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Author Topic: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE  (Read 2371147 times)

ignacio

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1995 on: February 02, 2015, 06:18:21 PM »
marathonman
---(These distinctions have been obliterated and concealed by the Illuminati,) We are the ones we hide reality,
---(Estas distinciones han sido borradas y oculto por los Illuminati,) . Nosotros, somos los que nos ocultamos la realidad,
---(Atoms of iron are a 'medium' "the iron, if we observe the formation of the stars, as soon begins producing iron, starts stoping formation star, (the formation of iron absorbs huge amounts of energy !!!!!), can I use, energy?
--- (Los átomos de hierro son un "medio"). En cuanto al hierro, hay que observar la formación de las estrellas, en cuanto comienza a producir hierro, se inicia el apagado de la estrella, (la formación del hierro, absorbe enormes cantidades de energía!!!!!) ¿Podemos utilizar?

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1996 on: February 02, 2015, 10:33:14 PM »
ignacio,
(we are the ones we hide reality)  really! can you explain this one as i would really like to hear this one?
(Atoms of iron are a 'medium' "the iron, if we observe the formation of the stars, as soon begins producing iron, starts stopping formation star, (the formation of iron absorbs huge amounts of energy !!!!!), can I use, energy?.....what in the world are you talking about? and what does this have to do with this statement..
 By alternating a magnetic field perpendicular to a pole-piece, or alternating an electrical current at right angles to a pole piece, an iron core will oscillate magnetically, producing rising, saturating, falling, and reversing magnetic flux which may then be used to create alternating current in inductance windings.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1997 on: February 03, 2015, 12:40:55 PM »
When all ells fails,follow the directions.

ignacio

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1998 on: February 03, 2015, 06:53:50 PM »
marathonman
yo busco, el porqué, de la sobre unidad de la máquina de C. F. Cualquier posibilidad, por pequeña que parezca, es bienvenida.

I seek, why, of over unity machine CF. Any chance, however small it may seem, is welcome.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #1999 on: February 09, 2015, 01:08:00 PM »
 
I have found this in a video on the delay that occurs in the magnetization of a metal core. As you see in the video, the magnetic field is delayed as a probe is moved away from the inductor's until reaching 180 degrees compared to being in phase (0 °) for short distances. This is called Delayed Lenz Effect . If the delay in the magnetization of the core makes this field to be delayed half wave, imagine: the magnetic field is delayed half cycle. If in that postition you place one collector coil and induced current is generated. The induced field would take another half cycle to return to the electromagnet and affect it: 1/2 cycle + 1/2 cycle = 360º. Thus, instead of opposing to the electromagnet it could be coupled to it and amplify the effect. It is the case of a swing: If the swing, in the return way, just change direction at the time that a force is applied the effect is amplified effortless ... you should calibrate the timing to push the swing to give the boost at the right time, otherwise you could brake it. I could be wrong but apparently it seems that between being the inducers and the induced close (with offset 0 °) and suffer the effect of the law lenz opposing, and being away (offset 180º) maybe that effect serve to "help" rather than to brake.

I mention this in order to document the forum. For now I will not try all these things. But it seems to me curious as one user who said to get it running said he had to move the induced coil , also in the forum about bucking coils people are using insulation between coils (plastic spacers) (loose coupling) , Buforn and Figuera were cryptic about the placement  of the coil: the coil has to be "properly placed" as literally they wrote on all patents since 1908, also I have seen a video where in Hendershot generator the distance between coils had to be adjusted. It seems like there's a spatial issue (placement) which is beyond our understanding ... Anyway, here I put it to have it documented, who knows if someday someone will come and find all these useful. Please see the video, it is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5xnyj7xe4


Source: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE22en.htm


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2000 on: February 10, 2015, 01:12:01 PM »
Hanon
 The spacers are for more then that.They reduce the end to end potential by breaking it up to reduce the risk of a arch over between turns and also provide a rigid support to fight against the force acting on the coil. Same movement you would see in a audio speaker that moves the cone. The pounds of force can become large acting on the coil which would cause it to vibrate or shift and sometimes become distorted as the joule heating increases the wire becomes more soft and pliable. It is less of a problem on small low power models but a big problem on high output larger systems. Maybe you should go back and read some of the Silvanus phillips thompson  books and not skim or hand pick what you think matters from the directories. The books do not mention the use of thicker wire for the self supporting benefits or the use of square wire or flat ribbon. You have to figure that out on your own.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2001 on: February 11, 2015, 01:20:34 PM »
Doug, I already posted this a month ago or so, and has relation to my last post:


Why did Buforn change so radically the writting about the placement of the induced coil comparing his patents from 1910 and 1911?
Could he try to hide the key feature for running the generator? It got me thinking... ??? 


1910 patent: Induced coil core without touching the electromagnets cores


1911 patent: Induced coil core must always touch the electromagnets core


Both patents are exact copies of the 1908 Figuera patent. The only difference between 1910 and 1911 patent is this feature. I tend to think that maybe Buforn filed a new patent in 1911 in order to hide the key features of this device...Why if not did he changed the patent just in that feature? He could have said that the device works in both ways...Just a thought


Note: the 1910 patent is the only patent which was audit by an agent of the patent office and got a positive review of practical implementation

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2002 on: February 13, 2015, 06:39:30 AM »
Hello everyone,

                         Tesla 
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"If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have a key to the universe.”

                      Figuera's Patent
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Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed
circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as
when, this circuit being still and motionless, the MAGNETIC field is increased
and reduced in intensity; since any Variation , occurring in the flow traversing
a circuit is producing electrical induced current
 

Tesla  answer
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By varying the relative position upon the commutator of the respective brushes automatically in proportion to the varying electrical conditions of the working-circuit the current developed can be regulated in proportion to the demands in the working-circuit.

Figuera's Patent
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It was considered the
possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of
movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase
and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the
electrical current which produces it.

Tesla Patent
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If, for instance, the commutator-space between the brushes a and c, when the latter is at the neutral point, is diminished, a current will flow from the point Y over the shunt C to the brush b, thus strengthening the current in the part M', and partly neutralizing the current in the part M; but if the space between the brushes a and c is increased, the current will flow over the auxiliary brush in an opposite direction, and the current in M will be strengthened, and in M' partly neutralized.

Figuera 1908
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Therefore it
matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of
the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them;

Tesla Answered
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It will be apparent that the respective cores of the field-magnets are subject to the neutralizing or intensifying effects of the current in the shunt through c', and the magnetism of the cores will be partially neutralized or the point of greatest magnetism shifted, so that it will be more or less remote from or approaching to the armature, and hence the aggregate energizing actions of the field magnets on the armature will be correspondingly Varied.

Figuera
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Here what it is constantly changing is the intensity of the excitatory current
which drives the electromagnets and this is accomplished using a resistance,
through which circulates a proper current, which is taken from one foreign
origin into one or more electromagnets, magnetize one or more
electromagnets and, while the current is higher or lower the magnetization of
the electromagnets is decreasing or increasing and varying, therefore, the
intensity of the magnetic field , this is, the flow which crosses the induced
circuit.

Tesla  Patent
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The relative positions of the respective brushes are varied, either automatically or by hand, so that the shunt becomes inoperative when the auxiliary-brush has a certain position upon the commutator, but when said auxiliary brush is moved in its relation to the main brushes, or the latter are moved in their relation to the auxiliary brush, the electric condition is disturbed and more or less of the current through the field-helices is diverted through the shunt or a current passed over said shunt to the field-helices.


Now look for the Tesla Patent that start with 369, I think we can find 2 Patents which explain how to Vary the Intesity of Magnetism.


Meow

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2003 on: February 13, 2015, 03:29:15 PM »
Hanon
I think he did mention the shape and space do not make a difference because it is motionless. The only reason for the additional patents I dont think he was confident in the patent system. There are two types of patent the lessor being a specific design which someone can make a few minor changes to and get their own patent on your idea. I dont remember the actual names of the types of patents. Im pretty tired after driving 11 hours.
  Stupify
  I think you got the numbers wrong on your Tesla patent you referred. Its a regulator for electric dynamo machines #336961. The resistance can be a built in feature of the brush or of the wire connecting to the brushes. Brushes can be made from layers of materials with different resistances some of Tesla's older works define that method but it seems more complicated then it is worth compared to working the wire connected to the brush. Old resistance wire of the period was a lot different then nichrome wire of today. Last I looked at different materials for short distance medium resistance the only one I found effective was an old metal file that had been forged into a knife. The repeated heating in the process of forging may have effected the resistance compared to a not altered file. The thing that may work in favor is that as the temperature of the wire increases the resistance will as well increase so maybe soft iron wire will work if it is allowed to heat up first. It would also act as a fuse link to afford some protection.
   Stupify I guess you picked up on the winding configuration lol. Pretty funny how  there is more then one way. I attached the pat file in .pdf. That way Hanon wont have to go through all the steps to find it.
   

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2004 on: February 13, 2015, 11:59:19 PM »
Hi,


I collect here an idea that already appeared in the forum about generating the two signals for the Figuera 1908 patent with a very simple method.


Suppose that each inducer is composed by two coils: One coil feed with DC current and the other coil feed with AC current. In inductor 1 you could place both coils so that both magnetic fields (from the DC and AC) add up in the first half cycle of the AC signal. In the inducer 2 you could place both coils to subtract their magnetic fields in that half cycle. Later, during the second half cycle, the polarity of the AC signal will reverse and in the inducer 2 both fields will add up while those fields will cancel in inductor 1.


With this layout I think you could get both opposite signals with a very easy setup. I post here an sketch in order to make it clearer for other users.


Regards




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2005 on: February 21, 2015, 02:45:50 PM »
Hanon
 You continue to neglect time. The time it takes for a magnetic field to reach a number of lines for lack of a better description. The time being partly effected by voltage core size and amperage windings. The dc side is slower then the ac side. Granted it is a measure of fractions of a second. The amount of field or strength or number of lines produced per watts in for the two different types of input will not be equal in time to reach the same level of saturation in the time between pulses of dc and cycles of ac in the model. The induced output will not be equal for the two different inputs. The output would have to equal the sum of the two inputs.

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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2006 on: February 21, 2015, 03:20:10 PM »
Doug1:

Posting after a long time..You are correct on patents. There is no patent for a basic principle. However devices that use the basic principle are patentable again and again and again with various modifications as long as the modification results in an improvement over the earlier apparatus...The patents are very clear and unambigous..Principle is very clearly explained in the patents. 


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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2007 on: February 21, 2015, 08:17:02 PM »
Hanon
 You continue to neglect time. The time it takes for a magnetic field to reach a number of lines for lack of a better description. The time being partly effected by voltage core size and amperage windings. The dc side is slower then the ac side. Granted it is a measure of fractions of a second. The amount of field or strength or number of lines produced per watts in for the two different types of input will not be equal in time to reach the same level of saturation in the time between pulses of dc and cycles of ac in the model. The induced output will not be equal for the two different inputs. The output would have to equal the sum of the two inputs.


Doug,


In my last proposal I am suggesting to use normal DC in one coil, and normal AC in another coil of each inducer. I am not saying to use pulsed DC as you seems to have understood. Just normal DC + AC. My scheme in that post is quite clear. We shoudl thnik about the resulting magnetic field strength from one coil (DC) plus the second coil (AC)


For those interested I attach here my last design. I have to add yet the second coil to each side inducers. Work in progress...




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Re: Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE
« Reply #2008 on: February 22, 2015, 04:48:25 PM »
Hanon
  You might be building a magnetic amplifier. I tried to upload the file but it keeps giving me fits. So here is a link to a declassified paper which gives a pretty good account of them and their history. Make a note of the dates. They were were once called power regulators.You can also look back into some early versions of self regulating generators and dynamo's of the early 1900's.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVjw1.OlUYakAIaEnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEzMW0yNTZkBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkA1lIUzAwMV8x/RV=2/RE=1424648374/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2farchive.org%2fdetails%2fMagneticAmplifiers/RK=0/RS=R7.h1h2BrcmtGxwmRFAM9LDu1ns-

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« Reply #2009 on: February 22, 2015, 05:04:17 PM »
One of these things looks like the other as the song goes. http://teslapress.com/magamp.html