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b0rg13

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Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« on: September 16, 2010, 09:51:14 PM »
NAS battery
NAS battery principle
A type of battery that uses sodium (Na) at the negative electrode (cathode), sulfur at the positive electrode (anode), and beta alumina as a solid electrolyte. During the discharge phase, molten metallic sodium at the core acts as the anode, separated by a beta alumina cylinder from a sulfur container made from an inert metal acting as the cathode. The sulfur is absorbed in a carbon sponge. Alumina is a good conductor of Na ions but a bad conductor of electrons, avoiding self discharge. When Na gives off an electron, the Na+ ion migrates to the sulfur container. The
NAS battery construction
electron travels through the molten Na to the contact and through the electric load to the sulfur container. Here, the electron reacts with S to form S-, which then forms sodium polysulfide. As the cell discharges the sodium level drops. During the charging phase the reverse process takes place.

The cell is usually made in a tall cylindrical configuration. The entire cell is enclosed by an inert metal container and sealed at the top with an airtight alumina lid. The cell becomes more economical with increasing size. In commercial applications the cells are arranged in blocks for better conservation of heat. Once running, the heat produced by charging and discharging cycles is enough to maintain operating temperatures and no external source is required.

An NAS battery has a high energy density and high efficiency of charge/discharge, and is made from inexpensive, non-toxic materials. However, the operating temperature of 300-350 °C and the highly corrosive nature of sodium make it suitable only for large-scale non-mobile applications. One such application is the storage of energy storage, during off-peak times, in the electric grid.

( the temp this thing produces surly can be used for,... you name it? ).


b0rg13

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2010, 09:54:03 PM »
want pics? ok.


Hope

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 10:56:21 PM »
Very excellent information,  Thank you.    Are there any specs on this you know of concerning output and lifespan?

b0rg13

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2010, 12:12:42 AM »
if you google this and read over a few pages of this battery youll find its VERY HIGH out put and around a 15 year lifespan.



....but what i had in my mind was a device like this but about the size of say a micro wave to run a house for eg,.. or portable power.,....place one under your bonnet and trunk to run a car?..

...electricity and heat...

...btw these batterys are real and out there NOW and WORKING.

cletushowell

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2010, 01:42:57 AM »
Very simular to my earth battery
but ground was the conductor is the
power ac or dc I couldnt figure out how to use this
 Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzQVpsMllrc&feature=youtube_gdata_player


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thing im not a circuit builder

cletushowell

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2010, 01:55:00 AM »
The the key is just aluminum stops the na ions
so there stuck like the moray valve
seems like they found a way to convert ions to a chemical reaction which then makes the heat stable and able to pull power
direct from the salt thats how im reading it please correct me if Im wrong I will read some pages on it

cletushowell

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2010, 02:28:28 AM »
This kinda pisses me off serious wtf
Ford Motor pioneered the battery in the 1960s to power early-model electric cars.[4]
ford didnt pioneer shit tesla ran his fucking
black box on warm tubes what the fuck
are these moron running our country holding on
to this shit for then they sell it to fucking tokyo
in 1982 or some shit while were fucking
fighting wars over oil lovely what stupid
fucking people we Have running things
havent found nothing on ac or dc
these must be the batterys at haarp
from my understanding this is a cover
like everything the fucking battery could generate power they probly spent
50 fucking years trying to figure out how not to make it generate power
if I figure it Out Ill update you
thanks fot the thread at least im on the right track
now 
 


cletushowell

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2010, 03:51:10 AM »
Interesting so its only 2 volts but can power a city
in texas so the earth batterys are stuck at 2 volts because the ac dc
needs to be split so this is not spliting ac dc
its still hiden in the circuits from what I can tell
if we bust this circuit ever earth battery/ grounding rod will have the same power
4S = Na2S4 During discharge, as positive Na+ ions flow through the electrolyte and electrons flow in the external circuit of the battery producing about 2 volts. This process is reversible as charging

makes me wonder it those wind generators are actualy
antennas and the generat is a cover
for putting haarp towers everywhere
to harnes radio waves to energy
direct like bens kite and key but there
towers are up on the mountains
these dam crooks cant trust nothing they do
so they could have essential put thousands of
haarp antennas all over these mountains
to the grid wtf for they dont need that much dam power
between that and the optics grid can fucking reverse the sun
 wow thats insane I think Russia is right they Got the ability to
controll the worlds weather.And  were buying oil
not for long there going make you buy
energy cells then roll black outs make you
buy batteries and keep us fucked good job
presidents 

cletushowell

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Re: Battery/Heater?...NAS battery
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2010, 04:20:53 AM »
In this paper, we consider the possibility of using NAS battery (natrium sulfur battery) systems not only for "energy storage" but also for "system control". We pay attention to the superior operating control function and instantaneous discharging characteristics of NAS battery systems, and propose a method for determining operation and planning schemes of NAS battery systems for dynamic control of line overloads. In the step of planning, an optimal amount of tripped generation and an optimal allocation and required capacity of NAS battery systems are determined for the most severe contingency. In the step of operation, the dynamic control of NAS battery systems is performed. Simulations are carried out for verifying the validity of the proposed method using IEE of Japan EAST 10 machine system model. Successful results show that the line overloads are dynamically suppressed by the amount of tripped generation and the optimal allocation and required capacity of NAS battery systems.