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Author Topic: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage  (Read 79128 times)

Online Jerry Volland

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Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« on: October 11, 2010, 02:52:25 AM »
Here's a video which shows an original Gray motor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS4zl3f1fFI 

This was one of his later models and uses Ignitrons.  The video shows a lot of detail, including the amount of electronics which was used.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2010, 06:46:07 AM »
BINGO

Good found.

I see the components.
all parts are  made beginning 80´

also nice to see this magic tube.

descibed from Gray junior as an TRIODE
(that is not exisiting witsome KiloVolts
-so as maked in his "selled plans" !

It is a THYRATRON.

(That is an part like modern Thyristors (SCR)

but this old Vakuum Tubes , can
work up tu several thousen Volts
and u to Ampereages up to more than 10.0000 amps.


NO MODERN SEMICONDUCTOR CAN WORKING UP
this VALUES  !!!


So, this Video have instructed me (and others)

Thanks

Gustav Pese

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 07:39:28 PM »
Looking at that drive shaft I'd say the motor's power is around 40 Hp.  But I don't see a Conversion Tube or a delay line.  I'm wondering if this one is OU.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2010, 07:39:28 PM »
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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2010, 12:13:45 AM »
One of the last things I did at EnergiticForum before being banned for "blatant plagiarism" was ask Aaron what his circuit would look like if I hadn't joined his forum and presented my Arc Switch circuit. Of course he didn't answer, but right before my publication he was working with a grid which supposedly received compressed ether, without results. Now, looking at the new video, it's obvious that Gray was using longitudinal dielectric energy. It wasn't High Voltage which was charging the big capacitors. They were part of the longitudinal circuit - a mechanism to produce dielectric energy. Gray always had a blocking cap in front of his battery. Unfortunately, I burned out my big cap last week so I can't do any more relevant experiments.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2010, 01:49:12 AM »
One of the last things I did at EnergiticForum before being banned for "blatant plagiarism" was ask Aaron what his circuit would look like if I hadn't joined his forum and presented my Arc Switch circuit. Of course he didn't answer, but right before my publication he was working with a grid which supposedly received compressed ether, without results. Now, looking at the new video, it's obvious that Gray was using longitudinal dielectric energy. It wasn't High Voltage which was charging the big capacitors. They were part of the longitudinal circuit - a mechanism to produce dielectric energy. Gray always had a blocking cap in front of his battery. Unfortunately, I burned out my big cap last week so I can't do any more relevant experiments.
Tough luck, chump.  It looks to me like you're looking for an excuse not to post anymore.  Tell you what, if you don't, neither will I.  After all, we are the same, you and I.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2010, 12:02:26 AM »
I'm still going to post, it's just that some of the relevant experiments are on hold.

Looking through the out take clips on this video, it's clear that the motor which is shown is not a classical system.  For instance, the size of the black battery cable is consistent with a high horse power motor, but the actual wires going to the coils are no where near this size.  These wires would melt in an instant if this motor were powered with normal electrical energy.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2010, 12:38:47 AM »
that would depend on the voltage.
if it's 5Kv wires don't need to be that thick.
they only are at low voltages and high amps.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2010, 04:14:35 AM »
that would depend on the voltage.
if it's 5Kv wires don't need to be that thick.
they only are at low voltages and high amps.
This is a valid point.  I'm attaching a picture which shows the 5kV transformer near the left, similar to a heavy duty flyback.  But even at high frequency can this charge the three big capacitors fast enough to match the pulse rate to the coils?  The reason I think the motor uses a non classical energy is because of the wire running along the V in the plastic - visible in the second picture.  From my perspective, this wire is part of the capacitor #25 in the first patent, and the third attachment.  The other side of the cap is the outer layers of the coil.  I did an experiment in the past with a single wire circuit which produced a non classical effect using PVC plastic:

http://www.energeticforum.com/39223-post135.html

Back when I wrote this message I didn't yet understand that the Water SparkPlug circuit does not produce a Plasmoid effect, so it's not the same effect my circuit produces.  And I no longer think Gray's motors merely dumped the capacitors.  I think the caps were used to produce a dielectric energy, a type of energy which could power the wire with the plastic.

My setup used a vacuum tube rectifier which produced secondary emission when it was reverse biased with a battery.  And the resultant sparks were not in any way ordinary.  I think one set of Ignitrons in the picture above may also be reversed biased in this manner, by the battery cable.  This would tap the electron cascade pese mentioned in message #33 of this thread:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9551.msg259066#new

If there is a cascade, each secondary electron emitted would produce a longitudinal positive pulse, according to Farnsworth.  And these non classical pulses are what can produce the 360 degree field reported with Gray's motors.
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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2010, 02:11:58 PM »
It's an old skool chopper they used them back in the days to generate high voltage  :)


But even at high frequency can this charge the three big capacitors fast enough to match the pulse rate to the coils?
 

That would depend on the switching frequency, the pulse width and aswell as the storage capacity and that's usually not verry high with these capacitors.
Still there can be alot of energy in them because the voltage is so high.

The water sparkplug is another story.
It discharges a low voltage high amp capacitor through a pre ionized path.
not much people understand this they all think it's something magic but it ain't.
If you pull a spark near a charged capacitor you will see what i mean.
The capacitor will discharge itself through this spark and there is the bang.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2010, 04:50:43 PM »
The water sparkplug is another story.
It discharges a low voltage high amp capacitor through a pre ionized path.
not much people understand this they all think it's something magic but it ain't.
If you pull a spark near a charged capacitor you will see what i mean.
The capacitor will discharge itself through this spark and there is the bang.
Your analysis of the spark plug circuit is correct, except there isn't any sound.  The difference between this and my Plasmoid circuit is the CDI circuit will produce a plasma burst with or without an inductor, but my circuit only works with an inductor.  Otherwise, there's a very loud bang.  And the WSP single polarity circuit has a grounded capacitor, but my circuit has both polarities, without a ground OR a really high trigger voltage.

Here's a stated variation of my circuit, from early January 2009, three weeks before Aaron completely changed his approach:

http://www.energeticforum.com/41069-post306.html

The only difference between this circuit and the one Aaron copyrighted, claiming plagiarism, is he added Gray's interrupter switch, claiming HE discovered it.

http://www.energeticforum.com/98140-post1998.html
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posting my diagrams and claiming credit for it is NOT acceptable, which is EXACTLY what Jerry is doing. He posted that diagram claiming it is "his" switch, when I'm the one that came up with that and I have all the facts to prove it.

The only thing I claimed was that my circuit was an "Ed Gray Test Circuit".  Adding Gray's interrupter switch was an "obvious" variation, not plagiarism.  One of many variations I've published.  Aaron is the one who lifted my entire circuit, including my three point electrode pattern in place of the symbol Gray shows in his schematic, then added the switch.  Adding one thing to my circuit doesn't give him the right to copyright it and prevent me from discussing my own research.

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2010, 04:53:08 PM »
@JV

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. It is an incredible video. Every image spells poetry of thought and total dedication to implementation, right down to his near 1:1 ratio gearing to the alternator. That tells me the drive motor was running around 1750 RPM and if fully loaded the alternator was producing an output of 12 volts and at least 100 amps, although the torque required to do this is very high. If each storage battery can only absorb 20% of their rated amperage, he would need 5 storage batteries rated at 100 amps each, or 4 if he decided not to load the alternator completely.

He also shows that his drive motor is re-cycling each flyback energy from both the three rotor and stator coils which should be producing some pretty high voltage. This is a good way to emtpy out the 6 drive coils to then recharge them from 0 onwards at each one/third cycle. The switching involved is also shown

I would also say he is using those large parallel capacitors and other parallel components to absorb way more drive motor flyback then the motor can produce just so that the flybacks do not stay in the drive coils. Over-sizing reduces any potential bottlenecks. The switching involved is also very elaborate. He is not relying on the commutation alone to do this. I would also say that he then had to build his power inverter to bring the flyback down to a usable form.

Anyways, thanks. This video is a great portrayal of the complexities he had to overcome to realize this build. Just to think of the hundreds and hundreds of factors involved is mind-boggling. Such determination is rare indeed and shows us that in his time, they could concentrate totally without the distractions of our more modern-day lifestyle and information overload. Sticking to one idea and taking it all the way to fruition.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 06:06:30 PM »
wattsup,

It's nice to hear from someone who thinks Gray knew what he was doing.  I personally don't think that if there's something I can't figure out it means that Gray himself was a dumbkin.  And I agree that focus is the key.

This video does provide quite a bit of help.  I see very few components I can't identify.  Speaking of which, does anyone recognize the gold components in the picture below?  Judging by their location it's likely that they have something to do with triggering the Ignitrons, producing very short pulses.  If so, the brown ceramic capacitors are probably in the range of 250V.

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 08:57:56 PM »
Hi JV,

These are precision 10watt resistors.

The gold casing is merely a heat sink.

Kind Regards, Penno

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« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2010, 10:46:54 PM »
Thanks, that helps a lot.  So we have an LC circuit with a string of diodes in between.  If a rectifier were needed, a single unit of appropriate value could be used.  Since there are a string of them it may be that the small capacitances of the diodes are acting together to simulate a multi gap condencer, something which can be used to sharpen a pulse.

I'm also wondering about the square components which are connected to the Ignitrons' anodes.  Is there such a thing as a four terminal capacitor, or could these be bifilar coils?

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Re: Complete EV Gray Motor Found In Storage
« Reply #14 on: October 22, 2010, 10:50:23 PM »
oil filled transformers.

 

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