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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 09:35:18 AM »
Why we did not get by the inventors and media some promotion about this "Power Amplifier" invention :

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/jsonline/obituary.aspx?pid=160504829

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 09:35:18 AM »

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2016, 12:34:27 PM »
lancaIV,

I don't see any power amplifier at your link. That is an obituary, which mentions the invention of "passive magnetic and dielectric amplifiers". There are countless passive amplifiers, one of them is the transformer. It amplifies either current or voltage if desired, but it is not a power amplifier. A passive amplifier does not mean it is a passive power amplifier.

You have also listed many patents, but giving no thorough explanation about why you are listing them. What is good in them and what is bad. My German is a bit rusty after decades of not using it, so I will not venture to read them. Did any of your listed patents contain an explicit claim that it produces excess power or energy?

There is a widespread misconception among the FE researchers, who think that it is a wise thing to patent an FE device by simply not claiming that it produces free energy, and hoping that this way it will slip under the radar. They think that once the device is patented, no one else can patent the same again, and forbid everyone else to use it.

It can slip through the system of censorship this way, sure. But if the inventor does not claims explicitly that it produces more output power than what it consumes, and that one of the purposes of the invention is exactly the generation of excess energy; then anybody can patent the same device again for this specific purpose, of generating excess energy. Then he can simply lock it away and forbid everyone else to use that device in mass production for generating excess energy. Therefore such a tactic is useless for protecting an FE invention, if one intends to use it as an FE generator.

The judges also asked Mr. Vajda, to please remove the explicit claim from the patent application, that it generates excess energy, and that it violates the law of energy conservation. Then they would have considered to grant him the patent. But Janos told them that if he removes this claim from his patent, then what is the purpose of the device? What is the practical usefulness of the invention? And he was completely right, one should not be shy and afraid to say that "the king is naked" if he is indeed naked.

If the purpose of a patent is only to claim priority for the invention, and offer a channel of accessibility via the patent registry, then is is also good enough to just have a patent application. It is better to have a denied patent application, which claims the truth about excess energy, than having a granted patent about an FE generator which does not claim to produce FE.



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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2016, 01:10:38 PM »
ZL, United States Patent 8653903 , invented and applied 2012 by  ..... ?
Compare : http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/jsonline/obituary.aspx?pid=160504829


"You have also listed many patents, but giving no thorough explanation about why you are listing them. What is good in them and what is bad. My German is a bit rusty after decades of not using it, so I will not venture to read them. Did any of your listed patents contain an explicit claim that it produces excess power or energy?"

Probably there is a FE device device ,developed by Dr.Pavel Imris,ready to demonstration,
translated the application description and an example value,  from german to english:
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=102013021483&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en


For example, in row 3 140 V voltage and 6.66 amperes reactive current. At 50 Hz frequency, the reactive power 935 VA and the active power is 850 W. The effective power in the capacitive windings 3, 25, 26 is 24.31 W. All other rows in Table 1 demonstrate the physical and technical function of the invention further , The experimental data in Table 1 illustrate the relationship between the energy used (column g), and the output energy (column f) in the present electrical generator. In technical terms, which is a ratio of energy output to energy input, also called efficiency. The power of the generator according to the invention are professionals in today's state of the art more opposite than skeptical. It is important to know that the physical and CONSULT TECHNICAL feature of this generator is part of a discovery in the field mass-energy relationship. The delivered electrical energy, as documented in Table 1, is one of forms of energy that are not yet known and for many no power size is defined yet, but they are there, really exist and are economically viable for all mankind.

The economic advantages of the invention described herein are readily detectable for any expert. The use of this electric generator is everywhere in business, where electric power is needed. Finally, this energy is clean, does not pollute the environment and it is cheap.




ZL,about your concernings FE and overunity-limit related there is the solution to not applying a patent but only to apply the device as utility model,the disadvantage is the shorter validation of the claims ! But utility models does not get patent office peer-examination !




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Probably a kind of Ankvich-amplifier.

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2016, 02:55:36 PM »
ZL, United States Patent 8653903 , invented and applied 2012 by  ..... ?
Compare : http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/jsonline/obituary.aspx?pid=160504829

OK, I got your point now. The man in the obituary is one of the inventors of the patent, which is the subject of this thread. Are you convinced that his invention generates FE as described in his patent? Are you willing to test it, either in computer simulation or by building a prototype?

Did you, or anyone you trust has replicated the cited device of Dr Imris? If yes, then did it really generate excess energy as claimed?

There is no shortage of patents, and non patented inventions which promise excess energy generation, either explicitly or implicitly. I have got also a big pile of such material printed on paper, and gigabytes in digital format. Most of them are practically useless in reality; they don't generate any significant quantity of FE (if any at all).

What is rare to find, and sorely missing is reliable and trustworthy proof that these really generate FE, in the form of mathematical proof, or even better as independent replications from honest people, who are not the undercover agents of the energy cartel. Before anybody suggests the site of Naudin (and his ilk), who claims to do just that; just take a look at his MEG replication pages, and then read the comments of honest people about that replication at the link already posted, but here it is again:

http://u2.lege.net/newebmasters.com__freeenergy/external_links_from_phact.org/z/bearden.htm

These comments were made in 2003, and some of the commentators have also warned Naudin about the mistake in his measurement setup. Now it is 2016 and after 13 years did Naudin correct the mistake, and announce the MEG to be fraud? No! So then what does this mean? Should I spell it out? I think it is not necessary...


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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2016, 04:39:08 PM »
For example this comment:

Matthew Zenkar  wrote:
> It would seem that there is no disagreement that Naudin's claim of
> veryifing the MEG is questionable at best, and some find Naudin's
> procedure outright incorrect.

Absolutely. I looked at his stuff a while ago, fully expecting to spend a lot of time searching for something really subtle. So I felt a little cheated when I quickly found a blatant, really elementary error.

To measure the output current of his MEG, he used a 10 ohm shunt resistor. To this he connected an oscilloscope set to display current with a a scale factor of 1000 mA per volt. This gave him current (and output power) readings that were about 10x too high! When you correct for this error, it quickly becomes clear that MEG is a simple transformer operating well below unity. Nothing unusual is happening here.

Naudin actually conceded that he sensed something was wrong with his measurements, as his computed output power was greatly in excess of what his resistive load could safely handle. Yet instead of checking his technique, he simply handwaved the discrepancy away by saying that the excess power must be leaving as electromagnetic radiation! Incredible.

I've gotten myself effectively banned from two MEG-related Yahoo groups, intalek and MEG_builders, by pointing out these mistakes in Naudin's work. Those guys are not at all interested in the truth; theirs is a church, not a scientific research group. Bearden is God, Naudin is the Son of God, and no heresy will be tolerated on pain of excommunication and banishment.

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2016, 04:39:08 PM »
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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2016, 05:11:21 PM »
"Are you convinced that his invention generates FE as described in his patent?  "             Yes !
"Are you willing to test it, either in computer simulation or by building a prototype? "        Actually : No !


The patent US8653903 describes a magnetic amplifier concept and this 300% gain only reachable with a cascading step up gain array !
Prior development: http://www.google.com/patents/US7528795




"Did you, or anyone you trust has replicated the cited device of Dr Imris? "
Not this device but based the capacitive winding there has been two projects here in Portugal,one with Dr.Imris as contractual partner.


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The JL Naudin Lab has been one of the first "open source" ideas research and examination organ which delivered details about prototyping
and technical effects of these devices !
There is and was ever the possibility to give better advices or corrections about trial errors !


Research & Development needs time and financial sources and mental concentration and this is often the only limit to get the wished results !

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2016, 07:13:32 PM »
hey lancaIV
have you got any reference to those "capacitive windings" ? (apart the tesla bifilar coil)
very interested, would appreciate your input on this matter
cheers

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2016, 07:13:32 PM »
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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2016, 07:49:37 AM »
The JL Naudin Lab has been one of the first "open source" ideas research and examination organ which delivered details about prototyping and technical effects of these devices !
There is and was ever the possibility to give better advices or corrections about trial errors !

Research & Development needs time and financial sources and mental concentration and this is often the only limit to get the wished results !

These sentences of yours, all ending with exclamation marks, show that you are passionately trying to hide the truth, and defend Naudin. But there is a language barrier between us, because I don't seem to clearly understand, exactly what you mean to say. Therefore lets clarify your standpoint on these subjects a bit.

Do you believe that the MEG generates FE as Bearden claimed?
Did you replicate the MEG and performed measurements on it? If yes, then with what results?
Do you believe that the MEG replication measurement of Naudin is correct?
Do you believe that those who criticized the MEG and its replication by Naudin (at the link I gave) are liars?

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2016, 10:31:11 AM »
ZL, I wrote about the -JL Naudin Lab work and demonstrations 1997-2013 http://jnaudin.free.fr  -in geral and not especially MEG related !


A 2016 standpoint view and opinion is incorrect cause when Naudin began with his Net-Lab there has not been many sources to get
technical advice/help about FE devices/energy converter and replication (alternative : University institutes ) !


Without team work you will get nothing in our world !
Or can you -in personal union- do your own research and develop and fabricate and deliver your then -ready to use- device worldwide without the help of other ? And this all by your own finance ? Will you satisfy the 7 billions habitants energy demand ? Fast and save ?


Neither you nor the Forbes Top 500 list members can this !


I heared from an Ex-CS-consultant (for really rich-billionaers- bank clients) that some of these list members (who has been informated by him,he knowing them ) has been interested to get the here in Portugal developed results demonstrated,
this consultant has been present in a several hours demonstration using the -capacitive winding-device effect !


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                      Up to 97% conversion (heat) wave-to-electric efficiency ,carbon/graphit cell,developed 1982 in the G.D.R. !
                                           Actually the Nantennas are in the 80% range,I think so !

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 11:49:10 AM »
lancaIV,

You did not answer any of my questions from my last post.
This post of yours is just adding more irrelevant excuses to those in your previous post.
The purpose of my questions is to dispel the fog created by such irrelevant excuses, and create clarity.

Please answer those questions, and then we can discuss further.

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 11:49:10 AM »
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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2016, 12:14:12 PM »
ZL, there is mainly a monologue going on in this tread but also on the whole German OU website.
Alvaro, watch this tread for capacitive windings at the German OU website.
http://www.overunity.de/1486/kapazitiver-transformator/msg45138/#msg45138
Some links lead you further to explanations in english on this theme.
Capacitive windings and capacitive transformers are indeed very interesting.




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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2016, 12:33:22 PM »
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megjln01.htm


experiment result : The power OUTPUT increase of 53.6% while the power INPUT increase of 0.35%when the magnet is added at one side of the ferrite rod...

experiment result: The power OUTPUT on a 100 ohms resistor is13.78mWwithout magnet
The power INPUT is 853.2mW without magnet.

experiment result: The power output on a 100 ohms resistor is 30.39mWwith the magnet
The power INPUT is 856.2mWwith the magnet

experiments and results do interest me and the repeatability and not names or titles.


And here the "Pseudo-M.E.G." output - as shown- is ever under input.           C.O.P. < 1

But one result is real ::)  : with magnets included there is a better result  ;D

http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megdsqth.htm
Writing about "cascading" : how treat the inrush current of each stage ?
                                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current
When a transformer is first energized, a transient current up to 10 to 15 times larger than the rated transformer current can flow for several cycles. Toroidal transformers, using less copper for the same power handling, can have up to 60 times inrush to running current.

                                            input frequency and output frequency of each device ?


                                                         End costs of each produced output-KWh ?


                                              Or using the "inrush current" as "puls(e) current" ? ;)


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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2016, 01:21:35 PM »
lancaIV,

You are still evading to answer my questions directly, which is a very bad sign.

Let me ask those questions again, with a bit modification to be more specific, not to give more room for further irrelevant evasions:

Do you believe that the MEG generates FE as Bearden claimed?
Did you replicate the MEG and performed measurements on it? If yes, then with what results?

Do you believe that the MEG replication measurement of Naudin on this webpage:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/megv21.htm  is correct?
Do you believe that those who criticized the MEG and its replication by Naudin (which he described at the above link) are liars? The critiques I am talking about can be found here:

http://u2.lege.net/newebmasters.com__freeenergy/external_links_from_phact.org/z/bearden.htm

Please direct answers only... I am not interested in any other real or imaginary merits of Naudin, or whether the magnet does anything in the MEG (according to him) or not, or any other evasions at this time. If you give direct and straight answers, then we can continue this discussion, otherwise an obvious disinfo operation is developing here right in front of our eyes...

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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2016, 01:25:46 PM »
ZL, there is mainly a monologue going on in this tread but also on the whole German OU website.

Would you care to elaborate?


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Re: Passive Power Amplifier Patent US8653903
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2016, 11:47:44 AM »
This is an update about the examination of the passive power amplifier patent US8653903.

As a warm up exercise for more fruitful work, the circuit has been tested in a computer simulator.
Using many circuit variations, component values, and swept frequencies, the patent circuit failed to produce any excess energy.

Now my initial knowledge-based prediction has been validated, and we can know for certain that this circuit is not a free energy generator as the inventor claimed. Naturally this is hardly a surprise or a disappointment, because it was expected. When a patent is granted to an invention that explicitly claims the generation of excess energy, then that is most probably a hoax perpetrated by the energy mafia to discredit the subject, and lure potential investors into traps.

Only the energy mafia is able to get patents granted to such fake FE inventions that explicitly claim excess energy, because they own and control the patent system. A real free energy invention that claims excess energy will not get any patent granted, as long as this mafia is in control of the system.

On the other hand if an invention that can generate excess energy gets a patent by not claiming the usefulness of the device for the generation of such excess energy, then the patent is of no use for FE purposes. Primarily because it does not claim that it is an FE machine, and those seeking such inventions will not find it. Secondly, it will not grant priority for inventing that device as an FE generator, because the patent protects only what is claimed.

For example if you invent and patent the wheel as useful in vehicle support, it will not grant you priority of discovery for other uses of the same wheel. That same wheel can be used as a flywheel on a spinning stationary machine to store rotational mechanical energy, and another person can patent it for that specific purpose, and he is to be considered the inventor of the flywheel, not you. Therefore patents and the patent system in general are completely useless for FE inventions as long as the energy mafia owns the system.

Quite often such hoax FE patents are created in a field that really can produce excess energy. They mimic a real FE device in a way which produces no excess energy, but looks similar to a device that can. This way the deception and confusion they create is the most potent.

The lesson from this exercise to take home is to realize that there is an active and intense disinformation campaign waged against free energy inventions (and genuine researchers), in which the patent offices are also heavily involved.

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