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Title: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 10, 2010, 10:26:27 PM


http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=18430


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 11, 2010, 01:55:53 AM
More evidence:

http://www.boliviabella.com/1-million-fish-dead-in-bolivian-ecological-disaster.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-03/argentina-colder-than-antarctica-spurs-record-power-imports-shuts-plants.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything


The biggest story of the modern world and so many cowards won't touch it out of deep fear/denial.....


Sad, but such is the way of a wayward world.


Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on August 11, 2010, 03:24:46 AM
You do realize that in the summer, if you go far enough north, the sun doesn't set, right?  And the moon is more extreme than the sun: it goes further north of the equator and further south of the equator, only the moon goes all the way around in a month, whereas the sun takes a year to go all the way around.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 11, 2010, 04:02:42 AM

Thanks for the info Bubba, but what we are talking about here are the facts that the earth is wobbling, it's seasonal tilt angle increased, and the sun, moon, and stars being off their former course.

Please read the evidences provided for greater understanding.


Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 11, 2010, 04:29:52 AM
I'm just an old country boy but it looks like everything is in its place. sun rises and sets at the right time and place here.
have you ever tried to use a sextant? its not hard to measure the angle above the horizon of the sun or the moon.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 11, 2010, 05:49:40 AM
Funny you should say that fritznien, as it is largely the 'country boys' that are the ones taking notice of these things.

Try examining the data.  Things might look normal to you because they didn't change over night.  The new 'normal' ain't the old normal....and it's a very temporary 'normal' at that.

Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 11, 2010, 07:11:47 AM
two words"celestial navigation".
a man with a good clock and sextant can fix his position very closely by the sun and stars.
he can not do this if the earth is shifting. how can the drift in his tables be hidden?
any school boy can calculate how high the sun should be at noon on June 21 or DEC 21 or march 21 and Sept 21.
i say again have you measured the suns elevation?
how much has it changed?
how much is sunrise and sunset time shifted?
these things can't be hidden.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 11, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
Obviously, the evidence presented has not garnered your close attention or you would not need to ask these questions.

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these things can't be hidden

Not from the observant.

And soon enough...not by anyone, from anyone.


Blessings fritznien, in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on August 12, 2010, 03:05:00 AM
I agree with fritznien.  The sun is right where it should be - where it has been for decades.  It has always risen in the northeast and set in the northwest in the summer.  You have to take your latitude into account when figuring out where the sun sets.  Like I said - if you go far enough north, it does not set at all.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 13, 2010, 12:55:03 AM
Sorry Bubba, your memory is mistaken. I recommend you do more research rather than default to easy answers which are quite often incorrect.  The furthest north the sun ever got according to the old norm, was the tropic of cancer in central mexico.

http://divulgence.net/solar_angle_variables.htm

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

The evidence presented speaks for itself...but only to those with ears to hear and eyes to see.   

One is free to ignore it as one sees fit.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

Just as in the days of Noah....

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-3.htm

and Lot...


Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Thaelin on August 15, 2010, 03:30:34 PM
   Would a copy of the 1935 navigation tables for mariners and aviators bear any info to this?  Found this sweet puppy in a junk store for $2. ;D Too darn bad I cant read it for what its worth.

thay
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 15, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
   Would a copy of the 1935 navigation tables for mariners and aviators bear any info to this?  Found this sweet puppy in a junk store for $2. ;D Too darn bad I cant read it for what its worth.

thay
for anyone that can navigate by the stars could use it to verify that not only the sun but the stars are all in place.
until tech comes up with real data on how much things are supposed to have shifted its just people panic mongering.
in summer my days get up to 16 hours, night 8.
where should i see sunrise and sunset?
i could make a simple astro globe and measure the suns elevation above the horizon but why bother when it would mean nothing to tech.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 15, 2010, 09:54:05 PM
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until tech comes up with real data on how much things are supposed to have shifted its just people panic mongering.

fritznien, you are certainly free to believe as you wish.  The information I have provided doesn't meet your criteria as evidence for an important and sobering reason....

It is easier to default to false hopes rather than employ one's higher thought processes to impending inescapable conclusions.

The facts are, and they are simple ones, the tropic of capricorn marked the northern extreme of the sun's declination for thousands of years, it doesn't today.  Not by a long shot.  The northern limit of the moon' declination was 28 1/2 degrees north for thousands of years.  It is regularly witnessed to move much further north today.

So please forgive me if I don't acquiesce to your rather mundane declaration of "panic mongering".

If anyone is "panic mongering", it is the government in collusion with bankers and the cwhoreporate media who unfailingly sling hashed up reports on war, threat of war, death, disease, and the world economy nearing freefall....etc. etc...like a "panic buffet" to giant LCD flat screens in living rooms around the world. 

No, I say that if one has his heart and mind in the Right place, the Truthful message I share is one of absolute Joy that these things are nearing their permanent end, exactly on schedule and as foretold!

So, I see it as Joy mongering.   However, those who have lived unrepentant debauched lives, who mock God, and refuse to see that these signs offer an opportunity for one to offer sincere and heartfelt repentance, and act appropriately.....

These may reserve their faithlessly juvenile right to revert to animal instinct and panic at any time. Over this Truthful message or any number of other 'news' stories of this late hour.

For the moment, freedom of choice still exists, battered and bruised, though it may be.

For your own sakes, dear readers, and the sakes of your loved ones, choose wisely.


Act Positively.



Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on August 16, 2010, 04:38:06 AM
The facts are, and they are simple ones, the tropic of capricorn marked the northern extreme of the sun's declination for thousands of years, it doesn't today.  Not by a long shot.  The northern limit of the moon' declination was 28 1/2 degrees north for thousands of years.  It is regularly witnessed to move much further north today.

Actually, it's the Tropic of Cancer that marks the northern extreme.  What you apparently fail to realize is that the only place that the sun sets 23.5 degrees north of west on June 21st is on the equator.  When you move north of that, you need to take your latitude into account.  If you move far enough north on June 21st, the sun would not get below the horizon.
On June 21st, the sun is 66.5 degrees away from the north star (90 - 23.5).  Secure two sticks 66.5 degrees apart, point one at the north star, and rotate the other one until it points at the horizon.  That is where it should set on June 21st.  I do not understand why you do not realize this.  Maybe you could get a globe and play with it by going outside in the sun, tilting it so that the sun is over 23.5 degrees and see in what direction the sun would set at your latitude.  Better yet, go to a planetarium.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 16, 2010, 06:04:00 AM
Barkin up the wrong tree Bubba.  I've provided my evidence, and you have parroted that which you believe to be true.

First off, I must apologize for transposing the tropic of cancer with the tropic of capricorn.  I've been using the two examples quite a bit as of late in the online forums.

Bubba, as I am obviously particularly unmoved by your 'evidence' and you continually fail to grasp mine....

Perhaps you could benefit from starting your own thread, providing evidence in support of your very popular theory that all is as it once was.  I'm sure you'll get no disagreement from any of a myriad fine 'meteorologists' and 'professors' who will support you to the bitter end....

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

The moon could rise over the north pole, and the sun over the south pole and there would still be no shortage of those certain kind of individuals who would parrot all that they see and hear from co-opted traditional sources who reassure them that all is as it once was.


Such is the way of a wayward world.


Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 16, 2010, 07:12:13 AM
Barkin up the wrong tree Bubba.  I've provided my evidence, and you have parroted that which you believe to be true.

First off, I must apologize for transposing the tropic of cancer with the tropic of capricorn.  I've been using the two examples quite a bit as of late in the online forums.

Bubba, as I am obviously particularly unmoved by your 'evidence' and you continually fail to grasp mine....

Perhaps you could benefit from starting your own thread, providing evidence in support of your very popular theory that all is as it once was.  I'm sure you'll get no disagreement from any of a myriad fine 'meteorologists' and 'professors' who will support you to the bitter end....

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

The moon could rise over the north pole, and the sun over the south pole and there would still be no shortage of those certain kind of individuals who would parrot all that they see and hear from co-opted traditional sources who reassure them that all is as it once was.


Such is the way of a wayward world.


Blessings in Christ Yeshua
i say i don't see any change because i don't see any. i have lived in the same house in the country for 22 years, i spend a lot of time outside.
i have 3 differant solar collectors that i installed 15 years ago and am very aware of the sunshine that falls on them. my PV panels still face due south. your data is peoples opinions and one who goes by the sunrise and sunset position. he is wrong in his assertion that the sun never sets north of the tropic line. when i have 16 hours of daylight where dose the sun rise and set? it is well to the north. my seasons are right on my sunrise and sunset times are right.
why don't you tell us how far out of kilter the earths axis is? how many degrees what direction?
sun never appears directly overhead except in the tropics. the suns elevation at noon local, its highest is how it is measured.
the most accurate and easy to measure but nobody dose, why?
your data is crap. without solid numbers i commit zero resources i have better things to work on.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 16, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
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your data is crap.

Yes, you've made your opinion quite clear. 

And since the sun/moon rise/set positions and ascent/descent angles are of no concern to you, along with dramatically increased earthquakes, tsunami, rogue waves and "perplexing" tides....

You appear to have absolutely nothing to be concerned about.

Sorry to have awakened you to this 'non-issue', nothing to see here, go back to sleep.....

Shhhhh.....

And if you should hear anything further from any of us among the increasing members of the 'chicken little brigade'....

Please don't be offended, just brush it off and remember, at least you've still got your pride (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_'Pride_comes_before_the_fall'_mean).


TS


P.S. The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again.  Isaiah 24:20   Just as God forewarned His children of the things now occurring, He also promises a new heavens and a new earth.  And the meek, those who will humble themselves before their Creator, shall be it's inheritors.

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bob Smith on August 16, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
Hi Tech,
I noticed the same thing with the way the sun shines in a small window in the front of my home. 6 years ago, it came straight thru in mid-July. I've noticed the last few years the angle of the sun coming in has been much different during this period. Thanks for your explanations - seems logical, particularly in the context of global earthquakes, floods, volcanoes etc., notwithstanding haarp influence.
Best to you -
Bob
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 16, 2010, 08:10:04 PM
Good eye, Bob.  That's the way a lot of us began noticing.  I first took notice when a thermometer I had mounted on the north side of my home began to get sun.  This summer, the increase was greatest.

Those placing their faith in the meteorologists and other professionals are in for a rather large let down, as these have been co-opted.

The silence is deafening.  The fact that the professionals are so quiet (or deceitful) on the matter, says much about where they place their values....and their futures.

I have found that many are either incapable or unwilling to apply existing data correctly in order to make a rational determination of these things.  The old northern limit of the moon's declination at 28.5 degrees north, is a prime example.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 17, 2010, 04:04:04 AM
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The Sun came up to the left of my neighbor's roof.. Never seen that in 14 years, not even in June. What in the world is going on?

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I just opened up Stellarium and walked outside with a compass. On the program, the sun is sitting right over the EAST mark. According to my compass, the sun is to the LEFT of EAST, a little towards the NORTH. It is noticeable!

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Yup. I noticed on my drive in. And if its what I think then the drive home should be equally as interesting.

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I may be wrong-but the house I designed, and hand built 26 years ago, depends on passive solar gain. I layed it out with true South for max sun exposure. The sun is coming in at new angles. These facts are hard to debunk! From my window the Sun rises to the right of our Cathedral. On Thursday morning it came up to the left. Yes I do have data, in fact it goes back to 1980 when I built this home.


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In Germany the same, wrong places of Sun and Moon.

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In the UK this morning the Sun did rise in the wrong place. To all those who say it is not possible, sorry you are wrong.

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I am an educated person. I gratuated Summa Cum Laude from a top university in the US. As crazy as it sounds, I do think the sun has been rising in the wrong place since spring began. Maybe not far enough from normal to alarm the masses, but some have noticed. I've noticed because I'm up every single day at dawn to feed my horses. For years, season after season, they wait in the first rays of sunlight to warm their backs. These early am rays move predictably across the pasture as the seasons progress so I always know where the herd will be standing. Not lately. What the hell is up?

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I just got done taking a lunch break. I read this thread and decided to take a ride out to a house I have empty and for sale. I lived there for 22 years. I wanted to get there because I could get a familiar bearing to see for myself what this entire hullabaloo is about. Well I stood out on my front porch and glanced up and you know what? The Sun is further north than I recall for mid April. My take is that it is where it should be at the end of May or beginning of June. This is very odd and really makes me wonder what the hell is going on because all the scientific debunking of this assertion has its merits.

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Yes I went to look. It is far North to much for this time of year, by somewhat a noticable amount to me.

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For giggles and laughs I actually measured the altitude angle and compared it to the Navy's data for location and time of day. The angle at the time I measured should have been 68.3 degrees but was at 75 degrees. The Sun is aproximately 3 weeks ahead of where it should be. May 2nd is when the angle should be at 75 degrees where I am at. This is realy weird because we started daylight savings time three weeks earlier this year.

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I am located in the southern part of India (meaning closer to the equator) and noting this abnormal difference in angle of the rising as well as setting Sun.

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I am one of those sail boat navigators who uses the sextant to plot my position. Then I use GPS to check my calculations. I checked on the position of the Sun at this time. Per the reference texts, guess what. The Sun is out of position by a large amount. The Sun is not in its proper place.

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Every morning, either summer or winter, the sun shines on the front of my house. I notice this because I face the house when I'm backing out of the driveway. The Sun isn't shining on the front of the house in the morning, just a shadow cast on it now!

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I know what I see and here in Canada we have a lot to see since a couple of year. The Sun used to come right in my eastern window at that time of the year. I know it because my pets use to laydown in the floor to get some sun right after the equinox of spring and now it is not yet in the window but a litle bit more north east.

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Usually I go right by this kind of thread but 6:47 pm on Apr 13, 2007 the Sun on the East Coast USA is setting N of West about where it is in June/July (and still 1 hr to go till actual sunset) but that is the track it is on.

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I religously go out on my porch every sunrise as I have for the last 14 years, and never, never have I seen the Sun in this position. It is way too far North of what it should be. There should be no denial any further.

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Aaaarg, I came too late to office today because my Solar Clock showed the wrong time. You are right!

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For the first time in many, many days of clouds and bad weather, I too have noticed the sun too far North for April. Looking out my office window, it is above the neighbor's house that I normally see in June. My office window has the morning sun enter it daily and it is off.

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I can also add that I live in the south of Europe and the Sun at midday is higher as usual for this time of year. Its like it would be end May. You cannot debunk my own observation.

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The sun set in a red horizon this evening to the extreme north west. I have never seen it set that far North.

The individual observations quoted above, were copied from:

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm


And were made in 2007.   The summer of 2010 brought even greater changes, yet the cwhoreporate media, likely out of fear & loathing, won't touch this, the greatest story (at the moment) of our modern age.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 18, 2010, 11:36:17 PM

Snow in Brazil...millions of fish, many alligators, turtles and dolphins dead of temperatures reaching 29 below zero.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/08/13/snow-in-brazil-millions-of-dead-fish-all

They will report on the effects all day long, but refuse to address the CAUSE.

The Inuit peoples know the cause:

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

But are being fed fairy tales by meteorologists such as 'it's merely an optical phenomenon unique to the extremely high horizon'....despite the prolific evidence witnessed by people all over the world that our earth is wobbling considerably.

Now, people in the southern hemisphere are beginning to wake up to the Truth as well.


Dear reader, will you?


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Cloxxki on August 19, 2010, 12:56:43 AM
Has anyone been able to plot this? Is there a new equator, or do we now have an equatorial zone and larger poles due to wobble?
Here in The Netherlands I've been in 16C and rain the past few days. Warmer in between showers.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: DeepCut on August 19, 2010, 01:34:12 AM
Are you talking about processional wobble ?

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 19, 2010, 07:02:59 PM

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Is there a new equator, or do we now have an equatorial zone and larger poles due to wobble?

I'd say that, given the huge swath of latitudes that the sun now travels, and given that the rate of changes taking place has increased, God Himself Truly only knows what is exactly in store for tomorrow's world.  However, today's world is experiencing greater direct exposure to the sun over greater swaths of land and sea area, which accounts for greater temperature disparity over much of the world's surface.  As ice melts, water temperatures in some areas of the ocean drop which then go on to mix with areas of the sea which were formerly unaccustomed to receiving so much direct sun light, which causes greater precipitation events around the world, freak storms, etc.

The ocean currents themselves, which are largely responsible for earth's weather systems are changing rapidly all over the world.

The big question is, why is it OK for the cwhoreporate news media to constantly report on all of these changes, but DENY the True Cause?  Are they afraid people will lose hope or gain it?

The only real answer, if one thinks it through, is because world leaders serve the enemy of our Father and Yeshua, Jesus Christ, and His Word revealed exactly what is happening.  The last thing these subverted individuals want is large numbers of so called "primitive religionists" turning to, or returning to, Christ, who forewarned us of exactly what is now taking place.

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


25"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 19, 2010, 07:51:56 PM
The only real answer, if one thinks it through, is because world leaders serve the enemy of our Father and Yeshua, Jesus Christ, and His Word revealed exactly what is happening.
the ONLY real answer? ::) i really don't expect you to have that good of a grasp on logic or reason due to your faith in imaginary godfairy saviors, but at least try not to engage in such ridiculous hyperbole. you are engaging in logical fallacy and ignoring many other possible causes/answers due to your zealotry.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 19, 2010, 08:17:32 PM
Pardon me, mr. inebriated, but perhaps you could muster the personal maturity level to mock God on your own thread?  Or perhaps take your message to the streets like one of the world's 'movers and shakers' shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

Mr. Inebriated, if you were sober or at least honest with yourself, you'd know by now that such sophomoric outbursts don't play well here....

As there is more than enough solid proof that the world's leaders and their minions worship the devil, in one form or another.

Exactly as foretold in God's Word.


At any rate,


Yahweh bless you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 19, 2010, 08:32:53 PM
BTW, somebody besides Mr. Inebriated here, sure doesn't like this message or it's messenger....as since I've began sharing it, these cowards love to fly overhead at low altitude late at night, and spray chemicals on my home, causing high blood pressure effects and other deleterious health effects, yet here I stand, for as long as God wills this to be so.

For those of you brave and hopeful enough to take Christ at His Father's Word and Stand Up and Lift Up your heads and share this message of truth,

Please remember that a consistent growl against evil is better than the mightiest shout after it has become too late to be counted.

Don't wait for Christ and His Heavenly Army to appear in the sky, to tell His enemies how you really feel.

Or share these Truths with others.


Make no mistake, God will allow no cowards into His kingdom. 


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 02:31:14 AM
Pardon me, mr. inebriated, but perhaps you could muster the personal maturity level to mock God on your own thread?  Or perhaps take your message to the streets like one of the world's 'movers and shakers' shown here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

Mr. Inebriated, if you were sober or at least honest with yourself, you'd know by now that such sophomoric outbursts don't play well here....

As there is more than enough solid proof that the world's leaders and their minions worship the devil, in one form or another.

Exactly as foretold in God's Word.


At any rate,


Yahweh bless you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


TS
i wasn't mocking god, i was pointing out the the fact that you are positing illogical statements and engaging in gratuitous hyperbole.

mocking: make (something) seem laughably unreal or impossible.

how does one take an imaginary thing and make it seem laughably unreal or impossible? imaginary things like god are like that by default. ::) regardless, if it is omnipotent as you claim and offended by my words, it can strike me down. i'll wait...

your video link showed some person being accosted and interviewed by some christian zealot who is running around the streets with a camera. the christian with the camera was the mover and shaker taking his message to the streets. no, i think i'll pass on running around the streets with a camera interrogating people as to what imaginary godfairy they believe in.

may your chains rest upon you lightly...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 20, 2010, 03:02:49 AM
A United States Marine was taking some college courses
between assignments. He had completed 20 missions in Iraq
and Afghanistan . One of the courses had a professor who
was an avowed atheist, and a member of the ACLU.
[cid:1.568941247@web44711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com]

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in.
He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "GOD, if you are real, then
I want you to knock me off this platform... I'll give you exactly 15 min."
The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes
went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am GOD, I'm still waiting."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got
out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him;
knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently.
The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there
looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to,
noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked,
"What in the world is the matter with you?  Why did you do that?"
The Marine calmly replied,
"GOD was too busy today protecting America 's
soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid
stuff and act like an idiot. So He sent me.."

---------------

Wilby
if it is omnipotent as you claim and offended by my words, it can strike me down. i'll wait...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 03:17:56 AM
A United States Marine was taking some college courses
between assignments. He had completed 20 missions in Iraq
and Afghanistan . One of the courses had a professor who
was an avowed atheist, and a member of the ACLU.
[cid:1.568941247@web44711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com]

One day the professor shocked the class when he came in.
He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "GOD, if you are real, then
I want you to knock me off this platform... I'll give you exactly 15 min."
The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes
went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am GOD, I'm still waiting."

It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got
out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him;
knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.

The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently.
The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there
looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to,
noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked,
"What in the world is the matter with you?  Why did you do that?"
The Marine calmly replied,
"GOD was too busy today protecting America 's
soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid
stuff and act like an idiot. So He sent me.."

---------------

Wilby
if it is omnipotent as you claim and offended by my words, it can strike me down. i'll wait...

that wasn't god that struck him down, it was some zealot who believes in imaginary godfairies. i suppose you consider that proof of your imaginary godfairy chetty? ::)

still waiting... i'll wait some more.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 20, 2010, 03:39:54 AM
                         

                                     Wilby
                       I think you need a Hug?
                                    Chetty
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 06:41:36 AM
                         

                                     Wilby
                       I think you need a Hug?
                                    Chetty
a fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 20, 2010, 07:06:47 AM
Quote
a fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.

A shallow maxim which Mr. Inebriated has unfailingly epitomized during his illustrious tenure in this forum.

Mr. Inebriated, let us agree to disagree.  Man up and find somewhere else to mock your Creator.  Judging by your actions, the only possible reason you could have to hang around here is to further demand a personal reckoning with Him.

Now go and start another 'God bashing' thread or something.  I'm sure you'll have them eating out of your hand over on the atheist or beer connoisseur forums.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ be upon you and your associates.



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 10:02:58 AM
A shallow maxim which Mr. Inebriated has unfailingly epitomized during his illustrious tenure in this forum.
epitomized by trying to answer fools questions...

Mr. Inebriated, let us agree to disagree.  Man up and find somewhere else to mock your Creator.  Judging by your actions, the only possible reason you could have to hang around here is to further demand a personal reckoning with Him.
i thought it was clear from the git go that i agreed to disagree with you, and i told you, i am not mocking your imaginary godfairy... i can't make it (your imaginary godfairy) seem laughably unreal or impossible, it is already that by default. furthermore, it isn't your place to judge, that is for your lord and master, not you. or do you pick and choose which verses to follow? and there you go with that 'only' fallacy again. there are myriad possible reasons i could have to hang around here, perhaps your imaginary godfairy sent me to test you a la job... perhaps i get off on it, like you get off on pimping your imaginary godfairy... i most certainly don't expect your imaginary godfairy to show up and reckon with me, imaginary things cannot do that... even if i demand it.

Now go and start another 'God bashing' thread or something.  I'm sure you'll have them eating out of your hand over on the atheist or beer connoisseur forums.
another? i have never started a thread like that, so how could i start another? i did start a thread for you to vet your imaginary godfairy, but so far you have forsaken him/her/it... i don't drink. it's wilby as in 'will be', which is future tense. ie: i wilby inebriated, because your lack of logic and reason will drive me to drink.

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ be upon you and your associates.
may your chains rest lightly upon you, and may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage, ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 20, 2010, 02:09:24 PM



                               Doubleyah [W]
                   This thing you do every day?
      Live in a world full of "Fools"[chetty's skin crawls]
                                     "Life"
                       
                           Sounds awful scary!
                                      :o
                                     Well,
                    I chose not to do "Life"Alone!

                         Somebody Loves me!!

                                 You Too!
   
Chetty
PS
Try not to use the "F" word so much[even in other tongues]
                               

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 07:40:15 PM
chetty, you ever figure out what was your premise and what was the conclusion in your 'placebo logic'? or are you still wallowing about?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 20, 2010, 08:19:45 PM

Yahweh bless you, Mr. Inebriated, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 20, 2010, 08:43:30 PM
blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 20, 2010, 10:00:45 PM
Saw the movie 2012 when it came out.  As expected, it was an emotional thrill ride, spilling a cornucopia of jabs at Christianity at every turn, while deifying human will. The M.O. of TPTB is in full view in this, but a single example of a long line of "psy-op" big budget extravaganzas. The foundational premise is supposedly based loosely on the "mayan" calendar "prophecy"....such as it is. While Christian prophecy, despite being proved amazingly accurate, is still relegated to "nutjob" status. Certainly no surprise nowadays. Take a look at the video documentary, "Hollywood's War on God":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6295590178956284762#docid=-1380969024589298776

Make no mistake people, our earth is reeling....as can be easily proven if one but takes the time to see. Our moon's apparent orbit and sun position and angle of ascent/descent at sun rise/set are the easiest of the signs to spot, as the moon now rises in the south east and orbits across the sky in the low south, slowly making it's way over a span of a couple weeks or so, to high in the sky, rising in the north east and back again to repeat the cycle every month...and the sun has risen and set way too far north during the spring and summer months.

Do not let anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if such be the case, confuse you with jargon, the moon's orbit should NOT be swaying so far. The moon's orbit, as described on many a University website is thus:

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

And should not be moving all over the sky as it has been doing as of late. It appears to orbit in such a manner largely because earth is rocking beneath it, as can be verified by the vertical rocking of our current pole star, over the same duration as the moon's orbital track variance. Other observations of our wobbling planet can be found at:

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/


The movie: 2012, is ripe with symbolic clues and metaphors, apparently meant for their "initiated" or perhaps even for the "clever minded" among the general population who are ambitious to follow the bread crumbs to grandma's, I mean, Uncles 'Boat' House. (For example, one might hazard a guess or two as to what the meaning of the big letter 'Z' in the boxing ring, could imply....among other curious sub-plot devices)

At any rate, the overt message that men of all nations should be at peace at such a time, tugs at the emotions. However, the solution provided indicates which god serves the interests of those whose shortsighted focus is solely on physical survival....as owed to the possibility of future generations. This as though man's technology can postpone, as opposed to hasten, the inevitable, given the foundational choices which the bulk of mankind unfailingly defaults to choose for himself.

The underlying message of the movie is clear......those with "primitive" belief systems are "left behind" (as evidenced in 2012 movie posters which ask the question: "Will you be left behind?") Christians, most of all. While those who instinctively snap into physical survival mode with gusto, are rewarded with a chance at a new earth. Generally, Christians in the movie are represented as being sincere, but misguided, and just not able to make it on the "Ark". Notice the inverse prophetic and/or Biblically historical pilfering?

Those of us who KNOW Who the "Ark" truly is, that being Yeshua, Jesus Christ, should....as Luke faithfully advises at chapter 21, verses, 25-28, Lift up our heads, for His return, draws near.

"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 RSV)

The above sounds too good to be true to those who prefer to lean upon their own understanding. Pie in the sky, wishful, though primitive, thinking....

But was it wishful thinking that accomplished the following?

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-6.htm

Is it simply wishful thinking alone, that brings forth prolific evidence of the accuracy of God's Word?  Proofs to which many bear witness everyday? Or God's Gracious Mercy borne in faith? The internet abounds daily with miraculous stories of vindication, healing and Glory resulting from the sincere petition to God Almighty. The Days of Lot & Noah are here again, and we are in their midst...

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm

As earthquakes increase, and the oceans become even more agitated, as earth's weather increasingly confounds and as the Heavens shake....all as long ago and lovingly foretold in God's Word....

My sincere question to the makers of 2012 and to all those who worship after a military false god, or even that harsh and fickle taskmaster called "we the people" is this:

Will you be "left behind", while thinking yourselves ahead?

There is yet a short measure of road remaining upon which to search one's soul and petition God in humble sincerity....for His Hand upon your Life.


The Life He was pleased to give You.


Considering the lateness of the hour, please read:

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20


Isaiah 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth



Blessings in Yeshua

__________________

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."  Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
buy a sextant, educate yourself on how to use it and take some measurements.

quoting a book of dogma inspired by an imaginary godfairy is NOT a proof. see petitio principii...

the axischange.wordpress.com link was hilarious... it predicted on aug 9, 2007 that "The Arctic will melt by Sept 2008". it is now 2010... so much for your prophecies techstuf, they are as imaginary as your godfairy.


blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 12:41:21 AM


                       All omimpotent [noodly]"W".
                                 Whats FSM?
     
Chetty
PS
I promise to study the intu/ deduct clicky link!
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 12:42:56 AM

                       All omimpotent [noodly]"W".
                                 Whats FSM?
     
Chetty
PS
I promise to study the intu/ deduct clicky link!
still wallowing about i see. try google chetty, i'm weary of holding your hand.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 01:15:04 AM


                                     Flying
                                     Spagetti
                                     Monster

                                      Church
                                         "W"
                                 Just say NO!
          Those little green cigs will twist your brain Bud.
                                     
                 Now I'm gonna have Nightmares!
                                      Chetty
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 01:20:38 AM

                                     Flying
                                     Spagetti
                                     Monster

                                      Church
                                         "W"
                                 Just say NO!
          Those little green cigs will twist your brain Bud.
                                     
                 Now I'm gonna have Nightmares!
                                      Chetty
wow! you figured it out on your own, maybe there is hope yet...
are you trying to emulate 11:11, cletushowell, etc. now with your 1 word per line, crazy formatted responses? regardless, the church of the fsm is as valid and as rational as christian, muslim, jewish, etc...

when you understand why you discredit all the other imaginary godfairies, you shall understand why i discredit yours.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 01:38:41 AM
                                      "W"
                          This is" tower speak"
                   {user Nittium tried to patent it]
                           Well a modification.
                      " Centralised tower speak"

              Annoys the living piss out of  sum folks!

 Please don't limit my Lord by putting him in one of your 

                    man made belief systems!

                                   Chetty
                                     PS
               To the Vetting thread with this!
 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 01:43:00 AM
                                      "W"
                          This is" tower speak"
                   {user Nittium tried to patent it]
                           Well a modification.
                      " Centralised tower speak"

              Annoys the living piss out of  sum folks!

 Please don't limit my Lord by putting him in one of your 

                    man made belief systems!

                                   Chetty
                                     PS
               To the Vetting thread with this!
user nittinum... yup, reminds me of that old saying, 'birds of a like feather...'

so, you are just trying to 'annoy the living piss' out of some people? how christian of you... ::)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 02:29:18 AM
                                 


                                      Well
                              It was actually a
                                  Deduction
                                 on my part!
         {very recent ,maybe the last 5 minutes or so]

                     But its starting to annoy "me"!

                     So thats two peeps Annoyed
                                   Me and you!

                 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 03:05:42 AM
                                 


                                      Well
                              It was actually a
                                  Deduction
                                 on my part!
         {very recent ,maybe the last 5 minutes or so]

                     But its starting to annoy "me"!

                     So thats two peeps Annoyed
                                   Me and you!

                 
epic fail. it was actually an assumption. it doesn't annoy me at all, i was just wondering what your intent was.

deduction:
a process of reasoning
in which a conclusion follows necessarily from the premises presented,
so that the conclusion cannot be false
if the premises are true.

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 03:21:58 AM
                                       


                                       Excellent!
                               So it just annoys me!
                                        No Sin!
                                       {I think}
                         Could you double check that ?
                In your idiots guide to all things Christian!
               You are definately more "up" on that than me.

                       
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 03:29:40 AM
                                       Excellent!
                               So it just annoys me!
                                        No Sin!
                                       {I think}
                         Could you double check that ?
                In your idiots guide to all things Christian!
               You are definately more "up" on that than me.
indeed!
of the two of us, indeed!
correct!
{sin is a human construct.}
could i double check if you think? probably not.
seeing as my primary education was at a private parochial school, it's not really 'my' idiots guide...
apparently so.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 03:49:29 AM

Saw the movie 2012 when it came out.  As expected, it was an emotional thrill ride, spilling a cornucopia of jabs at Christianity at every turn, while deifying human will. The M.O. of TPTB is in full view in this, but a single example of a long line of "psy-op" big budget extravaganzas. The foundational premise is supposedly based loosely on the "mayan" calendar "prophecy"....such as it is. While Christian prophecy, despite being proved amazingly accurate, is still relegated to "nutjob" status. Certainly no surprise nowadays. Take a look at the video documentary, "Hollywood's War on God":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6295590178956284762#docid=-1380969024589298776

Make no mistake people, our earth is reeling....as can be easily proven if one but takes the time to see. Our moon's apparent orbit and sun position and angle of ascent/descent at sun rise/set are the easiest of the signs to spot, as the moon now rises in the south east and orbits across the sky in the low south, slowly making it's way over a span of a couple weeks or so, to high in the sky, rising in the north east and back again to repeat the cycle every month...and the sun has risen and set way too far north during the spring and summer months.

Do not let anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if such be the case, confuse you with jargon, the moon's orbit should NOT be swaying so far. The moon's orbit, as described on many a University website is thus:

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

And should not be moving all over the sky as it has been doing as of late. It appears to orbit in such a manner largely because earth is rocking beneath it, as can be verified by the vertical rocking of our current pole star, over the same duration as the moon's orbital track variance. Other observations of our wobbling planet can be found at:

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/


The movie: 2012, is ripe with symbolic clues and metaphors, apparently meant for their "initiated" or perhaps even for the "clever minded" among the general population who are ambitious to follow the bread crumbs to grandma's, I mean, Uncles 'Boat' House. (For example, one might hazard a guess or two as to what the meaning of the big letter 'Z' in the boxing ring, could imply....among other curious sub-plot devices)

At any rate, the overt message that men of all nations should be at peace at such a time, tugs at the emotions. However, the solution provided indicates which god serves the interests of those whose shortsighted focus is solely on physical survival....as owed to the possibility of future generations. This as though man's technology can postpone, as opposed to hasten, the inevitable, given the foundational choices which the bulk of mankind unfailingly defaults to choose for himself.

The underlying message of the movie is clear......those with "primitive" belief systems are "left behind" (as evidenced in 2012 movie posters which ask the question: "Will you be left behind?") Christians, most of all. While those who instinctively snap into physical survival mode with gusto, are rewarded with a chance at a new earth. Generally, Christians in the movie are represented as being sincere, but misguided, and just not able to make it on the "Ark". Notice the inverse prophetic and/or Biblically historical pilfering?

Those of us who KNOW Who the "Ark" truly is, that being Yeshua, Jesus Christ, should....as Luke faithfully advises at chapter 21, verses, 25-28, Lift up our heads, for His return, draws near.

"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 RSV)

The above sounds too good to be true to those who prefer to lean upon their own understanding. Pie in the sky, wishful, though primitive, thinking....

But was it wishful thinking that accomplished the following?

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-6.htm

Is it simply wishful thinking alone, that brings forth prolific evidence of the accuracy of God's Word?  Proofs to which many bear witness everyday? Or God's Gracious Mercy borne in faith? The internet abounds daily with miraculous stories of vindication, healing and Glory resulting from the sincere petition to God Almighty. The Days of Lot & Noah are here again, and we are in their midst...

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm

As earthquakes increase, and the oceans become even more agitated, as earth's weather increasingly confounds and as the Heavens shake....all as long ago and lovingly foretold in God's Word....

My sincere question to the makers of 2012 and to all those who worship after a military false god, or even that harsh and fickle taskmaster called "we the people" is this:

Will you be "left behind", while thinking yourselves ahead?

There is yet a short measure of road remaining upon which to search one's soul and petition God in humble sincerity....for His Hand upon your Life.


The Life He was pleased to give You.


Considering the lateness of the hour, please read:

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20


Isaiah 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth



Blessings in Yeshua

__________________

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."  Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 21, 2010, 03:50:04 AM

                                         Not bad!
                                     For a beginner.


                                Have a good night Bud.
                                           Chetty
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 04:00:47 AM
Saw the movie 2012 when it came out.  As expected, it was an emotional thrill ride, spilling a cornucopia of jabs at Christianity at every turn, while deifying human will. The M.O. of TPTB is in full view in this, but a single example of a long line of "psy-op" big budget extravaganzas. The foundational premise is supposedly based loosely on the "mayan" calendar "prophecy"....such as it is. While Christian prophecy, despite being proved amazingly accurate, is still relegated to "nutjob" status. Certainly no surprise nowadays. Take a look at the video documentary, "Hollywood's War on God":

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6295590178956284762#docid=-1380969024589298776

Make no mistake people, our earth is reeling....as can be easily proven if one but takes the time to see. Our moon's apparent orbit and sun position and angle of ascent/descent at sun rise/set are the easiest of the signs to spot, as the moon now rises in the south east and orbits across the sky in the low south, slowly making it's way over a span of a couple weeks or so, to high in the sky, rising in the north east and back again to repeat the cycle every month...and the sun has risen and set way too far north during the spring and summer months.

Do not let anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if such be the case, confuse you with jargon, the moon's orbit should NOT be swaying so far. The moon's orbit, as described on many a University website is thus:

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

And should not be moving all over the sky as it has been doing as of late. It appears to orbit in such a manner largely because earth is rocking beneath it, as can be verified by the vertical rocking of our current pole star, over the same duration as the moon's orbital track variance. Other observations of our wobbling planet can be found at:

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/


The movie: 2012, is ripe with symbolic clues and metaphors, apparently meant for their "initiated" or perhaps even for the "clever minded" among the general population who are ambitious to follow the bread crumbs to grandma's, I mean, Uncles 'Boat' House. (For example, one might hazard a guess or two as to what the meaning of the big letter 'Z' in the boxing ring, could imply....among other curious sub-plot devices)

At any rate, the overt message that men of all nations should be at peace at such a time, tugs at the emotions. However, the solution provided indicates which god serves the interests of those whose shortsighted focus is solely on physical survival....as owed to the possibility of future generations. This as though man's technology can postpone, as opposed to hasten, the inevitable, given the foundational choices which the bulk of mankind unfailingly defaults to choose for himself.

The underlying message of the movie is clear......those with "primitive" belief systems are "left behind" (as evidenced in 2012 movie posters which ask the question: "Will you be left behind?") Christians, most of all. While those who instinctively snap into physical survival mode with gusto, are rewarded with a chance at a new earth. Generally, Christians in the movie are represented as being sincere, but misguided, and just not able to make it on the "Ark". Notice the inverse prophetic and/or Biblically historical pilfering?

Those of us who KNOW Who the "Ark" truly is, that being Yeshua, Jesus Christ, should....as Luke faithfully advises at chapter 21, verses, 25-28, Lift up our heads, for His return, draws near.

"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 RSV)

The above sounds too good to be true to those who prefer to lean upon their own understanding. Pie in the sky, wishful, though primitive, thinking....

But was it wishful thinking that accomplished the following?

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-6.htm

Is it simply wishful thinking alone, that brings forth prolific evidence of the accuracy of God's Word?  Proofs to which many bear witness everyday? Or God's Gracious Mercy borne in faith? The internet abounds daily with miraculous stories of vindication, healing and Glory resulting from the sincere petition to God Almighty. The Days of Lot & Noah are here again, and we are in their midst...

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm

As earthquakes increase, and the oceans become even more agitated, as earth's weather increasingly confounds and as the Heavens shake....all as long ago and lovingly foretold in God's Word....

My sincere question to the makers of 2012 and to all those who worship after a military false god, or even that harsh and fickle taskmaster called "we the people" is this:

Will you be "left behind", while thinking yourselves ahead?

There is yet a short measure of road remaining upon which to search one's soul and petition God in humble sincerity....for His Hand upon your Life.


The Life He was pleased to give You.


Considering the lateness of the hour, please read:

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20


Isaiah 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth



Blessings in Yeshua

__________________

"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."  Luke 21:25-28
since you are copy/pasting, i will too.

buy a sextant, educate yourself on how to use it and take some measurements.

quoting a book of dogma inspired by an imaginary godfairy is NOT a proof. see petitio principii...

the axischange.wordpress.com link was hilarious... it predicted on aug 9, 2007 that "The Arctic will melt by Sept 2008". it is now 2010... so much for your prophecies techstuf, they are as imaginary as your godfairy.


blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 04:12:58 AM
Your vitriolic rage won't lessen the fact that those with eyes to see and ears to hear are receiving, and will continue to receive, the Truth of the these things, despite your childish responses.

rave on.

The Truth is getting harder to hide from each and every day....

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 04:17:37 AM
Your vitriolic rage won't lessen the fact that those with eyes to see and ears to hear are receiving, and will continue to receive, the Truth of the these things, despite your childish responses.

rave on.

The Truth is getting harder to hide from each and every day....
i have no idea where you get the idea i am 'raging' or being 'vitriolic'. it would be nice if you could logically address the substance of someones post...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 04:27:56 AM

There is not a thing which is covered that will not soon be uncovered.

As for substance, I trust that a healthy portion of those reading this thread can discern the Truth of these things....

From the fake and sorely hollow distractions.


Until tomorrow,


TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 21, 2010, 04:56:39 AM
since you are copy/pasting, i will too.

buy a sextant, educate yourself on how to use it and take some measurements.

quoting a book of dogma inspired by an imaginary godfairy is NOT a proof. see petitio principii...

the axischange.wordpress.com link was hilarious... it predicted on aug 9, 2007 that "The Arctic will melt by Sept 2008". it is now 2010... so much for your prophecies techstuf, they are as imaginary as your godfairy.


blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
a sextant would be nice but unnessasarry. using a tape measure and a 4 foot carpenters level i did the measurement today.
56 inch high stake.
36 inch shadow at local noon.
a little trig, 56/36 inverse tan. subtract 11.75 degrees for the suns position on this date =45.5 degrees.
my location 45 degrees north give or take a few miles. pretty close for 15 minutest work.
in other words the sun is dead on where it should be.
the real question is wtf ts is trying to do with all this panic mongering.
just what dose he expect if someone did buy this?
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 05:14:41 AM
a sextant would be nice but unnessasarry. using a tape measure and a 4 foot carpenters level i did the measurement today.
56 inch high stake.
36 inch shadow at local noon.
a little trig, 56/36 inverse tan. subtract 11.75 degrees for the suns position on this date =45.5 degrees.
my location 45 degrees north give or take a few miles. pretty close for 15 minutest work.
in other words the sun is dead on where it should be.
the real question is wtf ts is trying to do with all this panic mongering.
just what dose he expect if someone did buy this?
fritznien
indeed it is unnecessary. thanks for sharing your experiment and your data! personally i have no idea what he expects... in my opinion his panic mongering is asinine.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 06:02:15 AM

Ahhhh....but "panic mongering" is an accusation that can only be honestly rendered by those who fear such may take place.

The only valid reason one could charge "panic mongering" is if one has a reason to panic.  Those who were forewarned of these things and act appropriately need have no such fear.

After all, it's not like anyone with eyes to see cannot ascertain for themselves the truth of these matters.

As I have already conclusively shown, the northern limit for the moon's declination is 28.5 degrees, anyone can see that it now moves well north of that limit.

Same with the sun, which now moves much further north in summer nowadays.

It's easy to ignore the the light of Truth when one has his back to it all the time.  Eventually when the back side is burned enough, one must turn and face the Light.  Whether or not it is too late for one's backside, is a risk many are willing to bake.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 06:06:46 AM
Ahhhh....but "panic mongering" is an accusation that can only be honestly rendered by those who fear such may take place.

The only valid reason one could charge "panic mongering" is if one has a reason to panic.  Those who were forewarned of these things and act appropriately need have no such fear.

After all, it's not like anyone with eyes to see cannot ascertain for themselves the truth of these matters.

As I have already conclusively shown, the northern limit for the moon's declination is 28.5 degrees, anyone can see that it now moves well north of that limit.

Same with the sun, which now moves much further north in summer nowadays.

It's easy to ignore the the light of Truth when one has his back to it all the time.  Eventually when the back side is burned enough, one must turn and face the Light.  Whether or not it is too late for one's backside, is a risk many are willing to bake.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
i see you are back to your circular argument.

blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 06:18:00 AM
As these changes are only increasing, your lamentable efforts at obfuscation and less than skillful efforts at avoiding the facts in evidence will only serve as indictments regarding your personal character in the near future.

But then, deep down, you already know that.


God bless,


TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 06:20:06 AM
As these changes are only increasing, your lamentable efforts at obfuscation and less than skillful efforts at avoiding the facts in evidence will only serve as indictments regarding your personal character in the near future.

But then, deep down, you already know that.


God bless,


TS
how near is this 'future' of which you speak? a month? a year? a decade? care to hazard an educated guess based upon your myraid 'proofs'?

blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 06:31:38 AM

Well, now that would be "panic mongering" of a different color. 

Suffice it to say that those who stand in the way of important Truths such as these, while mocking God,

Needn't waste precious time worrying about such things.


TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 21, 2010, 06:37:26 AM
Well, now that would be "panic mongering" of a different color. 

Suffice it to say that those who stand in the way of important Truths such as these, while mocking God,

Needn't waste precious time worrying about such things.


TS
LOL, how convenient...

we have already covered the mocking thing, it is not possible to make an imaginary godfairy seem laughably unreal, it is inherent by default.

who said i am worried? you keep repeating over and over that 'time is short, do not be deceived' etc. etc. i am just curious as to your opinion on how short of a time it is.


blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 09:52:39 AM
For those of you who take the evidence presented seriously, (and you should!) yet are unaccustomed to applying the necessary observational skills in order to make a positive determination from the data supplied, I again share the following information:

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

One may confirm the above information with any of a number of university websites.  Notice the northern limit of the moon's declination is 28.5 degrees.

The following are pictures I personally took.

http://i48.tinypic.com/10qbh9v.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/14xijw7.jpg

Notice the moon is setting well north of my position at 41 degrees N. latitude.  I could just as well have supplied a photo of the moon high above and slightly to the north of my position at it's zenith which would have proven nothing without a verifiable order of alignment.

Those who either seek to intentionally obfuscate the issue, or out of simple ignorance, advocate that the moon and sun have always risen and set so far north in summer are sorely mistaken.  The sun and moon could rise and set over the north pole and there would still be no shortage of willfully ignorant individuals who cry, "All is as it once was, anyone who says different is panic mongering". 

As most anyone with a t.v. knows by now, the co-opted world governments and their cwhoreporate media machines are the real panic mongers and always have been.  These Truths were long foretold for an important reason.  One that brings Peace, not Panic to those who love Truth.

As for those who love the lie, well, there will soon enough be plenty of unavoidable reasons  to "panic", should one default to lower reasoning.  And my relatively small voice will be replaced with Proof that no amount of rock or sand over one's head will prevent them from facing.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on August 21, 2010, 08:53:36 PM
the sun dose rise and set over the north pole!
in the land of the midnight sun, at 66 degrees north the sun will rise and set almost due north taking over 23 hours to circle the sky on June 21.
on DEC 21 at the same spot the sun would rise and set in minutes almost due south.
the farther south the less extreme the change over the year. til in the tropics its close to 12 hours of daylight every day.
by the way how am i to tell what direction your camera was pointing?
most important what are we supposed to do if you were right?
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 21, 2010, 09:42:46 PM

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the sun dose rise and set over the north pole!

Your deceitful, misdirective efforts no bounds, for the moment, do they!  Any honest and studious reader can easily tell from which vantage point I was referring.  So your disingenuous efforts should only fool those readers who, obviously like yourself, prefer to remain willfully ignorant of God's Word being fulfilled.

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by the way how am i to tell what direction your camera was pointing?

For you, that is a very important question to ponder for as long as you wish to do so.

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most important what are we supposed to do if you were right?

Quite right on your last question.  "Most important" indeed!  That is certainly the most important question you've asked, genuine or no. 


Sir, if you do not know what to do by now, from all that I have spoken, and I do not speak of my own behalf, then obviously I've spoken to no avail regarding you.


As for you honest readers, please review the evidence I have sincerely shared with you.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,


TS


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 26, 2010, 10:59:39 PM
I guess Venus got hit pretty good in July, hardly any word until recently...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AoQnA503Ck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AoQnA503Ck)

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17534-mysterious-bright-spot-found-on-venus.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17534-mysterious-bright-spot-found-on-venus.html)


Those in the northern Hemisphere are now getting good views of the moon's new higher apparent orbital track this week as well.  Watch it's rise/set location, ascent/descent angles and zenith in your area.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on August 27, 2010, 03:08:33 AM
Those who...  advocate that the moon and sun have always risen and set so far north in summer are sorely mistaken....

I do advocate that the moon and sun have always risen and set so far north in summer.  I remember that from my childhood.  By the way, if the sun's rising and setting positions are so messed up, wouldn't the rising and setting times also be messed up?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: iflewmyown on August 27, 2010, 03:57:58 AM
I just got in from watching the moon rise. It is exactly where the charts said it would be. Two days ago I got both the sunrise and sunset exactly where my 30 year old book on solar housing said it would be. I have no problem believing that the government lies whenever it suits their purpose but after seeing this repeated on the web  for over two years I finally got up and checked it. They  may have moved in 2007 but they have moved back. I am located in Blackwell Oklahoma and if anyone near here would like to compare notes and compasses and charts just let me know. If this were happening it would be a great reason for our screwed up weather but as for this week all is where they are supposed to be .
Garry
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 27, 2010, 05:07:56 AM

The northern limit of the moon's declination as exhibited in the college texts is 28.5 degrees.... as shown in the URL earlier in the thread.

If all is as it once was, then there isn't a thing about which to be concerned.


I stand by the prolific evidences provided.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on August 28, 2010, 09:17:50 PM
TechStuf and WilbyInebriated,

first of all I want to thank you both for an hilariously entertaining exchange of arguments,
this thread have frequently made me almost falling off my chair laughing.

Now, do not for a moment think that I disregard the seriously proposed supposition that something
may be wrong with our 23.5 degree tilt of the Earth axis.

But there is a very simple way to check the validity of all this, thereby ending this funny
discussion between the two of you.

Just check the star Polaris, the North Star.  If this star is changing its position, you are definitely right TechStuf,
since the North Star never will change its location in the night sky as long as the tilt of our Earths axis stays normal.

But if the North Star keeps its location unaltered, this thread unfortunately loses its major drive.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 28, 2010, 09:42:18 PM
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Just check the star Polaris, the North Star.  If this star is changing its position, you are definitely right TechStuf, since the North Star never will change its location in the night sky as long as the tilt of our Earths axis stays normal.

The Sun and moon are easily verifiable as appreciably wayward from their former courses regardless of what the north star may or may not appear to be doing for the relative observer.

As countless videos around the world can attest, the sun's rise/set position and rise/set angles have changed dramatically in recent years.

Keep your faith fixed on the north star, such as it is Gwandau, and though being highly entertained, you will fail to connect to the most important dots of your life's personal puzzle.


What, to you is funny, Gwandau.....will soon not be.  Neither to you, nor any honest person.


'The heavenly bodies themselves, will be shaken'....


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on August 28, 2010, 10:58:24 PM
OK, TechStuf, I understand you are taking things in life very seriously. I don´t.

You have to allow yourself to laugh ones in awhile, even at yourself. Otherwise you risk becoming
a nagging old crone with an important ego crushing the very joy out of you.

If Earths tilt still is normal, which is perfectly verifyable by checking the North Star,
which I will do as soon as the cloudy skies are leaving my area, what then may cause this change
of paths of the Sun and the Moon, that you seem so sure about?


Hopefully you are aware of that we are still in the wake of the so called Major Lunar Standstill, causing the rising and
setting of the Sun and the Moon to appear further south and north than usual.

With the culmination of the 18.6-year cycle of the Moon in 2006 and again in 2024-25, also called the Major Lunar Standstill, 
we are afforded the unique opportunity to observe the monthly, annual, and 18.6-year wanderings of the Moon.
The 18.6-year cycle is caused by the precession of the plane of the lunar orbit, while this orbit maintains a 5° tilt relative to the ecliptic.

Still, it never passes beyond the 28.8 degree limit, so even this would be a piece of cake to check. Will do this as soon as
possible.

If I am able to confirm your observations, this may indicate a lot of things, but not neccesarily the Doomsday scenario depicted by the people who wrote the Bible.

Personally I seem to have a somewhat more open position versus the Intent that may be behind our existense than the self important Christian view.

Remember, Nobody, not even you, do really Know what this reality is all about. It's is a mystery beyond anyones grasp,
and this mystery is as far as I am concerned the very beauty behind our existence.

If your aim is to be a true spiritual being, throw away all dogmas and open up to the beauty of the Mystery.

Organized religions are anti-spiritual prisons making the devotee believe he is home.

True spirituality is being  poised in the middle of an eternal universe with an open mind and an open heart,
taking full responsibility for ones own actions.

Religious Books are baits of the controlling mind, you are a lot closer to God when alone in unspoiled nature.

Gwandau


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 30, 2010, 12:42:57 AM
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OK, TechStuf, I understand you are taking things in life very seriously. I don´t.

A nugget of wisdom that applies to nearly everyone.  I am simply taking the things in this life that I believe to be serious.....(insert drum roll here)....

Seriously!

Do you mean to imply I take everything seriously?  If not, then your statement is wholly moot.  If so, then who is being too serious, judgmental?  There is One Who will judge us all.

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Still, it never passes beyond the 28.8 degree limit, so even this would be a piece of cake to check. Will do this as soon as
possible.

To me, one of the saddest mysteries in life is how so many individuals can immerse themselves in mysteries, avoiding Useful Truths, and end up playing the mystified traitors to their own souls......

Like these guys below, who among myriad others, worship at the feet of their "worshipful masters" in the mystery schools:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

I'll take the Word of God, spoken or written, any day.  Those plain Truths so simple, a child can understand them.   For all that is founded upon anything else, will fall.  And as for the Christian view being "self important" as you say.....then you obviously never studied the words of Christ who taught against self importance and exemplified His Teaching by His Perfect actions.  The rest of us, all, are hypocrites, in dire need of adhering to His Supreme example.

I choose to take Him at His Word that He will come soon to redeem those Judged redeemable, and that the signs now taking place are in direct fulfillment of His Promise.

There will be plenty of time for me to "Lighten Up" upon His Arrival.  Until then, I share the Truth as I know it to be, with as many as will see and hear.


Mysteries be damned. 


For there is not a thing now hidden that will not soon be uncovered.  All things will be revealed......for who and what they really are.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2010, 05:42:05 AM
The sun, earth and moon are all exactly where they are supposed to be here in Kentucky, USA.  No changes at all.

When you speak of the earth's "winter tilt" or summer tilt" this is not accurate at all.  There is, after all, only one tilt of the earth relative to its axial spin and that never changes.  It is only in our orbit around the sun that, in winter, the northern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun and then in the summer, without the tilt changing at all, we are leaning with the northern hemisphere facing toward the sun.  Check out any orbital model to see what I am trying to tell you.

"God does not play dice".

Albert Einstein.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 30, 2010, 06:15:04 AM
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The sun, earth and moon are all exactly where they are supposed to be here in Kentucky, USA.  No changes at all.

Your stalwort faith that all is as it once was, won't make it so.  I have already well proven that such cannot be the case.  But of course, it is easy for one to adapt one's thinking to the conditions at hand.  I too, could discount what is taking place and say that such changes are 'supposed' to happen so all is normal or, there are "no changes at all".  But changes from when exactly?  No changes since yesterday?  A year ago? 

Take for instance the sunset location and descent angle at this time.  Rather than simply (and unpersuasively) claim "No changes at all"....perhaps your claim would be more persuasive if you take a few time lapse photos right before sunset to show the direction and descent angle of the sun as it dips below the horizon and we can compare information with one another, or the videos from yesteryear.

You are certainly free to believe that all is normal. 

If God's Word is wrong and you are right, then you have absolutely nothing about which to be concerned.

If, however, as God's Word has lovingly forewarned, these things are truly taking place at this late hour, just as shown in the evidence I have previously provided....


Then concern is warranted.  And as Christ has said, "Each must work out his own salvation".


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2010, 06:31:28 AM
Tech:

It is not my faith that makes it so.  It is numbers, mathematics and astronomy that makes it so.  The laws of nature, designed by the God of your choice.

So, it is not that I believe that there is no change to the tilt angle of the earth, there is NOT any change to the tilt angle of the earth.

This does not have to do with faith, it is science.  If the God that you believe in wanted to wipe out the earth, he/she would not have to change the tilt angle to do so.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 30, 2010, 08:30:08 PM
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If the God that you believe in wanted to wipe out the earth, he/she would not have to change the tilt angle to do so.

No, quite right.  Besides, man is doing a bang up job of that on his own. 

Yet some are reminded of The Global Flood of yesteryear, back when the world, aside from our plethora of technological advances, was in a similar condition to ours.....you know....pretty much taken over by devil worshippers and their servants, which seems to have set quite a lasting example.  After having been brought about by man's inhumanity to his fellow man.

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

http://www.throneofgod.com/NoahsArk/noahsark.html

Pirate, you can certainly keep right on trusting the numbers, which, if one has his head down, are quite serviceable at allowing one to ignore the elephant in the living room.....the emperor's absence of clothes.

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm

The heavenly bodies are shaken......Earthquakes, Volcanoes, Tsunami, rogue waves, and mysterious tides are arriving just as our Creator forewarned.

A young man named Joe Brandt once had a recurring dream while in the hospital back in 1937:

http://www.prophecynewsheadlines.com/2010/03/03/joe-brandts-california-earthquake-vision/comment-page-1/#comment-31593

Seems to have gotten alot of details correct so far.  And considering the volcanoes and earthquakes which now practically make the daily news.....not to mention the fact that the earth's crust is proportionally 3 to 4 times thinner than an egg shell, when the following occurs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYO4rA12EE

It really puts our Father's warnings in perspective....

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

Many are now waking up to the fact that their planet is wobbling like a drunkard, just as foretold, and when that wobble suddenly allows the planet to flip, or "fall" over, how one has lived his life will be foremost on his mind...and too late for many.

Now is the time to make the necessary changes in one's life, in order to be properly prepared for the Greater One to come.

And, at least for the moment, one is free to make what observations one may, and share them to all who might pay heed. 



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ,



TS



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 04, 2010, 04:54:49 AM

Been watching the moon move way north of it's former course and stay there for longer than normal.  If there is such a thing as "normal" these days.

Yet another strong quake....this time in New Zealand.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/09/03/new.zealand.quake/index.html

And Mt. Sinabung erupted in North Sumatra:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/image.cfm?c_id=2&gal_objectid=10670864&gallery_id=113675#7072632


"There will be earthquakes in diverse places".....


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: sm0ky2 on September 04, 2010, 06:15:53 AM
and the earth will wobble to anf fro, and a 6-horned monstor will come out of the ground and eat you alive, because you have sinned and did not repent.

i always loved that story.
you have this super-creature that creates and controls the whole world.
and he leaves you a message, telling you how to save yourself from HIM, when he comes later to decide the fate of your eternity..
--------------------------------------------------------


For all 47 Generations that this mythology has been worshipped,
every one of them, thought THEIRS would be the one when christ returned.. they were all wrong.

You truly believe that YOUR generation will see the forthcomming of your mythology?

and by the way, according to its precise schedule, as outline by tens of thousands of professional astronomers, spanning tens of thousands of years.

Our Harvest Moon appears to be right on schedule.
i don't think it will be "late" this year.  sorry..

Just as the Solstice held true as several people around the world humored your sillyness and proved you wrong about the earths "wobble"

So too will the prompt and present Harvest moon shine in the face of your mythological dreams..


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 04, 2010, 07:02:44 AM
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You truly believe that YOUR generation will see the forthcomming of your mythology?

Absolutely, Smoky, and exactly as foretold.  Of course, there's 'mythology' and then there is the simple Truth.  Each must choose for himself.   

God's Word identifies this late hour quite specifically.  Including descriptions of the powers that be, Just who controls the world governments, their military power, their dominion over the air, even venturing into the heavens.  Even their ability to control the weather to an extent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBxSbSkbbc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkxiEZkcfxc

http://www.freemasonrywatch.org/sixpointedstar.html

http://watch.pair.com/mark.html

http://www.cephas-library.com/israel_origin_of_six_pointed_star.html

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/09/297062.shtml

http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/05/join-the-cult-facebook-hoodie-with-mysterious-insignia-found-on-ebay/

The cwhoreporation, DigiMarc, the designer of driver's licenses and State I.Ds for quite a few U.S. states, has a logo which depicts three six pointed stars superimposed on one another.

http://i53.tinypic.com/95mlx3.jpg

Now, for those uncowardly sorts with the uncommon will power and the stomach to have waded through the above, Google image search the following and see all that pops up:

six pointed star canada temple

Also, who hasn't seen Mal-Wart's new logo, which is emblazoned on the foreheads of many of it's employee hats.  You guessed it, a six pointed star.  A geometric 6 within 6 within 6.  The seal of solomon, which 'free'masons and other secret societies worship to this day.  And after enough mayhem, destruction and financial ruin, where can one go to buy food?  The mom and pop shops?  No, they'll all be ruined by then.  Only MalWart and other massive cwhoreporations have the infrastructure to supply the tattered remnant of the masses.  Just belly up the the scanner, show your mark and get your GMO brain dissolving chemical "food".

No, smoky, I cannot allow you to denigrate Truthful observations as "mythology" without answering with at least a small fraction of absolute PROOF that God's Word is being fulfilled at this late hour, for only a fool can discount the mountain of evidence which testifies to the Truth of God's word which Stands Fulfilled to the Letter!


And MUCH more Stands Ready to be Revealed!


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWpQ67J130g
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 08, 2010, 04:10:33 AM
Here is even more evidence in line with myriad individual observances of the sun being too far north in summer:

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The Inuit people, among numerous observant individuals in the lower latitudes were noticing the sun appear too far north for the past several summers, as the polar ice was setting records for loss during these months.  While at the same time, Antarctica was setting records for ice accumulation!

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming091307m.htm

It is certainly no wonder that parts of Brazil, Bolivia and Argentina set records for cold this year, with millions of fish and thousands of alligators and fresh water dolphins dead due to freezing temperatures.  Some of these areas reached temperatures colder than Antarctica for much of July!

http://globalfreeze.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/cold-wave-kills-6-million-fish-in-eastern-bolivia/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec27XJ1CgHA&p=1698B072A56742B0

This evidence supports the observations of a widely increasing number of people who are waking up to the Truth that our earth is shifting.  And shaking to it's very foundations.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 09, 2010, 06:26:22 AM

Google - monster waves cruise


One example of many:


http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2010/09/08/las.fotos.del.dia.09.08.cnn?hpt=T2



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 10, 2010, 04:46:32 AM
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent.
is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent.
is he both able and willing? then whence cometh evil?
is he neither able nor willing? then why call him god?

-epicurus
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 10, 2010, 05:08:03 AM
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then why call him God?


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm


That's Why.


Epicurus, the 'cymbalic' escapist, was obviously prone to shallow observations. 


Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom...


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 10, 2010, 06:39:10 AM

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm


That's Why.


Epicurus, the 'cymbalic' escapist, was obviously prone to shallow observations. 


Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom...


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
that link doesn't explain why, it merely engages in petitio principii by using the bible as evidence of god...

may the blessings and sauce of the FSM be upon you, and may you be forever touched by its noodly appendage.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 10, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
Mr. inebriated,  you do yourself no great service by popping into my threads merely to register your disagreement and derision.  Your childish retorts about 'sauce' and 'noodly appendage' in nearly the same breath as your peppering of latin denote a post adolescent juvenile in the throws of arrested development.  One wonders why you find it necessary at all to do so....other than simply to waste your time, showcase ignorance and feign intellect.  Such statements remind me of these characters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

Who are quite adept at ending up as mystified traitors to their own souls.

Honest readers on the forum may note that I do not visit your threads....at all.  This is out of courtesy to others and self respect.  Concepts you seem to find....distasteful.

Man up and go find somewhere else to play.

As many have already witnessed,  some of us have important things to say and do.


Yahweh bless you.


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 10, 2010, 12:01:39 PM
Mr. inebriated,  you do yourself no great service by popping into my threads merely to register your disagreement and derision.  Your childish retorts about 'sauce' and 'noodly appendage' in nearly the same breath as your peppering of latin denote a post adolescent juvenile in the throws of arrested development.  One wonders why you find it necessary at all to do so....other than simply to waste your time, showcase ignorance and feign intellect.  Such statements remind me of these characters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs

Who are quite adept at ending up as mystified traitors to their own souls.

Honest readers on the forum may note that I do not visit your threads....at all.  This is out of courtesy to others and self respect.  Concepts you seem to find....distasteful.

Man up and go find somewhere else to play.

As many have already witnessed,  some of us have important things to say and do.


Yahweh bless you.
the church of the FSM is as logically valid as your church. furthermore, the existence of the holy FSM Himself is validated by the same 'logic' that you use to validate your imaginary godfairy. and finally, the blessings i send your way are no different than the blessings you send my way. your continued FAITH in this 'late harvest moon' garbage and continued denial of empirical evidence denotes a post adolescent juvenile in the throes of arrested development. one wonders why you find it necessary at all to do so...

you quit posting your religious garbage and i won't post mine...

may the blessings and sauce of the FSM be upon you, and may you be forever touched by its noodly appendage.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 10, 2010, 06:32:51 PM
Those honest individuals who can see for themselves the truth of these things will not be dissuaded by your continual lack of self control.  The evidence thus far provided, is prolific and compelling.  It does not diminish, but is instead growing exponentially.

I have provided much evidence for the Truth of these matters, and anyone not stifled by the same blindfold of hatred and denial that you are wearing will know that.  btw Mr. Inebriated, thanks for correcting my speech earlier.  I guess I was growing a bit weary of your incessant and puerile anti-God 'tantrum', and I transposed the word 'throws' for 'throes'.   :-\


And Be it Known:


To those who have taken up the practice of flying low over my home late at night, spraying toxic dispersants upon me and my family, hacking my computer, and harrassing my internet provider.....I will not cease and desist from sharing these Truths, as it is my God Given privilege and duty to share this message with as many as will take heed and humble themselves before their maker.  After all, time is wasting and as you all know (even if some only deep down) God is watching, and He will judge each according to his faith and actions!




Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 11, 2010, 12:33:06 AM
Given the available evidence, it seems plausible that, given all the tremors and shakes going on around the world, that the recent San Bruno gas line explosion may have been caused by crustal stress.  According to the USGS, a tremor occurred at 6:11pm near the area of the explosion.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsus/Quakes/nc71453305.html

I notice that 6:24pm appears to be the time of explosion mentioned by multiple sources.  Of course, given the small time discrepancy it may be revealed that the explosion was the cause of the seismograph hit.  At any rate, according to a progression of news stories since the beginning of last winter, intensifying crustal stress is causing increasing problems worldwide.


TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 12, 2010, 01:07:43 AM

England prepares for massive quake:


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/198567/Earthquake-training-for-police


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2010, 08:30:43 AM
You can never prepare for a quake unless you know the magnitude beforehand, which, they do not.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 12, 2010, 11:57:28 AM

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You can never prepare for a quake unless you know the magnitude beforehand, which, they do not.

Pirate, thanks for the input, but I think you are missing the main points of the story.  There are multiple ways to prepare for various magnitudes of earthquakes and their aftermath, as history has shown.  We are, afterall, talking about police here, so obviously they are preparing aftermath scenarios. 

Question is, why is England spending 2 million dollars rushing to prepare for such, when she hasn't had one to speak of in over a thousand years.  Something like 11 people dead from such activity in that time.

Something more to think about, on top of the mountain of evidence already provided in this thread regarding our present earth wobble and accompanying signs in the heavens.

Blessings



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 15, 2010, 11:25:33 PM


 9 "In that day," declares the Sovereign Lord Yahweh,
       "I will make the sun go down at noon
       and darken the earth in broad daylight."  Amos 8:9


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 15, 2010, 11:54:40 PM
That is called an eclipse.  God made those too.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 16, 2010, 12:01:39 AM
Pirate, perhaps with more study you will come to learn that there is a marked difference between an eclipse and causing the sun to go down at noon. 


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 23, 2010, 10:36:01 PM
There are more than a few parallels between the 'sci-op' movie, 2012 (as reviewed on page 4 of thise thread) and the new t.v. series, 'The Event'.  These are just a couple in a long line of socio-engineering venues to be foisted upon the public at large.  Below is a link to a recent analysis of the new series, 'The Event'....

http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/09/is-this-secret-facility-mentioned-in.html (http://vaticproject.blogspot.com/2010/09/is-this-secret-facility-mentioned-in.html)

Of course, the trepid few of you who have waded through the previous 7 pages of this thread, are witnessing an "Event" to which I and an ever increasing number of individuals worlwide are paying attention.  One should stand and confirm these things and share the Truth with as many as might take heed.

At least a few of us are delivering these Truths to you straight, not woven into 'entertainment' programs with alterior motives and hidden (or not so hidden) agendas!

Please examine (or re-examine) the information contained in this forum thread.  Confirm these things for yourselves.  As cliche' as it sounds, time is truly of the essence...


Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 23, 2010, 10:51:25 PM
Considering the sci-op junk being given the full court press....their agenda seems to be coming into clearer view with every passing moment.  They wish to "warn" their kind in plain sight or those 'clever' enough to see what TPTB are saying....(without coming out and saying it directly)

But those who believe the Bible's detailed and completely accurate warnings regarding what is taking place, are portrayed as ignorant primitives?  We shall see.  We shall, all of us, see...

Soon enough, when Yeshua, Jesus Christ arrives with His Holy Angels, all will have no doubt as to how well they have placed, or misplaced, their Trust.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 23, 2010, 11:17:43 PM
For those who might be paying attention, please re-read reply  #79 in this thred.  The Christ Church New Zealand quake occurred when the moon was near it's northern most point each month.  Considerably north of it's formerly accepted norm of 28.5 degrees.

As the moon again reaches it's northern limit here in a few days, it will be interesting to see what effects may again be exhibited in the earth's crust.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 24, 2010, 11:02:53 AM
Grisefjord the most northerly town in Canada is now having sunlight type glow on the horizon during their 6 months darkness.

"We have observed growing light along the horizon during the dark months of the year, like a rainbow or city lights. We have also noticed disturbing changes in our wildlife"

http://www.grisefiord.ca/eng/land.html

Sun is coming up from its 6 months sleep in a different place, more south than before.
And it come up 7 days earlier
http://www.sikunews.com/News/Canada-Nunavut/7315

Sunset is moved from its location in 2004
http://www.eh2r.com/

Refraction is the excuse from those who repeat the same mathematics formulas from the 1650's

Climate change is astronomical, so why are they blaming it on unprovable Greenhouse effect?

CO2 is used in enhanced Petroleum Extraction Process developed in 1992 giving up to 40% more petroleum from a depleted oil field.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_oil_recovery

Problem #1 is CO2 is expensive...not anymore with the carbon  scam, petroleum company will get paid to capture CO2 to extract free petroleum.

They are using the predictable climate change from an astronomical phenomena (Venus transits) to justify the CO2 total control and CO2 new currency.

Wait people will see a change in the sky!

Ever notice the Chemtrails? Always running at the horizon during afternoons so the horizon is block by haze, so any direct observation is corrupted.

Any idea why they are doing all this?

If our planet will change its elliptical pattern, we will come in collision course with those of Venus and Mars

Read Immanual Velikovsy Worlds in Collision, to really found out what did happen in our ancestors past and past to us via Myths and Religious fables.

If it is Astronomical, it is cyclic, it happen before, it will happen again.
Secrets societies are passing the signs to predict the cataclysm.

How they could escape from the people in their bunkers without getting mobbed?
Keeping us dumb, trustful of institution involved in made up conflict abroad, and under a total dictatorship that CO2 and the new environment laws will bring.

Why save the earth and the trees if they are already doomed by massive volcanic eruptions and floods?
Why save your life if you are already dead?

Awakens my children, Awakens


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on September 24, 2010, 11:47:05 AM
Considering that all of the elitist and secret societies would be LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG(Keep repeating this word for 5 minutes straight) gone before a collision with venus ever happened I'd have to completely disagree with your statement. 

I'm going to get a half empty printer cartridge... print a calendar till the ink runs out... cover it in tree sap... and bury it.  Maybe in a 1000 years someone will find it.. and start producing apocalyptic 3012 theories. 

I don't see any game changers like that in the near future unless you choose to believe that God is going to come back soon and it's going to play out like many believe.  In that case I put the end of the world at the year 2018.  It would be Israel's 70'th birthday as a reunified state.   To be destroyed by "Rome" again.... (2000 years - 70AD- later in the month of August).  So if you believe in the 7 year period before that... then 2011 is the year you want to start looking for stuff to hit the fan.  What a sad and crazy day. 
 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 24, 2010, 12:17:27 PM
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Ever notice the Chemtrails? Always running at the horizon during afternoons so the horizon is block by haze, so any direct observation is corrupted.


Great observations, Atlastired.  Yes, that is but one of the various and nefarious reasons they spray. 

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We have observed growing light along the horizon during the dark months of the year, like a rainbow or city lights. We have also noticed disturbing changes in our wildlife

We also are noticing strange animal migrations, having seen various insect, bird and amphibian life that are not native to our area.  Treefrogs, Walking Sticks, Praying Mantis, Swallow tailed butterflies among other butterflies unknown in our area, Huge Seagull flyovers, etc.  Also, I watched as the sun rose at an unnaturally low angle in the direction of Maine this summer and descend toward sundown at that same angle over Seattle or thereabouts, from my location in the midwest at 41deg. N latitude.  Then after sundown, one could watch the afterglow for hours afterward, tracking the sun just past the horizon towards the NORTH pole.  I lost track between 1 and 1:30am and picked it up again at about 3:30am as it tracked eastward and got brighter until daybreak in the direction of Maine.  This went on for at least a month this summer.  Totally noticeable and unnatural.  It gave me the distinct impression that, given one more summer, we would see the sun 24/7 as it skims the northern horizon at night! 

As for me personally, I take great comfort that these things were foretold to occur at this late hour and here they be!  Which is why I am choosing to Stand Up and Lift Up my head, and raise my voice!


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 24, 2010, 12:43:58 PM
Thanks Techstuf,

We have to start organizing a amateur "Sky watcher"

First we need to monitor the sunrise time and sunset time, we have to take the time when half the sun is up for the sunrise and half the sun down for the sunset.

Equinoxe is when Day and night are equal, based on their numbers they put September 26 not september 23 as the equinox day, same for march, march 28 was the day when the night and day was equal not the 21st...

That simple measurements proves that the elliptic is changed.

We also can measure the axis tilt by using what our ancestor used, straight up level, put the level upwards and wait until it cast the zenith shadow, measure the lenght of the shadow and with the lenght of the level you find easily the angle.
The angle is 90 minus your latitude at the equinoxes.

The highest Tides are at the equinoxes, and we saw the highest tides in September 8????
All the world sea tides are dysfunctional

We also need to measure the position of sunset sunrise on the Zodiac, as well as the 4 horseman of the apocalypse Stars, called the royal stars when they rose for the first time.

Same simple measurement that our ancestor did.

If the Sun and the stars moved, it means that the cataclysm is near.

All the Mythologies speaks of it.


To read:
Immanuel Velikovsky: Worlds in collision



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 24, 2010, 11:36:42 PM
Great observations, the greatly agitated seas have caused perplexity all over the world, just as foretold.  Judging from the apparent traversing arcs of sun and moon, I too surmise that the ecliptic plane has changed, perhaps indicating that earth's orbit travels above and below the old plane.  What is occurring is right from the script....and what happens soon after the beginnings of these things will also be as foretold.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ





There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 25, 2010, 05:56:23 PM
Why CO2?

Beside the obvious petroleum lobby behing this false witch hunt, the "People of the stars" those who can predict the cataclism time by looking at the planets alignment (Venus), those who survived previous God jugments by hidding in the mountains, Who stole all the richness, technologies and the gold of the previous ages.

Those elites knows and the bible tells us that all the volcans will all errupt at the same time, ash and darkness will cover everything for weeks, know imagine the amount of CO2 that will be spout on earth, it will take years and decades for the vegetation to absorbs the concentration of CO2. Humans cannot survive at high level of CO2 concentration, Plants can.

Even if, by God will, we, good people, survive the cataclism, we probably will die by lack of oxygen.

But the pedophiles elites in their Bunker under the 2012 (Zion) London Olympic infrastructure will use the CO2 capturing and processing technologies to accelerate the elimination of the deadly CO2 concentration.

So the CO2 scam economy and technologies is for them after the "claimed UFO" cataclysm

You are already dead, what are you gonna do about it?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 25, 2010, 08:55:48 PM
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Even if, by God will, we, good people, survive the cataclism, we probably will die by lack of oxygen.

Wow.  You really believe that?  We have a Guide Book that is highly detailed and proven accurate about human history....past, present, and future, and you really think that our Creator doesn't have it all figured out?

The old Ark of Noah served it's purpose....

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm

http://www.throneofgod.com/NoahsArk/noahsark.html


Our Father parted the waters for His children:

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

He split the rock for Moses....from which poured out life giving water...

http://arkdiscovery.com/mt__sinai_found.htm


No, the Living Ark, Yeshua, Jesus Christ, has not, does not, and will not fail His Sheep in the coming days.

For, "Everyone who calls on the name of Yeshua, Jesus Christ, will be saved.  How, then, can they call on the One they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the One of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?  And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" Romans 10:13-15

So everything will be destroyed. And what kind of people should you be? You should lead holy and godly lives. 12 Live like that as you look forward to the day of God. It will make the day come more quickly. On that day fire will destroy the heavens. Its heat will melt everything in them. 13 But we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth. Godliness will make its home there. All of this is in keeping with God's promise.  14 Dear friends, I know you are looking forward to that. So try your best to be found pure and without blame. Be at peace with God. 15 Remember that while our Lord is waiting patiently to return, people are being saved.  Our dear brother Paul also wrote to you about that. God made him wise to write as he did. 2 Peter 3:11-15


There is only One Way Through what is to come.  The Way, the Truth and the Life, and His name is Yeshua....Jesus Christ, the only True Savior.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 25, 2010, 09:56:57 PM
The fact the Noah ark wend up on the top of a mountain, helped the survivers to breathe higher level of O2.

When massive front of volcanic CO2 is coming down on you there is little you can do, Mamouth were found in siberia frozen with undigested food in their stomach, victim of asphexia.

CO2 is an heavy gas who will alway come down at ground level and push the Oxigen up.

Noah was high enaugh that his O2 level was enaugh to sustain life.

Anything below will be have to deal with deadly Volcanic CO2 level.

%60 of volcanic product is CO2, the only way Earth found to get rid of it is photosyntesis but it takes SUN and time



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 25, 2010, 11:17:30 PM
Such thinking is rather defeatist, in light of God's Perfect record of kept promises and the one's yet to be fulfilled.  Study to show yourself approved.

As there will be a New heavens and New earth, those who've properly placed their trust and acted accordingly will not be down here to endure destruction.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on September 26, 2010, 12:49:45 AM
The stories told by the Sumerians ar far older than the young bible, telling us about the cycle of the Nibiru system
passing Earth every 2148 years and creating a cataclysm every other time.

Last Flood was 4296 years ago, and now it may be time again for the great Flood, as so many times before.

So it may not be your illusion of the son of god standing in front of you, but the great Annunaki, our real Creators with their elongated skulls grinning down at you.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 01:39:25 AM
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The stories told by the Sumerians ar far older than the young bible,

So then, perhaps we should discount the fact that the vikings and Israelites reached the shores of the americas well before Columbus, because of more 'official' writings.  It is obvious that the origin of the sumerian records holds a kinship to the Proto-Cananite writings.  After Babel, nations and tongues went their separate ways.  The writings at Sumer are younger than the remains of Noah's Ark and much yet remains to be discovered.

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So it may not be your illusion of the son of god standing in front of you, but the great Annunaki, our real Creators with their elongated skulls grinning down at you.


My "illusion" as you put it, has a perfect track record and He will not be mocked much longer, as His Father has appointed an end to these things, exactly as foretold.

The sumerians were idolaters who misappropriated and adapted the Truth to suit their own base desires.

Sitchin, who largely fomented the "annunaki" myth, clearly had a personal agenda with his teachings.  A much more accurate account of the so called "annunaki" can be found here:

http://www.noahsark-naxuan.com/PR/Gilgamesh%20&Bible.pdf

As one can see after further study, the sumerian records are rife with the obvious myths and embellishments of lesser scribes and corrupted tribes.  The "An-Nu-Noachi" were in all actuality, "We of the ship of Noah".  Not space ship passengers from planet X.

The last days shall be just as in the days of Noah...

http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm

Yes, some of the Sons of God came down and tampered with the DNA of humans, and their offspring were terrible beings, to be sure.  But even as God flooded the earth and saved His own, He promises that this time the end will be a total one for those, who by their words and deeds, make Him their Enemy.

By free choice, many prove themselves unfit for citizenship in God's Perfect Eternal Kingdom, the only Kingdom Truly worth Living for....and Giving up one's earthly life for....for no greater love can a person have than to lay down His life for a friend.  Yet Christ went further, laying down His Perfect life for friend and enemy alike!  We wouldn't be sharing discourse now had He chosen, after the first spike was driven into him, to declare we sinful lot not worth the effort.

At any rate, it is God Who will judge us all by His Perfect Statutes, unlike mankind's corrupted schemes of right and wrong, regardless of Whom one chooses to Believe or whom one chooses to disbelieve.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2010, 05:18:52 AM
The tilt of the axis remains constant at 23.444475 degrees, but the direction in which the axis points changes by 50.2619o annually.   This change in the direction of the axis causes the Earth to loose one sidereal day every 70.401 years, or in other words 1,223.898 seconds every year. Furthermore, it can be calculated from this that one sidereal year is lost every 25,784.93 years.

The change of 50.2619o in the direction of the tilt of the Earth's axis corresponds to 1,223 seconds of time, and this is precisely the difference between the sidereal and tropical years (Sidereal year = 31,558,149 seconds and a Tropical year = 31,556,926 seconds)

With this data we can now ascertain the true orbit of the Earth.  At the time of the summer solstice the Sun climbs at zenith to 23o 26o 494o, but at the time of the winter solstice it climbs to 23o 26o 498o in the southern hemisphere; a difference of 0.4o. This figure then is the difference in the elevation of the Sun every time the direction of the tilt varies by 50.2619o.

A difference of 0.4o in the Sun's position would amount to 0.8o at a point on the opposite side of the Earth's orbit, since the Sun lies at the centre of the orbit.  From this we can see that the relationship between the variation in the axial rotation and the orbital revolution of the Earth is, 50.2619o divided by 0.8o = 62.82737.  This means the Earth's revolution is 62.82737 times greater than its axial rotation.

The Earth makes up for the precession that is brought about by the 50.2619o variation in the direction of axial tilt in 1,223 seconds.  This is the same amount of time that its revolution in orbit takes to balance out the 0.4" variation in the Sun's elevation, which in turn amounts to 0.8" across the whole diameter of the orbit. So 50.2619 is the figure relative to axial rotation and 0.8 to orbital revolution, which means there are over sixty-two periods of rotation for every one of revolution.

Strictly speaking there is no such thing as a precession of 1,223 seconds. It is an effect that can be explained when one knows more about it. The Earth, in common with the whole of the solar system, takes a spiral course through space. This is a retrograde spiral movement, with the Sun at its centre. The Earth revolving in one direction makes a spiral in the opposite direction.  I'm attaching an illustration of this.  Now this whole retrograde spiral itself moves in a circle through space, and at the end of every year it cuts across the circumference of this circle slightly earlier than in the preceding year, to be exact 1,223 seconds prior to the completion of the sidereal year.

As the Equator of the Earth lies at an angle of 23 degrees to the Sun, the retrograde movement of the Earth will cause the light of the Sun to reach the Equator 1,223 seconds before the Earth itself crosses this circumference. The annual rate of precession is 50.2619o on this spiral, means it takes the Earth 25,784.93 years to complete a whole cycle.  The imaginary line that the spiral movement describes in space lies at right angles to the inclination. Since it contains the greater land mass, the North Pole is thrown slightly off balance by the resultant centrifugal force and moves to the outside of the spiral track, whereas the South Pole, with the lesser land mass, moves to the inside of the track.

So the annual precession is not strictly speaking a displacement, but rather the direction the spiral follows, or a tendency of the poles to move under the unbalanced action of the differing centrifugal force at the two poles. This tendency throws one pole to the outside of the spiral track and pulls the other to the inside of it, this in turn causes the Equator to alter its position in relation to the Sun, without any alteration in the angle of the axial inclination itself.

At the moment there is not an actual variation in the axial inclination, but it could happen, and that would be a catastrophe, the like of which we have never witnessed in modern times.  It has happened in the course of the Earth's history, and many lands vanished to the bottom of the oceans.

Behold the wisdom of God, who protects the planets close to the Sun by giving them a cloak of dense atmosphere and ether, and gives those distant ones, whose speed of revolution is low, a thin covering.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 05:58:27 AM
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At the moment there is not an actual variation in the axial inclination, but it could happen, and that would be a catastrophe, the like of which we have never witnessed in modern times.  It has happened in the course of the Earth's history, and many lands vanished to the bottom of the oceans.

Be that as it "may".....the facts are: the moon is north of it's former limit, we have perplexing tides, increasing rogue waves, rougher seas, tsunami and earthquakes...and the sun now rises and sets MUCH further north in summer and south in winter and at angles far shallower than in years before the Great Tsunami of 2004.  A change in earth's orbtial plane would account for some of these observations.  There is no shortage of Chemtrail spraying to obfuscate some of these events.  Alot of spraying on the horizon at sunup and sundown in recent years.  The rise and descent angles, and apparent traversing arcs of sun and moon have changed considerably.

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%e2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%e2%80%ba-create-new-post-%e2%80%94-wordpress/

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated

To those honest with themselves and studious enough to personally confirm these things, it is obvious that there is a virtual multimedia wide blackout of these things, as well as reports that meteorologists and other "professionals" must sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these truths, or be summarily dismissed.

Considering all the sources of information I have shared at this site and others, I am content that I have met my burden of proof that Luke 21:25-28 are undergoing fulfillment at this time.

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2010, 06:23:55 AM
Be that as it "may".....the facts are: the moon is north of it's former limit, we have perplexing tides, increasing rogue waves, rougher seas, tsunami and earthquakes...and the sun now rises and sets MUCH further north in summer and south in winter and at angles far shallower than in years before the Great Tsunami of 2004.  A change in earth's orbtial plane would account for some of these observations.  There is no shortage of Chemtrail spraying to obfuscate some of these events.  Alot of spraying on the horizon at sunup and sundown in recent years.  The rise and descent angles, and apparent traversing arcs of sun and moon have changed considerably.

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%e2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%e2%80%ba-create-new-post-%e2%80%94-wordpress/

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated

To those honest with themselves and studious enough to personally confirm these things, it is obvious that there is a virtual multimedia wide blackout of these things, as well as reports that meteorologists and other "professionals" must sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these truths, or be summarily dismissed.

Considering all the sources of information I have shared at this site and others, I am content that I have met my burden of proof that Luke 21:25-28 are undergoing fulfillment at this time.

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

By having an unbalance in the melting of the ice-caps will cause a reduction in the mass at one pole and will affect the amount of centrifugal force developed, thus altering the inclination of the Earth's axis.  When this happens land will emerge from the Pacific Ocean, and from the North and South Atlantic.

The emergence of these new land masses will change the level of the oceans, causing flooding in the low-lying countries. The present course of ocean currents will also be changed, giving rise to very different conditions to those now prevailing.
                                                 
One change brings a number of others in its wake; even the biological conditions of life can be affected. The change in the mass at the North Pole will cause a reduction in the angle of inclination of the Earth's axis. It is the Earth's rotation that creates the centrifugal force that forms the continents. The present angle of 23 degree is responsible for the existence of the land masses in the northern hemisphere; if the angle of inclination is altered, then land masses will appear in other places, until the proper balance is restored. Some continents will re-appear the north of Russia, Greenland and the north of Canada will disappear.  Have you seen this happen yet?  NO!

The process would be slow until the North Pole reaches a high enough temperature to cause a widespread thaw, then it could happen in a night.  It will be brought home to us by a tremendous earthquake that will shake the Earth to its foundations. Cities will fall in ruins and great cracks will appear in the surface of the Earth. The effects will be catastrophic. By balancing off the radioactivity at the poles, so that there is an equal thaw at both the South and the North Poles will prevent any undue unbalance in the mass, and the Earth's spiral movement will remain unaffected. 

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 09:41:36 AM
Perhaps you only skimmed this thread, as the beginning of these things is well proven to be already underway....

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It will be brought home to us by a tremendous earthquake that will shake the Earth to its foundations. Cities will fall in ruins and great cracks will appear in the surface of the Earth. The effects will be catastrophic.

As God's Word has revealed, mountains will become valleys, and valleys become mountains, the islands will have fled away....

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The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

One is free to ignore the plethoric evidence, yet as the numerous evidentiary links in this thread prove, MAJOR changes are happening now.

There is no time like the present to study God's Word and ask Him for help and guidance in the name of Yeshua, Jesus Christ.  This earthly test is almost complete.  God does not look at the first three finishers and forget the rest, like some olympic race.  It is by our weaknesses that we be made Strong.  Time is of the essence, the hour is late.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dpGWYZMDc
 


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 26, 2010, 09:54:43 AM
With all due respect, none of what you have said here is "well proven".  Only wild speculation which is fine as far as it goes.

The moon is still in perfect alignment in my part of the world, for what that is worth.

If you truly believe this why are you here?  If you believe we only have days to live why not spend them with your loved ones and not on some forum?

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 10:41:11 AM
The tilt of the axis remains constant at 23.444475 degrees

This is another exemple of someone who cant reason for himself and result to parroting what others are saying.
We know the official numbers based on century old observation data.

The problem now is that the observation data bring forward by credible sources describe the sun higher than before. (No Pirate88179 you do not qualify as a credible source, sorry)
So Im sorry to disturb your fluffy little world, but if the observation dont fit your "constant" anymore you gonna have to find another "constant".

When did you calculate the Earth axis for the last time? First do you know how to calculate it?
Do yourself a favor and understand what you are parroting before putting your ass on your head.

Im confuse to where should I classify you, either you are too naive to question anything, or you are too floridated to be able to understand any concept or worst you are another desinfo agent who is paid to tell us that everything is normal and to go back to our tv sets...



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 26, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
The only disinfo agents are you guys saying the world ends tomorrow.  Again, if you believe this, why are you here?  hard science has the facts and the real numbers.  You guys are just making this up for who knows what reasons.

If it were true, you should be kissing your asses goodbye but no, you are here on your computer spouting this bs instead.  What a waste of your last days on earth.

If this were true, God would have told me.  But he didn't, so it isn't.  If your God told you this is true, he is just messing with you for fun.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 11:05:22 AM
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With all due respect, none of what you have said here is "well proven".

Neither are the stars well proven to exist to a blind man, but our Father hung them all, like the sphere of the Earth, upon nothing. 

I had hoped that you, Pirate, would have perused at least a few of the links and found some Truth in them.  Maybe switch the eyepatch and give it another go?  Arrrgghh! (jk) Look, I know this is hard to accept.  It's natural for most people to prefer safe assumption to unsettling fact, I get it.  I really do.  I've been there.  A LONG time ago, but I've been there.

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The moon is still in perfect alignment in my part of the world, for what that is worth.

Easy statement to make, but, alignment with what? Is your statement based on your determinative efforts or an 'experts' figures?  I have shared photographic proof otherwise.  Is your part of the world  small and shifty?  Do you live on a boat? (if it's a Brigand ship, I understand, that mainsail can get in the way sometimes)  The Inuit peoples, who are outside every day and, by cultural necessity, observant of the skies, have noticed.  Why can't many of us?  Maybe it's because we walk around with our heads down, (with many an inviting reason to be sure) or maybe it's because, sometimes, when we're lost in a forest of our own making, we can't see the trees.  Assumably because of the invisible elephants and spiffily dressed emperors which stand in our way.

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If you truly believe this why are you here?  If you believe we only have days to live why not spend them with your loved ones and not on some forum?

In my part of the world, Pirate, we aren't required to neglect our loved ones in order to post to internet forums.  Also, I was fortunate to have been required to take typing class in high school, so my loved one's are not in jeopardy of me forsaking them to the virtual realm for very long.

Besides, they are cool with this.  They have been educated enough to read the signs now in evidence and compare them to what once was.  If I am wrong, and the many others whose information and observations I've shared are also wrong, then I hope I haven't wrecked too many lives by asking my readers to follow Christ's example.  The last thing we want is people loving thy neighbor and doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Revolutionary, I tell ya!

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The only disinfo agents are you guys saying the world ends tomorrow.

Tomorrow?  I hope not, I've got stuff to do!  But close enough....perhaps even by man's small reckoning of time.  But if I'm the crackpot that you, Pirate, obviously believe me to be, then what are you still wasting time on my thread for?  Don't waste your valuable time on the likes of me!  Surely you have loved ones that could use the attention?

Nope, nothing to see here, large earthquakes aren't on the increase in population centers worldwide...everything is in "perfect alignment" (love that one) scientists are NOT peplexed at strange tides, rough seas, increasing 'rogue waves' and Tsunami...etc....etc...It's just me wasting time playing a sick internet joke, afterall, I've got pirates to prank and loved ones to neglect ::)

I'm not the kind of guy who hangs around just to say I told ya so.... and when things really 'heat up' and fast....my loved ones DO come first and since I technically already DID tell ya so (because I care, call me a softie, I can take it)....

I trust that those who payed attention will know Who to look Up to for Guidance!



Blesings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 11:09:47 AM
Dont blame your ignorance and you blind faith on us, all the mythologies and ancient religion talks about what is going on today.
They were all paranoid with their solar clock and the postion of the sun at the equinoxes and the soltices, because it is writting everywhere that when it is no more "constant" the Earth will experiment a major cataclism.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote extensively about it (in is book World in collision)and blame Venus and Mars previous cycle of destruction.
We could debate if it is the fact that the elypse is moved to enter too close to Venus or Mars or its because we are getting to close to the Sun that will generate the massive volcanic eruptions and the Earth rotation stop described in EVERY mythologies.

For my part I believe it is the next Venus Transit who will block us totaly from the Solar Wind, but we have to agree that this is the TIME and they know it since 3000bc when the first Venus observation was calculated.

Moses knew when to get out on solid rock, how did he knew?????

Magic, no it was an alien for planet jhvjfnk

PS What hard science fact do you have? They are repeating Kepler 1650's mathematic formulas...anything more recent?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 12:37:36 PM
Moses knew how to predict Noah flood by looking at the planets and stars. Instead of alerting all the good people of Egypt, he played it sectarian and decided to saved the lifes of the Hebrews only, regardless if some were pedophiles, murderers and idolaters.

Jesus in the other hand told the non-jews Moses secret of looking to the Father in Heaven (Stars and planets) for a sign, that he himself will come back as a star (Shakinah) to alert us before the cataclysm. The Pharisee killed Jesus because he tried to saved the non-jews by divulgating Moses secrets. For Jesus sectarianism was a sin and Humanism a vertu

Today we have the same Pharisees telling us that everything is fine and to stay put and die, they are using Disinfo, Controled Sciences, Controled Media and they even chemtrailing the horizon for us not to notice anything...

Well we need another Jesus and quick, cause a lot of good people will get genocided once more
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2010, 01:30:45 PM
Dont blame your ignorance and you blind faith on us, all the mythologies and ancient religion talks about what is going on today.
They were all paranoid with their solar clock and the postion of the sun at the equinoxes and the soltices, because it is writting everywhere that when it is no more "constant" the Earth will experiment a major cataclism.

Immanuel Velikovsky wrote extensively about it (in is book World in collision)and blame Venus and Mars previous cycle of destruction.
We could debate if it is the fact that the elypse is moved to enter too close to Venus or Mars or its because we are getting to close to the Sun that will generate the massive volcanic eruptions and the Earth rotation stop described in EVERY mythologies.

For my part I believe it is the next Venus Transit who will block us totaly from the Solar Wind, but we have to agree that this is the TIME and they know it since 3000bc when the first Venus observation was calculated.

Moses knew when to get out on solid rock, how did he knew?????

Magic, no it was an alien for planet jhvjfnk

PS What hard science fact do you have? They are repeating Kepler 1650's mathematic formulas...anything more recent?

My blind faith and ignorance?  You may be surprised, but my faith is firmly established in God and I am aware of what is written in the ancient manuscripts.

The fact remains, at this current time, there is no noticeable change in the earth's axis.  When there is a major change, we will all be aware of it, and it will be undeniable.

Yes, the tilt does vary slightly over many thousands of years and is part of the normal cycle.  We shouldn't be concerned with this.  What we should be concerned with is a major change in a matter of a few days, months, years, a few decades, or even centuries.

The faster the change, the worst it will be for the inhabitants of the earth.  Only God knows the magnitude of these events, or the exact time these events will occur, for they will not be announced ahead of time.  He will come as a thief in the night.

God will catch the wise in their own craftiness.  He will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  The fear of the Lord (respect), is the beginning of knowledge.

GB 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 01:44:06 PM

The fact remains, at this current time, there is no noticeable change in the earth's axis.  When there is a major change, we will all be aware of it, and it will be undeniable.


We are aware of the tilt change, the birds are aware, the oceans tides are aware, the inuits are aware, the crop failures are aware, the magnetic poles are aware. You in the other hand are paroting the Pharisees and you dont even know how to calculate the Earth axis.

Are you that naive or just intelectually "special" that you dont need to comprehent a thesis in order to repeat it mindlesly?

 

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 26, 2010, 02:20:57 PM
We are aware of the tilt change, the birds are aware, the oceans tides are aware, the inuits are aware, the crop failures are aware, the magnetic poles are aware. You in the other hand are paroting the Pharisees and you dont even know how to calculate the Earth axis.

Are you that naive or just intelectually "special" that you dont need to comprehent a thesis in order to repeat it mindlesly?
it is deliciously amusing (almost as amusing as you guys fighting over which of your imaginary trinities is the correct one; ea, enki and enlil or father, son and holy ghost) when someone who can't even spell calls someone else 'naive' or 'intelectually [sic] special'... paroting? comprent? mindlesly? lol ::)
furthermore, it is not that your 'thesis' is uncomprehensible, it is that you have no valid evidence to support your conclusion.

speaking of naive and intellectually special, the elite were represented by the sadducees (the priests and aristocrats), the pharisees represented the common people...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on September 26, 2010, 02:51:02 PM
W,
Geese can't we get out of that "bronze" age?
Maybe get at least to the "Chrome" age?

Chetty
PS
When you gonna show us how to build the Falcon?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2010, 02:51:56 PM
We are aware of the tilt change, the birds are aware, the oceans tides are aware, the inuits are aware, the crop failures are aware, the magnetic poles are aware. You in the other hand are paroting the Pharisees and you dont even know how to calculate the Earth axis.

Are you that naive or just intelectually "special" that you dont need to comprehent a thesis in order to repeat it mindlesly?

Here's an exercise for measuring the earth's tilt for grades 3 through 6, which should be at your level, http://lasp.colorado.edu/education/space_weather/files/elem/EarthTilt.pdf


GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 03:13:08 PM
GB

You took the time to educate yourself! wow shocking

So when did you take a meter and cast a shadow during the soltices?
So how can you come here and tell us that the axis didnt changed?
When all the credible observational evidences are leading us to a tilt change

Are you paroting someone? Are you paid to say that? Is it a part of you personality to trust everyone without thinking?

Now that you cant proove to us that the axis didnt change try to answer those questions:

Why the inuits elders are testifying that the stars and the Sun changed position?
Why are the magnetic poles are racing away from there old positions?
Why are the birds showing up at new upwards locations?
Why all the tides of the world are now drasticaly changed?
Why are the Red tides phenomenas are now common?
Why the plants are confused and bared fruit early?
Why is the Sun intensity increased in the Arctic?

Well I forgot you cant think for yourself.

You have faith that the Earth axis didnt change, well OK
Hope is for people like you

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 26, 2010, 04:58:20 PM
GB

You took the time to educate yourself! wow shocking

So when did you take a meter and cast a shadow during the soltices?
So how can you come here and tell us that the axis didnt changed?
When all the credible observational evidences are leading us to a tilt change

Are you paroting someone? Are you paid to say that? Is it a part of you personality to trust everyone without thinking?

Now that you cant proove to us that the axis didnt change try to answer those questions:

Why the inuits elders are testifying that the stars and the Sun changed position?
Why are the magnetic poles are racing away from there old positions?
Why are the birds showing up at new upwards locations?
Why all the tides of the world are now drasticaly changed?
Why are the Red tides phenomenas are now common?
Why the plants are confused and bared fruit early?
Why is the Sun intensity increased in the Arctic?

Well I forgot you cant think for yourself.

You have faith that the Earth axis didnt change, well OK
Hope is for people like you

I'm going to make this really simple for you with an illustration.  Watch the video at the bottom of this web-page and of course read the text also, http://www.skywise711.com/Skeptic/Axis/axis.html

As you can see, any amateur astronomer with a telescope will notice if there is a change in the earth's axial tilt.  In fact, a person can even see there is no change in the axial tilt with the naked eye in a matter of hours.

TechStuff has been promoting this idea of a change in the earth's axial tilt for quite some time now (this is nothing new).  I have already researched his claims way before now, and the conclusion is the claims are erroneous and unfounded.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 26, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
GB

You took the time to educate yourself! wow shocking

So when did you take a meter and cast a shadow during the soltices?
So how can you come here and tell us that the axis didnt changed?
When all the credible observational evidences are leading us to a tilt change

Are you paroting someone? Are you paid to say that? Is it a part of you personality to trust everyone without thinking?

Now that you cant proove to us that the axis didnt change try to answer those questions:

Why the inuits elders are testifying that the stars and the Sun changed position?
Why are the magnetic poles are racing away from there old positions?
Why are the birds showing up at new upwards locations?
Why all the tides of the world are now drasticaly changed?
Why are the Red tides phenomenas are now common?
Why the plants are confused and bared fruit early?
Why is the Sun intensity increased in the Arctic?

Well I forgot you cant think for yourself.

You have faith that the Earth axis didnt change, well OK
Hope is for people like you

go back and look. i did measure the sun angle a month ago and it was dead on.
why don't you tell us your results?
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 26, 2010, 08:08:07 PM

 But if I'm the crackpot that you, Pirate, obviously believe me to be, then what are you still wasting time on my thread for?  Don't waste your valuable time on the likes of me!  Surely you have loved ones that could use the attention?



Touche.  You got me with that one.

Well played sir.

Bill
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 26, 2010, 08:18:00 PM
actually bill as much fun as it is to argue with them its for all the lurkers that we correct nonsense.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 26, 2010, 08:18:46 PM
Ok lets do it easy for the slow learners.

The 23.3 is the mesurment related to the Sun elevation at the Soltices.
NOT THE AXIS OF ROTATION like the mindless parrot posted earlier.

The 23.3 is related to the elyptic amplitude/angle, a change in the elyptic will affect the Sun elevation
WITHOUT AFFECTING AXIS OF ROTATION (North star)
(Thats why you have now the Magnetic north Pole racing upwards towards Russia)

The intellectually challenge might have difficulties understanding that you cant measure the Earth Tilt in relation to the SUN outside of the Soltices, because this is an observational number based on the soltices position.

So the clown who measured it last month probably is another of the "paid per line" internet troll

Gravityblock you studied this for sometime now you said? Drop it you are humiliating yourself.

For those who can think for themselves: http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/kozai.html

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 09:29:32 PM
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TechStuff has been promoting this idea of a change in the earth's axial tilt for quite some time now (this is nothing new).  I have already researched his claims way before now, and the conclusion is the claims are erroneous and unfounded.

The Sun now rises and sets well north of it's former position in summer:  Established with photographic evidence from several independent sources.  Mysterious tides, increased earthquakes in population centers, tsunami, rogue waves, rough seas....ALL established by independent news sources.  The moon is way off as well....established by photographic evidence.

Whether one chooses to believe the evidence, or make personal verification is up to each individual.

Some ostriches have their heads buried and all they wish to do is argue about the exact depth of sand over them......

That, in essence, is what is really going on here.

I propose that the naysayers start their own thread in support of their own evidence and see how it holds up for them.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 26, 2010, 09:29:40 PM
Ok lets do it easy for the slow learners.

The 23.3 is the mesurment related to the Sun elevation at the Soltices.
NOT THE AXIS OF ROTATION like the mindless parrot posted earlier.

The 23.3 is related to the elyptic amplitude/angle, a change in the elyptic will affect the Sun elevation
WITHOUT AFFECTING AXIS OF ROTATION (North star)
(Thats why you have now the Magnetic north Pole racing upwards towards Russia)

The intellectually challenge might have difficulties understanding that you cant measure the Earth Tilt in relation to the SUN outside of the Soltices, because this is an observational number based on the soltices position.

So the clown who measured it last month probably is another of the "paid per line" internet troll

Gravityblock you studied this for sometime now you said? Drop it you are humiliating yourself.

For those who can think for themselves: http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/kozai.html
the clown corrected for the time of year just like navigators corrected for the last 500 years when calculating lattitude.
knowing how the seasons affect the suns apparant position you can calulate lattude any day of the year or reverse the process
and calculate any change in axial tilt.
did you measure it on the Soltice what are your results?
are you saying the earths orbit has changed but its axis of rotation has stayed the same?
buy the way the magnetic pole has little to do with the axis of rotation.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 09:48:34 PM
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The 23.3 is related to the elyptic amplitude/angle, a change in the elyptic will affect the Sun elevation
WITHOUT AFFECTING AXIS OF ROTATION (North star)
(Thats why you have now the Magnetic north Pole racing upwards towards Russia)


I agree with this statement, Atlastired, the ecliptic plane seems to have changed.  If we reach another summer, as I have stated before, judging by what was witnessed last summer, it is possible that we (at least those of us at 41 degrees N latitude), could witness the sun never completely set for a month or so near the beginning of Summer, making the sun visible 24/7!

This seems quite possibly related to a change in the eliptic plane.  Our planet appears to dip below the former ecliptic plane at summer and rise above it in winter.

Notice how the naysayers don't touch the mountain of supporting evidence, but only focus on "establishment data" which many people have found "less than trust worthy." 

The documentary movie, "Expelled - Intelligence not allowed" comes to mind.

Since when did lying to one's self and others become such a 'noble' art?  Pretty far back, actually.

I'd much rather be a sincere 'layman' and try to apprise my fellow man of very real heaven and earth changes and be off on a few details, details which sometimes change with each passing month....

Than be a 'professional' liar for hire (subject to TPTB's approval, of course)


At any rate, all will be revealed soon enough, and it will be too soon according to too many.  Make yourselves ready, dear readers, get right with your Creator.  There is a point, fast approaching, when He will cease contending for the souls of earthling humankind.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 26, 2010, 10:20:16 PM
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Well played sir.


Pirate, that depends on your personal level of self control.  Perhaps you will come to realize that the evidence is growing....that MAJOR heaven and earth changes ARE taking place.  Perhaps not.  Are you able to walk away from such a neophytic and ill informed topic as you obviously deem this one to be?


Well played?



We'll see.

 

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 27, 2010, 01:08:24 AM
To those who employ unmarked military aircraft to spray over my location every time I share undeniable Truths with others, isn't it getting old for you?  I've lost count how many times you've made us sick with your cowardly tactic of spraying toxic aerosols.  Surely you see by now, that by making me, my family and neighbors sick every time you spray, you merely hasten and intensify our Father's Judgments.....don't you?  If not, then soon enough, you will.

http://i53.tinypic.com/30dgytc.jpg


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 27, 2010, 10:40:55 AM

I agree with this statement, Atlastired, the ecliptic plane seems to have changed.  If we reach another summer, as I have stated before, judging by what was witnessed last summer, it is possible that we (at least those of us at 41 degrees N latitude), could witness the sun never completely set for a month or so near the beginning of Summer, making the sun visible 24/7!

This seems quite possibly related to a change in the eliptic plane.  Our planet appears to dip below the former ecliptic plane at summer and rise above it in winter.

Notice how the naysayers don't touch the mountain of supporting evidence, but only focus on "establishment data" which many people have found "less than trust worthy." 

The documentary movie, "Expelled - Intelligence not allowed" comes to mind.

Since when did lying to one's self and others become such a 'noble' art?  Pretty far back, actually.

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

Yes the mentaly challenged are stoping their brains function because a little 3D animation is voluntary mixing ELIPTIC PLANE ANGLE and AXIS OF ROTATION. They come here parroting this, showing to all of us how little they grasp of basic comprehention.

The fact that the Sun is coming Higher is pushing the Magnetosphere at a different angle, the Magnetic Pole location is moved and it is now in Russia.

A moved magnetic pole will have effect on conductive fluid(Oceans) and that is happening with the Gulf Stream.

For the clown that measure it last month, measurement for latitudes (Sextan, Astrolab) are based on Stars and references tables not on the Sun, but you claimed that you measured it, Why? Money? Place in the Bunker? Stupidity?

Are you a Pharisee who once again is blinding millions to a sure death?



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 27, 2010, 11:27:47 AM
Any idea where they build their Bunkers?

Someone got killed exposing the 2012 London Olympic site as the New Jerusalem with its ZION logo.

Knowing that the budget for those construction are keep secret from the public it will be the perfect cover for the Pedophiles elite retreat...When the Sun wont Shine and the Moon will be of blood...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 27, 2010, 05:30:03 PM
When the Sun wont Shine and the Moon will be of blood...
is that when your imaginary godfairy is going to judge us?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 27, 2010, 06:23:41 PM
Thats out of the Bible and Rabbinic texts, Immanuel Velikovsky describes it well in his Books
The ancients civilisations speaks of 4 days of Nights at one place and 4 days of perpetual day at the next, the volcanic ashes will turn the moon redish blood.

This is well documented, but an ignorant troll like you will once again proove to us that a jugment is needed.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 27, 2010, 11:18:32 PM
That is just what those with 'ganglike' mentalities want, Atlastired, is for us to descend into the muck and resort to a child's game of name calling.  Let the true characters of all on this thread be highlighted, each of us, by our obvious motives.  That being said....

Mr. Inebriated, since you have absolutely nothing to add other than your childish "godfairy" taunts, why don't you start your own thread in support of your assertions, rather than continually pop in here simply to register your infantile form of disapproval.  Oh, that's right, I forgot that your threads often have a way of self destructing rather quickly. No big surprise.

Surely you have something more personally constructive you could be doing....rather than continually showing your character to be one lacking in respect for the beliefs of others?

"He who doesn't believe in the freedom of speech for those with whom he disagrees, doesn't believe in it at all."

An aphorism in this case, appropo to your displayed character, or lack thereof, goes something like this:

"He who continually mocks the sincere expressions of those with whom he disagrees, doesn't believe in himself at all."

You clearly appear to be of that sort of individual who relishes in "freedom without responsibility", overcompensating for everpresent inferiority complex issues.  You feed on chaos.

I trust that any honest readers can see past your shallow assertions and gather the meat of this thread for themselves, as there is much evidence contained herein.  Enough for honest readers to make up their minds about these things.

Mr. Inebriated, and those whose agendas are by now obvious to most honest readers of this thread, show some character and start your own thread of discussion in support of your theories regarding these things.

It has always been my experience that those who engage in the sophomoric behavior of mocking the sincere beliefs of others and resorting to crude language and incessant name calling in online forums, are exactly the same sort that, in the real world, have few friends and wouldn't dare speak in such a manner at the average real life social gathering due to the palpable fear of having their asses handed to them in their hats!

Same goes for the thugs who cowardly fly low and spray toxins on their god's enemies in dead of night and fly high to do so in daytime, start false flag terror events, and all manner of other cowardly rebelliousness....


Birds of a feather....
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on September 27, 2010, 11:38:30 PM
Hey,

please keep your personal religious convictions for yourself and give us an idea
how to prove that you are right by astronomica means.

I want to prove it for myself, I don't believe what other says, there is too much BS out there..

So, dear TechStuff, take off your gigantic head and place it on the hatrack and start helping
us who still do not have personal proof.

I have no fixed point of sun sets and rises to compare with earlier years, and since it has nothing
to do with any changes in the Earth axis tilt, how do we prove what you are saying.

And please strip down your ego a bit by witholding your personal religious beliefs, since this
does not help your fellow humans in their understanding of what may actually be going on astronomically.

Remember, a too big head wont get you through the "eye of the needle".

Gwandau

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 28, 2010, 12:20:19 AM
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Hey,

please keep your personal religious convictions for yourself and give us an idea
how to prove that you are right by astronomica means.

"give us"?  Really?  "give us?"  speak for yourself.

Gwandau, fellow hypocrite, go and dig for yourself.  For, as is obvious to the honest and studious reader, I've provided plenty of worthwhile evidence and the means to understand it. And since God's Word which forwarned of these things taking place, in accurate detail and at this late hour, is of little value to you, perhaps you should Go and suckle your invisible elephant's teat in someone else's living room....as there are plenty of 'astronomy' websites that will coddle your judgmental intolerance for God and His Word, as well as provide you with an avalanche of 'data' to re-assure you that all is as it once was.


And please don't let Stefan's revolving door hit your transparent Pachyderm's obnoxious rump on the way out this time around.




Blessings



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 28, 2010, 02:54:46 AM
Yes the mentaly challenged are stoping their brains function because a little 3D animation is voluntary mixing ELIPTIC PLANE ANGLE and AXIS OF ROTATION. They come here parroting this, showing to all of us how little they grasp of basic comprehention.

The fact that the Sun is coming Higher is pushing the Magnetosphere at a different angle, the Magnetic Pole location is moved and it is now in Russia.

A moved magnetic pole will have effect on conductive fluid(Oceans) and that is happening with the Gulf Stream.

For the clown that measure it last month, measurement for latitudes (Sextan, Astrolab) are based on Stars and references tables not on the Sun, but you claimed that you measured it, Why? Money? Place in the Bunker? Stupidity?

Are you a Pharisee who once again is blinding millions to a sure death?
i did measure the sun angle at local noon,this was a common method of finding latitude.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation
Latitude

"Latitude was measured in the past either at noon (the "noon sight") or from Polaris, the north star (assuming it is sufficiently visible above the horizon, which it may not be in the Southern Hemisphere). Polaris always stays within 1 degree of the celestial north pole. If a navigator measures the angle to Polaris and finds it to be 10 degrees from the horizon, then he is about 10 degrees north of the equator. Angles are measured from the horizon because locating the point directly overhead, the zenith, is difficult. When haze obscures the horizon, navigators use artificial horizons, which are bubble levels reflected into a sextant.

Latitude can also be determined by the direction in which the stars travel over time. If the stars rise out of the east and travel straight up you are at the equator, but if they drift south you are to the north of the equator. The same is true of the day-to-day drift of the stars due to the movement of the Earth in orbit around the Sun; each day a star will drift approximately one degree. In either case if the drift can be measured accurately, simple trigonometry will reveal the latitude."
i did it at noon because its easier to measure a shadow cast by the noon sun. the tools were close to hand a 4 foot carpenters level and a tape measure. a quick look up for trig. functions and use a calculator. i made one assumption, that the correction factor would be the sine function of how far the year had progressed from the equinox, 5 months out of 6 so call it sin 150 degrees which is point 5.
23.5 times point 5=11.75
measured angle 57.25-11.75=45.5
my answer came out within half of a degree of my location.
it was a ten minute job, anyone can duplicate it.
if you think i measured the wrong thing why don't you us all what i should be measuring and how.
i never said anyone was wrong i said i can't see what they are referring to and what i can see.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 28, 2010, 04:17:11 AM
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Los-Angeles-Heat-Weather-103883779.html

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%E2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%E2%80%BA-create-new-post-%E2%80%94-wordpress/

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100827/full/news.2010.437.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/orbits.htm

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/10qbh9v.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/29krwar.jpg

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/hightides/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071122-tremors-tides.html

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm

http://www.gpb.org/news/2009/07/27/scientists-dont-know-whats-causing-freak-tides

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200907241023.htm

Google - monster waves cruise



Whatever, Whomever, you choose to believe, dear readers,



I bid you Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ.  And may He find you working what is good toward all, upon His return.



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 28, 2010, 06:13:33 AM
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
nothing about how much the earths axis has moved.just the claim it has.3 years old.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Los-Angeles-Heat-Weather-103883779.html
nothing on the position of the sun

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%E2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%E2%80%BA-create-new-post-%E2%80%94-wordpress/
3 years old,lots of dire posibilities, some predicted for 2008.

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
claim of refraction index change in air due to AGW warming.

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
AGW site on arctic sea ice, nothing on suns position.

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100827/full/news.2010.437.html
dead fish no certain cause.

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything
lots of hearsay and oppinion no numbers.

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/orbits.htm
claims back to 2003, lots of conflicting data, seems hung up on sunrise postion to chart earths tilt, i have no idea what this is suposed to mean
in terms of tilt or orbit.

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg
ok. and?

http://i48.tinypic.com/10qbh9v.jpg
a picture of the moon and a street light.

http://i50.tinypic.com/29krwar.jpg
pic of a site line, which proves

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/hightides/
tides on east coast up to 2 feet above normal. no records set,cause speculated to be wind and gulf stream.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071122-tremors-tides.html
interesting but nothing on the sun or moon being out of position.

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
3 years old, lots of sun is in the wrong position claims, only one with numbers, not comeplete,looks like a 7 degree differance, no info on method.

http://www.gpb.org/news/2009/07/27/scientists-dont-know-whats-causing-freak-tides
repeat on tides.

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200907241023.htm
predicted by met officials. 100 year tides.

Google - monster waves cruise



Whatever, Whomever, you choose to believe, dear readers,



I bid you Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ.  And may He find you working what is good toward all, upon His return.


tech when you actually post something that means something, when you post a claim that can be measured and verified i might start to beleave you.
in the mean time the J man said witness to the truth.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 28, 2010, 06:42:12 AM
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tech when you actually post something that means something, when you post a claim that can be measured and verified i might start to beleave you.
in the mean time the J man said witness to the truth.
fritznien

Then please, take the opportunity and 'beleave' me....as I have obviously spoken to no avail regarding you. 

Our Father is measuring and verifying the hearts and souls of mankind at this very moment.

The slippery pivot upon which our world turns is only as steady as the Faith of it's inhabitants, ALL depends upon Faith. 

There are two basic kinds really, well placed and misplaced. 

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

The scientific evidence and eye witness testimonies I have provided, would, in a courtroom, be more than sufficient to render a verdict that both Heaven and Earth are undergoing great changes.  Yet, as some are not comfortable with courts, juries, and most importantly, a Judge (with higher authority than one's self) no amount of evidence could suffice.....until perhaps too late.

fritznein, in any case, don't beat yourself up (or others) about it, you are welcome to find one of a host of suitable threads or forums with the kind of evidence you need presented to you....and with the kind of verdict you wish to hear.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 28, 2010, 10:23:04 AM
i did measure the sun angle at local noon,this was a common method of finding latitude.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation

"Latitude was measured in the past either at noon (the "noon sight")

i did it at noon because its easier to measure a shadow cast by the noon sun. the tools were close to hand a 4 foot carpenters level and a tape measure. a quick look up for trig. functions and use a calculator. i made one assumption, that the correction factor would be the sine function of how far the year had progressed from the equinox, 5 months out of 6 so call it sin 150 degrees which is point 5.
23.5 times point 5=11.75
measured angle 57.25-11.75=45.5
my answer came out within half of a degree of my location.
it was a ten minute job, anyone can duplicate it.
if you think i measured the wrong thing why don't you us all what i should be measuring and how.
i never said anyone was wrong i said i can't see what they are referring to and what i can see.
fritznien

Yeah right, one beautiful day of last month, for no particular raison you decided to take the level
and measure its shadow, you kept it secret until today where you are disclosing the results.

Give us your name, your location and post your face with the results on youtube, so we know what a liar looks like

Tell us more about your parroting belief of refraction due to AGW my little Zion troll
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 28, 2010, 11:34:41 AM
Surely you have something more personally constructive you could be doing....rather than continually showing your character to be one lacking in respect for the beliefs of others?
let's be clear, it's your 'faith', not your 'belief'... there is a not so subtle difference, being that faith is a belief not based on material evidence or a logical proof.

"We must repsect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children are smart."     Henry Mencken
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 28, 2010, 12:16:28 PM
let's be clear, it's your 'faith', not your 'belief'... there is a not so subtle difference, being that faith is a belief not based on material evidence or a logical proof.


Thats is exactly what we are saying about you: You have faith that things are as it should be, you have Faith that the tides changes are normal, you have Faith that CO2 is causing global warming, you have Faith that the sun intensity and elevation in the Arctic is based on refraction, you have Faith that refraction is real, you have faith that your car is lowering %30 of the Gulf stream ect ect

You have FAITH because you are incapable to think for yourself and you need some Pedophiles Fraud to tell you how to think...

Science is based on observational evidences, and we observe change in the Sun Elevation and intensity: This is a science fact.
Refraction is an opinion, it cant be measured, it is a Faith based explaination exacly like CO2 AWG, we never "observed" CO2 affecting climate more than an other gas, but it is a fact for the mindless gullible faith based believers.

I believe you are just a few paid desinfo trolls who spend your days on multitude of Forums with multitude of Avatar to attack the Truth when it shows up.

But the Aliens/Pleiadians you dont need facts for that do you? Where are you when real skeptic are needed?


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 28, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
posted in wrong thread, sorry

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 28, 2010, 07:58:20 PM

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I believe you are just a few paid desinfo trolls who spend your days on multitude of Forums with multitude of Avatar to attack the Truth when it shows up.

AT, sure appears that way.  Surely anyone who has honestly studied the evidence in this thread can see that by now.

You know what they say....

One man's Logical Proof is another's opportunity to showcase one's immaturity.

Well, if not, they should.   :)

Many, and it's sad, will dance like moths around the flames of many a logical proof, yet spew all manner of caustic statements, hoping to distract from the fact that they hang around because they need the heat.  For without it, they are left paralyzed, their weakness fully exposed.

Like many a schoolyard bully, and we're talking the elementary kind, the louder they shout, the harder they try to offend, the weaker they reveal themselves to be.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 28, 2010, 08:34:56 PM
Thats is exactly what we are saying about you: You have faith that things are as it should be, you have Faith that the tides changes are normal, you have Faith that CO2 is causing global warming, you have Faith that the sun intensity and elevation in the Arctic is based on refraction, you have Faith that refraction is real, you have faith that your car is lowering %30 of the Gulf stream ect ect

You have FAITH because you are incapable to think for yourself and you need some Pedophiles Fraud to tell you how to think...

Science is based on observational evidences, and we observe change in the Sun Elevation and intensity: This is a science fact.
Refraction is an opinion, it cant be measured, it is a Faith based explaination exacly like CO2 AWG, we never "observed" CO2 affecting climate more than an other gas, but it is a fact for the mindless gullible faith based believers.

I believe you are just a few paid desinfo trolls who spend your days on multitude of Forums with multitude of Avatar to attack the Truth when it shows up.

But the Aliens/Pleiadians you dont need facts for that do you? Where are you when real skeptic are needed?
nice try with the logical fallacies. you are absolutely incorrect. i may or may not believe those things. you however, have no idea what my beliefs (not faith) are on those subjects, as i have never voiced them. i don't even drive a car you mental midget...

once again for the ignoramus who doesn't know the definition of faith...
faith: a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof.


@techstuf... i am still waiting for you to present some material evidence or logical proof of your imaginary godfairy.


may the blessings and sauce of the FSM be upon you both, and may you be forever touched by its noodly appendage.


edit:
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent.
is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent.
is he both able and willing? then whence cometh evil?
is he neither able nor willing? then why call him god?

-epicurus
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 28, 2010, 11:04:12 PM
@Wilby
This is off-topic troll, If G-d dont shine in your pitiful existence thats not a reason he did not manifest to those who are willing to look elsewhere than their A-hole.

CO2 in AGW aint logical and it aint factual, same for the other exemples I mentionned, So Faith-OFF
I used your oportunistic trolling to address my response to all trolls, thanks for understanding that you are not alone.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 28, 2010, 11:23:56 PM
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@techstuf... i am still waiting for you to present some material evidence or logical proof of your imaginary godfairy.

By the time you recognize the evidence it may be too late for you.

So, please, quit plaguing the forum with your particular brand of "waiting around" and go inflict yourself on more suitable hosts.

I've posted the evidence I wish to post....you've rejected it ad nauseum. 

You've no valid reason to continue "waiting around".






Perhaps go to the coffee shop and see if someone will buy you a Latte....?





TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on September 29, 2010, 02:15:27 AM
Yeah right, one beautiful day of last month, for no particular raison you decided to take the level
and measure its shadow, you kept it secret until today where you are disclosing the results.

Give us your name, your location and post your face with the results on youtube, so we know what a liar looks like

Tell us more about your parroting belief of refraction due to AGW my little Zion troll
my post is in this thread the day i did the measurement, what are your measurements or are you too stupid to read a tape measure?
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 29, 2010, 03:20:29 AM

Look, it's obvious that this topic has touched a few nerves here.  And why shouldn't it?  Many are witnessing very serious changes!

But those that continually attack one another personally, only serve to highlight their own character issues.... 

If you cannot agree to disagree in a civil manner, please go and start your own "anything goes debate thread" elsewhere.

Don't be like the metropolitan zombies on sci-fi movies after a major catastrophe and start eating each other alive....

Those most militant and offensive in denial of impending Truth are often the first ones to succumb to acts of imbecility after it arrives.


And the Truth just keeps on coming.....



Let's see what tumbles in with October.



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ




There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 29, 2010, 09:09:02 AM
my post is in this thread the day i did the measurement, what are your measurements or are you too stupid to read a tape measure?
fritznien
I hope you made a little video, so people could watch you put the level on hard ground and levelled, instead of 1 inch into dirt.
I hope you took your tape measurment on right on the true Sun Zenith a little pass 11h00 AM cause you are under the daytimesavings
I hope you didnt average out the tape measurment reading, like a sloppy Farmboy
I hope you did base your calculation to where the Sun is supposed to be at the Equinox on the 28 of September not the 21

Thats why we do that kind of measurments on the Soltices when the Sun is fixed for 3 days
Because half a degree Higher Sun elevation in the Arctic circle means melting, so this is not the lazy farmboy backyard moonshine operation.

Next time you have the fantaisie to realised the measurments make sure you make a video and post it here.
You didnt make a Video and 5 days earlier you mention you never gonna lift your fatass to check it.

Maybe you used this website: http://susdesign.com/sunangle/,
I can bet a lot of money, that Farmboy Timmy was doing something else with his cows that day



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on September 29, 2010, 10:13:46 PM
TechStuff,

First of all I want to say that I am still open to the possible validity of the scenario proposed in this topic,
since I find the NASA report of the Sun pole abberation in 2006 in combination with the global GPS breakdown at that time
highly interesting as an indication to do some further investigation.

What beats me is the abscence of the thousands and thousands of amateur astronomers that years ago would have noticed
this change in the orbit of Earth around the Sun. It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make
any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.

And it would mean that every proffessional astromomer on Earth would be knowing about this without saying it to anyone,
since it is something they would detect the same instant it  started to happen.

You say there is enough of evidence or links to evidence posted in this thread to prove what you are proposing.

I have read it all and there is not one single piece of information anywhere that proves this theory, just a variety
of indivdual reports of abberrations in the the sunrise and sunset angles.

But individual reports have no scientific validity since you have to be able to employ a repeatable scientifical method of
measurement to really prove anything, and there is no such thing presented in this thread.

If this topic was allowing for a sound interchange of opinions like any other topic on this forum, this would
have been a highly interesting topic to discuss, but since you already have made up your mind and everyone that questions
your view of the situation are ridiculed, communication ceases.

This standpoint of yours not only unfortunately diminishes the validity of the proposed scenario, it also diminishes the
possibilities of a friendly atmosphere and all the values I believed to be the essence of a good christian.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 29, 2010, 11:28:23 PM
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It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make
any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.

Perhaps you might consider applying that assumption to a good many other historical realities that have had many a mouth snapped shut in fear and disbelief.

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But individual reports have no scientific validity since you have to be able to employ a repeatable scientifical method of measurement to really prove anything, and there is no such thing presented in this thread.

Neither do many an eye-witness testimony in a court of law, yet the world seems to have no difficulty establishing Truth based upon corroborating accounts of credible witnesses.  You see, to those I am trying to reach with my "evidence", these testimonies matter.  Besides, it's not like I haven't already supplied meaningful data to those that choose to make use of it.  Gwandau, contrary to what you want, need, or expect of me...I am not here to play "scientist" to you or anyone else.  If what I have posted proves insufficient for you or anyone else, and the next steps one wishes to take, are the few over to the couch to click on the 'telly' and forget this mess....so be it.  If however, as some are doing, those steps involve applying simple comparative science to ascertain the validity of these things for themselves....such is certainly welcome.

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but since you already have made up your mind and everyone that questions
your view of the situation are ridiculed, communication ceases.

I stand by my statements.  Those who wish to discuss these events in a civil manner are welcomed, but as anyone who wishes to go back and check the record for themselves will observe, I will defend my statements in the face of those who have acted uncivilized.  I'm an ordinary citizen, not a saint, and admit to taking personal, sophomoric remarks.

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This standpoint of yours not only unfortunately diminishes the validity of the proposed scenario, it also diminishes the possibilities of a friendly atmosphere and all the values I believed to be the essence of a good christian.

In your eyes, yes I'm sure that is the case...as you have made quite clear in earlier statements.  As for a friendly atmosphere, what common ground can there be between light and darkness?  I am sharing the light of Truth, and some of those who prefer to remain in the dark regarding these things are acting, predictably, with derision and contempt.

I am under no onus nor compulsion to make further attempt to put these things into a more scientific package for those who won't see the forest for the trees, who expect others to chop down the whole forest so they might have the perfect 'tree of knowledge' they've picked, standing in their living rooms in time for the holidays.

As I've told you before, Gwandau....If still, after all I have shared, you cannot see, go and dig, as I have done.  Though the digging's not getting any easier for those who are after the Truth.  I and my family have been harrassed repeatedly in numerous ways, our internet has been up and down repeatedly, computer hacked, our ISP harrassed as well.  I have come on strong with these Truths because they need to be seen, and I may not be on the internet much longer.

However, I did not come here to 'make' you or anyone else a believer. 

Continually seek the Truth with honest heart, eye, and mind...and the outstretched Hand of God ye shall find.


http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ




There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 30, 2010, 08:21:23 AM
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For those who might be paying attention, please re-read reply  #79 in this thred.  The Christ Church New Zealand quake occurred when the moon was near it's northern most point each month.  Considerably north of it's formerly accepted norm of 28.5 degrees.

As the moon again reaches it's northern limit here in a few days, it will be interesting to see what effects may again be exhibited in the earth's crust.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



The above was posted in this thread almost a week ago. 



The following 7.2 quake occurred yesterday, Wednesday, September 29, 2010 at 12:11:24 PM (CDT)


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/us2010bubv.php



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 30, 2010, 09:42:35 AM
What beats me is the abscence of the thousands and thousands of amateur astronomers that years ago would have noticed this change in the orbit of Earth around the Sun. It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.

And it would mean that every proffessional astromomer on Earth would be knowing about this without saying it to anyone, since it is something they would detect the same instant it  started to happen.

Gwandau

I agree, but what if the earth is pushed either up or down in it's orbit while at the same time changing it's axial tilt to offset and balance out this orbital change, then it would go un-noticed by both the amateur and professional astronomers.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 30, 2010, 10:26:44 AM

What beats me is the abscence of the thousands and thousands of amateur astronomers that years ago would have noticed
this change in the orbit of Earth around the Sun. It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make
any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.

Amateur astronomers dont measure the Sun elevation, or the Sunrise/Sunset time, the Moon Elevation, The Sunposition in the Zodiac at Sunrise/Sunset, the positions of the planet in relation to the Zodiac.
They are viewing some distant galaxies, they sometime watch a planet here and there without having any clue about the mathematical calculation to predict where that planet should be based on 1650's observations.

BECAUSE THOSE WERE THE OBSERVATION METHOD OF ANCIENT ASTRONOMERS.

Even a minor North Star change will be associated to the legs or local environement setting of the telescope.

You have people who observe that the elyptical plane has moved, but you are denying it based on your ignorant belief that amateur astronomer are looking at this all day/nignt.

You dont use a telescope to measure the elyptical plane, you are trying to get an angle, not a light show

Proffessional Astronomers are using the 1650's mathematic formulas and observation to predict planet aligment and such.
"Why check, this never changed" Thats what I received from the proffessional Astronomer from a proffessional Observatory.
So Earth could move upside down and They will blame you Eye sight (Refraction) or they will denied it based on Beliefs and Faith

Its up to us folks, Lets roll!
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 30, 2010, 12:46:05 PM
Our Father reveals that one of his angels, at this late hour, would "pour out His bowl" upon the sun.


http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/01/nasa-images-earth-sized-spherical.html

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated


That must be a rather large 'bowl'.....


Recently a huge spot appeared on Venus on the same day an asteroid impact was witnessed on Jupiter.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on September 30, 2010, 01:20:30 PM
Our Father reveals that one of his angels, at this late hour, would "pour out His bowl" upon the sun.

http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/01/nasa-images-earth-sized-spherical.html

http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated


This link proove my point, that they will FAKE an alien invasion to justify the "predictable astronomical cataclysm" that all mythologies speaks about as well as religious texts just to avoid another "Blame the jews for not telling us" scenario

Nasa who previously faked the Moon Landings is by no means a Credible Source for Anything.

Yes the Bible quote is right G-d will cover the Sun by stoping Earth rotation as describes in countless ancestral texts.

One comments read: "Nasa tried to cover it up, it must be true"
Wow where are those people in other cover-ups??? Typical PSYOPS

Regarding the Nasa video "They are animations OK but my question is, why are NASA showing animated films of spheres crashing into the Sun?"
What about simulating a Alien attack on the SUN! With a special UFO technology weapon who will be the cause of the Cyclic Cataclism observed times and times again in our ancestral past.

More you Dig, more obvious is the Scam

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on September 30, 2010, 09:14:02 PM
TechStuff,

thank you for your decent and informative answer, I do naturally respect your decision to accept this scenario as true
without any further research.

I myself feels the urge for pinning it down to the exact scientific verification by a repeatable
method, since its implications would result in a major change in the future actions for me and my family.

The question if the eventual cataclysm is linked to any of mankinds religions or not does not reallly fall within my interest,
since I personally regard qualities like good or bad as something everyone knows by heart without being locked into a belief system.
The only thing I believe in is the right and duty to take full responsibility for ones actions.




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I agree, but what if the earth is pushed either up or down in it's orbit while at the same time changing it's axial tilt to offset and balance out this orbital change,
then it would go un-noticed by both the amateur and professional astronomers.

GB

gravityblock,

now you are cooking! That short line of scientific argument really rocked! Could it be that simple?
It sure would explain away many of my doubts regarding the validity of this scenario.

Thing is we live in such strange times, where dozens of domesday scenarios compete in being the
reason for our planetary changes in climate, weather and geology, and all of them seem to have
fixed their point of climax at the late December of 2012.

Even the ordinary scientific community have joined this race with their warning of possible extreme solar flares due to
the positions of planets and the Sun in regard to the galactic ecliptic plane the 21 of December 2012, which according
to them may destroy most of the worlds electronics, which would be a disaster for modern civilization.

Maybe they are all wrong, and we are just left here on Earth with our own created environmental mess to handle.
A little less romantic, but also a possible scenario.

Time will tell.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on September 30, 2010, 10:52:55 PM
Herschel and Newton mathematically proved the existence of our magnetic field, within which the Sun and the planets move, when they discovered that the point of equilibrium of the solar system  lay at a distance from the Sun equal to three times its diameter, due to the proportion of 1 to 700 in the relative mass of the planets to that of the Sun. It is round this point of equilibrium that the Sun moves.

It is wrong to say that matter attracts matter in the direct ratio of mass and in the inverse of the square of distance. Matter having undergone atomic interaction has no influence on other matter at a distance. However, magnetic fields attract or repel one another, and matter can be attracted by a magnetic field. A force of attraction is exerted on the Earth by this magnetic point of equilibrium of our system, which we may call "point zero." While being attracted by this point, earth is being repelled by the light from the Sun. It's orbit round the Sun represents the balance between these two actions of attraction and repulsion.

Now, a body in space can only be in a state of equilibrium if two contrary forces meet to support it. If there were only a force of attraction without a corresponding one of repulsion, the planet would move towards the point of attraction. If the repulsion were caused solely by centrifugal force, the planet would slowly spiral in, towards the source of attraction.  Without the repulsive force of the Sun, there would however, be no circular movement. There would be neither axial rotation nor orbital revolution. A body impelled in one direction only does not move in another direction. How could Earth move in orbit in a different direction to this repulsive force? Surely a thrust from one direction cannot give rise to another at right angles to itself?

Having explained this, we can understand why planets of large volume are situated at a considerable distance from the Sun. By taking note of their distance from the Sun and their volume, we can discover their true density, and this will also give us the magnetic force of its poles. Thus the planet Jupiter is of low density and, having a large diameter, it is more subject to the force of repulsion than that of attraction. If it were true that matter attracted matter in direct proportion to the mass of the bodies, Jupiter, with a volume 1,330 times greater than Earth and 331 times as much mass, should be much closer to the Sun than Earth is.

If the magnetic centre lies between a planet and the Sun, the force of attraction is predominant and the planet is drawn in. However, if the Sun is between the planet and the centre, the force of repulsion predominates and the planet moves out, its path disturbed. As the position of the Sun changes in relation to the "point zero" centre, each successive aphelion and perihelion of a planet occurs in a different position. The two opposing forces of attraction and repulsion are able to act upon the Earth.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 01, 2010, 01:49:45 AM
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What about simulating a Alien attack on the SUN! With a special UFO technology weapon who will be the cause of the Cyclic Cataclism observed times and times again in our ancestral past.

One may attribute all manner of fantastic abilities to NASA, but they started pixellating the massive planet sized orbs AFTER being notified and asked what was up....and when they first showed up this January 17th, the next day the soviet solar observatory satellite goes down?

Don't forget....it was an "amateur astronomer" that witnessed the Jupiter impact on the SAME DAY as the huge venus spot appeared....the fact that is was the same day is significant.  The orb pics, including independent observations, are, in my view, much more likely to do with our Father's promises than man's tech capability.

The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was given power to scorch people with fire.  Men were scorched with fierce heat; and they blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues, and they did not repent so as to give Him glory. Revelation 16:8-9

Los Angeles just had their hottest day in recorded history.....in late september.  Which occurred after a summer of record lows had just ended!

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/27/local/la-me-hottest-ever-20100928

 Like I said, that must be a pretty large bowl....and given the relative size of the orbs situated within the corona, depending upon number and composition, one could easily see how such could "add power" to the sun.



Signs in heaven and earth as per our Father's Word?



They are only increasing....

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 01:52:14 AM
The weight of light is equal to 410 of atmospheric pressure per square mile.  As long ago as 1873 Maxwell showed that radiation exerts a pressure.  Lebedev and Nichols discovered the same thing.  If the Sun exerted attraction its light would not have weight, but a contrary effect.

Airmen who make parachute descents from a great height get into violent spins and are only able to control this movement when they reach the denser layers of the atmosphere.  There is however, quite a simple solution to this problem. If a body rises to a certain height above the Earth, thus reducing the atmospheric pressure on it, the body at once begins to rotate? This is due to one side of the body receiving more light and heat than the other. The remedy lies in balancing out the difference and supplying light and heat to the colder side.

Earth also, having one hemisphere in sunlight and the other in darkness, is subject to a difference of potential or, more specifically, a binary potential difference, and turns about its axis.  From this you can see that the phenomena of Nature are simple, all resolving themselves into readily understandable laws which need very little analysis or understanding.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 01, 2010, 02:19:02 AM
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I myself feels the urge for pinning it down to the exact scientific verification by a repeatable method, since its implications would result in a major change in the future actions for me and my family.

You see, that is why Great changes sneak up on mankind before his very eyes!  It is easier to believe small details one can wrap one's head around rather than deal with unbelievably large truths!  I and many others watched the sun rise over maine and set over seattle for months this year....and watched it rise at a crazy angle and set at the same angle, descending TO THE NORTH....and glow on the horizon for much of the night as it approached the NORTH POLE......at my elevation of 41deg North, I could see the after glow until nearly 1:30AM, losing it as it approached the pole, and could pick it up again at 3:30AM, increasing with brightness until it broke the horizon at the same weird angle, over Maine.  This went on for weeks surrounding the beginning of summer!

And you need exact science in order to make your decision?  Sometimes it's true what they say, the devil is in the details.

Sorry, but needing the reassuring shoulder pat of exact scientific detail in light of an avalanche of meaningful data just reminded me of a blonde joke I heard years ago....in no way do I make comparison between you and a falsely stereotyped blonde girl.  It's just that the moral of the story appears to me to be similar to the world's situation.

"Two blonde models were taking a walk in the countryside and came upon a set of tracks, which they began following.  Soon they began arguing as to what kind of animal they represented.  Bear! One girl shouted.  Deer! Yelled the other.  And so it continued....Bear! Deer! Bear! Deer!  Right on up until the train hit 'em.


At any rate, happy digging, and may the productive science by yours.


Blessings in your search for the 'evidence' you need.  May you find your answers quickly.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 02:47:28 AM
Scientists have got their terminology mixed. It appeared to them that the only thing that could conceivably maintain the Earth in orbit and account for its revolution was solar attraction, so they based all their calculations on this. In reality the opposite is the case. The Sun exerts a repulsive force on the Earth. Further, as it was obvious to them that a body could not maintain itself in an orbit when acted upon by a single force, they impute miraculous qualities to centrifugal force, believing that it was the second force that held the planets in their orbits. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Even if centrifugal force did give the necessary balance to a planet, which it does not, there is one glaring omission in this theory, namely the force that impels a planet in a certain direction.  They see that a planet is attracted, they also see that centrifugal force counterbalances this attraction, but they do not see that they have overlooked a third force which gives a planet movement. When one whirls a stone on the end of a string, the string represents the force of attraction and centrifugal force plays the part of repulsion, but the individual represents the third force which gives direction to the stone.

If y = F or f= y x M, then the element of propulsion F is necessary to make the Earth move, since it is this that imparts an acceleration to the mass M. It is logical that a body to which acceleration has been imparted should begin to move, but it is absurd to state that this acceleration could be initiated without a force and then maintained without one, especially as there is a loss of energy as the result of the movement of the body against the action of gravity.

Jupiter, with a mass 317 times greater than that of the Earth, should be subject to a far greater attraction than the Earth, yet the velocity in orbit is not high enough to counterbalance this and maintain it in orbit. This planet has a large mass and a low velocity. This being the case, either the orbital velocity of the Earth is too great for its mass, and it should be flung out of its orbit, or Jupiter's is too low, and it should be drawn into the Sun.  Note that I give Jupiter's mass as 317 times that of the Earth, which is based on the force of attraction of the Sun against centrifugal force. This figure, however, is incorrect.

You might raise the objection that Jupiter, with its large mass, revolves in an outer orbit according to the theory that spheres of greater mass are said to be more subject to the action of centrifugal force. Against this we have the case of Mars which is smaller than the Earth, yet is farther from the Sun, or again, the planets beyond Jupiter which are smaller than it, and yet revolve at a tremendous distance from the Sun. Moreover their velocity in orbit is very low. So that does not make sense either.

Scientists forgot, when dealing with the movement of planets, that energy must have been used up as a result of solar attraction working against the two centrifugal forces mentioned. If no explanation was given as to the source of power necessary to sustain the movement, then it is because the problem was based on false premises.

In the theory which I contend is the correct one, this force is derived from difference of energy potential which sunlight sets up by illuminating one face of the planet while leaving the other in darkness. A body which is balanced between two opposing forces (attraction and repulsion) has no weight and moves like a stone whirled round on the end of a string, the radius of its orbit being represented by the string. All the mechanical phenomena of the Universe are explainable.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 01, 2010, 03:52:51 AM

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All the mechanical phenomena of the Universe are explainable.


Certainly, if one has the Time and Understanding.


Blessings



Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 04:14:05 AM

Certainly, if one has the Time and Understanding.


Blessings

With the correct understanding it would take very little time.  With an understanding based on overly complicated and false premesis, then even with an infinite amount of time, one would not be able to explain the mechanical phenomena of the universe.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 01, 2010, 05:44:36 AM
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With the correct understanding it would take very little time.


Yes, but you forget you used those two little words, "all" and "universe".


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All the mechanical phenomena of the Universe are explainable.


See my point?


lol
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 07:44:13 AM

Yes, but you forget you used those two little words, "all" and "universe".



See my point?


lol

No, I do not see your point.  Yes, there may be different conditions involved elsewhere, such as having a binary sun, etc., but the same basic principals will still be involved, LOL.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 07:57:33 AM
God is an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point, constantly causing a deformation of space, continually exerting its influence on the un manifest, and automatically creating energy, and in consequence, matter. If God did not exist, nothing whatsoever would exist. This continual creation of energy in the Universe gives rise to an internal pressure in the nebulae which can be seen in the phenomenon known as "the flight of the nebulae."  As a result of this internal pressure they move away from one another.

You may raise the objection that this pressure is also applied in the direction of flight so that the internal pressure coupled with the external one would make them stable and they would not move apart, which would cause their mass to condense. My answer to this would be that energy created outside a galaxy tends to be drawn into the galaxy, condensing itself into material form. Thus we have an internal pressure coupled with an external decompression.

The flight of the nebulae prevents condensation taking place for three reasons: 1) This movement causes the interior pressure to disappear. However, nebulae appear to maintain an acceleration caused by an internal pressure within the Universe.  (2) As the nebulae move apart, that space which had been transformed into matter endeavours to return to its former state of primordial space in accordance with the law of rotation of masses in a magnetic field. This reconstitutes the energy that had been used for condensation of the matter, turning it into light, whose wave energy goes on decreasing until the moment of entropy is reached. This is what takes place on the Sun. Leaving aside the reaction that they bring about on the planets, the Sun's discharges into space are, in a sense, matter returning to its original state of primordial space.  (3) Light repels magnetic fields. Light from a myriad of suns in the various galaxies produces a very great force of repulsion on all the nebulae, and under this pressure they move away from one another. 

In the first instance God supplied the power that brings about the deformation of space and the Sun, by an opposite process, turns it back into energy, thus re-establishing the balance. Everything comes from God and everything returns to Him. That is why neither matter nor energy exist, but only deformed space, which is called matter, and what you call energy is nothing more than a phenomenon of transition between primordial space and deformed space.

Without a correct understanding of the Universe, then it is impossible to know the mechanical motion of the systems within it.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 01, 2010, 09:40:22 AM

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No, I do not see your point.


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God is an oscillating charge



Somehow, I didn't expect you would.


Carry on then....
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on October 01, 2010, 10:24:08 AM
  The orb pics, including independent observations, are, in my view, much more likely to do with our Father's promises than man's tech capability.


Im sorry but YOU of all people should know that faking videos, faking pictures and giving false testimonies are not outsite the realm of man's tech capacity.

The pictures look fake, the video are fakes and the testimonies look like those of Zionist Rabbi Billy Miers

Im deaply sad that you are bitting to the agenda they are trying to place, stealing Jesus to put some Aliens man-made scam.

The cataclysm will come, Jesus told us what the Pharisees were hidding. Dont do the modern day Pharisees game.
Save a brother from another enslavement.

   
Math24

   20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
   21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
   22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
   23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
   24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
   25Behold, I have told you before.
   26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
Im deaply sad that you are bitting to the agenda they are trying to place, stealing Jesus to put some Aliens man-made scam.

Jesus is not a physical being from another planet.  He is a spiritual being sitting at the right hand of God.  This does not mean inhabitants from other planets aren't involved in our wordly affairs, such as having intercourse with the daughters of men to create an impious and evil offspring or to control the powers that be in order to keep us enslaved and to cause many to deny the very existence of God.  This does not mean all of the inhabitants from other planets were involved in this.  In fact, there are inhabitants from other world's trying to help us, along with other spiritual beings.  An angel means a messenger of God.  This messenger of God can be a physical being or a spiritual being. The great deciever swept a third of the stars from heaven.

There was actually two rebellions in the heavens.  I've already mentioned the first.  The second rebellion was due to Lucifer trying to exalt himself above God due to his pride and beauty.  He wants mankind to worship him instead of the one true God.  He has said to God, that mankind can successfully govern themselves without God's help.  He's also said, he can turn all men away from God.  He is caught in a contradiction, for in the process of attempting to turn all men away from God, he is proving mankind can not successfully govern themselves without God's help.  He can not win.  In fact, he has already been defeated due to Christ overcoming death and not sinning.

Yes, the powers that be may throw a "false flag" operation and fake an "alien invasion" to further enslave mankind, to further their agenda, to deceive even the elect of God, and to turn all they can away from God, before the return of Christ.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on October 01, 2010, 12:48:35 PM
Yes, the powers that be may throw a "false flag" operation and fake an "alien invasion" to further enslave mankind, to further their agenda, to deceive even the elect of God, and to turn all they can away from God, before the return of Christ.


Finally some enlighment!

Here's more from the Reasearch of Immanual Velikovsky on previous cataclysm, as mention in the Bible the Sun will move 10 degrees
http://www.varchive.org/dag/cevil.htm

"Perturbations in the celestial sphere, or Theomachy, in which Mars endangered the Earth at nearly regular intervals during this century, preoccupied the minds of men and repeatedly intervened in human history. Pestilence also broke out, and many references in the cuneiform literature ascribe its cause to Nergal (Mars). Earthquakes, overflooding, change of climate, evidenced by Klimasturz, did not spare a single land. These changes moved entire nations to migrations. Calendars were repeatedly thrown out of order and reformed—and the reader will find abundant material in the second part of Worlds in Collision and also in Earth in Upheaval, where no human testimony, but only the testimony of nature was presented; and this material could be multiplied by any dedicated researcher.

It appears, however, that in the Iliad Homer telescoped into a few weeks events that took place in the space of several decades. At least some of the events may be placed in a chronological order with the help of ancient Israelite sources: namely, on the day when King Ahaz was interred the motion of the Earth was disturbed so that the Sun set before its appointed time;

at the time of the destruction of Sennacherib’s army in the days of Hezekiah, son of Ahaz, another disturbance occurred with the contrary effect: the Sun appeared to return several degrees to the east before proceeding on its regular westward path. It is asserted in the rabbinical literature that the second disturbance rectified the effects of the first—and this is also the meaning of the sentence in Isaiah 38:8: “So the sun returned ten degrees by which degrees it was gone down.”
In Greek legendary tradition the first event took place in the days of the two brothers, Atreus and Thyestes, contesting the throne of Mycenae—when, according to Seneca, the Sun set earlier than usual."




Are the rabbinic texts are mentioning when the cataclysm will hit?
A Book of Stars and planets positions mysteriously disapeered...Hidden Knowledge, only for the Rabbinic elites?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
nice try with the logical fallacies. you are absolutely incorrect. i may or may not believe those things. you however, have no idea what my beliefs (not faith) are on those subjects, as i have never voiced them. i don't even drive a car you mental midget...

once again for the ignoramus who doesn't know the definition of faith...
faith: a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof.

 
@techstuf... i am still waiting for you to present some material evidence or logical proof of your imaginary godfairy.


may the blessings and sauce of the FSM be upon you both, and may you be forever touched by its noodly appendage.


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is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent.
is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent.
is he both able and willing? then whence cometh evil?
is he neither able nor willing? then why call him god?

-epicurus

Is God willing to prevent evil?  Yes.  Is he able?  Yes

He is both able and willing to prevent evil.  So, why does evil exist?  Because your creator has given you free will and free choice.  Without this free will, then we would be a slave to him.  Before disobedience entered into this world, there was no physical death.  This physical death is God's way of not allowing evil to continue.

After this physical death, if we are found to have practiced evil during our lifetime and denied our true God and Creator, then we will experience a spirtual death which will be a total seperation from God and the rest of his creation so we can no longer continue in our evil doings.

Do not believe that God made the world evil, for it is His wish that all should be happy. Nobody's suffering brings Him any satisfaction. Pain, physical or mental suffering and difficulties in general are of no help to anybody, but only show how debased his feelings have now become. If anything produces suffering, it is resentment and blasphemy against Him who continually showers blessings on us.

It saddens me to see that wars take place against the wishes of most people, because poor people do not fight easily. Carnage has become the perquisite of the rich and powerful, of those who need no help and who even renounce God, seeing no necessity for the Divine Presence in their lives. Abundance blinded them, gluttony clouded their vision. Strife is the product of egoism. It cannot be said that they fight for principles, for a man of principles does not fight. The great principles that have guided the life of many men on Earth, and which also guide life on other worlds, are love of God and of one's neighbour.

Man is an egocentric being. For a long time he believed the Earth was the centre of the Universe. When this theory was disproved, he came to believe that the Universe was the result of our limitations, as though wishing to impose his will on Nature by disbelieving anything beyond his senses. He believes that he is the ultra of Creation. There can be no intelligence superior to his, there can be no life outside the Earth, there can be no beings greater than he, man is the only god there is. There can be no other light than that which he sees, in fact nothing exists that does not come within the scope of man's arrogant self-assertion.

If we give a man an injection which causes him to go mad, and he then goes berserk, no blame can be attached to him. How could God expect man to be good if He placed him in such adverse conditions? God does not tempt anyone. Evil is the result of arrogance and the audacity of man in disregarding the divine laws.

The material evidence and logical proof of God is your very own existence along with the rest of the universe. God is an isotropic line parallel to itself and vibrating on itself at right angles. He is like a system of axes in which the point of intersection of the lines is everywhere at the same time. Then He is many, because dimensions are contained within Him, when these are permutated, " n" equals infinity. Please remember that this is an attempt to explain, the unexplainable.

God, being an isotropic line, can be regarded as a system of axes, from which an infinite number of lines go out in all directions. As the centre of this axis is everywhere, we can regard the whole Universe as its centre. The fact that the lines of force are consequently unable to escape from the ubiquitous centre and are always encompassed by the Being of God, makes Him an Immanent figure. Thus, if the lines cannot move out from the Being of God, they can only move within it. But as there is no such thing as interior or exterior, the whole Universe being a centre of lines of force, all the lines resulting from the isotropism of God will be found to be oscillating on one point.

We may therefore call the Universe a point of infinite oscillation. If this definition of the Universe is correct, God is an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point, constantly causing a deformation of space, continually exerting its influence on the un-manifest, and automatically creating energy, and in consequence, matter.  Saying God is an oscillating charge superimposed on an infinite point is by no means any different than saying, "God is Omnipresent".  Omnipresent refers to God filling the universe in all its parts and is present everywhere at once.  If God did not exist, nothing whatsoever would exist.  God is fully aware of all things.  The universe can not be explained without God, thus the mechanical motion of the universe can never be understood if God is left out of the equation, which science has done.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 09:39:59 PM
Is God willing to prevent evil?  Yes.  Is he able?  Yes
did 'god' tell you this? can you provide any material evidence or a logical proof?

The material evidence and logical proof of God is your very own existence along with the rest of the universe.
you don't have a very good grasp of what material evidence is or a logical proof is do you?
my very own existence along with yours and the rest of the multiverse is no more proof of god than it is proof pink unicorns with glitter... ::)
The universe can not be explained without God, thus the mechanical motion of the universe can never be understood if God is left out of the equation, which science has done.
god is a construct of man, he/she/it is not necessary to explain anything.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 10:32:13 PM
did 'god' tell you this? can you provide any material evidence or a logical proof?
you don't have a very good grasp of what material evidence is or a logical proof is do you?
my very own existence along with yours and the rest of the multiverse is no more proof of god than it is proof pink unicorns with glitter... ::)god is a constuct of man, he/she/it is not necessary to explain anything.

The Holy Scriptures provide the proof in that He is able and willing to prevent evil, and this is material evidence and logical proof.  If your existence is not material evidence and logical proof, then there is nothing in your mind that could ever be.  You sound like Hawking when saying God isn't neccessary to explain the universe, and Hawking's appears to be not of a sound mind. It's also not neccessary for us to believe we are breathing in air, but this in no way means the air does not exist, and the same is true for God and the universe.  You will die a spiritual death without God, just like you will die a physical death without air.  Is God neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to deny His existence while experiencing a spirititual death.  Is breathing air neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death.  Is God neccessary to explain the universe? Nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him.

Science says energy can not be created nor destroyed.  If this is the case, then the unverse should not exist, for it contains both matter and energy which can not be created.  How is this way of thinking logical?  It's not logical at all, and you choose the illogical over the logical.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 10:40:27 PM
This conversation gets beaten to death all over the place.  People will look at all of creation as:
1.) Developed by a supreme intellect
OR
2.) Cosmic Fluke

It always comes down to those 2 things.  I prefer option 1.  However, even if I do look at all of these things around me I still have to look at the other side of the coin and say "What If?".  When you pull away all of the ego and vanity associated with "Science" you'll find that both Science and Religion require faith.  If you choose to believe that God created everything then you must have Faith.... If you choose to believe that the universe just magically appeared through some equation hocus pocus then you have to have Faith.  Of Course,  I am downplaying the science.  I have to.  What many of us are trying to pull off here gets demonized by mainstream science because "It's impossible to do blah blah and blah".... really?  Impossible by who's standards?  A group of guys so corrupt - full of ego and vanity?  You can't really throw up a lot of "science" has hard evidence for anything because it could change tomorrow.  We're all here to dig up a truth that has been buried by the mainstream.  Overunity in the public sphere is a game changer thus why it's condemned to "impossible" but we're on the cusp of making that a truth and scientist will have no choice but to change things around.  Even knowing that things are the way they are people will defend modern day "Science" to the death.  They have an absolute faith that these scientist are correct because book A, B, & C said so... OR... they saw experiments (or did) experiments within the given parameters of the Book and they're full time believers now.

Problem with science is we have very FEW great minds willing to go outside of the box.  People just accept Joe Shmoe because what he says is "logical". 

I dunno... I've got a billion thoughts running through my head at any given moment.  I can't really collect myself right now to write what I really want to say.  I find it sad when men limit themselves to another man's limits and stick to it.  We were not there in the beginning to see how any of this reality came to be.  We can GUESS what happened and pretend it's fact.... dress it up with nice equations to back the theory.... the major flaw - Ego. 

I really want to delete all of this and just start over but I have 3 billion lines of code to write in a little period of time...

The whole point to this mess of writing is that both Science and Religion require faith.  You can try to argue this all you want.. I hope you can sit your ego to the side and ponder it for a bit.  You have to realize the faith.... some of the statistical probability of many theory foundations share the same numbers as "A goose laying a solid gold egg"...

It wasn't observed... It can't be tested... it can only be theorized.... and tomorrow morning some new variable could come into play that completely destroys that theory.  When you have nothing but theories to believe in then what are you doing?  "Having Faith"
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 10:40:41 PM
The Holy Scriptures provide the proof in that He is able and willing to prevent evil, and this is material evidence and logical proof.  If your existence is not material evidence, then there is nothing in your mind that could ever be.  You sound like Hawking when saying God isn't neccessary to explain the universe, and Hawking's appears to be not of a sound mind. It's also not neccessary for us to believe we are breathing in air, but this in no way means the air does not exist, and the same is true for God and the universe.  You will die a spiritual death without God, just like you will die a physical death without air.  Is God neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to deny His existence while experiencing a spirititual death.  Is breathing air neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death.  Is God neccessary to explain the universe? Nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him.

GB
the holy 'babble' is no more evidence of god willingness to do 'good' than the starwars novels are evidence of jedi's willingness to do good... ::) your argument is circular, see petitio principii. furthermore, you are putting the cart before the horse. you need to prove you imaginary godfairy before you go using the bible as evidence of 'him'. i would suggest that hawking's mind is more sound than one who uses the holy 'babble' as evidence of god and his will...
as i said before my existence is no more proof of god than it is proof of elves and hobbits and balrogs. the silmarillion is as valid of a genesis story as the one in the holy 'babble'.

you see, i can take your 'logic' and your 'material evidence' and substitute nearly anything for 'god' and it holds the same. i can say to you that you will die a spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster, just like you die a physical death without air. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary? nope, you have the choice to deny his existence while experiencing a spirititual death.  is breathing air necessary? nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary to explain the universe? nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him... does that make the flying spaghetti monster a reality? NOPE. when you understand why you discredit all the other 'gods', you will understand why i discredit yours...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on October 01, 2010, 10:44:49 PM
Ateists and Believers alike !

You just have to admit: Nobody really KNOWS anything.

We may believe that we KNOW.

We may be sure that we KNOW.

We may even be permeated by the absolute conviction of KNOWING.

But let's face it: WE DON'T KNOW A F-N THING.

NOBODY DOES.

And maybe this is the very beauty of existence, remaning a mystery.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 10:50:37 PM
Ateists and Believers alike !

You just have to admit: Nobody really KNOWS anything.

We may believe that we KNOW.

We may be sure that we KNOW.

We may even be permeated by the absolute conviction of KNOWING.

But let's face it: WE DON'T KNOW A F-N THING.

NOBODY DOES.

And maybe this is the very beauty of existence, remaning a mystery.

Gwandau
indeed!
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 10:52:11 PM
P.S. God can prevent "Evil" but will he all the time?  No.  We have Freewill.  That means we can choose to not do good.  What is "Evil"?  Choosing to do bad things.  You might think Hitler was "Evil" ... which he was... but then... we are all evil!  You lied, cheated, stole, etc etc etc.... all acts of evil.  We place our own emphasis on what is evil and what is not.  We do not have the ability to judge evil as God would.  How can a liar judge another liar or a thief another thief? 

If God stepped in to stop all acts of evil then we wouldn't have free will.  Judge all acts of evil as long as you're looking in the mirror with the realization that you can be evil too. 

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
the holy 'babble' is no more evidence of god willingness to do 'good' than the starwars novels are evidence of jedi's willingness to do good... ::) your argument is circular, see petitio principii. furthermore, you are putting the cart before the horse. you need to prove you imaginary godfairy before you go using the bible as evidence of 'him'.
as i said before my existence is no more proof of god than it is proof of elves and hobbits and balrogs. the silmarillion is as valid of a genesis story as the one in the holy 'babble'.

you see, i can take your 'logic' and your 'material evidence' and substitute nearly anything for 'god' and it holds the same. i can say to you that you will die a spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster, just like you die a physical death without air. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary? nope, you have the choice to deny his existence while experiencing a spirititual death.  is breathing air necessary? nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary to explain the universe? nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him... does that make the flying spaghetti monster a reality? NOPE. when you understand why you discredit all the other 'gods', you will understand why i discredit yours...

I'm sorry, but nobody will die a physical or spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster.  You're talking nonsense now.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 10:58:39 PM
P.S. God can prevent "Evil" but will he all the time?  No.  We have Freewill.  That means we can choose to not do good.  What is "Evil"?  Choosing to do bad things.  You might think Hitler was "Evil" ... which he was... but then... we are all evil!  You lied, cheated, stole, etc etc etc.... all acts of evil.  We place our own emphasis on what is evil and what is not.  We do not have the ability to judge evil as God would.  How can a liar judge another liar or a thief another thief? 

If God stepped in to stop all acts of evil then we wouldn't have free will.  Judge all acts of evil as long as you're looking in the mirror with the realization that you can be evil too.

Yes, we all sin and fall short.  But this does not mean we should practice it.  If food is stolen in order for someone to eat, then this is one thing.  But if something is stolen just for the fun of it, then this is another thing.  It doesn't take much common sense, to realize which is evil, and which is not.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
I think we should at least try to be good people.  Even though there's no way to pull it off.  All our deeds good or bad is like a "dirty rag".  The only reason we're going to even have a shot at heaven is Jesus and his sacrifice.  I am not the judge of non believers.  I do not know how they will be dealt with.  I just know that I am a sinner and am no better than they are.  We all have a faith in something and I will tell you now that the faith of the non believers is far greater than the believers.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 11:03:22 PM
Problem with science is we have very FEW great minds willing to go outside of the box.  People just accept Joe Shmoe because what he says is "logical". 
i disagree. people just accept what joe shmoe says because they really don't understand logic.

We were not there in the beginning to see how any of this reality came to be.  We can GUESS what happened and pretend it's fact.... dress it up with nice equations to back the theory.... the major flaw - Ego. 
indeed. it seems to be as silly as perpetual motion... who will be there at infinity point to say "yup, it's still working, spinning, generating, whatever."?

The whole point to this mess of writing is that both Science and Religion require faith.  You can try to argue this all you want.. I hope you can sit your ego to the side and ponder it for a bit.  You have to realize the faith.... some of the statistical probability of many theory foundations share the same numbers as "A goose laying a solid gold egg"...
faith is a subset of belief. a specific case of belief if you will; a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof. i'm not quite sure why you brought 'science' into this, as we are speaking of logic and reason, not science. regardless, science itself does not require faith although some of the theories of popular science may. logic and reason do not require 'faith'.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 11:04:36 PM
I'm sorry, but nobody will die a physical or spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster.  You're talking nonsense now.

GB
just as noone will die a physical or spiritual death without god. i was mocking your nonsense...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 11:07:38 PM
I just know that I am a sinner and am no better than they are.
"the very concept of sin comes from the bible. christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?"    dan barker
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Atlastired on October 01, 2010, 11:08:01 PM
Why dont you start your own tread on Religion?
Your Trolling contract is preventing you from creating new topic?

This Topic is on Astronomical Changes and its Impact on Climate
Not about your opinion on your lack of spirituality

Thanks for respecting the topic
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 11:21:58 PM
just as noone will die a physical or spiritual death without god. i was mocking your nonsense...

Science says energy can not be created nor destroyed.  If this is the case, then the unverse should not exist, for it contains both matter and energy which can not be created.  How is this way of thinking logical?  It's not logical at all, and you choose the illogical over the logical.  You choose nonsense over common sense.  You choose irrelevant things over relevant things. 

GB

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
Logic and reason are nothing more than individual perception.  I am a coder... been that way for 15 years.... my sense of logic and reason differs greatly from many other people.  My sense of logic stems from an object oriented method of thinking.  I break everything down around me.  It's a force of habit to take things down to their base ingredient.  I want to know what things are, what created them, where they spawned from, how the logic behind them came to be, what outside object triggers events within this object and so on.  I believe this physical universe had a starting point.  I believe there was a source before it's starting point.  I do not believe in creating nothing out of thin air in this PHYSICAL universe.  I do not believe in an infinite particle floating around that magically started to degrade into other particles.  If something is moving through space it is because an event took place to make it move.  What was the event and what was the object that initiated that event?  Now lets run into an infinite loop because we'll have to ask the same questions about this object now.  By infinite loop I mean you'll have to keep asking the same set of questions about every object you come across down the line.  So you'll accept the infinite loop or accept a source.  If you accept the infinite loop then you'll accept that "matter" can be created.  Now... if you accept that... let's make that an object... and ask the same set of questions as before.  If you're following a long so far you'll start to see that a source is required.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 11:34:04 PM
Science says energy can not be created nor destroyed.  If this is the case, then the unverse should not exist, for it contains both matter and energy which can not be created.  How is this way of thinking logical?  It's not logical at all, and you choose the illogical over the logical.  You choose nonsense over common sense.  You choose irrelevant things over relevant things. 

GB
i haven't chosen anything, you have. show me one quote of mine where i tell people how the multiverse was and is... you won't find it. want me to show you where you have done this?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 01, 2010, 11:37:59 PM
Logic and reason are nothing more than individual perception.  I am a coder... been that way for 15 years.... my sense of logic and reason differs greatly from many other people.  My sense of logic stems from an object oriented method of thinking.  I break everything down around me.  It's a force of habit to take things down to their base ingredient.  I want to know what things are, what created them, where they spawned from, how the logic behind them came to be, what outside object triggers events within this object and so on.  I believe this physical universe had a starting point.  I believe there was a source before it's starting point.  I do not believe in creating nothing out of thin air in this PHYSICAL universe.  I do not believe in an infinite particle floating around that magically started to degrade into other particles.  If something is moving through space it is because an event took place to make it move.  What was the event and what was the object that initiated that event?  Now lets run into an infinite loop because we'll have to ask the same questions about this object now.  By infinite loop I mean you'll have to keep asking the same set of questions about every object you come across down the line.  So you'll accept the infinite loop or accept a source.  If you accept the infinite loop then you'll accept that "matter" can be created.  Now... if you accept that... let's make that an object... and ask the same set of questions as before.  If you're following a long so far you'll start to see that a source is required.
and i have coded for over 30 years... mint? you don't believe there was a source before it's starting point... a belief requires material evidence or a logical proof. you have NEITHER. you have FAITH there was a source before it's starting point.

do not ask why? be cautious with how? why? leads inexorably to paradox. how? traps you in a multiverse of cause and effect. both deny the infinite.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 11:51:03 PM
This is where the different perceptions of "logic and reason" are clearly visible.  I see "infinite" in this physical reality as non logical.  We can throw up the multiverse but those would still come down to the same set of questions I previously asked.  It is more logical for me to accept that the system was created as opposed to "infinite" particles that magically started doing things without an outside force.  This reality is a construct wholly owned and operated by an intellect far superior to ours.  Everything in it has purpose and can be deduced logically to what that purpose is.  Though many things we do not have the ability to deduce, or falsely deduce through vanity, that is all part of the discovery of it all. 

I am surprised by you saying you've been coding for 30 years and you haven't come to this same idea.  Then again this hi-lights the different perceptions known as "logic and reason".
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Gwandau on October 02, 2010, 01:32:46 AM
Ateists and Believers alike !

The beautiful idea of God energy as the great Intent behind our universe may be true.

The beautiful idea of our universe as something that always has been without neither beginning or end may be true.

Whatever we believe or think we know, things are still exactly as they are, and I really would not bet to much on the
possibility that the answer would fit within the narrow confinement of the intellect.


As far as I am concerned, life is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be lived.

Gwandau
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 02, 2010, 07:03:57 AM
@TechStuf:

We Win!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cfPMKv2fBM

I guess a person needs to be of a certain seed to realize it.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 02, 2010, 07:31:46 AM
i haven't chosen anything, you have. show me one quote of mine where i tell people how the multiverse was and is... you won't find it. want me to show you where you have done this?

Since you haven't chosen anything, then you must be a man who has no ground to stand on.

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 02, 2010, 09:57:37 AM
I offered a simple explanation to show how both an orbital and axial change could go un-noticed by the astronomers.  The sun pushes the earth down in it's orbit due to repulsion from the sun, while the axial tilt of the earth also changes in order to stay in alignment with the magnetic center of the solar system due to attraction.  If you go back and re-read my posts, then you'll be able to connect the dots.  My posts were all in reference to the above explanation, until I was attacked.  I then tried to answer some of Wilby's questions, which led me to be further attacked.

Since the above explanation is reversed from what is taught, I then had to show how this explanation is the better theory than the established and accepted theories.  I offered arguments, both for and against it.  It is up to you to decide if this explanation is plausible.  In fact, you don't even have to entertain the idea.  I guess if I subsitute the word "Nature", for "God", then nobody will get their panties all in knots, LOL.

GB
 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 02, 2010, 11:17:40 AM
I think it would be best for those who, quite logically, believe in our Creator, to ignore mr. inebriated and his inciteful (notice spelling) and derisive posts.

In the following video, Dawkins, arguably the most recognizable atheistic evolutionist in recent years, after spewing a string of immature insults against God, freely admits the possibility of Intelligent Design....and has, ever since, tried to take back his statements.  In the video, I think Dawkins used practically every insult accept "noodly appendage" and "godfairy".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_ZF8r5e7w

At any rate, I feel it would much more productive to ignore mr. inebriated's comments altogether, as he has continually shown himself to be lacking in self control and intolerant of the ideas and beliefs of others.

Perhaps the most accurate definition of the word "atheist" that I have found is this:

One who thinks he can hurt God by denying His existence.

Darwinian evolution was much more easily used to hoodwink the masses back when the single cell was considered little more than a blob of goo....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbcWGU8fpxA

But a blob of random gooiness it sure aint!

The most efficient electric motors yet known (publicly) are those belonging to bacteria!  And some 8 million of these nano electric motors, complete with propellor, drive shaft, bushings, universal joint, stator and rotor, would fit in the cross section of a human hair!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1iCjKWzeEE

Some aspects of reality seem to change the rules when being observed....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

But the pessimistic "those primitive believer's brains are half full" crowd never likes to fully address such evidence. 

"Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing." Hebrew King David 1000 BC

Many a shallow researcher will scoff at the primitive myth that God took a rib from Adam to make Eve.  Yet they are usually quiet as a church mouse about the fact that doctors of today often remove up to six ribs at a time from patients for the purpose of bone marrow transplants and DNA research.  Why the rib and not some other bone?  Because, as is common knowledge in the field, the human rib will grow back every single time it is carefully removed, leaving the basal membrane intact.

I guess the Bible writers got lucky and  simply "guessed" correctly out of the 206 bones in the human body.  More and more DNA researchers are abandoning the sinking "Titanic" fraud that is evolution, including the leader of the first team to map the human genome, even writing a book about why He turned to God.

I guess the part about David praising our Father, who sees the embryos of each of us, and has all their parts down in "writing" rings truer than ever these days!

That 'writing' is the genetic code.  And as any programmer worth his salt can tell you, garbage in, garbage out.  Good code, sure don't write itself....unless even it first was written by a good programmer!

As mankind fervently tries to create men in his image, androids, cybernetics, nanoengineering...etc...

It is absolutely escapist, cowardly and foolish to assert with conviction that WE OURSELVES, despite all the earmarks of fantastic engineering prowess....are not created in the image of God.


Just as He said we are.


There's an old joke, goes something like this:


One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a
long way and no longer needed God.

So, they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with
Him.

The scientist walked up to God and said, "God, we've decided that we no
longer need you. We're to the point that we can clone people and do many
miraculous things, so why don't you just go on and get lost."

God listened very patiently and kindly to the man.

After the scientist was done talking, God said, "Very well, how about this?
Let's say we have a man-making contest?"

To which the scientist replied, "Okay, great!"

But God added, "Now, to level the playing field, we're going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam."

The scientist said, "Sure, no problem," and bent down and grabbed himself a
handful of dirt.

God looked at him and said, "No, no, no.  first you go get your own dirt!"



Just as foretold, God is sending Christ to return and reclaim this amazingly engineered ball of dirt, and a remnant of those made from it.  Those who wish to ignore the Grand string of "coincidences" regarding these prophecies, which are being fulfilled to the letter.....

Just as they deem the incomprehensibly complex status of even the simplest life forms as an unfathomably long string of rather propitious coincidences....


Are sorely missing out on the power and ever lasting Reward of Faith!



Blessings all, dear readers, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ




Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 02, 2010, 12:41:37 PM

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

What would it be like if the world literally "fell over"? Perhaps something like the following....although, unlike the description in the video below, 'fun' would not be a word I'd choose to describe any part of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYO4rA12EE

Do you have a ride scheduled to evacuate on that day?  I do.  And there is plenty of room for you as well. But not plenty of time.


His name is Yeshua, Jesus Christ


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dpGWYZMDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on October 02, 2010, 01:23:33 PM
i know another pld joke.
eskimo: "if i did not know about god and sin, would i go to hell?"
priest: "no, not if you did not know."
eskimo: "then why did you tell me?"



only sheep need a shepherd...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: jadon1979 on October 02, 2010, 06:04:07 PM
I like Pascal's wager.... better to believe and be wrong when I die than to not believe and be wrong when I die. 
If I'm wrong as a believer:  I lived a good life.... even though there really was no point.  Without God or anything after this fragile existence then there is no point in doing good by people.  Love would be a useless chemical reaction and I should be plundering all around me taking anything I want.  Why care about anything but self?  You could cease to exist tomorrow so why not give in to all of the things buried in the back of your head.  I do not see a logical reason for morals without God.  Atheist will argue otherwise .... but this is just to further their cause... the truth is...life goes by so fast... if you're not accountable in the long run for your actions then who really cares?  You might get caught and caged but big deal.  You'll adapt to the cage like criminals today do and live till you cease to exist.  Self control... pfft... for what?  The kindest act one could do, if all of this were the case, is figure out a way to end the planet.  No more suffering for anybody or anything period.  Without people there would be no news at 10pm with a minor fraction of the atrocities of man.  Some would say they don't need God for a moral compass.  To which I say you're a liar.  Your moral compass would be dictated by society around you and whoever is in charge at that time.  If the leader says... no more law... then you would become lawless as your peers.  Sheep.

If I'm right as a believer:
I hopefully lived a good life.  I know I fall all the time.  It's part of life.  I try not to.  I've experienced moments of love and joy that make all of the other angles in life worth it.  I have experienced loss and heartache that sometimes takes those joys away temporarily.  No matter what I do though... it is not good enough.  I am evil.  It's a price for this experience.  Did I sign up for this before I got sent here?  I do not know.  I do know that someone stepped in to pay the toll for my way back.  People ask why pay in blood.... to which I answer.. what is the one thing you love more than anything else?  Your own life.  Life is the only currency we truly have in humanity.  There is nothing more precious or valuable.  Thus;"No greater love hath a man than to lay his life down for a friend".  Would you take a bullet for your best friend?  Knowing the bullet will kill you?  No other thing on this planet to save him but your body moving in it's path to stop it.....Invaluable.  You might say yes... then I'd ask.. what about the homeless guy asking for change on your way to work?  You might consider your life "more valuable".  Even though he might be a vet and sacrificed more in this life than you will ever come close to. 

I can't let my morals be dictated by those around me.  The world has been changing at a rapid pace this past century.  I still hold to the same values that previous generations have and I will continue to do it.  Society will not dictate my beliefs and morals.  Hopefully I wake up from this dream of a reality one day and outside of the construct.  Till then I will always be seeking truth and never settling because society tells me otherwise.

So it's up to you... believe.... and if you're wrong... you'll never know it... or..... not believe.... find out you were wrong.... and risk your soul.  I really do not know if you risk your soul.   Jesus paid the price for all sin.  So sin is dead.  I do not know if being a true non believer really matters.  You just might be covered regardless of if you like it or not.  I hope that pride is disengaged at the point of death for all.  If not I could see Jesus standing there giving people an option... go up the stairs.. or jump in the pit... and I see too many with pride that would jump into the pit. 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Cherryman on October 02, 2010, 06:15:41 PM
Sorry if this is already mentioned, but ain't proof in many people's backyard?

Maybe i get it wrong but..  How many have a solar clock?

See if the time differs and you have an answer about the sun. 

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bulbz on October 02, 2010, 07:28:08 PM
i know another pld joke.
eskimo: "if i did not know about god and sin, would i go to hell?"
priest: "no, not if you did not know."
eskimo: "then why did you tell me?"



only sheep need a shepherd...

LOL, I've never looked at it that way before, you are so right though.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 02, 2010, 08:25:32 PM
I hear the well worn "only sheep need a shepherd" line from time to time from rebellious ones. 

It's usually from those who woefully underestimate the "Shepherd".

Yes, sheep do need a Shepherd.  The Shepherd takes care of His sheep.  He protects them from wolves, even the one's tricky and deceitful enough to wear sheep's clothing.

And Like David, who killed the lion, the bear, and goliath, our Shepherd seeks the lost ones, no matter where they may be found.

Yes, it is true that sheep need a Shepherd.   


But what then, do the sheep's predators need?


That depends on the Shepherd.....


Revelation 19:19-21
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: gravityblock on October 03, 2010, 08:52:45 AM
gravityblock,

now you are cooking! That short line of scientific argument really rocked! Could it be that simple?
It sure would explain away many of my doubts regarding the validity of this scenario.

Gwandau

Could it be that simple?

GB
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 03, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
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Could it be that simple?


Given all the "hidden in plain sight" codes and clues in movies such as 2012 and the series "the event", etc., I sincerely doubt that any professional astronomer worth his salt has missed what the Inuit peoples and many other 'amateur' observers have seen for years.  Going back to 2006 and even further. 

Those of us who were observant of the heavens before these changes began, noticed large, in your face, naked eye changes in the latitudinal position and rise and set angle of the sun at the start of winter and summer.  And obvious and easily verifiable changes in the moon's orbit. 

The Earth having moved in it's orbit, such that it now rises slightly above the old ecliptic plane in winter and slightly below it in summer would also account for the moon's orbital changes, since the earth moving in such a manner would cause the moon's orbit to spiral up and down, covering a larger swath of latitudes each month.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on October 04, 2010, 03:38:05 AM
...  I and many others watched the sun rise over maine and set over seattle for months this year....and watched it rise at a crazy angle and set at the same angle,...

TechStuf:
What angle were you expecting?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 04, 2010, 05:49:15 AM
Quote
What angle were you expecting?


The first time I saw it, I was expecting an angle consistent with the old ecliptic plane. 

Now, having confirmed on numerous occasions that the angle and latitude of sun rise and set are consistent with earth being noticeably below the old ecliptic plane in summer, and above it in winter....I'll stay with that explanation for the time being, as it is currently most plausible.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 04, 2010, 07:36:17 AM
Because whoever has a desire to keep his life safe will have it taken from him; but whoever gives up his life because of me, will have it given back to him. Matthew 16:25


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3dx9baiwE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQHxm9gWkNo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7kMdLHc98


The earth's crust is proportionately 3 to 4 times thinner than an egg shell....these bunkers are massively overpriced mausoleums.

http://franksanders.com/FrankSanders/Frankster's%20Blog/20A8FEC4-34B4-4956-88A5-4B1C37105A4E.html


And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.   And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Matthew 24:30-32


And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Revelation 6:14-17



Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 16, 2010, 06:35:44 AM
Here is some interesting information regarding the present rate of change that our planet is now experiencing:



Sunspot cycles and a weakened magnetic field (http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=other&file=Sunspot_Cycle_24_and_a_Weakened_Magnetic_Field.mht)




Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 18, 2010, 11:07:00 PM
If only Johnny Cash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lhf9U5Wf3Q) were here to see this!   Who knows, he probably has a better vantage point right now...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/218/366/Enormous_Ring_is_Developing_on_the_Sun.html

Considering that a million earths or so would fit inside the sun, that is one massive ring!

Also see:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_sol21.htm




Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 19, 2010, 10:41:19 AM
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10681633

A month and a half later and NZ is still feeling the reeling.

Oklahoma had a quake a few days ago measuring 5.1 and felt in five states.

http://www.koco.com/r/25377070/detail.html

Also, to those who are paying attention, the moon appears to be picking up latitudinal speed and lingering longer at N and S extremes in it's exaggerated spiral orbit.

The following video gives the rudimentary idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IWsf4e49sw

Sure hope the "earth" doesn't get tired and let go. (lol)


Blessings

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 21, 2010, 03:50:32 PM
Shared the following story over at "Before it's news" and, although the link is active, no reference to the story is posted anywhere on the site that I can find, despite all manner of other 'news' stories showing up in the sections to which they were submitted. 

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html


Update: I contacted 'Before it's News' and they informed me that a 'bug' took out both my first and second story submissions and that the link is now displayed along with other news.



Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 25, 2010, 09:27:01 PM
Yet again, rather like clockwork as of late, a large earthquake hits the southern hemisphere as the moon reaches it's northern orbital limit.

http://www.examiner.com/international-headlines-in-national/7-7-magnitude-earthquake-hit-indonesia-tuesday-22-wounded (http://www.examiner.com/international-headlines-in-national/7-7-magnitude-earthquake-hit-indonesia-tuesday-22-wounded)

The following is a rough approximation of what appears to be occurring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IWsf4e49sw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IWsf4e49sw)

Now, imagine the lasso ring as the moon's orbit, only, slow it down in your mind, imagining earth in place of the cowboy and the moon orbiting in the fashion of the lariat.  What we are witnessing when we see the moon cover so much latitude each month, is a spiral orbit, much like the lasso only not nearly as exaggerated and much slower, completing half a circuit each two weeks or so.  The rise and descent angles of the moon at it's northern most point, which it is nearing as we speak, tell the story.  For if one projects an imaginary arc continuing down below the horizon upon moon rise and set, one can clearly see that the moon is not orbiting the center mass of the planet at such time.

This spiraling orbit seems to have been set in motion as earth's orbit rises above the old ecliptic plane in winter and dips slightly below it in summer.  It is at these times, start of winter and summer, that the moon would have been influenced to begin orbiting in the manner currently being displayed, which also would account for the sun rising and setting so far north in summer and south in winter, and the tell-tale rise and set angles, which reveal that we are beneath the old orbital plane in summer and above it in winter.  Think of how miniscule the change in earth orbit would have to be for us to witness a major change in latitude for sun rise/set, commensurate with changes in rise/set angles which are surely what seems to be occurring!


Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on October 26, 2010, 02:29:54 AM

To the naysayers, obfuscationalists, and disinfo agents....Get right with our Creator.  Those who've employed countless cowardly tactics in order to keep this story wedged in the crevices of cyberspace and out of view of those who have a right to determine these things for themselves, should re-examine the old addage, "power corrupts".

HalelluYah, this story is going viral and the many WILL know, and be afforded choices they may not, heretofore, have considered...

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html

Whatever you believe, Whomever you believe, dear readers, Let each be firmly convinced in his or her own faith, and work what is good toward all.


Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: MAllen7424 on November 01, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
We all can be Wrong since the Roman Catholic Church changed the Calendar in 1525 A.D., Papal Bull of Pope Gregory changed the Calendar(Archaic meaning;  Weather forecast) and it split the church to Catholics(church) and Prodestants(state) and stopped lighting the daily sacraficial candle and the measuring of the seasons and the festivals were lost in history. Now I cant prove anything if there is a conspiracy or a weather manipualtion agenda here. But in old Sacred-Texts the the Roman Catholic Church will not Cannonize  the Book of Enoch (Ethiopic -translated by Lawrence), which in Chapter 71 ---
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html#71 (http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html#71)
 Enoch tells us the path of the sun, moon, and stars in a 360 day year with 4 days to be added known as: Spring Equinox, Summer Solstice, Autumn Equinox, Winter Solstice. With the addition of those 4 days the Solar Year is 364 days, but because the Church follows some other off the wall pattern. We will never know exactly when the proper appointed days and festivals fall upon, because the UCC (Universal Catholic Church) has been shifting time from under our feet, which in turn, if correct, has been manipulating our weather, planting and harvesting seasons to make us beg for Government services to survive, subjecting us under contract to their agendas of enslavment. If you are curious on this Enoch thing I created pdfs of what Enoch is trying to say in the scripture the best I could.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on November 02, 2010, 10:39:24 PM

I had the most fantastic dream! Christ was returning on the clouds of heaven! It looked different than I had envisioned. Many bright golden lights were approaching earth with a sort of purple haze around them. I googled 'nebulae' and that was the closest to what I saw. They were moving slow enough for the world to turn beneath them as they approached, so every eye could see! The CLOUDS of HEAVEN, NOT Earth. Amen!

http://i52.tinypic.com/24ys19k.jpg

Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: raburgeson on November 03, 2010, 05:59:26 PM
Well if you are observing in Seattle you might try locating the North Star around 3AM and figure out where you are at. Don't be surprised if you get covered by chemtrails after this suggestion and cannot see the night sky.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on November 12, 2010, 12:09:20 AM
Check out:

Whales with dramatically increased sunburn...

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/10/whale.sunburn.california.climate/index.html?hpt=Sbin

Arctic sea ice has melted dramatically while the Antarctic is gaining ice....

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Sun is too far north in summer, the moon's orbit has been proven to have changed considerably....Quakes, volcanoes, rogue waves, mystery high tides, crazy weather all over the world etc...etc... are all rapidly rising.

http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Los-Angeles-Heat-Weather-103883779.html

http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%E2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%E2%80%BA-create-new-post-%E2%80%94-wordpress/

http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100827/full/news.2010.437.html

http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/orbits.htm

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

http://i48.tinypic.com/10qbh9v.jpg

http://i50.tinypic.com/29krwar.jpg

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/hightides/

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071122-tremors-tides.html

http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm

http://www.gpb.org/news/2009/07/27/scientists-dont-know-whats-causing-freak-tides

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200907241023.htm

Google - monster waves cruise



Whatever, Whomever you choose to believe, work what is good toward all.


Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ



There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

Huge Media Blackout regarding earth and moon orbital changes? (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bob Smith on November 12, 2010, 01:40:24 AM
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Sun is too far north in summer, the moon's orbit has been proven to have changed considerably

Tech,
Does this mean that there will be an equal pendulum swing giving a colder winter in northern hemisphere and warmer summer in south? This was the impression I got after following at www.iceagenow.com.
Any thoughts?
Bob
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on November 12, 2010, 04:44:57 AM
Given that numerous news sources are recording increases in solar radiation, and that many are now noticing a marked increase in the temperature difference between sun and shade the world over, there appears to be a huge increase in solar absorption by land and water mass the world over.  The massive increase in solar absorption in the sea combined with the changing earth, sun, moon dynamics, are driving much of the totally chaotic weather world wide.  The changing sea currents are likely what precipitated the massive fish and other aquatic life 'die off' in bolivia this year, where their July was colder than antarctica and shattered cold record temps.  As these currents will often produce tumultuous 'upwellings' of cold water in odd places at odd times, and vice versa.  Given the fact that Arctic ice is greatly depleted, while Antarctic ice appears to be growing, I am reminded of the work of Hugh Auchincloss Brown:

Start at page 144

http://www.habtheory.com/3/thebook.htm

Also see the following animation for greater clarity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqYO4rA12EE

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/joebrandt.htm

Also, wherever the moon, which makes for a pretty influential dynamic 'lever' if you will, happens to be in it's orbit at it's N or S extremes each month and at summer and winter solstice, appreciably affects the earth's amazingly thin crust (relatively speaking).  And influences the orbital dynamics of the sun/earth and earth/moon system and therefore, seasonal extremes.  Of course whatever happens, I am, as one can easily tell, a firm believer that our Father has it under His control.

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/218/366/Enormous_Ring_is_Developing_on_the_Sun.html

http://www.thebigwobble.com/2010/01/nasa-images-earth-sized-spherical.html

Suffice it to say that man in his rebellious arrogance, is quite adept at precipitating the fulfillment of our Father's promise to shorten the days lest no flesh remain alive upon the earth.

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him. Revelation 16:8-9

However, man is ever skillful at glorifying himself, his ideas, his clever machines and machinations, even the wicked one directly....yet largely denies the handiwork and Perfect, Patient, Authority of a Truly Merciful and Loving God.  This has been and will be, to great extent, his undoing.


There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28

Huge Media Blackout regarding earth and moon orbital changes? (http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html)

Who among you dear readers, is at this time, able and willing to Stand Up and Lift Up your heads, for your Redeemer is drawing near unto you?

If you feel far from God, whom do you think, has moved?  There is yet a small window of time friends, to turn, or return, to Yahweh in Yeshua, Jesus Christ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo

Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on November 13, 2010, 10:49:00 PM
What's with all the earthquake drills and "megaquake" projection reports around the world?

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Mega+quake+would+likely+spare+study+says/3816471/story.html

England, which has had only 11 deaths due to earthquakes in the last 1,300 years has recently spent 1 million euros on a megaquake drill.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-11223266

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1309837/Emergency-services-recreate-earthquake-scene-training-exercise.html

The U.S. is increasing quake preparedness exercises as well, as nearly 8 million Californians recently took part in a massive quake drill:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11603515

So, what's the "big" deal?  Quakes are "old" news?  The big deal is that the powers that be are so hell bent on maintaining the malignant status quo, so fearful of a disjointed, chaotic response to the news that earth is headed, as we speak, for major disaster, (even as they themselves are fomenting all sorts of panic and dread stories in their puppet press cwhoreporate media) that they pander to the lowest common denominator in society,  preferring to keep a lid on the plethora of evidence by which many might make important, life saving decisions for themselves and their loved ones! 

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html

All of the things now taking place at this time, were foretold to the letter by our Loving Creator.  One Who loves His children enough warn them well ahead of time that rebelliousness to His Righteous Laws cannot, Will Not, end well.  Choose Life.  Eternal life. Whatever, Whomever you believe, dear readers, be fully concvinced in your particular faith and work what is good toward all.  Now, and in the coming days.

When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28


Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on November 17, 2010, 07:06:24 AM
Moon's headed for it's new northern limit once again.  Let's see what 'shakes out' over the next few days.

http://www.iris.edu/dms/seismon.htm

TS
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Sprocket on November 17, 2010, 06:29:25 PM
@TechStuff - I've read several places (here too probably) about the "28.5 Deg" figure that the moon doesn't exceed in the sky - is there anyone (professional, amateur, whatever...) that is capable for measuring the 'real' angle doing so and publishing the fact?  I mean, this is the moon, it's not something you can actually hide to prevent anyone competent from measuring the true angle and showing beyond doubt that something strange is happening!

Yet there seems to be no actual evidence available to support this claim...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on November 18, 2010, 07:24:05 AM
@TechStuff - I've read several places (here too probably) about the "28.5 Deg" figure that the moon doesn't exceed in the sky - is there anyone (professional, amateur, whatever...) that is capable for measuring the 'real' angle doing so and publishing the fact?  I mean, this is the moon, it's not something you can actually hide to prevent anyone competent from measuring the true angle and showing beyond doubt that something strange is happening!

Yet there seems to be no actual evidence available to support this claim...
get yourself a sextant, 200$ at Edmund scientific.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Sprocket on November 18, 2010, 08:14:56 PM
get yourself a sextant, 200$ at Edmund scientific.

In a way you are just validating my point - ie. it is pretty easy to conclusively prove this hypothesis!!!

So where is the evidence of all of those people out there who already have a $200 sextant?
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on November 19, 2010, 01:51:01 AM
In a way you are just validating my point - ie. it is pretty easy to conclusively prove this hypothesis!!!

So where is the evidence of all of those people out there who already have a $200 sextant?
they all say the sun and moon are in their proper place.
see http://beforeitsnews.com/story/229/227/HUGE_media_blackout_regarding_Earth_and_Moon_orbital_changes.html
you can measure the suns elevation above the horizon with simple tools like a tape measure and level.
if you wanted you could make something simple to measure the moons elevation, a protractor on a post with a swivel and open
loop sites. should be good for plus or minus 2 degrees.
me i made my measurements and got called names for my trouble.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Bubba1 on November 19, 2010, 03:12:18 AM
I measured the sun last Saturday, the 13th.  I live at 42.5 degrees north and the sun, at local noon, was just under 30 degrees above the southern horizon: right where it belongs.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Sprocket on November 19, 2010, 03:18:35 AM
I don't mean to belabor the point but there are 10 of 1000 of amateur astronomers worldwide, a very large percentage of whom will have have both the means and the understanding to immediately spot that the moon is not where it's supposed to be.  Moreover, any one of these that have the trendier computer controlled varieties of telescopes would have this info printed on the screen in front of them - they couldn't possibly fail to miss it!

It's one thing to suggest that there is a conspiracy of suppression against free-energy, (of which I have no doubt is the case) and it's also plausible to suggest that professional astronomers are sheepishly part of a blanket-ban on this information, but it's quite another thing to say that all of these amateurs are also part of this cover-up.

I just don't see how it's possible...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: fritznien on November 19, 2010, 05:04:57 AM
I don't mean to belabor the point but there are 10 of 1000 of amateur astronomers worldwide, a very large percentage of whom will have have both the means and the understanding to immediately spot that the moon is not where it's supposed to be.  Moreover, any one of these that have the trendier computer controlled varieties of telescopes would have this info printed on the screen in front of them - they couldn't possibly fail to miss it!

It's one thing to suggest that there is a conspiracy of suppression against free-energy, (of which I have no doubt is the case) and it's also plausible to suggest that professional astronomers are sheepishly part of a blanket-ban on this information, but it's quite another thing to say that all of these amateurs are also part of this cover-up.

I just don't see how it's possible...
its not of course,recheck the claim, the change is supposed to be visible to the naked eye. yet no numbers direction or other information that can be checked.
as for the other don't count on it.mother nature is a blabbermouth, ask the right question and get the answer.
to suppress any of the crude methods claimed here would be a monumental task.
it would also require every university and tech school in the world to be in on it.
i have personally cost the oil companies over 100,000 litres of sales in fuel oil over the last 30 years and have never had anyone question why
i buy less or no furnace oil, or use less electricity.
i heard of one man who insulated his house and was accused of buying from someone else when he used half lol.
fritznien
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on January 03, 2011, 12:15:07 AM

The blind who are resigned to their collective condition, are afraid of the Light, even in small flashes.

Yet every eye will see He Who is coming...

And will have no defense upon being confronted with the many signs they refused to see.  Observe and learn while time, what is left, remains.


Blessings


Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on June 30, 2011, 12:13:35 AM
Well, since I last posted in January....obviously much has happened regarding these Truths.  The world has seen several tsunami warnings, including Japan's nation changing quake/tsunami, various volcano eruptions, innumerable earthquakes of appreciable size and diverse location.  Record fires, floods, tornadoes.....

What does it all mean?

How could all of these things be foretold ages in advance?

Does it matter that our Father reveals that Christ would return at a time when a great "beast", or military conglomerate would take dominion over the skies, even going into space?  The rest of the world wondering, 'who is able to wage war with it'?

It matters to those taking note of the signs of the season of Christ's return, and acting positively with such knowledge.

Those days will be just as in the days of Noah....they will be eating and drinking and carrying on right up until sudden destruction is upon them.


You, dear reader, needn't be among them.


Blessings all, in Christ Yeshua.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 01, 2011, 12:52:56 AM
what will your imaginary godfairy friend be wearing when she returns? prada? will it be a formal wear party or a fancy dress party? and do you know what day it (this return of your imaginary godfairy) is? i'd hate to be wearing jeans if it's a fancy dress party... ::)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 01, 2011, 03:02:11 AM
The blind who are resigned to their collective condition, are afraid of the Light, even in small flashes.

Yet every eye will see He Who is coming...

And will have no defense upon being confronted with the many signs they refused to see.  Observe and learn while time, what is left, remains.


Blessings

isn't superstition wonderful! it is the most powerful man made control mechanism ever design by man, period. it is becoming a major disease and it will lead to the destruction of mankind. but of course, these people want it to happen, some even try to make it happen to back up their nonsense.

let the truth be told, your god/gods and spirits/demons don't scare me in the least, actually none at all.

I just felt all warm and fuzzy inside just after I said that.

we must deal with it, religious nuts will always be creeps in the mainstream of everybody.

how long will it take? 10,000 years of your god's absence, 100,000 years maybe more, how long will such a person hold on to all the failings of a returned god of any sort.

it is a mental illness that leaves a mind prone to suggestions, religion is a form of hypnosis and remains the same and will never change, those who are strong against hypnosis are more likely to be Atheist.

do you wish to be a chicken in your next life, maybe sooner? I can hear you clucking already!

the dinner table is ready and the plates are set, everyone come eat! were having fried chicken tonight! with all the side dishes of course.

Would any of you 'right' minded people actually hand Techstuf a Hydrogen Bomb, freely? hmmm?


lose the mask please.
Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 01, 2011, 03:10:43 AM
Well, since I last posted in January....obviously much has happened regarding these Truths.  The world has seen several tsunami warnings, including Japan's nation changing quake/tsunami, various volcano eruptions, innumerable earthquakes of appreciable size and diverse location.  Record fires, floods, tornadoes.....

What does it all mean?

How could all of these things be foretold ages in advance?

Does it matter that our Father reveals that Christ would return at a time when a great "beast", or military conglomerate would take dominion over the skies, even going into space?  The rest of the world wondering, 'who is able to wage war with it'?

It matters to those taking note of the signs of the season of Christ's return, and acting positively with such knowledge.

Those days will be just as in the days of Noah....they will be eating and drinking and carrying on right up until sudden destruction is upon them.


You, dear reader, needn't be among them.


Blessings all, in Christ Yeshua.

words of wisdom, same shit just a different day!

natural disasters have been happening since this world was produced 4.5 billion years ago. nothing new under the son chap!

it's all a natural cycle.
Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 01, 2011, 03:16:40 AM
your Christ is dead and planted, he will not even roll over in his grave at this point, he was just a man of genius nothing more of the time. he is and will always be, dead! except in 'your' head. the church is very good at deceiving you through quire and song and speaking of tongues, if they can get you to do these things then you are already under their god-spell(Gospel). you are hypnotized into believing every word. you are a victim of the god-spell.

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 01, 2011, 04:04:50 AM
Stop being a victim of religion, I prays you.

Jerry 8)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: MAllen7424 on July 01, 2011, 12:42:53 PM
Religion, Philosophy, Political Science and how you are lawfully enslaved by your sovereign with debt.
 

A Nation voluntarilly forms a civil [constitutional] society to keep them, 'the free people' secure from their enemies and friendly with neighboring nations and the people in the State of Nature [Nation] feel the need to be represented by a leader that is trustworthy to give the Nation true guidence in their lives politically and in trade (commerce) amongst foreign nations and foreign chiefs that represent their Nation's people. In a civil society a sovereign is elected to govern and regulate with positive laws and learn citizens in Roman Law. The enclaves of jurisdiction accepting the services of Federal and State agencies manipulating the citizens education by the philosophy of pragmatism controlling the education of registerd civil members [citizens] of the State for a biased agenda. Our history tells us of usery and power of control over a people benefitting only the sovereign in which has the authorative power over the members of the State or other Foreign sovereigns in which the State falls subject to; for example, the "United Nations.

 Tradition and custom throughout a few generations the citizens start to dismiss and forget of their Natural State in which they were born before becoming a member of a State. Federally funded schools under the jurisdiction of federal control coerce the free children that it is their duty to vote for a representative and subject yourself to the state at the age of contractual consent. These representatives govern their persons' for the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness under the control of an un-natural sovereign of this civil society. This elected "moral person" has, with your vote power which you once had when you were in the "State of Nature". In the State of Nature you as a free man/women have the power to execute, legislate and judge your enemies. But by the contract that you are in (constitutions, treaties and conveyances) you vote in at the polls for someone to represent you and control your Natural born Rights given upon you by Nature's God to protect yourself. In a contracted Civil Society as a member of that society you give away those rights to a sovereign (supposed "Moral Person") to execute and legislate and judge your neighboring nations and possible perspective foreign enemies.

  As the free generations slip in the past, did we enslave ourselves in debt to a constituted government to poll ourselves for an elected sovereign to regulate our liberty and independence and gamble our wealth in the market? Did you ask for this way of life that is not of naturity? Did you know that their is a legal contract binding you to labour your life for the love of a manipulated value of fiat money controlled by a central bank under Keynesian policy (demand aggregate)? If you were aware of this binding contract would you still vote in the "moral person" that the unknowing citizens elected in by contract?...Of course not, why would you vote for this sovereign to regulate you and your way of life?...or did you?


Let me put this in perspective for you. To enslave people, the pragmatist knew by controlling our education they can mold every citizen to only know the ideas that they preach. For example lets look at the definition of the word "polled". We were taught by tradition and custom to go register in the public record to vote and go to the polls to elect a person to represent you in a constituted government. Under this contract it is your duty and responsibility to the civil society to vote for your representatives. But what if you didn't register to vote? are you betraying your fellow citizens by not polling? Lets look at the defintion out of the 1828 version of Webster's American Dictionary:

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POLL , n. [D. bol, a ball, bowl, crown, poll, pate, bulb.]

1. The head of a person, or the back part of the head, and in composition, applied to the head of a beast, as in poll-evil.

2. A register of heads, that is, of persons, -Shak.

3. The entry of the names of electors who vote for civil officers. Hence,

4. An election of civil officers, or the place of, election.

Our citizens say, at the opening or close of the poll, that is, at the beginning of the register of voters and reception of votes, or the close of the same. They say also, we are going to the poll ; many voters appeared at the poll. -New York.

5. A fish called a chub or chcvin. [See Pollard.]

POLL, v.t. To lop the tops of trees. -Bacon.

2. To clip; to cut off the ends; to cut off hair or wool ; to shear. The phrases, to poll the hair, and to poll the head, have been used. The latter is used in 2 Sam. xiv. 26. To poll a deed, is a phrase still used in law language. -Z. Swift.,

3. To mow ; to crop. [Not used.] -Shak.

4. To peel ; to strip ; to plunder. Obs. -Bacon. Spenser.

5. To take a list or register of persons; to enter names in a list.

6. To enter one's name in a list or register. -Dryden

7. To insert into a number as a voter. -Tickel.

POLLER , n. [from poll.] One that shaves persons ; a barber. [Not used].



2. One that lops or polls trees.

3. A pillager ; a plunderer; one that fleeces by exaction. [Not used.] -Bacon



Notice that when one goes to the polls, they are stripped or plundered of some 'thing'. What is that thing you are stripped or plundered of? lets look in a book that inspired the Declaration of Independence called,

THE LAW OF NATIONS OR PRINCIPLES OF THE LAW OF NATURE APPLIED TO THE CONDUCT AND AFFAIRS OF NATIONS AND SOVEREIGNS FROM THE FRENCH OF MONSIEUR DE VATTEL ;

§ 4. In what light nations or states are to be considered.

Nations being composed of men naturally free and independent, and who, before the establishment of civil societies, lived together in the state of nature, — Nations , or sovereign states, are to be considered as so many free persons living together in the state of nature.

It is a settled point with writers on the natural   law, that all men inherit from nature a perfect liberty and independence , of which they cannot be deprived without their own consent. In a State, the individual citizens do not enjoy them fully and absolutely, because they have made a partial surrender of them to the sovereign. But the body of the nation, the State, remains absolutely free and independent with respect to all other men, and all other Nations, as long as it has not voluntarily submitted to them.

§ 5. To what laws nations are subject.

As men are subject to the laws of nature, — and as their union in civil society cannot have exempted them from the obligation to observe those laws, since by that union they do not cease to be men, — the entire nation, whose common will is but the result of the united wills of the citizens, remains subject to the laws of nature , and is bound to respect them in all her proceedings. And since right arises from obligation, as we have just observed (§3), the nation possesses also the same rights which nature has conferred upon men in order to enable them to perform their duties

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Source: http://www.constitution.org/vattel/vattel_pre.htm

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Some voters may believe they are sovereign and plundered of nothing because they believe that God [Nature's God] is their Absolute Sovereign and they are protected by HIM and His Natural Laws. But in fact when you vote at the polls you are stripped from some natural protections of Nature and subject yourself to a Sovereign that is unnatural to Nature's Laws governed by the Laws of Nations. Lets look at a definition of a person that doesn't vote:

 


UNPOLLED, a. Not registered as a voter. 2. Unplundered; not stripped. Fanshaw.

 

You might say well its is only voting. What consequences does voting have to do with my subjection to Nature and an elected sovereign? Lets go to Webster's Dictionary again 1828:

 

VO'TARESS, n. A female devoted to any service, worship or state of life.

No rosary this votaress needs. -Cleaveland.

VO'TARIST, n. [See Votary.] One devoted or given up to any person or thing, to any service, worship or pursuit.

I am no idle votarist. -Shak. [ Votary is now used.]

VO'TARY, a, [from L. votus, froom voveo. See Vow.]

Devoted ; promised ; consecrated by a vow or promise ; consequent on a vow.

Votary resolution is made equipollent to custom. -Bacon.

VO'TARY, ji. One devoted, consecrated or engaged by a vow or promise ; hence more generally, one devoted, given or addicted to some particular service, worship, study or state of life. Every goddess of antiquity had her votaries. Every pursuit or study has now its votaries. One is a votary to mathematics, another is a votary to music, and alas, a great portion of the world are votaries of sensual pleasures.

It was the coldness of the votary, not the prayer, which was in fault. -Fell.

VOTE, n. [It. Sp. voto ; L. votum, from voveo, to vow. Votum is properly wish or will.]

1. Suffrage ; the expression of a wish, desire, will, preference or choice, in regard to any measure proposed, in which the person voting has an interest... in common with others, either in electing a man to office, or in passing laws, rules, regulations and the like. This vote or expression of will may be given by holding up the hand, by rising and standing up, by the voice, (viva voce,) by ballot, by a ticket or otherwise.

All these modes and others are used. -Hence

2. That by which will or preference is expressed in elections, or in deciding propositions; a ballot; a ticket, &c. ; as a written vote.

3. Expression of will by a majority ; legal decision by some expression of the minds of a number ; as, the vote was unanimous.

4. United voice in public prayer.

VOTE, r.t. To choose by suffrage ; to elect by some expression of will ; as, the citizens voted their candidate into office with little opposition.

2. To enact or establish by vote or some expression of will. The legislature voted the resolution unanimously.

3. To grant by vote or expression of will.

Parliament voted them a hundred thousand pounds. -Swift.

VO'TED, pp. Expressed by vote or sulfrage;. determined.

VO'TER, n. One who has a legal right to vote or give his suffrage.

VO'TING, ppr. Expressing the mind, will or preference in election, or in determining questions proposed ; giving a vote or suffrage ; electing, deciding, giving or enacting by vote.

VO'TIVE, a. [Ft. volif; L. votivus, from votus, vowed.]

Given by vow ; devoted ; as votive offerings.-

Votive medals, are those on which vows of the people for emperors or empresses are expressed.

Venus, take my votive glass. -Prior.



Did you happen to notice that the word vote actually means: to vow ? lets look at some definitions:



VOW, n. [Fr. vocu ; It. voto ; L. votum, from voveo, to vow ; probably a contracted word.]

1. A solemn promise made to God, or by a pagan to his deity. The Roman generals when they went to war, sometimes made a vow that they would build a temple to some favorite deity, if he would give them victory. A vow is a promise of something to be given or done hereafter. A person is constituted a religious by taking three vows, of chastity, of poverty and of obedience. Among the Israelites, the vows of children were not binding, unless ratified by the express or tacit consent of their father. Num. xxx.

2. A solemn promise ; as the vows of unchangeable love and fidelity. In a moral and religious sense, vows are promises to God, as they appeal to God to witness their sincerity, and the violation of them is a most hainous offense.

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VOWED,pp. Solemnly promised to God: given or consecrated by solemn promise to perform.Eccles. v.

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VOW, v.t. [Fr. vouer ; L. voveo.] To give, consecrate or dedicate to God by a solemn promise. When Jacob went to Mesopotamia, he vowed to God a tenth of his substance, and his own future devotion to his service. Gen. xxviii.

In case you aren't paying attention.

The big picture here is that you as a man/ woman born of Nature solemnly swear to serve (worship) your constituted government more than serviant to Nature's God and Laws [Law of Nations] leaving you stripped and subject of your Natural Rights and plundered by a constituted government that throughout history has proven to be greedy and powerful to once again enslave the free Natural man into their jurisdiction of control leaving you as an atheist to Christianity and enemy to the human race by contracturally vowing to be serviant to a man that is an elected soveriegn and turning away your true protection of law from the Absolute Sovereign (Nature's God). And you wonder why, with war the government or the Vatican is out to kill you, through genocide or poisoning, they probably want everyone who is Christian dead. Through the laws of Nations and the contracts you are under, They have the sovereign right digested in the" Laws of Nations" and the contracts you are under, because you aren't servient to the Absolute Soveriegn, you are subject by contract to a man or sovereign acting as a god. Voting for them at the polls is a contract that gives them permission to write the laws that will put you into that demise as a civillian(a citizen born in subjection to a liege lord).



PLUNDER. v. The most common meaning of the term "to plunder" is to take property from persons or places by open force and this may be in course of a lawful war, or by unlawful hostility, as in the case of pirates or banditti. But in another and very common meaning, though in some degree figurative, it is used to express the idea of taking property from a person or place, without just right, but not expressing the nature or quality of the wrong done. 16 Pick. 9. – Black's Law Dictionary First Edition, pg. 904-905.

PLUNDER . n. Personal property belonging to an enemy, captured and appropriated on land; booty. Also the act of seizing such property. See BOOTY; PRIZE – Black's Law Dictionary First Edition, pg. 905.

SERVITUDE . The condition[constitutional state] of being bound [by contract, oath or pledge or

frankpledge] to service; the state of a person who is subjected [by whom  the United States

constitution creates according to the 14th Amendment Citizen (villien) ], voluntarilly or

otherwise, to another person [person being; the constitutionally created person who is entitled the right

to be a chief or king of the titled nation] as his servant [in the realm of the nation it

establishes].

2. A charge [national debt] upon one estate for the benefit of another. A species of incorporeal

right [not of material nature] derived from the civil law, resembling and answering to the easement

of the common law. 3 Kent, Comm. 434. [jus in personum]

The term "servitude," in its original and popular sense, signifies the duty of service, or rather

the condition of one is liable to the performance of services. The word, however, in its legal

sense, is applied figuratively to things. When the freedom of ownership in land is fettered or

restricted, by reason of some person, other than the owner thereof, having some right, therein, the

land is said to "serve" such person. The restricted condition of the ownership or the right which

forms the subject-matter of the restriction is termed a "servitude," and the land so burdened with

another's right is termed a "servient tenement," while the land belonging to the person enjoying

the right is called the "dominant tenement." The word "servitude" may be said to have both a

positive and a negative signification; in the former sense denoting the restrictive right belonging

to the entitled party; in the latter, the restrictive duty entailed upon the proprietor or

possessor of the servient land. Brown.

All servitudes which affect lands may be divided into two kinds, ---personal and real. Personal

servitudes are those attached to the person for whose benefit they are established, and terminatte

with his life. This kind of servitude is of three sorts, ---usufruct, use, and habitation. Real

servitudes, which are also called "predial" or "landed" servitudes, are those which the owner of an

estate enjoys on a neighboring estate for the benefit of his own estate. They are called "predial"

or "landed" servitudes because, being established for the benefit of an estate, they are rather due

to the estate than to the owner personally. Civil Code La. art. 646.

Real servitudes are divided, in the civil law, unto rural and urban servitudes. Rural servitudes

are suuch as are established for the benefit of a landed estate; such, for example, as a right of

way over the servient tenement, or of access to a spring, a coal mine, a sand-pit, or a wood that

is upon it. Urban servitudes are such as are established for the benefit of one building over

another. (But the buildings need not be in the city, as the name would apparently imply.) They are

such as the right of support, or of view, or of drip or sewer, or the like. See Mackeld. Rom. Law,

SS 316, et seq.

SERVITUS . Lat. In the civil law. Slavery; bondage; the state of service. Defined as "an instutution

of the conventional law of nations, by which one person is subjected to the dominion of another,

contrary to natural right." Inst. 1,3, 2. [jus quAEsitum]

see:
jus
jus postliminii
jus precarium
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Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on July 01, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
i bet that's why jesus said swear no oaths... ;)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 01, 2011, 07:39:39 PM

http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=18430

Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
"Backwoods Home" requires someone to log into their site to read this thread cited above.  But, I'm on a borrowed computer, so that might be the problem.

Regarding Reply #239, this thread:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6416.0
(I only push back on religion against anyone---especially Evangelical San Franciscians---if they do it to me first.)
Already stated by me elsewhere on this board:
"Give to others what they give to you."
                 --Cherokee saying,
                    imparted to me by a Cherokee shaman
--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on July 03, 2011, 04:45:04 AM
Yes, Big 'M', they went to a member only format after I posted the "late harvest Moon" story.....apparently, this story's got legs because of the fact that a goodly number of individuals are able to compare evidence to prophecy and come up with the fact that some things are provable beyond a reasonable doubt!


Blessings to all in Yeshua, Jesus Christ


Google: "Huge media blackout" and the first link that comes up will be a duplicate story to the one I posted here, If one is able and willing to investigate the plethora of evidence which bears out the Biblical record, He or She will have very good reason to Stand Up and Lift Up their heads in expecation of the return of God's Only Begotten Son, Yeshua, Jesus Christ.


Yah Bless
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on July 05, 2011, 08:02:15 PM
...let the truth be told, your god/gods and spirits/demons don't scare me in the least, actually none at all. ...
We do agree.  They don't scare me at all, either.
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...we must deal with it, religious nuts will always be creeps in the mainstream of everybody. ... how long will it take? 10,000 years of your god's absence, 100,000 years maybe more, how long will such a person hold on to all the failings of a returned god of any sort. ...
No God "returned" to me, past present or future.  I'm a Jew.  The Messiah isn't here yet; not to me.
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... it is a mental illness that leaves a mind prone to suggestions, religion is a form of hypnosis and remains the same and will never change, those who are strong against hypnosis are more likely to be Atheist. ...
Oh?  Really, now?  I'm strongly against hypnosis, and a Jew.  All at once.  'Once size fits all' is a simplification when people can be so different.  Some more than others.  I'll leave it to the Members and public to decide whether or not I'm correct by their personal experience.  Seems fair to me.  But, then, what's really fair?
My point is:  People are often too complex for generalizations.  I try and look at as much of the person's actions from a distance before I might approach them.  If I can.  They sometimes approach me like Techstuf can with religion.  He seem incapable of change.
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...Would any of you 'right' minded people actually hand Techstuf a Hydrogen Bomb, freely? hmmm?
I think Dr. No(wak), thinks like Techstuf sometimes.  Nazism is a religion to a Nazi.  NO! I wouldn't give an 'H' bomb to Techstuff, the extremist Muslims, or Dr. No(wak)!
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...lose the mask please.
Techstuf may not know how to lose his protective cover in his beliefs.  I can change, even if I don't like it much.  Karma is real to me.
I can plainly see Techstuf is dead set in his religious convictions.  I knew a man just like him in religion.  Always trying to convert me.  I think he had(and Techstuf has) Asperger's Syndrome and religion was the focus.  Same with Techstuf?

  But, I actually accept many of your arguments against the Evangelical beliefs of Techstuf.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on July 09, 2011, 11:41:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR7IlDKzd90

There are signs in sun, moon and stars, and the heavenly bodies are shaken from their former positions in the sky, tsunami, volcanoes, earthquakes, tornadoes, floods, record lows and highs are sharply increased...

Just as the Word of Yahweh proclaims.

And the only ones allowed to leave this corrupted planet are those who follow in the footsteps of Yeshua....having proven themselves worthy of heavenly citizenship.

God's Word states that if any would try to ascend to the heavens, He will swat them from the sky. If they should descend to the bottoms of the oceans, He will find them there.....and if they dig underground they will be found out.  When they see the sign of His return, the kings, military commanders, and other self chosen ones of this world, will beat themselves in grief, trying to hide under the rocks even seeking to end their lives, but death will escape them!

Yes, the One who designed even the tiny electric flagellar motors that even the lowly bacteria use to spin the propellors by which they swim about....knows every hair on each of our heads.  And they are all numbered. 

The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20

Watch the Sun, notice it has nearly doubled in size as it touches the horizon as of late, pay attention to the record increase in heat.

And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire. 9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Revelation 16:8-9

Lots of people seeing Gigantic objects around the corona of the sun these days....which appear to move independently of the Sun's gravity...

For those of you who have been duped into believeing that God is a tyrant slave driver.....examine your own slavery to sin!  Your slavery to the whimsical and harsh commands of men, and compare them to God's reasonable and righteous commandments, and the teachings of Yeshua, Jesus Christ.

So MUCH has happened even in the short space of time since I first posted this article! 

Remove yourselves from the corrupted political process of man and come out of the world and quit touching unclean things, and see the Truth of why the Freedom offered by Yahweh comes with reasonable responsibility that Must not remain in a state of reproachful compromise!

Blessings all, in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 02, 2011, 01:06:22 AM
For those interested, the MSM news outlets are reporting that over 2,500 locations in the U.S. have tied or broken all time heat records in the U.S. just in the month of July.

No surprise here.....for Revelation 16:8 reports:

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

I, and many others have been following reports of many strange goings on with the sun...which coincide with the intense heat in the northern hemisphere, as the heavenly bodies have been shaken from their former postions.

The question is....what's next?  According to God's Word, which has been unfolding exactly according to schedule, the pouring of the 5th bowl is next to come....

Our Heavenly Father is shaking things up the world over, and You, I, all of us, will no longer be afforded a precarious perch on this wobbling fence of our own making, and will come down on one side of it, or the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TokXogAzHKU

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm



Only 3 bowls left to be poured....



Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 02, 2011, 01:16:40 AM
The question is....what's next?  According to God's Word, which has been unfolding exactly according to schedule, the pouring of the 5th bowl is next to come....
what's next? well according to the holy babble (buy-bull) the pouring out of the fifth bowl will be a darkness... so, all you have to do is wait 'till nighttime and then, once again, your self fulfilling prophecy will come to pass...   ::)


save yourself!! convert to the one and true god... the great (and saucy) flying spaghetti monster! feel the power of his balls! RAMEM!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1jJ-ttrSd8
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 02, 2011, 10:07:23 AM
Sigh............
W, I know you recently put me on Ignore................[I hate it ]
However I won't worship a deity where I'm required to "Feel the power of his Balls"

One thing I will say,While religion makes me very "itchy"

I cannot imagine living in a world without the values presented in most of the worlds religions [the big ones, the trifecta]
 Not saying all the little "quotes" that you seem to be able to recall at will for your Evil pasta beast are good .................
just saying "We need this" and your Pasta guy would have Bedlam and
who knows what if he were in charge.
We'd probably eat him.............. [after having some sort of "Carnal" event]
and then each other [Carnal Ditto]

I thank God ........................For God!!
And I'm not "alone" in this feeling...............or in this place!!
Chet
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: Low-Q on August 02, 2011, 12:28:13 PM
For those interested, the MSM news outlets are reporting that over 2,500 locations in the U.S. have tied or broken all time heat records in the U.S. just in the month of July.

No surprise here.....for Revelation 16:8 reports:

8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.

I, and many others have been following reports of many strange goings on with the sun...which coincide with the intense heat in the northern hemisphere, as the heavenly bodies have been shaken from their former postions.

The question is....what's next?  According to God's Word, which has been unfolding exactly according to schedule, the pouring of the 5th bowl is next to come....

Our Heavenly Father is shaking things up the world over, and You, I, all of us, will no longer be afforded a precarious perch on this wobbling fence of our own making, and will come down on one side of it, or the other.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TokXogAzHKU

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm



Only 3 bowls left to be poured....



Blessings in Christ Yeshua
So now we are going to read the Bible to find OU solutions?

There is approx 300 different religions in this world, and everyone have the "solution" and the "trouth". So stop talking, and begin to work. Results is only given by actions, not by talking. ;)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 02, 2011, 01:54:44 PM
save your heathen soul. read the gospel of the flying spaghetti monster. you too lowq. ;)
http://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Flying-Spaghetti-Monster/dp/0812976568?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1180375352&sr=8-1

we have holidays every friday and our heaven is way cooler... does yours have a stripper factory and a beer volcano?

i've said too much already, i'm not wearing my full pirate regalia... i can say no more. may pasta be upon your plate.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: ramset on August 02, 2011, 05:13:07 PM
Mr.Tech stuff ,I recall you commenting a few years back that you had an OU device ?,Something Magnetic?

Seemed to me you felt it was not to be "shared"?
"The world is not ready"

Magnetic or otherwise ,Am I mistaken ?

@W, I don't believe Mocking the very fabric of morality in out society will yield the result you desire?
A case of "careful what you wish for" !

Thank you
Chet
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2011, 08:30:02 PM
Just as the Word of Yahweh proclaims.
Well, okay then, as to the Word of God, in Job, God has words with the devil and then allows the devil to torture Job, an otherwise good and righteous man.  There's more:
     My Dad raised sheep and beef cattle on his retirement ranch.  When they females of these species delivered their offspring, they suffered painful agony just like a woman in labor.
     If they never read the Bible, why does God allow that?  I actually do have my own answer---and I'm not so fundamentalist as to follow the admonishment to distrust your own judgment in the Scriptures.  I don't even do that for the Torah.
     My opinion on that isn't in the Torah or Old Testament.  Some of my colonial Native American Relations and also ancient Jewish ancestors were persecuted for differing in the religiously, politially correct notions of the period.

I accept the way I am today and I'm well satisified with it.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 02, 2011, 11:47:33 PM

Interesting observations, Big M.

For those so inclined, the following contains much Wisdom regarding both the Right and Left Hands of God.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm

Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 02, 2011, 11:59:25 PM
Concerning posted Reply #258:

@TechStuf:
You are being ignored by me.  NOT!  (It's sarcasm.)  I've run into enough people like you to actually ignore them physically.  Why not you?  You remind me of WilbyInebriated.  Just a different subject.  My question is:  How do you do that "You Are Ignoring this user" trick?  That's pretty neat.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 05, 2011, 07:06:33 PM

Blessings, Big M.


In fact, Blessings, all!


We sure can use them.


Time is short, we must all choose for ourselves whom or what it is that we would serve.  Be it slavery to our own lusts and desires, servitude to corrupt social, economic, religious, or governmental institutions, etc....etc....ad nauseum.

There is only 1 commandment in the satanic bible.  "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law".  What has been proven thus far in human history?  Man has proven over and over again, that doing HIS will, leaning upon his own understanding, has ALWAYS lead to man dominating man to his own injury!  There is yet time for many to come to greater understanding.


As for me, I will serve our Creator in Christ Yeshua, as He has proven, is proving, and will always prove, to be the Ultimate and Loving Authority in the universe.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7dpGWYZMDc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lvZlHyY8sg



Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 09, 2011, 08:09:55 PM
Blessings, Big M.
In fact, Blessings, all!
We sure can use them.

Time is short, we must all choose for ourselves whom or what it is that we would serve.  Be it slavery to our own lusts and desires, servitude to corrupt social, economic, religious, or governmental institutions, etc....etc....ad nauseum.
If you want to be a slave to your personal mental will and beliefs, you have the right of free will.
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There is only 1 commandment in the satanic bible.  "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law".
Never read this book.  And you quote it?  Do you read it?
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  What has been proven thus far in human history?  Man has proven over and over again, that doing HIS will, leaning upon his own understanding, has ALWAYS lead to man dominating man to his own injury!
I remember distinctly in the Torah (Old Testament) that when God, Adonai, gave the Holy Land to the Jews, He deliberately told them to kill every man, woman and child already living there.  Otherwise, Adonai would let the Jew's enemies kill them for disobeying He, Adonai.
And this was God saying it.  I don't care what you think of my opinion, but I know what I think of it. 
Not.  Your.  Concern.
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There is yet time for many to come to greater understanding.
Whose?  Yours?  Why or why not?  The whole Bible is open to interpretation.
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As for me, I will serve our Creator in Christ Yeshua, as He has proven, is proving, and will always prove, to be the Ultimate and Loving Authority in the universe.
Adonai, not the Messiah, let Job suffer at the hands of the devil.  Not loving to me. 

TechStuf:
You're aware that if you say anything to anyone, I can do as I've done here?  Only a Moderator or Administrator can change my post.

If I have to read your potentially proselyting posts interspersed throughout this board, I can do the same to you.

"Give others what they give you."
                                    --Cherokee saying
                                     imparted to me by a Cherokee shaman
--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 10, 2011, 02:20:51 AM
Techstuff was proven wrong on on both of the past two equinoxes
The moon is exactly where it is supposed to be during this part of its' cycle.

Despite his endless rantings about the second comming of his god farie's illegitimate child...

The moon continues to defy his will, with neither wobble nor sway, but steady and on its course as it has been since before the christ myth began.... and will continue to do long after his religion is shelved with mythologies of the past...

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 10, 2011, 07:10:13 PM
Blindness is pandemic.

God bless your heart, smOky.

The foundation of your belief is crumbling beneath your feet....you would do well to see with your eyes instead of those borrowed from blind men.

Of course, many of you have already had plenty of opportunities to compare their observations of the moon's orbit to the following university data.

http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg

smOky, you are certainly free to believe that blind chance created the following with absolutely ZERO intelligence.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mszlckmc4Hw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1iCjKWzeEE

Since you demonstrate the willful ignorance that is common to those who prefer to see their world through smOke and MirrOrs....then God help you, for the challenge facing you is great, and time is short.


Blessings in Christ Yeshua

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 10, 2011, 07:30:09 PM
@Big M

You stated:

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TechStuf:
You're aware that if you say anything to anyone, I can do as I've done here?  Only a Moderator or Administrator can change my post.

If I have to read your potentially proselyting posts interspersed throughout this board, I can do the same to you.

"Give others what they give you."
 


I am certainly not interested in changing your posts.  And you certainly don't have to read my posts....and as for the wisdom of your Cherokee Shaman friend.....

It is yet another in an endless list of examples of why the Earth is seeing dramatic increases in Fires, Floods, Earthquakes, Tsunami, Volcanoes, Tornadoes...etc.

Christ said:  "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."  and "Return evil for evil to no one."

Even a child is capable of understanding what happens if one only gives what they receive.  Though apparently such simple Truth is lost on many.

You and many others do not "buy into" the "Bible mythology"......I get it.  Though it is my duty to inform others that these so called "myths" are being fulfilled to the letter and that my God is the one fulfilling His promises.  Including moving heaven and earth, pouring out His bowl upon the sun, and the things to come directly ahead.

A true "tyrant" God of "vengeance" would have quit putting up with man's inhumanity to man long ago and been done with this world.  Indeed, it almost happened with the flood!

http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm

A God of LOVE has only put up with man's disgusting propensity for evil for the sake of His Remnant people....and by trying His own in the fires so to speak, He will end up with Children who can be trusted, strong and resilient.

No longer prone to double minded treacheries.

http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm

Blessings be upon you and yours in Christ Yeshua.  May He make visitation upon you in a dream.  One that does not have to come true.....afterall....

Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 10, 2011, 09:15:17 PM
Blindness is pandemic.
"They are pure in their own eyes, and an abomination in others."
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The foundation of your belief is crumbling beneath your feet....you would do well to see with your eyes instead of those borrowed from blind men.
Animals and children (and practially everyone else) merely observe what they see.  They really don't look at something spiritual like a Native American shaman is capable of.
     And fundamentalist religions are no different.  They (most religionists) really don't feel the reality of, say, a tree's Spirit causing it to live and grow.

I've had pre-colonial shamanistic Ancestors more intelligent and perceptive than TechStuf and his religious cohorts.  I was born, and therefore created at birth with the DNA, to think like a Shaman is capable of.  So was my sister.  I then had the experiences some have to think in ways other than the average person.  I assert those are my qualifications to know wherof I personally speak.

TechStuf is using the descriptive experiences of Northwestern Canadian Native Americans to put forth what he thinks are his interpretations of the truth.
    Well, the easiest way I can put this is that years ago New Age pundits' 'prophesies' indicated that even strange animals unknown to science would be seen (i.e., the chapacupra; Mothman, Bigfoot).
     Okay, maybe he's seeing something caused by similar sircumstances that never pan out by typical scientific analysis?  The Burmuda Triangle is a good analogy.  Things happen and then usually disappear.  What TechStuf is seeing is specific to him?  I'd call it a manifestation of a leprachaun (if he's Irish) or in my case, the Native American Trickster.)  The Scandinavians themselves have Loki, a trickery artist.

As for the Moon changing position?  I've seen that which was just plain impossible.  But, it was never permanent.  Just like a Trickster would do.  He (TechStuf) may be doing the same thing and believing what he sees is permanent, when he's the only one who sees what he sees.

Okay, bottom line:
I know what I just said and I understand it as I wrote it.  Those who don't have the DNA I have or the cultural experience I have, (honestly and fairly, IMHO) may not understand.  If only one of you does, then it will have been worth it.
     I wrote it as much for All My Relations as much as for myself.  Not so much for TechStuf.   You may think what you like and respond as you wish.

I have thusly spoken as my Ancestors may have if they were still on Mother Earth.
All is well.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 10, 2011, 10:55:00 PM
some native wisdom...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on August 10, 2011, 11:10:23 PM
some native wisdom...
I can only imagine the tribal elder said the truth.   However, seeing that WilbyInebriated uploaded the article, I consider it an honor to have read it.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on August 12, 2011, 09:10:30 PM

God Himself said He would blind the haughty, elite minded, and give His Wisdom to the "primitive" and those looked down upon....

Much natural wisdom can be found among the down to earth peoples the world over.  However, as to the greater Truths contained in God's Word, much is hidden, even from those imbued with generations of natural wisdom.  It is human nature to worship the creation rather than the Creator, such was foretold long ago.  There are native americans, Indians, chinese....etc...people of every race who are thoroughly disgusted with what their leaders have done in their name.

The white man is no different.  What is different, however, is that the white man, though richly blessed above every other people, has squandered his inheritance on a scale unlike the world has ever known.

Of course, all of this was foretold to the letter....

http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.php

Youtube: shriner lucifer

Google: d.c. jerusalem masonic shrine

Google: six pointed star mark

Google: 666 talents of gold

One can find more historical information which substantiates God's Holy Word than they may care to, by simply researching the terms above.  So, as one can see, if one chooses to take the time to Honestly research the matter, God's Word has proven EXACTLY accurate about who is in power at this late hour....and the outcome of this whole ball of wax.


God said that soon before He sends Christ Yeshua, and the Holy Angels.....

Luke 21:25-28

   25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”


And it is exactly so.

Google: Huge Media Blackout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5U1FTP-D1E&list=FLNu8_ox5fXZ8&index=3


He stated not only who would be in power at this time, but what their 'mark' would be.....who they would worship....their technical and war capability.....and....what will become of them. 

Let's see, what 'mark' could physically represent Solomon's 666?  Solomon's seal perhaps?  the HEXagram?

The 'beast' of Revelation is military/governmental in nature....it's mark is everywhere.  One cannot watch Cspan (not that one would want to) without seeing the six pointed star between every member of congress seated on the wooden benches.  The six pointed star is above the symbol of the U.S. on every dollar bill.  (We rule OVER america)

http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-32111.html

http://i55.tinypic.com/25qw239.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7DnIB7_ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQRMrlQ95U

So, not only do the walmart employees have the mark of the beast on their foreheads (of their hats),  they are testing the setup of mobile guard towers at walmart parking lots all over.  It doesn't take a social engineering expert to ascertain that not if, but WHEN, things in this country begin to approximate what is happening in many countries around the world, whose economies have been sucked dry as a bone...store shelves of the mom and pop stores will empty fast, and lacking the cwhoreporate infrastructure of walmart's leviathan distribution chain, they will collapse.  Walmart has already made it's deal with the devil, and will be the only game in town.....

for those who play ball.

With their souls.

Google: lucifer companies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-computers-will-soon-get-under-our-skin-2336246.html


So, those of you who disbelieve God's Word, which has, as any rational person can easily ascertain for themselves, has proven perfectly accurate, will face some important decisions.

God is shaking this world....and those undecided will come down off the fence on one side or the other.  So, for those of you who like to mock God, remember that many now see the Truth.  Not bad for a book of "myth" written thousands of years ago, by many different writers, over the course of thousands of years, all in perfect agreement!  God bless you.

Blessings all, dear readers, in Christ Yeshua!  Study and remember what is shared above....for the 4th bowl, the pouring out upon the sun and plague of heat has come and the 5th bowl, the darkening of the kingdom of the beast is approaching.


For those interested, open your bibles to Revelation 16:8 and read what happens during the next 3 bowls.


Blessings
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 13, 2011, 12:49:07 AM
God Himself said He would blind the haughty, elite minded, and give His Wisdom to the "primitive" and those looked down upon....

Much natural wisdom can be found among the down to earth peoples the world over.  However, as to the greater Truths contained in God's Word, much is hidden, even from those imbued with generations of natural wisdom.  It is human nature to worship the creation rather than the Creator, such was foretold long ago.  There are native americans, Indians, chinese....etc...people of every race who are thoroughly disgusted with what their leaders have done in their name.

The white man is no different.  What is different, however, is that the white man, though richly blessed above every other people, has squandered his inheritance on a scale unlike the world has ever known.

Of course, all of this was foretold to the letter....

http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.php

Youtube: shriner lucifer

Google: d.c. jerusalem masonic shrine

Google: six pointed star mark

Google: 666 talents of gold

One can find more historical information which substantiates God's Holy Word than they may care to, by simply researching the terms above.  So, as one can see, if one chooses to take the time to Honestly research the matter, God's Word has proven EXACTLY accurate about who is in power at this late hour....and the outcome of this whole ball of wax.


God said that soon before He sends Christ Yeshua, and the Holy Angels.....

Luke 21:25-28

   25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”


And it is exactly so.

Google: Huge Media Blackout

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5U1FTP-D1E&list=FLNu8_ox5fXZ8&index=3


He stated not only who would be in power at this time, but what their 'mark' would be.....who they would worship....their technical and war capability.....and....what will become of them. 

Let's see, what 'mark' could physically represent Solomon's 666?  Solomon's seal perhaps?  the HEXagram?

The 'beast' of Revelation is military/governmental in nature....it's mark is everywhere.  One cannot watch Cspan (not that one would want to) without seeing the six pointed star between every member of congress seated on the wooden benches.  The six pointed star is above the symbol of the U.S. on every dollar bill.  (We rule OVER america)

http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-32111.html

http://i55.tinypic.com/25qw239.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7DnIB7_ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQRMrlQ95U

So, not only do the walmart employees have the mark of the beast on their foreheads (of their hats),  they are testing the setup of mobile guard towers at walmart parking lots all over.  It doesn't take a social engineering expert to ascertain that not if, but WHEN, things in this country begin to approximate what is happening in many countries around the world, whose economies have been sucked dry as a bone...store shelves of the mom and pop stores will empty fast, and lacking the cporate infrastructure of walmart's leviathan distribution chain, they will collapse.  Walmart has already made it's deal with the devil, and will be the only game in town.....

for those who play ball.

With their souls.

Google: lucifer companies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-computers-will-soon-get-under-our-skin-2336246.html


So, those of you who disbelieve God's Word, which has, as any rational person can easily ascertain for themselves, has proven perfectly accurate, will face some important decisions.

God is shaking this world....and those undecided will come down off the fence on one side or the other.  So, for those of you who like to mock God, remember that many now see the Truth.  Not bad for a book of "myth" written thousands of years ago, by many different writers, over the course of thousands of years, all in perfect agreement!  God bless you.

Blessings all, dear readers, in Christ Yeshua!  Study and remember what is shared above....for the 4th bowl, the pouring out upon the sun and plague of heat has come and the 5th bowl, the darkening of the kingdom of the beast is approaching.


For those interested, open your bibles to Revelation 16:8 and read what happens during the next 3 bowls.


Blessings
do you have any scientific evidence for any of the above? or is it just rephrased beliefs?

theodicy is humorous, religions are joke. unfortunately most of them are sad jokes.
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: sm0ky2 on August 13, 2011, 08:33:16 PM
@ Tech

i wont pretend to understand your reasons for belief in a mythical creature.. But you base your dismissal of the real world, with absurd assumptions, and that i do understand.

First, you assume that without the presence of an intelligent god-creature designing all the complexities around you,
that everything would be subject to random chaos, with no order.
That is a compete fallacy.

nothing can be random. everything has a discrete reaction with everything it interacts with.

Second, you assume that without a "creator" that the universe could not even exist.
Another complete fallacy,...  From what do you conclude that a mysterious "nothingness" had to have existed, prior to everything comming into existence?
What evidence do you present, that the universe could not have always existed?

Since apparently, theres only one book of which its contents you actually pay attention to....

perhaps you should take a few moments to read it.
just open it up, and read it and when you get to the end,
i want you to go back through it, and find the parts in the book where the stories intersect.

for instance, when certain individuals are commanded by god to perform an act.
then later another storyteller, depicts the devil commanding the person to commit said act.

or the differing stories of jesus' burial
or the death of judas

once you identify all of these things, then you should go back in history, and read the books they these stories originated from, before cannonization.
If the books were important enough for the leaders of your church to have decided to include them in the new version of the Holy Babble...
Then certainly these books should be worth your time to read for yourself, and see why they chose to include them.

and after that perhaps you could go and read the other works of mythological proportion that are directly referenced in the "good book"
for instance the ancient isreallite book of Jashar. - which is referenced twice by name.

there is a lot that you should understand about that book you swear your life to. If you really want to cast judgement upon me, and claim that i am ignorant of the universe that i live in..
then i shall point you in the direction of your own book.
a mirror through which to see the truth.
We can take a walk through scriptures.

And when we are done,
you will understand why moon will is right on time.





Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on August 13, 2011, 10:09:46 PM
@ Tech

i wont pretend to understand your reasons for belief in a mythical creature.. But you base your dismissal of the real world, with absurd assumptions, and that i do understand.

First, you assume that without the presence of an intelligent god-creature designing all the complexities around you,
that everything would be subject to random chaos, with no order.
That is a compete fallacy.

nothing can be random. everything has a discrete reaction with everything it interacts with.

Second, you assume that without a "creator" that the universe could not even exist.
Another complete fallacy,...  From what do you conclude that a mysterious "nothingness" had to have existed, prior to everything comming into existence?
What evidence do you present, that the universe could not have always existed?

Since apparently, theres only one book of which its contents you actually pay attention to....

perhaps you should take a few moments to read it.
just open it up, and read it and when you get to the end,
i want you to go back through it, and find the parts in the book where the stories intersect.

for instance, when certain individuals are commanded by god to perform an act.
then later another storyteller, depicts the devil commanding the person to commit said act.

or the differing stories of jesus' burial
or the death of judas

once you identify all of these things, then you should go back in history, and read the books they these stories originated from, before cannonization.
If the books were important enough for the leaders of your church to have decided to include them in the new version of the Holy Babble...
Then certainly these books should be worth your time to read for yourself, and see why they chose to include them.

and after that perhaps you could go and read the other works of mythological proportion that are directly referenced in the "good book"
for instance the ancient isreallite book of Jashar. - which is referenced twice by name.

there is a lot that you should understand about that book you swear your life to. If you really want to cast judgement upon me, and claim that i am ignorant of the universe that i live in..
then i shall point you in the direction of your own book.
a mirror through which to see the truth.
We can take a walk through scriptures.

And when we are done,
you will understand why moon will is right on time.
well said sm0key.
people like tech and ramset think i am mocking them when i speak of the flying spaghetti monster and the prophet,pasta be upon his plate, and i can honestly see how when something hits a little too close to home it could be construed as mocking, but it is really more akin to holding up a mirror...

that being said, science is a process describing the systematic study of structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experimentation. it is fallible, which is why theories are repeatedly vetted. that which stands the test of time and endless scrutiny is eventually taught for the next generation to test, improve or disprove. this is nature of science, it is not perfect but it is self correcting...

religion is not a process, scripture is not based on systematic study, words on paper do not qualify as observable, none of the fantastical events are testable or even logical. the only explanation it offers is an assertion: god did it. the claim of divine origin implies infallibility, any attempt to question it is met with ostracisation, hostility or violence. this is the nature of religion, it claims to be perfect therefore there is no need for self correction. there are some exceptions of course; it only took the catholic church 350 years to apologize (self correct) to galileo...
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: TechStuf on September 19, 2012, 11:07:12 PM
Many are still asking questions as to why massive, increasing earth changes are taking place. Recent case in point:


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/19/antarctic-sea-ice-sets-another-record/)


The sobering reasons for this and many other increasing earth changes, are hidden from most, as they refuse to use their God given abilities of observation to realize them. There exists a Huge Media Blackout regarding earth and moon orbital changes. See:


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_earthchanges31.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_earthchanges31.htm)


The evidence is everywhere. Many have been witnessing the sun rising and setting ridiculously further than normal in summer for the last several years. Large quakes have been popping off like clockwork whenever the moon hits it’s new northern limit once a month. God’s Word pronounced these changes to the letter at Luke 21:25-28 and describes the signs in sun, moon and stars, as well as the shaking of the heavenly bodies, and the increasing agitation of the oceans, (Tsunami) at this time. Read Revelation 16:8 which also describes the pouring of the 4th bowl upon the sun, making it hot on earth, in conjunction with the world record shattering heat that the northern hemisphere has endured as of late.


Who will argue with the mountain of evidence that the sun’s radiation has markedly increased? Of course antarctic sea ice has grown! The sun’s been much further north in summer than was traditional for millenia. A couple years ago, Bolivia endured record shattering cold which killed off millions of fish and other tropical animals which were not equipped to handle temperatures colder than the south pole for much of July!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec27XJ1CgHA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec27XJ1CgHA)


You see, God is angry with our country, and the world at large….as we have defaulted to put in power above us, those who are His enemies! The proof that God’s Word is unfolding exactly as foretold, is everywhere.


Net search – Shriner LuciferNet


search – D.C. Jerusalem masonic shrineNet


search – six pointed star mark beast


search – 666 talents of gold


http://www.sherryshriner.com/sherry/talmud-nwo.htm (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sherryshriner.com%2Fsherry%2Ftalmud-nwo.htm&h=jAQF6qNU-&s=1)


Who is in power of the world at this time? The bible describes them and their mark to the letter! No other Book on the planet at any time comes close to the accuracy and Wisdom contained in God’s True Word.Look and see that secret societies have founded their doctrines on the fallen solomon, who fell away from Yahweh, the One True Creator, and took the “Star of chemosh” as his personal seal, hence the “Seal of solomon” or the HEXagram. A geometric representation of 666. That is why the HEXagram is above the eagle on our dollar bill. It symbolizes, that they rule OVER America. Many soldiers have been asking why it is that on EVERY officer sword in the U.S. military, a HEXagram is now etched on every hilt. Why has MalWart changed it’s logo to a six pointed symbol? Note on Youtube that various videos of mobile guard towers are going up in MalWart parking lots at several locations in the south east.The HEXagram IS the mark of the beast, as forewarned in God’s Word. Those who take this mark, or worship the beast will be allowed to buy or sell in the days ahead…..but will pay the ultimate price.What is happening to heaven and earth itself at this time? Again, God’s Word is True. See the link below, as there is much evidence that Luke 21:25-28 is in fulfillment at this time, as is Revelation 16:8, and Isaiah 24:20 to be fulfilled soon enough!


http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_earthchanges31.htm (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bibliotecapleyades.net%2Fciencia%2Fciencia_earthchanges31.htm&h=-AQEGKlT3&s=1)


Whose side are you on, dear reader? Your own? Lucifer’s by intentional action or paralytic inaction?If you be of Christ Yeshua, then do as He commands and instead of sitting in silence with one’s head hanging low……”STAND UP and LIFT UP your heads, for your REDEMPTION draws near!”The hour is truly late, and one had best turn or return to God in Christ Yeshua while there is yet time. And may He find you working what is good toward all upon His return!




Blessings in Christ


P.S.  As many of you can see since I first posted information regarding these things, they have increased dramatically!  If I were not telling you the truth, this would not have been so.  God's Word is unfolding to the letter, and when we all stand before our maker, (and we will, all of us, and soon) there will be excuse for denying Him, His Word, and His Will. 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on September 20, 2012, 01:47:58 AM
TechStuf said:
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P.S.  As many of you can see since I first posted information regarding these things, they have increased dramatically!  If I were not telling you the truth, this would not have been so.  God's Word is unfolding to the letter, and when we all stand before our maker, (and we will, all of us, and soon) there will be excuse for denying Him, His Word, and His Will.
Are you aware of this:  Isaiah 45:7 ?
Thusly:
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah) 45%3A7&version=KJV

I have two Bibles at home and I've noted the in the Old Testament of Isaiah, at least 6 times it says, in effect, "I'm God, there is nothing else, I alone save."
Jesus isn't my Saviour and I don't care if you believe He is or not.   I think my way and you think yours.

There is no Jesus at that time, so I accept Isaiah's word on the matter.   If Job, a good man who didn't deserve to be a pawn between the Almighty (Adonai), suffered simply to make a point to the devil who wasn't punished by the Almighty, AFAIK, for being an asshole that he still is, and the Almighty actually spoke to---I wouldn't, myself---then you yourself can put up with being a pawn yourself between the devil and the Almighty!

Do you think you're as good as Job?   Do you think you can be treated better than he was, simply because you believe the words written down by a zealous man who could lie if he saw fit?!?!   I can lie, and you can, too.   Just because a religious man say anything, doesn't mean I trust his or anyone else's word.   I'm beginning to think you're doing what WilbyInebriated is doing:  Baiting people to piss them off.   I know why he does it, and he doesn't piss me off any more.   He can't hide from what is coming shortly, and I'm not afraid.   I don't care if you're afraid or not.   I have information not available to the public and you're not good enough to tell what I think the truth is, even if I could tell you.
"If you tell the absolute truth to an evil man, he will proceed to perform indiscreet acts for which you are partly responsible."
                                                                                                                                                           --a tenant (belief) of Theosophy



Please continue to harangue people around here so they (hopefully!) move further away from you in their good opinion of you.   You're already outside the universe and receding faster than lightspeed in terms of my finding your words worthy of entertainment.

--Lee
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: WilbyInebriated on September 20, 2012, 02:18:45 AM
I know why he does it,
no you don't... ::) don't be so asinine and megalomaniacal as to presume you know my inner motivations... ::)
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: MAllen7424 on September 20, 2012, 06:09:52 PM
If you believe in God or not, Athiests and the Believers in The Divine -All-Mighty Creator of the universe have only certain things in common. We have been seperated through an ancient tactic of divide and conquer. Knowing this, what do we have in common with each other.? The common thing is that we all abide by "Contract Laws" and "Adoption of  Laws" and obviously, who is the "Slave" and who is the "Master" and who has arbituary power over a man.
 
I could go on with a big story describing what I want to say on this subject. I tried to make it visually simple by this diagram  I have made:
http://wilhoit-az.com/mark/strawman/law/Characteristics%20of%20status-1_1600X1267.jpg (http://wilhoit-az.com/mark/strawman/law/Characteristics%20of%20status-1_1600X1267.jpg)


In the diagram you will see rows and columns:
1. Columns (6) are compartmentalized knowledge with the story of scripture embedded
2. Rows (3) are decompartmentalized comparison of that knowledge with scripture embedded
     The orange-dotted rectangle represents a contract as an “open narrow gate” to associate man to that contract.
     The middle row represents natural man under no contract naked and free.
     The pink-solid rectangle represents a contract with a “blocked gate” to keep a “subjected man (debt slave)” from escaping the contract from becoming a ‘free-agent’ and to separate himself/herself from the contract with the constitutional STATE or social civil society and its established sovereigns, cultures, religions and laws.


What contracts are you under? who is your adopted Father/father? How does He/he have arbituary power over a man? What is man's characteristics of status? Who protects you from the evil that men do?

more information on this you can follow my homepage which most of you may have already been to:
http://www.wilhoit-az.com/mark/free_energy/MAllen7424.php (http://www.wilhoit-az.com/mark/free_energy/MAllen7424.php)

 
Title: Re: Late Harvest Moon
Post by: the_big_m_in_ok on September 20, 2012, 08:24:41 PM
no you don't... ::) as to presume you know my inner motivations... ::)
I was under the impression I had already said on another thread that I had information not available to the public.   Some facts aren't safe to repeat in public, and this is an open Internet forum.    I simply think you're an S.O.B. (at best!!) and that's that.
 
Quote
...don't be so asinine and megalomaniacal...
Asinine as defined as being silly, foolish, or stupid.   Really, now, you Genius, you.   Do my written words strike anyone reading them as being "stupid?"
"Meglomanical" is delusional befiefs that one has power, wealth or possible status of some kind.
I'd say from my past corresponence with you, my experience is that the "kettle is calling the pot 'black.' "   Not everyone here at OU.com thinks you're anything like a Prince Charming.   Especially me.
 
--Lee