Hi all,

just a quck answer - because I am pretty busy - so you do not get impatient with all your enthousiasm.

@Luc : I am living in germany and a I might be of no help in finding these transformers in the US, but I will post some pics and some further hints. These transformers are used by any shopt which has outdoor neon-lights for its shopname etc for an eyecatcher during nightime. They usually have a powerrate of about 120 Watts. More later.


@goldenequity : I missed you in the emulsifier-thread. Are there any news on this subject ? I was sending a private message to Kampen asking about companies where he got this stuff from - but he simply did not answer to the point.

Sonoluminiscence is of utmost importance to the electrolysis-process. I do not think that you can break or stretch the Water-Molecule with ultrasonics. You will need much higher frequencies up into to infrared and ultravilolet range. Sonoluminsicence is just doing this - it creates UV. But energy is absorbed quickly by the surrounding water. Water absorbes UV-frequency.

It will be a very interesting experiment to combine this. A scientist once sent me a paper on sonoluminsicence. It was found that it even occurs at 10 KHz - but it is so weak and quick in appearance ( pico-seconds ) that it goes by unnoticed.

I come back later

Kator01

Very interesting topic, it ties in with an experiment done in 1965 by Doctor X  http://keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm

Hi Luc,

look here for neon-transformers:

http://www.1000bulbs.com/Neon-Transformers/

I use this search-engine here :

http://clusty.com/search?input-form=clusty-simple&v%3Asources=webplus&query=

The 100bulbs.com was among the top ten entrances. Hope this helps.

Another word of caution :

if you ever come to the point of experimenting with high-voltage electrodes immersed in water you should know that water can hold high-voltage-charge for some hours at least. So you might get a heavy shock just touching the water after experimenting ( i.e. power-supply switched off ). You will need an isolated electrode with which to ground the water at least 10 seconds and then repeat this grounding  3 times because the charge recoveres

Kator01

Hi Luc,

absolutly no need of beeing embarrased as I only had to shoot these two pics. As you do - I do not hold back any knowledge or experiences I made in the past.

Now the key-question here is : Do we need DC-High voltage or does it work with the 28 khz ? I do not know.

But in case that we need dc we have to add a rectifier-circuit especially designed for this frequency.
Although this information is in german language you find this circuit here :

http://www.hcrs.at/

Go to the blue Link :  "Elektronikseiten" then  - > "40kV Labornetzgerät" and scroll down to the last wo pictures, where you find the schematic "Gesamtaufbau" .. and pay attention to the rectangular frame on the far right of the circuit. This is the rectifier.

But i will upload it here.

Now something else here concerning ultrasonics. I have done some extensive research two years ago on ultrasoning degassing-techniques. I found very good information concerning the frequency applied for this. One german company explained in detail why the humidifier-transducer dont work for this.

The Ultrasonic wavelength of humidifier-transducers ( 1.3 MegaHertz)  is too short - so the bubbles are trapped between the wave-pressure-maxima and cannot escape. I personally have tested this- and it is true. Therefore pulsed 40 KHz  is used for active outgassing. They pulse the 4o Khz - vibration with about 1 KHz or so. In this way bubbles are given the time to rise to the surface. I have to reread that stuff because I can imagine that you have to even go slower than this 1 KHz..

So you see there are many things to know before starting with experiments. I hope that this info helps saving time and effort.

In the meanwhile ( because of the maas-break-down of chinese companies)  there should be a lot of electronic scrap accumulating in most of the countries which imported these ultrasonic cleaners ( jewlery-cleaner)  from China, so you may find this at those companies which are dealing with this scap-stuff. I myself have rescued more than 5 of these devices and could repair some of them if the transducer was not broken.

Scrap-market-news here ( the wheel truns backwards, so to say ):

http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/1384067.html

and here somthing off topic but related to the above :

http://www.investmentu.com/IUEL/2008/November/baltic-dry-index.html

.. and for realtime-grafic of the baltic Dry Index you go here :

http://www.wikinvest.com/stock/Baltic_Dry_Index_-_BDI_(BALDRY)/WikiChart

Is´nt that interesting ?

Regards

Kator01

@Luc/Kantor/all
Luc is referencing the Keely experiments (late 1800's) which this "Doctor X" was apparently replicating (1965)....
As referenced above by Dave45 (thankyou  ) ; note the frequency.... thanks Luc for NOTING that about the jewelery cleaners!
http://keelynet.com/energy/docx.htm

A recent (1965) possible verification of the frequency Keely used to dissociate water into etheric force was related to me by a scientist when we were discussing certain aspects of free energy. He wishes to remain anonymous for obvious reasons, but his name is on file. I have no other verification of this experiment, however I believe it merits telling.

The scientist, I shall call him Dr. X, was doing experiments with ultrasonic sound in a column of water. The object of the experiments was to devise a means of separating various densities of materials by injecting them into a column of water which was subjected to an ultrasonic standing wave vibration. The experimental setup is sketched in Figure 3-3 (for BBS considerations a description follows).

A Barium Titanate ultrasonic transducer was fixed to the bottom of a quartz tube which was closed at the bottom and open at the top. Pure water was poured into the tube and the water column was "tuned" so that a standing wave was produced at 40,000 CPS (cycles per second). The transducer was powered by a 700 Watt power amplifier which was driven by an ultrasonic frequency generator.

Because of the large amount of power put into the column of water a certain amount of evaporation took place at a constant rate when the transducer was energized. Therefore, to maintain a standing wave in the water column a feedback device caused the frequency to be raised as the water evaporated and the temperature changed.

As a test, Dr. X decided to run through the experiment with only water in the tube to insure that a standing wave was maintained as the water evaporated and the frequency rose higher and higher. When the experiment was started everything worked beautifully.

Dr. X took periodic readings of his instrumentation and was assured that the standing wave was being maintained. Suddenly, with no warning whatever the water disappeared from the open quartz tube. He looked up thinking to see the water splashed on the ceiling when to his amazement a clean hole went right through the ceiling. The hole was the same size as the inside of the quartz tube.

Further investigation showed the hole continued on through the roof also! Dr. X checked his notebook and found the last frequency entry to be 41,300 CPS. It was shortly after this that the water disappeared.

Because of the time interval between the last reading and the disappearing water, the frequency sent to the transducer was higher than the last reading and Dr. X said it could well have been very close to 42,800 CPS, the Keely dissociation frequency. (11)

This obviously dangerous event caused Dr. X to dismantle the equipment and try some other approach to his problem. This experiment points the way to the use of our modern technology in conjunction with Keely's laws of dissociation to change matter into energy without the use of radioactive materials or extremely expensive atomic accelerators.
In Keely's experiments with water dissocation in the late 1800's, on many occasions he had explosions that burst iron tubes and in one case blew out the side of his lab. He wound up in the hospital with broken ribs and major bruises.

The iron pipes had a needle size hole through 1" and 2" thick iron, which were burst like balloons. Measurements of the force produced from water dissociation based on his experiments quoted "3 drops of water, instantaneously dissociated (in a spherical chamber) to produce 29,000 pounds per square inch".

Hi all,

the attached picture is a screenshot of a book published at sribd :

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7343552/sonoluminescence

Hope you will get the idea.

Kator01

Thanks for ALL your input Kator.
Are you planning any experimentation /replications?