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Author Topic: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion  (Read 20944 times)

Sprocket

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 04:56:11 AM »
With the right size mass, and the right strength magnets, with the perfect amount of length, and a perfect amount of angle, you can plow through the gate. :D

I have already done it.

If you need more power, did you know that your mass is creating electricity as it is going through the v-gate? Channel that electricity to the other side, and power an electromagnet, weak or not.

A horizonal circle is the best bet. Just like the back srubber style.

:D

Are you saying that you have closed the loop using v-gates - ie. perpetual motion?  If so, a video would be nice...

resonanceman

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2008, 05:48:30 AM »
Not sure what is going on there, but like I said before, if the Vs are arranged in order of increasing strength, then yes, you can escape a weaker V in favor of a stronger one.  The fact that the author of the video did not show a circle of Vs speaks volumes.  This concept cannot work.


Why is it that   a skeptical  viewpoint here  carries weight   with no  proof ...............but   a belief that  something  works  requires proof?   

My  examples   both  show   magnets  traveling  smoothly   between    Vs   there is no evidence that the   latter  Vs are stronger . 

The  fact that they are not  full circles  only means that they are not  full circles  ....... No  proof that  they can't  work in full circles   can  be  taken  from the video   just because they are not    set up in full circles  ............

I have noticed that   people  working at suppressing an idea often take 1% evidence and  call it  100% proof that it won't  work  .................All to often they are believed   .


gary

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2008, 10:14:27 AM »
utilitarian, why so hostile?


ragnew

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2008, 03:48:13 PM »
Hey guys,

Please forgive my ignorance as my interest is way greater than my knowledge.

I just found this little track video with V shaped magnets.
The cart seems to go past the point of the V.

http://fdp.nu/shared/files/Calloways%20Perendev/CallVtrak2.MPG

Rich

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2008, 05:15:52 PM »
utilitarian, why so hostile?



- check his past posts - he is an out-and-out sceptic, with any positive feedback almost always including a cautionary side-note.

The real question you should be asking is what's the real purpose of him and his ilk - check out Archer Quinn's thread and the back-posts of a few of the prominent critics there - you should notice they joined this forum specifically to debunk Archer - some have many dozens of posts, all critical, and are posting to no other threads!

imo - all paid debunkers... 

SINEWAVE

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2008, 05:31:39 PM »
thank you for that note, i have tried doing a user search a few days ago, but the function did not retrieve any results.

there is no reason for a skeptic to be on this forum, why would they waste their time here?

resonanceman

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2008, 06:07:18 PM »
Hey guys,

Please forgive my ignorance as my interest is way greater than my knowledge.

I just found this little track video with V shaped magnets.
The cart seems to go past the point of the V.

http://fdp.nu/shared/files/Calloways%20Perendev/CallVtrak2.MPG

Rich

Rich

Yes     It  does  go past  the point of the V  .............If   you listen to  some people here that is impossible .

Of  course  everything  with technology  is impossible  until  someone  figures out  how to  do it .

gary

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2008, 06:22:36 PM »
- check his past posts - he is an out-and-out sceptic, with any positive feedback almost always including a cautionary side-note.

The real question you should be asking is what's the real purpose of him and his ilk - check out Archer Quinn's thread and the back-posts of a few of the prominent critics there - you should notice they joined this forum specifically to debunk Archer - some have many dozens of posts, all critical, and are posting to no other threads!

imo - all paid debunkers... 


Personally  I think  that   the fervor  that  Utilitarian  showed is a sine  that there is  alot  of promise   in this  idea

Another  line I  expect to pop up soon is that ALL  magnetic motors demagnatise the magnets ........... maybe some do .......but  such a broad  generalization  is  kind of like saying  " if man was meant  to fly he would have wings .......... we got  plenty of wings now ........


Personally I  don't think that most of these  guys are paid  debunkers  .........I don't see them as smart enough .
I think they  are just people  with a little  education...........and LOTS of ego .

In my opinion  the paid debunkers would be much harder to  spot . 
I think it was Stallen that said ..... the best way to  control  the resistance is to lead it  yourself .
I would  expect the  paid  debunkers to  actually be helpful most of the time ......... it would  be with  the  few critical points  needed to  get it right that they would  stear   you  wrong .


gary   

spinner

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2008, 09:42:13 PM »
(resonance)
"Why is it that  a skeptical  viewpoint here  carries weight   with no  proof ...............but   a belief that  something  works  requires proof?   

My  examples   both  show   magnets  traveling  smoothly   between    Vs   there is no evidence that the   latter  Vs are stronger . 

The  fact that they are not  full circles  only means that they are not  full circles  ....... No  proof that  they can't  work in full circles   can  be  taken  from the video   just because they are not    set up in full circles  ............

I have noticed that   people  working at suppressing an idea often take 1% evidence and  call it  100% proof that it won't  work  .................All to often they are believed   .
gary"

(Sprocket)
"... - check his past posts - he is an out-and-out sceptic, with any positive feedback almost always including a cautionary side-note.

The real question you should be asking is what's the real purpose of him and his ilk - check out Archer Quinn's thread and the back-posts of a few of the prominent critics there - you should notice they joined this forum specifically to debunk Archer - some have many dozens of posts, all critical, and are posting to no other threads!

imo - all paid debunkers...  "

(SINEWAVE)
"... there is no reason for a skeptic to be on this forum, why would they waste their time here?"

(resonance)
"... Another  line I  expect to pop up soon is that ALL  magnetic motors demagnatise the magnets ........... maybe some do .......but  such a broad  generalization  is  kind of like saying  " if man was meant  to fly he would have wings .......... we got  plenty of wings now ........

Personally I  don't think that most of these  guys are paid  debunkers  .........I don't see them as smart enough .
I think they  are just people  with a little  education...........and LOTS of ego .

In my opinion  the paid debunkers would be much harder to  spot . 
I think it was Stallen that said ..... the best way to  control  the resistance is to lead it  yourself .
I would  expect the  paid  debunkers to  actually be helpful most of the time ......... it would  be with  the  few critical points  needed to  get it right that they would  stear   you  wrong .
gary "


So sad.... And you really believe what you wrote?  :(

utilitarian

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2008, 10:02:10 PM »
Paid debunker?  You think there are paying jobs for debunkers?  Not much money in that racket, sorry.

Hate to break the news, but magnets simply do not work the way you guys are proposing.  Good luck with your circular V tracks.  Notice how none of the videos ever have a circle.  Wonder why?  Because their little series of Vs or whatever the shapes are have a perpetually increasing magnetic pull with each successive step.  When the circle is made, you obviously have to return to the first and weakest stage, and so motion stops.  Happens every single time.


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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2008, 10:03:00 PM »
@One
what type of magnets did you use and what size,amount,pull force?

any info would help

Jerryx

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 12:16:11 AM »
The Key to perpetual motion is the pendulum fulcrum.

http://www.freewebs.com/boltoncomputers/PM.htm

SINEWAVE

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 06:17:57 AM »
Paid debunker?  You think there are paying jobs for debunkers?  Not much money in that racket, sorry.

Because their little series of Vs or whatever the shapes are have a perpetually increasing magnetic pull with each successive step.



so your saying a howard johnson car toy wont work?

want proof of a debunker?

copy and paste this into Google, it will be the first result: and 'Big Oil Rep's" last statement at the bottom of the page, of about 5-6.

keywords:   big oil rep audioman

of course someone will say, he's not really a debunker.


utilitarian

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 07:17:34 AM »
so your saying a howard johnson car toy wont work?

want proof of a debunker?

copy and paste this into Google, it will be the first result: and 'Big Oil Rep's" last statement at the bottom of the page, of about 5-6.

keywords:   big oil rep audioman

of course someone will say, he's not really a debunker.

OK, how dense are you?  I have read many topics in that forum, and the guy with the "Big Oil Rep" nick is a long time and respected member there.  The nick is meant to be satirical, and the post where he admits to being a paid debunker is an obvious joke.

I do think what he said was pretty funny: suppressing OU devices is no harder than suppressing pixies.

And did you even read what he said.  The speed at which things spread on the Internet makes any attempts at suppression futile.  Things can get copied and pasted millions times in one day.  The cost of reproduction is nil.  Try suppressing that.

And since when telling people not to read something or not to believe in something have that desired effect?

mapsrg

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Re: The Key To Perpetual Mechanical Motion
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 07:57:54 AM »
Ive always thought that the V gate itself should be mounted to a wheel along the edge(where you would normally mount a tire,so it must be wide) and fix bars postioned around the circumference at 1,2,3...12 oclock so the V gate has multiple drives along it to push it past any fixing points.Has anyone tried this??????