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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17985 on: September 08, 2017, 10:18:12 AM »
   Itsu:
   I may be confused about the pin out on the MUR1530 that I'm using. As well as your diagram.
   So, I can't seem to find the right way to connect up the Oleg snubber.  I may have the polarity wrong on those diodes, but I'm not sure what's wrong. As I can't tell from looking at their data sheet.
  I'll post a close up of the snubber in my next post.
 



Nick,


see the posts from TK and AG, it must be clear now.


As i was talking about connecting the diodes with their cathodes to the junction, here a picture about anode / cathode of a diode / led:


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17985 on: September 08, 2017, 10:18:12 AM »

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« Reply #17986 on: September 08, 2017, 03:20:38 PM »
  Ok, thanks.
  Maybe I do have it connected the right way.
  The resistor is connected to the one side of the 1.2uf cap, and the other side of that cap is connected to Pin 1 (left pin) of both diodes. And pin 3 (right leg) of both diodes is connected to each one of the fet's drains. Correct?
   So where again is the ground line connected up?  I can't find that diagram, now.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17987 on: September 08, 2017, 03:39:13 PM »
  Itsu:
  Ok, I did have it wrong, but I got it now.  I'll fix it today, and report back.

   EDIT:  So, I re-wired the Oleg snubber the right way. Below is how the signal looks, while running a 100w load.
A 200w load makes the resistor untouchable in 10 seconds.
    So, the 460 ohm 2 watt resistor gets very hot now. And it would probably blow up in less than a couple of minutes running time.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2017, 11:45:03 PM by NickZ »

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17988 on: September 09, 2017, 05:42:40 PM »

Nick,

looking good, try to put the left pointer (yellow 1) on the nearby (or middle) horizontal line so we can compare the voltages more easily.
And put up on the right side the CH1 Vpp value.

So you have a 50V square wave with a 40V spike followed by some ringing.

Your MOSFETs should be OK with this already.

If you reinstall the correct value R (46 Ohm) in series with the capacitor for the RC snubber, this ringing will be gone hopefully and
with the addition of the 1K replacement resistor on the Oleg snubber things probably will cool down on these resistors.

Itsu

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17989 on: September 09, 2017, 09:20:41 PM »
I'm new but can any one say has any one got this device to to work just yet ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17990 on: September 09, 2017, 09:46:39 PM »

Hi David,    welcome.


No, to my knowledge, nobody was able to get this device (which one do you mean; the original Dally device, the Ruslan device, etc.) to work yet.


But Nick and others are still working on it.


Regards Itsu.

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« Reply #17991 on: September 11, 2017, 01:11:16 PM »
Hi David,    welcome.


No, to my knowledge, nobody was able to get this device (which one do you mean; the original Dally device, the Ruslan device, etc.) to work yet.


But Nick and others are still working on it.


Regards Itsu.
Hi I have been looking at some of T1000's statements  and modification  recommendations and i sort of get the idea the Katcher or Tesla coil should realy be considered as a high voltage collecting transmitter that attracts positive ions in the order or of Mhz possibly around the 2 mhz region by pulsing  in a semi free running mode.

T1000 also talks of a collecting 1/3 harmonic winding under the grenade coil, this would involve considerable spacing between each wind or the bulk size and heat would be considerable has any one built this winding using fishing line as spacing between turns and done any testing as yet or am I wondering off into oblivion ?

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17992 on: September 11, 2017, 01:46:05 PM »

Hmmm,  "a high voltage collecting transmitter that attracts" he  well, i hope T1000 can confirm your idea.


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« Reply #17993 on: September 11, 2017, 04:09:07 PM »
  David:
  The fishing line idea has been tried on the Kacher's secondary coil. But it does not need to be 2MHz, as 1Mhz to 1.7 or 1.8MHz is normally high enough. Mine is running at 1.1MHz.

  Itsu: I could not obtain the needed 43 or 47 ohm 2 or 3 watt carbon resistors for the snubbers. So, I'll try to order any resistors that are 47 ohm, and 1k ohm, and see how they do.

    I placed the same 56 ohm resistors for fet snubber that I had on before. And I've been testing some other resistors for the Oleg snubber, but they ALL get too hot. Even a big white ceramic 5w 2.2k resistor gets hot, it just take longer to get there. Also, these snubber do inhibit the "effect" in various degrees. So, I'm not sure what to do about it.
  I think that a flat top square wave may not be the best way to go on this. As it seams that some ringing there is still needed, but the extreme peaks do have to be dealt with.
 
   The second pic is from Stalker, and is what his best fet signals look like. His peaks go from 238v to 262 volts.
   

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17994 on: September 11, 2017, 04:30:57 PM »
Nick,

there is something wrong with the data presented on that screenshot of yours.
It concerns both traces, and you should be able to figure out what is wrong by your self by now.


Well, if "these snubber do inhibit the "effect" in various degrees", then there is a problem as you need those snubbers for safe operation of your present components.
I can only help you with trying to get a clean square wave signal, but if thats not wanted as it kills the effect, then there is little i can do.

I can only suggest to use components (MOSFETs) which can handly these spikes, like IRFP460 MOSFETs and run them without snubbers like stalker seems to do.

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17995 on: September 11, 2017, 05:26:25 PM »

I can only suggest to use components (MOSFETs) which can handly these spikes, like IRFP460 MOSFETs and run them without snubbers like stalker seems to do.

Regards itsu

Nick,

I tend to agree with Itsu about using higher voltage rated mosfets. I suspect that if there is any truth to the self-running claims that the 'nasty' looking ringing waveforms are the way forward.

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« Reply #17996 on: September 11, 2017, 05:43:12 PM »
  Itsu:
  I don't know what you mean by, that there is something wrong with the scope shot of the traces, that I should be able to figure out. Do you mean with the voltage readings?
  The main problem is that all the different resistors I've tried get smoking hot in less than one minute. That is a big problem, which I don't have a solution for. Even the 5 watt resistor for the Oleg snubber gets hot.
   So, it's not that I don't want to use the snubbers, it's that they all go up in smoke. Even with a smaller load on, but especially with 200 to 400w worth of bulbs on.
  In any case I'll figure out what to do about it, I'm just reporting back what I'm seeing. But, what I mean is that the snubbers ARE needed. But, they have to be kept at use able temperatures, or they won't do they're job.
  My smaller 1/2 watt resistors (like yours) were chard, in less than one minute. So, maybe there has to be a compromise, somewhere, as I've always had some kind of heat issue, with either the fets, or the snubbers resistors. 
   Possibly the carbon resistors don't come in the bigger than 2 watt values. But, not sure about that.
  Any way, I'm just reporting back. I know that you may not be able to help me any further on this problem. That's ok.
  I appreciate your help.
                                   NickZ

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17997 on: September 11, 2017, 07:47:37 PM »
Hi Nick. In your scope shot, CH1 is showing as being set to 5V/div, and CH2
as being set to 200mV/div? CH1 is only peaking at about 9.4V? CH2 at 300mV peak or so?

Something appears wrong for sure. If you press the CH1 and CH2 buttons on the scope,
make sure the channels are configured for x10 probes if you are using x10 scope probes.
All the best...

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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17998 on: September 11, 2017, 09:25:56 PM »
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Itsu:
I don't know what you mean by, that there is something wrong with the scope shot of the traces, that I should be able to figure out. Do you mean with the voltage readings?

Yes,  like Void mentioned too, those voltage values (data) do not add up when you are using 24V input.
Also look at the CH2 ground (0) level indicator (the blue 2 marker on the left), it is in the middle of the square wave amplitude, it should be on the bottom like CH1.
Did you have your probe ground lead connected securely?


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The main problem is that all the different resistors I've tried get smoking hot in less than one minute. That is a big problem, which I don't have a solution for.
Even the 5 watt resistor for the Oleg snubber gets hot.

My 2W 1K Oleg snubber also gets hot (80°C) when using a small load on the grenade (40 - 100W bulb), it gets better (lower temp.) when adding load, like 200 - 400W bulbs.
Also the input current drops when adding load.


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So, it's not that I don't want to use the snubbers, it's that they all go up in smoke. Even with a smaller load on, but especially with 200 to 400w worth of bulbs on.
In any case I'll figure out what to do about it, I'm just reporting back what I'm seeing. But, what I mean is that the snubbers ARE needed.
But, they have to be kept at use able temperatures, or they won't do they're job.

I thought you mention that you do not see the "effect" when using snubbers, or much less, so therefor i said that you have a problem with which i cannot help you with as without snubbers you will fry your MOSFETs.   Only some higher voltage rated ones will probably work.

 
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My smaller 1/2 watt resistors (like yours) were chard, in less than one minute. So, maybe there has to be a compromise, somewhere, as I've always had some kind of heat issue,
with either the fets, or the snubbers resistors. 
Possibly the carbon resistors don't come in the bigger than 2 watt values. But, not sure about that.
Any way, I'm just reporting back. I know that you may not be able to help me any further on this problem. That's ok.
I appreciate your help.
                                   NickZ

My ½w RC snubber resistors are not heating up, not with a small load (40W), not with heavy load (400W), but they have higher ohmic values (170 Ohm) then yours (46 Ohm).
It could be that you need to re-measure your ringing signal with your new scope (without any snubber components), it could be that we end up with some higher valued  resistors which would have less current (and heat) going through them.

Finally, i also have a varistor across each drain / source, it could be that those have a limiting effect on the spike so the RC resistors are doing less work.
Perhaps you could install your varistor (14D271K , see  http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/msg509339/#msg509339) again across each drain source.


Itsu

   


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Re: Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY
« Reply #17999 on: September 11, 2017, 10:57:07 PM »
  David:
  The fishing line idea has been tried on the Kacher's secondary coil. But it does not need to be 2MHz, as 1Mhz to 1.7 or 1.8MHz is normally high enough. Mine is running at 1.1MHz.


 
   The second pic is from Stalker, and is what his best fet signals look like. His peaks go from 238v to 262 volts.
 
I think Dave is trying to keep his device as slim as he can if his Katcher is using 5 or 6 mm cable  and he winds T1000s charger winding it will be huge in diameter so I think he is using 1mm copper and packing the 5mm or 4mm (whatever) with fishing line must be a hell of a job winding it is all I can say.

Have any of you guys ever got in volved with transmitters you know a load coil and the tuned aerial length, ? ever touched one when some one is transmitting?  fun ain it ;)

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