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Offline MagnaProp

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Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« on: March 03, 2016, 05:50:59 AM »
...is what I hope to be able to say some day.  8)

But for now it's just an idea. Please note that while I do believe a permanent magnet motor is possible, I also strongly believe that in another week, another month, another year, this particular design still won't self run but I don't plan to let that stop me from trying.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2016, 07:21:20 AM »
Your optimism is heartening.  Consider that, at least for the time being, any energies over unity must be converted to electricity at some point.  And the mechanical to electric conversion should be accomplished with as great efficiency as is practical. 

Your experience tells you, thus far, that should you manage to break C.O.P.>1, it won't be by a margin wide enough to warrant full scale production.  In fact, one would have to produce many devices in series or parallel, or of enormous scale to turn a generator vigorously enough to make the venture practical. 

So, instead of going around in circles just to step up to going around in larger circles, maybe you should take a look at the dynamics of Magnetic Induction in the first place.  Instead of seeking the 'holier than thou' grail of 'perpetual motion' via permanent magnets, perhaps seek first to discover a way to increase the efficiency by which magnets are made to produce electricity through an inductive metal medium.

There are various curious methods by which to coax PMs into Upping the Ante in This Arena.

How to easily make a PM captured in a copper Cage dance like a droplet of H2O on a red hot Skillet....



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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2016, 01:32:21 PM »
Anyone to try to build this ?

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2016, 05:09:18 PM »
one mistake every body is making is that a magnet is a vortex traveling at the speed of light, it is not static as most people think..
so when one wants to invent a p m motor the magnets has to be moving at north or south axis. not static..


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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 10:35:07 AM »
...perhaps seek first to discover a way to increase the efficiency by which magnets are made to produce electricity through an inductive metal medium...
Thanks for the info and I basically agree with all you said. I present the perm mag motor idea, not necessarily as the end result but perhaps some part of it can be utilized to make a system that includes the use of electricity. If we can get the magnets to almost turn by themselves alone, then they should only need to sip electricity in order to get a system that is efficient and useful.

gotoluc mentioned not to long ago that having the bloch wall of a magnet face the north or south side of an electromagnet, appeared to be a more efficient design. I noticed that what he mentioned is basically the arrangement I had in this design. If we replace my linearly moving stators with coils, we simplify the design into something much more practical. It quickly becomes his design with the only real difference being that I utilize both sides of the electromagnet which hopefully increases efficiency of the system.


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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2016, 10:35:07 AM »
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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2016, 10:59:22 AM »
Anyone to try to build this ?
I did a quick experiment of it with some magnets in my hand. The movement appeared to be either left of right depending on which side it was nearest from center. The issue I see with this design is the same I have with mine in that the longer the ramp is, the less likely the magnet is to move towards that direction. This is because magnetism like water goes for the shortest route. My design tries to keep the ramp as short as possible by having it be no longer than half a circle at any given time.

So the trick seems to be, keep the moving magnet in the shortest ramp possible then replace that ramp with another identical one when the time is right. This is what my design attempts to do. Initially I had it devided into 6 segments for shorter ramps but went with this one for a little more simplicity due to fewer moving parts.

I still don't like the linear movement the stator ramps make in my perm mag design. Constantly starting and stopping them as they move up and down seems very ineficient to me. It isn't shown in the design but it's the spinning magnets that bump the stator magnet ramps up and down which I think will cause a lot of friction.

I do like how the ramps move up and down in a more unified field due to the stationary magnets. This should help them move up and down easier. Without the stationary magnets, I think we'll have the same issues that the Torbay motor had. Torbay had a lot of magnets moving in and out of magnetic fields which magnets don't do willingly.

I also like how in the stacked design, the linear movement amount remains the same which suggests some kind of benefit could be had from that.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2016, 11:05:07 AM »
one mistake every body is making is that a magnet is a vortex traveling at the speed of light, it is not static as most people think..
so when one wants to invent a p m motor the magnets has to be moving at north or south axis. not static..

I'm afraid that building particle accelerators and convex superconducting flux capacitors is beyond the real of possibilities from me. I've seen magnets help electrical devices from Tinman run more efficiently so I'm doing my best to stay with what I can just barely understand.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2016, 03:25:41 PM »
Anyone to go for checking this configuration, immitating Lorentz force ?

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2016, 03:26:09 PM »
and the Lorentz force.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2016, 08:08:20 AM »
Anyone to go for checking this configuration, immitating Lorentz force ?

I would have to see another image. I don't understand the construction of your device as shown in your image.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2016, 08:26:19 AM »
this is perhaps more convenient construction.

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2016, 08:14:09 AM »
     Magnets break newton's 3rd "law" all the time.  They are able to apply leverage without a fulcrum and thus can be made to induce rotation without back torque.  In essence, they can be made to interact such that one magnet leverages another into causing induction, without experiencing loss of momentum itself.

     Quantum states, on/off, virtual/real, etc....themselves are indicative of managed reality.  Much like those virtual realities man makes for himself all the time.  The fact that perpetual motion is recognized as real, vis a vis spinning electrons, helps lend credence to the idea that our reality is manufactured, and therefore physical 'laws' only apply by situation. 

     Among the foremost reasons that most have not witnessed a working PM motor is the fact that VERY few are working hands on with the creativity, focus, and tenacity required to shape and time the interactions of both individual and aggregate magnetic fields.


And it helps to remember, one realm's hardware is another Realm's software....




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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2016, 11:10:36 AM »
I am getting mixed signals. :D . Yes or No ?

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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2016, 08:58:49 AM »
@TechStuf- Thanks for the words of wisdom. They are encouraging towards the efforts here.


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Re: Permanent Magnet Motor- gobs and gobs of free energy!!!...
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2016, 09:11:42 AM »
I am getting mixed signals. :D . Yes or No ?
Sorry. Forgot this thread was about your device  ;)

Does this image represent what you are showing? If not then I'm going to have to go with No for 200 Alex.

If it does then I still don't see why there would be any movement caused in your circular system. Once you turn your linear track into a circular one, you kill the dipoles. The dipoles are where the tracks energy comes from. My device attempts to keep the dipoles open by having no more than half the circular track lined up at any given time, similar to Torbay. My hope is that this is a more efficient yet still not self running version of the Torbay. More efficient in that there is less resistance to it not self running. I know, what a breakthrough ::)




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