonics, it causes the collapsing bubbles between the electrodes...which then go into a plasma and at that state ... James... and audience.. at that state the little "speck" of plasma behaves like an "inter" electrode.

At that billionth of a second.... that poor little spot...is becoming an electrode in an electrolysis condition... the voltage between the electrodes is divided in a voltage divider so that you have approximately 1.5 volts in the area of that little plasma spot....doing microscopic electrolysis... across that microscopic electrode which exists in an unfathomably small moment of time... a billionth of a second...BUT... you DO have electrolysis.

The phenomenon of ultrasonic cavitation is the bubble then immediately explodes.. because if you think a minute... this cycling process by going between almost a vacuum and a plasma.... if you study sonoluminescence... and I would suggest the broader issue of sonoplasma.... it is oscillating... so that little tiny dot of plasma... after it forms electrolysis on its surface... hydrogen on one side of the potential voltage gradient... and the oxygen on the other, it is immediately exploding... and therefore the hydrogen and oxygen do not get a chance to ... in the conventional sense.. to combine."

goldenequity · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2008, 03:42:08 AM »

More...

Quote

"Of course that's what Stanley Meyers was doing and you look at his videos on Youtube
and on an on.... and that people that have reproduced that effect have found it to be
fleeting.... and Meyers..Stanley Meyers talks about in his patent and his many discussions
and presentations and lectures before he had an untimely death ten years ago.. that it
was the resonant frequency of water.

And people are trying to find that.... and I am saying that today, as this simple explanation
I am giving that where you put the voltage..DC voltage gradient across distilled water and
introduce ultrasonic shaking where the ultrasonic waves are causing... like in bubble scrubbing
ultrasonic cleaners the bubbles exploding from a plasma state into a much larger bubble because
of the momentum of water.... and then if you read up on sonoluminesence.... the bubble is 50 (fifty)
times larger than it would be in its normal state.... and its nearly a vacuum at that point and
then the pressure wave comes through the water to greet this tiny little bubble during the
ultrasonic treatment of water... and then this bubble rapidly collapses... because after all its a
virtual vacuum at that stage... and then the momentum of the water will continue to push it
into a tiny little focal point... if the bubble is round.... which means it has to be small and
unaffected by gravity.

So this is what I was able to demonstrate by the introduction of ultrasonics to a cup of water
with the electrodes and the voltage gradient on it ... and it immediately formed the bubbles...
and increasingly....it was not a large set of bubbles... but it was mimicking Meyers fine bubbles..
something akin to the fine fizzy effect of carbonation.

And the little bubbles show us that we are after a NOT ACCIDENTAL RESONANCE of water and the
Meyers effect to get a massive amount of hydrogen from water.... but rather an ultrasonic.. which is
to inject to that frequency instead of accidently have your electrical pulses accidently shape
something into a transducer."

HeairBear · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2008, 03:43:11 AM »

So where do you think Stan hid the transducive material? Without a crystal or ceramic material, making a transducer is impossible as far as I know. I have done a great deal of research into ultrasonics and HHO but I couldn't find an inexpensive way to build a stainless steel tubular transducer. I think Lynnferd's experiment is great but I don't think it was the way Stan did it. But hey, I'll keep an open mind over it and see what happens. Go Lynnferd Grant!

Lynnferd, if your reading this, Shoot me a PM here at the forum. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this topic.

goldenequity · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2008, 05:04:34 AM »

Final exerpt...

Quote

"and that was adaquate... 5 watts of ultrasound... shaking that... formed a cloud of gasses
which I presume were hydrogen and oxygen like Meyers was making because I had a similar
2000 volt DC gradient ... which he didn't have DC... he had pulsing DC because he felt that
he had to synchronize the pulses with ... I feel... the cavitation or the plasma pulses of the
smashed little bubble.... and he did not know that.....

I think he may have suffered from.... like all of us who are trying to get something done...you
don't have time to read the literature..and I forgive him for that.. we need to get things done,
we also need to study things.. and so there's a lot of people, hard working, that don't get the
chance to read the literature... but he may not have appreciated sonoluminescence.. which is
a relatively recent thing.. and some of this research came out about the time he died ... about
10 years ago... so he may not have understood the significance of this...

But we should not... we have no excuse! look at this! Sonoluminescence is examples of sonoplasma
state which is highly conductive... and a quick comment here.... you might think of a colloid..which
is a tiny little metal particle... which can be suspended by Brownian movement in a liquid as being
like an inter electrode.... the difference is, yes there is hydrogen and oxygen forming on this tiny
little speck of a colloid.. metal colloid... but notice... it is not immediately vaporizing as the plasma
bubble is.. it is staying there long enough that it will simply spin... the hydrogen on one side of the
inter electrode .. this microscopic little nano particle of a colloid.. it will immediately turn and act
like a water fuel cell in the classical, old fashion, scientific meaning of a "fuel cell".... and when you
put hydrogen and oxygen in a fuel cell... you have a battery.... that's what the standard hydrogen
fuel cell has meant.

Well this tiny little particle simply spins around and becomes a battery, in effect, and shunts out
the electrical field and behaves like an ion in your (water) bath... this is very common for people
like me who make colloidal silver... you have silver electrodes to form electrolysis... and the tiny little
pieces of silver are shocked apart by erosion of the electrodes due to electron cluster.. you read up
on that.. yes electrons cluster... they form minute craters... you look at it under a microscope and
they look like a meteor hitting the electrode... and they splatter out molten metal.. and that is the
source of your silver colloid... or copper colloid... or platinum colloid... or any other colloid... but
platinum apparently absorbs the splatter... and that's why you have platinum spark plugs.

If you're following me.... these tiny little specks are very common... in any electrolysis cell... it should
be acting as an inter electrode ... and forming your hydrogen on one side of the tiny little metal and
oxygen on the other."

whew....

goldenequity · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2008, 01:09:58 PM »

Thanks Luc..... I decided to treat this as a "news" reporter and dig out stuff and just report.
I'll let you guys do the commentary and theorizing.
My motto is.... you never know, until you find out.... so here's some more stuff I found:

These are 2 friends, Thomas and Lynnferd,
that worked together and performed this at 3:45am on Wednesday or Thursday this past week,
and then announced this to a Yahoo group... and then to James Robey / Water Fuel Museum.
Here are some extractions from the yahoo thread:

1) We used a 2100 V Microwave output from the Capacitor (DC current)
2) We used a Ultra-Sonic Jewelery cleaner
3) We used a plain plastic cup about 7 inches tall
4) We used Distilled water
5) We used one paper clip to be used as one of the electrodes but in series with a 100 watt bulb to not short out the microwave which acts
like a fuse in line
6) We used on the other electrode a stainless steel spoon that is about 3 to 4 inches apart from the paper clip
7) Make sure you put a bowl of water into the microwave before turning it on so it will not ruin the microwave

Make sure you put your ultra-sonic jewelery cleaner under neath your 7 inch plastic cup but have some water in the ultra-sonic cleaner too
9) before you turn on your microwave to make sure that your 100 watt light bulb is turned on before you put the lines in series with one of the outputs of the microwave capacitor
10) DO NOT TOUCH THE LIGHT BULB LAMP OR THE WIRES THAT ARE HOOKED UP TO THE ELECTRODES WHEN YOU TURN IT ON AT ALL OR YOU WILL GET A SHOOK THAT MIGHT KILL YOU !!!
11) after you have done all of this then you can turn on the microwave
12) about one minute into the processes then you turn on your ultra-sonic jewelery cleaner on high speed
13) about around 5 minutes to make sure you shut it down so the hydrogen will not accidentally explode or have it explode and kill you !!!
----------------------------------------------
I AM SENDING JAMES ROBEY OF WATERMUSEUM SO HE CAN
PUT IT ON YOUTUBE.COM FOR US SO THERE WILL BE A DISCLAIMER ADDED TO
IT SO NO ONE WILL SUE US IS WHY I DID NOT WANT IT ON YOUTUBE YET !!!

SO IT DOES WORK BUT WILL BE PUT ON WWW.YOUTUBE.COM MAYBE NEXT WEEK
SOME TIME GUYS AND WHEN IT DOES GET ON THERE THAT JAMES ROBEY WILL
PUT A LINK HERE FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT IT THEN BUT NOT UNTIL THEN

THOMAS
------------------
Hello Sir. I will be placing this video on youtube next week so there
will be a disclaimer with the video so no one will come back to sue us
for not having it in the video ok but its for real and can be done just
by making the constant ultra sonic frequency by using a ultra sonic
Blitz machine that you can buy at the JCPennys store near you so if you
do this experiment to make sure you do not touch the 2100 V from the
microwave or you will get electrocuted and possibly die from it !!!!
Me and Lynnferd will be doing some more experiments next week with
other things in the Distilled water but also remember you do not have
to have plates in the water to get the same results that we got and
also they can be far apart but also we used just a big paper clip on
one side of the plastic cup and a stainless spoon on the other
electrode which both were 3 inches away from each other in our video it
shows all of this to work !!!
------------------------
The constant of using the Blitz Ultra Sonic Jewelery cleaner at the
higher speeds this machine only has off, slow speed, fast speed and
you can buy one at JCPenny's store where we bought it at so you can
try to use the slow speed but it might not work as well as the faster
speed when all we used was a paper clip at one end electrode and the
other electrode a stainless steel spoon which was 3 inches apart from
each other so its going to be very interesting to find out with using
plates at a closer distance when I do not think that the distance
matters but me and lynnferd will be doing some tests ourselves next
week on this so we can show the outcome of the experiment of this so
be tune for the results !!

I bought some stainless steel spatulas at a close store to do some
more tests with this
--------------------------
Hello guys. I will be putting this video on youtube.com but next week
because so there will be a disclaimer on the video so no one will come
back to sue me or lynnferd is the reason why we haven't done it yet but
will send it to someone to edit the video and put it on youtube so be
patient with me on this thanks !! THIS WORKS JUST WITH ONE ELECTRODE
AS A PAPER CLIP AND THE OTHER ELECTRODE WHICH WAS 3 INCHES APART A
STAINLESS STEEL SPOON !!!

IF YOU DO THIS EXPERIMENT TO MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT TOUCH THE 2100 V FROM
THE MICROWAVE WIRES AT ALL AND THE WATER TOO WHEN YOU TURN ON THE
MICROWAVE AT ALL BECAUSE IF YOU DO THEN YOU MIGHT DIE FROM THE 2100
V !!! THIS IS A DISCLAIMER AND A WARNING TO ALL WHO READS THIS SO YOU
ARE WARNED !!!

THOMAS
----------------------------

Dave45 · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2008, 11:59:35 PM »

Has anyone replicated this yet, is it hho or ?
Dave

Kator01 · « **Reply #9 on:** November 16, 2008, 01:23:05 AM »

Folks,

I have to warn you about the way this guy was performing this experiment :

2000 Volt at 60 or 50 Cycles/sec in a small glass with spoons ( ! ) is an absolute nogo for unexperienced persons.
When you open the microwave-ofen and touch the capacitor you will be dead for sure because it holds more than 2000 Volts.

I strongly suggest to do this experiment with new designed neon-transformers. They operate at 28 KHz. Here you will get 4000 Volt but the difference is you might "only" burn your fingers badly.

Hight voltage at grid-frequency is a very deangerous thing.

I do not understand that this suggestion is made to the public at all - without any stern warning about the danger involved.

Also this transformer has a power of 500 Watt at least and what I can understand from his description is that heÂ´s just got a few tiny bubbles - at what input-current ?

Regrads

Kator01

goldenequity · « **Reply #10 on:** November 16, 2008, 02:48:16 AM »

Agreed Kantor and thanks for pointing that out.

I want to also post a SERIOUS warning to all readers.
This is DANGEROUS s#it we are talking about here.
It can easily kill you with no apologies.... 2000 V from
a capacitor on the GRID will have NO MERCY.
If you don't fully understand and have EXPERIENCE....
let someone else explore this concept and nail down a
much safer way of achieving the effect.

Be patient and let this thing find it's own way in the
community of expertise that abounds on this forum.

Having said that.... I look forward hearing some results (good or bad)
back to this thread on any attempts at replicating this claim.
Be careful out there.
Randy

starcruiser · « **Reply #11 on:** November 16, 2008, 03:21:22 AM »

Quote from: HeairBear on November 15, 2008, 03:43:11 AM

So where do you think Stan hid the transducive material? Without a crystal or ceramic material, making a transducer is impossible as far as I know. I have done a great deal of research into ultrasonics and HHO but I couldn't find an inexpensive way to build a stainless steel tubular transducer. I think Lynnferd's experiment is great but I don't think it was the way Stan did it. But hey, I'll keep an open mind over it and see what happens. Go Lynnferd Grant!

Lynnferd, if your reading this, Shoot me a PM here at the forum. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on this topic.

I am thinking he resonated the tubes using the pulsing from his modified alternator. He was using DC with an AC component into his steel tubes, which resonate in the ultra sonic range. This would be the only way that would support the claims made by Lynnferd. Is this accurate? I am not sure, the only way to tell is to test this on the bench. Should we use a microwave oven to do this, I say no, unless you are well versed in high voltage. Otherwise try the transducer with a car coil as the HV source perhaps or another less lethal power source.

Do not get me wrong I think this has merit and deserves to be explored.

I wonder what if we used a laser diode which is pulsed at say 40khz to excite the water and then use a ignition coil to energize the water? Could that be the secret to the Stanley Myer HHO plug?

HeairBear · « **Reply #12 on:** November 16, 2008, 03:46:04 AM »

I was doing research in this field about a year ago and posted a bit in the "Piezoelectric" section of this forum. A less dangerous way to test this theory could be to use a signal generator, two stainless steel plates, and a suitable transducer or two in the shape of a round washer perhaps which can all be found on eBay if needed. The transducer should be conductively glued to one of the plates with silver epoxy or similar product. For example... positive>>>plate ]---water---[ plate/transducer>>>negative. you will have to tweek and experiment to find a good test build.

gotoluc · « **Reply #13 on:** November 16, 2008, 05:59:48 AM »

Hi Randy and all,

thanks for all the new detailed information you added Randy. I had some questions but now they are all answered. I am away from home till the 27th but as soon as I return I will test this. I did some searches on YouTube on Ultrasonic HHO to see if anyone has used this combination and found many but none seem to have used high voltage like Lynnferd tried.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

gotoluc · « **Reply #14 on:** November 16, 2008, 06:52:42 AM »

Quote from: Kator01 on November 16, 2008, 01:23:05 AM

Folks,

I strongly suggest to do this experiment with new designed neon-transformers. They operate at 28 KHz. Here you will get 4000 Volt
Regrads

Kator01

Hi Kator01,

thanks for posting about the safety concerns

I am interested in a 28 Khz transformer for an experiment. Do you know if they are Sine Wave or Square Wave? I'm looking for Sine Wave. If you know of a cheap one on eBay or somewhere please let me know since I'm not too sure which are the new designed neon-transformers since they don't mention anything about the 28 Khz frequency.

Thanks for sharing

Luc

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