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Offline resonanceman

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2008, 01:45:27 AM »

 

in my idea i would use a butane torch to heat up the two rods, because it will need a lot of current to melt the rods, with a torch and only a few current with high voltage would be enough


Drannon

Are you talkiing about  preheating  the  rods with a torch ?
I don't see any way to use a torch for the final heating  unless  we throw out  the  ceramic  bead.
Personally I think  the bead is what makes it  practical .


The big questing I have is  how pressure  will  affect  the process .
I drew the  bead  pretty  thick    It  should  be able to  handle  fairly high  pressures if  high pressures helps  the crystal forming process.     
The one thing I am sure that we would have to avoid .      If high  pressures are used  the  carbon  side  would need some kind of  seal .    I think the  semi molten  iron  would seal  the iron  side. (There would  always be  some  semi molten  iron between the  melted and unmelted  parts 
If  the  melted iron would   seep  along  the  carbon  rod it would short the whole thing out.


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you are very good, that system will allow to make many experiences with many type of rods, and with only few hundreds of cristallized layer

all this theory is base on the statement from the electrinium that is an easy way to do an electrinium with steel, we have to imagine what means : very easy

then if two rods does not work we will have to try with a little piece of steel (iron-carbon), as a complete compound to cristallize while putting high voltage

then anyone will be able to replicate such an easy way if we got a working device



I agree that steal could be  tested ......maybe other  combination's  or metals too .   

Any idea  if  aluminium could  be matched  with another  metal ?   

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2008, 03:37:23 AM »
Hi!

I saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.

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In patents online there is a patent that has some recipes to make batteries, the ingredients may be useful by solidifying them somehow. They are not radioactive.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4390605.html

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2008, 10:40:39 AM »
Hi!

Found it:  http://www.borderlands.de/energy.reid.php3
It is in german though.

Jesus

Hi Jesus

i am pretty sure that this device has been studied in the Crystal Hutchison Cell topic, i remember the name so i may be wrong, if so there is many posts on that there, and much pictures

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I saw in how it's made, how a chain is made, and they used the idea you have of pressing the two parts to be joined together, but without any mold, just pressure and high voltage or current.

heuuu that is wonderfull, thank you, a good clue to confirm the resonanceman idea, the butane torch will not be required anymore hahahah


Hi resonanceman, i know my english is not good enough, i will try to make it clear, to grow any crystal you have to dissolve something into some kind of liquid, in the steel (no liquid) we have to make it red hot to get a free move of the iron atoms and the carbon atoms, it's look like as if they can turn (rotate) on themselves in any direction

from my point of view to cristallize steel we do not need a constant pressure, just a good pressure to melt and match them together, then the pressure must be release for the cooling time, the flow of current will make iron atoms and carbon atoms rotate in the right way, then the cooling let them stay in their position

the two atoms must come near together than in normal cooling process (high voltage), that is creating an overdensity compound among an universe in an equilibrium

so the atoms of iron and the atoms of carbon will get more dense than separatly

so it is not a normal crystallization !! the high voltage will push the 2 atoms much near than it is possible in a normal crystallization

if we let red hot steel cristallize without high voltage, it will crystallize as well, not in the same crystalline structure


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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2008, 10:53:37 AM »
Hey Jesus !

thank you for the big pdf file, while seraching for the word '' pyramid '' in it i found the complete Flavio Thomas Tragower plan ! from 2005 ! before the dinsinformation had begin, so it is possible that this file has very specific details on the Thomas's pyramid !!

i hope Nitinnu to see that, shall i try to find the right page among the 1795 pages ! and take it out there to put it in the Thomas's topic, i will read it

i feel that is really good

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #64 on: September 24, 2008, 12:23:38 PM »
Hi resonanceman

what about alluminium ?

from electrinium.pdf

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To produce Electrinium Compound two diverse elements must be united and become a compound
which will be of one body, carrying both the positive and the nega t ive forces. The atom that carries
the positive electrical force will be a small atom, of great density and weight. The atom that carries
the negative force would be a larger atom of sparse density and light weight. The only difference
between the positive and the nega t ive is in size, weight and their electrical charge, and the electrical
charge of these two atoms is equal to each other in force under the law of electrical balance and
their position as positive and negative is relative. If the two chosen atoms were Silver and Iron,
the Iron atom would be the negative. But if Iron was paired up with a much lighter element, then
the Iron would be the positive.


We have learned in the preceding chapters that Nature produces the
flow of electrical current by the expansion or contraction of the atoms and molecules. A mass of
atoms or molecules that are expanded above normal size becomes a mass of lesser force surrounded
by a mass of greater force. A mass of molecules when compressed to a smaller size becomes a
mass of greater force surrounded by a mass of lesser force. Electrinium Compound will become
a mass of greater force surrounded by a lesser force. We can do this by combining a small positive
atom with a large negative atom into a single molecule which will occupy less space than the two
atoms occupied separately. This puts a greater force within a smaller body than is commonly
found in the electrical circuit which is composed of single atoms.
Most of the compounds on Earth are of this nature but the only ones that could be considered
Electrinium Compound would be ones that have the physical properties of allowing them to be
incorporated within a very hard body of good conductivity and aligned in a series electrically. Fo r
instance, wa t e r, H20, is a compound molecule and there is eight times difference in size and weight
in the atoms from which it is produced, but there is no way it could be tightly encased within an
extremely hard body of good conductivity and still be aligned in a series electrically. There are ove r
one hundred elements of the Earth and in time many combinations will be formed and bodies found
for them, but at this time only a few can be considered. One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord. The great violence of some chemical
r e a c t i o n s is really the electrical reaction caused by the vibrations in great discord.
All the elements and the process of manufacture to make an Electrinium Unit must be selected
at one time because each factor is so closely related to all others and must match perfectly to
obtain a working unit.
All of the elements must have a harmonious life vibration. The vibrations
of the positive and negative elements must, when compounded, yield a Compound that will be in
harmony with the life vibrations of the material selected for the body of the Unit. The expansion
contraction factors must be near enough to each other that in the finished Electrinium Unit the
Electrinium molecules are tightly encased. If, in the cooling process, the Electrinium Molecules
contract more than the unit body material leaving the Electrinium molecules loosely held, the
compound must be discarded. In a finished successful unit the Compound molecules will be held
within the Unit like in a straight-jacket. The Unit will be of an extreme hardness and of good to
excellent conductivity. A Unit of poor conductivity will heat and destroy itself.

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #65 on: September 24, 2008, 05:49:32 PM »
Hi resonanceman

what about alluminium ?

from electrinium.pdf


Drannon

I read  your quote 2 times I didn't see anything  directly relating to aluminum.

One thing it brought  up that  indirectly  applies to aluminum  is  thermal  expansion .
Aluminum has a fairly high  expansion rate.   

If  it is desired to  use  2 metals  with very different  expansion factors it may be possible  to  use a "bundle " of  wires or  whiskers if the metal  with the higher melting  point.
The  greater the  difference in  expansion factor the smaller the  wires would have to be.

I remember reading about a lab that  grew whiskers from many kinds  of metals .   I am pretty sure that they would  be  in crystal form .   I didn't bookmark it because at the time I couldn't imagine  any  use for  metal whiskers


Does anyone know  if  both metals  have to be in crystal form?   It would be much easier if  the higher temp  metal didn't  have to be a crystal .



To me this  seems to be  important

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One of the considerations will be the wavelength
or life vibration of the pair. If they are not in harmony the life of the produced molecule will
be of short nature, nothing can exist very long in discord.


Any idea about   how to  be sure that the different  metals are in harmany?


gary

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #66 on: September 24, 2008, 06:23:48 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Here is an idea.  Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium?  Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder.  Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together.  This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery.  The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side.  Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #67 on: September 24, 2008, 07:05:31 PM »
Howdy Y'all,

Here is an idea.  Why not use thin sheets of material to form the Electrinium?  Alternate thin sheets (like foil) of iron and silver and then bond them together with a high current pulse, like a spot welder.  Make the electrodes on the spot welder the same shape as the stacks of iron and silver foil, then apply the high current pulse to activate and bond the materials together.  This way the metals themselves hold the form of the battery.  The opposite ends of the battery are the dissimilar metals, iron on the negative side and the silver on the plusitive side.  Then all you have to do is spot weld some electrodes on the ends to make wire connections...

Blessed Be...

Z Monkey

It might  be possible ...........but it  wouldn't  be  as easy as you described.

If  simply spot welding  dissimilar  metals  sometimes  made  electinium   I would think  that  it would have been noticed .    I would expect  something  like  the  spot weld corroding  at a different rate than  the base metals .


I would think that  a  HV / LV  thing  like  in  the water arc thread might work .
The  HV could  form  the weld  then  the LV would  delay  the cooling  long enough  for  enough   crystals to form . 
Something  I learned reading  about  nuclear  resonance imaging  is   that  each molecule  responds to  a magnetic field at its own  unique  speed. It seems to me that   the speed  of the  molecules realigning  themselves to the  voltage would have to be taken into account .


If  it could be made to work  a production line  of  small cells would relatively  be easy  to make .


gary

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« Reply #68 on: September 24, 2008, 07:36:22 PM »
Howdy Resonanceman,

Like you and Drannom were discussing earlier this can be proven with a single junction.  The idea of using a high current pulse to make the bond then low current to allow crystals to form while slowing the cooling of the bond seems valid.  I think we need to keep Mr. Summera's document in mind.  It seems to be the gospel on this topic.  The crystal is formed with the silicon mixture.  This is why we were going to make a molten mixture, then start the crystallization process with a silicon seed.  The crystal is formed first and then the crystal is later reheated to align the Electrinium.  I don't think two dissimilar metals are going to form a crystal by themselves.  It seems to me that in order to form metal crystals it would require a high temperature annealing process.  Then again I am only an amateur metallurgist, and mainly work with soft metals like lead, tin, silver and copper.  I know a little about iron.  When iron is first refined it is called pig iron, very soft and ductile.  The more you heat it and process it the harder it gets, and ultimately you wind up with crystallized iron which is superhard and brittle but it takes a lot of heat to get to the crystallized point...

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Re: Electrinium
« Reply #69 on: September 24, 2008, 07:38:14 PM »
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this






The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm

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« Reply #70 on: September 24, 2008, 07:43:04 PM »
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this

The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm

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« Reply #71 on: September 24, 2008, 08:08:52 PM »
Hi!

It makes me happy that some of my findings has been of help to some people!

I stumble with an information of a battery already made that is under tests. It looks like this






The address is http://www.vakuumenergie.de/energy/english/crystagg/index.htm

My first impression  when I looked at the picture of the battery is " that is the  ugliest  battery  I have ever seen . " 





The last  sentence on  that link is impressive .
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We have observed that these units decline in power during the first few weeks and months, but after a while they stabilize and do not run down completely. Even continuing dead shorts over several years (4-years is longest test) can not kill these units.


Maybe ugly is good

 ;D

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« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2008, 08:12:52 PM »
The Electrinium document is so obviously a hoax with all the talk of aliens and Tesla.

Points of fact:

1. "Arthur P. Summera" exists only in this document. No trace of him in the real world. Nobody has identified how this document was published online decades after it was written in 1980.

2. The Springfield, Oregon address on the front cover doesn't exist.

3. Arthur must have had a time machine if he wrote that in 1980. The PDF properties say it was created in 2001 using Quark Xpress on a Macintosh, but it is clearly not a scan of an older document given the modern layout and embedded text. I guess the file was just lying around for 21 years?

4. The doc mentions the 'The Universarium Foundation of Portland' a 60's cult of crackpot channelers and the World University in Arizona (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_University). Whoever wrote it had a good knowledge of the OU/UFO scene, and may be even someone trying to restart this cult.


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« Reply #74 on: September 24, 2008, 08:32:51 PM »
Howdy WizardofMars,

Well, if it is not our resident debunker out to spoil another good theory.  I guess you didn't even read the document.  You apparently do not see the value of building a battery on a molecular level in a rigid container which allows the catalysts to remain aligned without using electrolytes to hasten a reaction.  This document makes perfect sense to me.  I have no doubt that there is a workable product in here.

WizardofMars, go spread your poison elsewhere, I am reporting you to the moderator...

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