these things can't be hidden
Would a copy of the 1935 navigation tables for mariners and aviators bear any info to this? Found this sweet puppy in a junk store for $2. ;D Too darn bad I cant read it for what its worth.for anyone that can navigate by the stars could use it to verify that not only the sun but the stars are all in place.
thay
until tech comes up with real data on how much things are supposed to have shifted its just people panic mongering.
The facts are, and they are simple ones, the tropic of capricorn marked the northern extreme of the sun's declination for thousands of years, it doesn't today. Not by a long shot. The northern limit of the moon' declination was 28 1/2 degrees north for thousands of years. It is regularly witnessed to move much further north today.
Barkin up the wrong tree Bubba. I've provided my evidence, and you have parroted that which you believe to be true.i say i don't see any change because i don't see any. i have lived in the same house in the country for 22 years, i spend a lot of time outside.
First off, I must apologize for transposing the tropic of cancer with the tropic of capricorn. I've been using the two examples quite a bit as of late in the online forums.
Bubba, as I am obviously particularly unmoved by your 'evidence' and you continually fail to grasp mine....
Perhaps you could benefit from starting your own thread, providing evidence in support of your very popular theory that all is as it once was. I'm sure you'll get no disagreement from any of a myriad fine 'meteorologists' and 'professors' who will support you to the bitter end....
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything
http://www.divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
The moon could rise over the north pole, and the sun over the south pole and there would still be no shortage of those certain kind of individuals who would parrot all that they see and hear from co-opted traditional sources who reassure them that all is as it once was.
Such is the way of a wayward world.
Blessings in Christ Yeshua
your data is crap.
The Sun came up to the left of my neighbor's roof.. Never seen that in 14 years, not even in June. What in the world is going on?
I just opened up Stellarium and walked outside with a compass. On the program, the sun is sitting right over the EAST mark. According to my compass, the sun is to the LEFT of EAST, a little towards the NORTH. It is noticeable!
Yup. I noticed on my drive in. And if its what I think then the drive home should be equally as interesting.
I may be wrong-but the house I designed, and hand built 26 years ago, depends on passive solar gain. I layed it out with true South for max sun exposure. The sun is coming in at new angles. These facts are hard to debunk! From my window the Sun rises to the right of our Cathedral. On Thursday morning it came up to the left. Yes I do have data, in fact it goes back to 1980 when I built this home.
In Germany the same, wrong places of Sun and Moon.
In the UK this morning the Sun did rise in the wrong place. To all those who say it is not possible, sorry you are wrong.
I am an educated person. I gratuated Summa Cum Laude from a top university in the US. As crazy as it sounds, I do think the sun has been rising in the wrong place since spring began. Maybe not far enough from normal to alarm the masses, but some have noticed. I've noticed because I'm up every single day at dawn to feed my horses. For years, season after season, they wait in the first rays of sunlight to warm their backs. These early am rays move predictably across the pasture as the seasons progress so I always know where the herd will be standing. Not lately. What the hell is up?
I just got done taking a lunch break. I read this thread and decided to take a ride out to a house I have empty and for sale. I lived there for 22 years. I wanted to get there because I could get a familiar bearing to see for myself what this entire hullabaloo is about. Well I stood out on my front porch and glanced up and you know what? The Sun is further north than I recall for mid April. My take is that it is where it should be at the end of May or beginning of June. This is very odd and really makes me wonder what the hell is going on because all the scientific debunking of this assertion has its merits.
Yes I went to look. It is far North to much for this time of year, by somewhat a noticable amount to me.
For giggles and laughs I actually measured the altitude angle and compared it to the Navy's data for location and time of day. The angle at the time I measured should have been 68.3 degrees but was at 75 degrees. The Sun is aproximately 3 weeks ahead of where it should be. May 2nd is when the angle should be at 75 degrees where I am at. This is realy weird because we started daylight savings time three weeks earlier this year.
I am located in the southern part of India (meaning closer to the equator) and noting this abnormal difference in angle of the rising as well as setting Sun.
I am one of those sail boat navigators who uses the sextant to plot my position. Then I use GPS to check my calculations. I checked on the position of the Sun at this time. Per the reference texts, guess what. The Sun is out of position by a large amount. The Sun is not in its proper place.
Every morning, either summer or winter, the sun shines on the front of my house. I notice this because I face the house when I'm backing out of the driveway. The Sun isn't shining on the front of the house in the morning, just a shadow cast on it now!
I know what I see and here in Canada we have a lot to see since a couple of year. The Sun used to come right in my eastern window at that time of the year. I know it because my pets use to laydown in the floor to get some sun right after the equinox of spring and now it is not yet in the window but a litle bit more north east.
Usually I go right by this kind of thread but 6:47 pm on Apr 13, 2007 the Sun on the East Coast USA is setting N of West about where it is in June/July (and still 1 hr to go till actual sunset) but that is the track it is on.
I religously go out on my porch every sunrise as I have for the last 14 years, and never, never have I seen the Sun in this position. It is way too far North of what it should be. There should be no denial any further.
Aaaarg, I came too late to office today because my Solar Clock showed the wrong time. You are right!
For the first time in many, many days of clouds and bad weather, I too have noticed the sun too far North for April. Looking out my office window, it is above the neighbor's house that I normally see in June. My office window has the morning sun enter it daily and it is off.
I can also add that I live in the south of Europe and the Sun at midday is higher as usual for this time of year. Its like it would be end May. You cannot debunk my own observation.
The sun set in a red horizon this evening to the extreme north west. I have never seen it set that far North.
Is there a new equator, or do we now have an equatorial zone and larger poles due to wobble?
The only real answer, if one thinks it through, is because world leaders serve the enemy of our Father and Yeshua, Jesus Christ, and His Word revealed exactly what is happening.the ONLY real answer? ::) i really don't expect you to have that good of a grasp on logic or reason due to your faith in imaginary godfairy saviors, but at least try not to engage in such ridiculous hyperbole. you are engaging in logical fallacy and ignoring many other possible causes/answers due to your zealotry.
Pardon me, mr. inebriated, but perhaps you could muster the personal maturity level to mock God on your own thread? Or perhaps take your message to the streets like one of the world's 'movers and shakers' shown here:i wasn't mocking god, i was pointing out the the fact that you are positing illogical statements and engaging in gratuitous hyperbole.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs
Mr. Inebriated, if you were sober or at least honest with yourself, you'd know by now that such sophomoric outbursts don't play well here....
As there is more than enough solid proof that the world's leaders and their minions worship the devil, in one form or another.
Exactly as foretold in God's Word.
At any rate,
Yahweh bless you in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
TS
A United States Marine was taking some college courses
between assignments. He had completed 20 missions in Iraq
and Afghanistan . One of the courses had a professor who
was an avowed atheist, and a member of the ACLU.
[cid:1.568941247@web44711.mail.sp1.yahoo.com]
One day the professor shocked the class when he came in.
He looked to the ceiling and flatly stated, "GOD, if you are real, then
I want you to knock me off this platform... I'll give you exactly 15 min."
The lecture room fell silent. You could hear a pin drop. Ten minutes
went by and the professor proclaimed, "Here I am GOD, I'm still waiting."
It got down to the last couple of minutes when the Marine got
out of his chair, went up to the professor, and cold-cocked him;
knocking him off the platform. The professor was out cold.
The Marine went back to his seat and sat there, silently.
The other students were shocked and stunned, and sat there
looking on in silence. The professor eventually came to,
noticeably shaken, looked at the Marine and asked,
"What in the world is the matter with you? Why did you do that?"
The Marine calmly replied,
"GOD was too busy today protecting America 's
soldiers who are protecting your right to say stupid
stuff and act like an idiot. So He sent me.."
---------------
Wilby
if it is omnipotent as you claim and offended by my words, it can strike me down. i'll wait...
a fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.
Wilby
I think you need a Hug?
Chetty
a fool can ask more questions than a thousand wise men can answer.
A shallow maxim which Mr. Inebriated has unfailingly epitomized during his illustrious tenure in this forum.epitomized by trying to answer fools questions...
Mr. Inebriated, let us agree to disagree. Man up and find somewhere else to mock your Creator. Judging by your actions, the only possible reason you could have to hang around here is to further demand a personal reckoning with Him.i thought it was clear from the git go that i agreed to disagree with you, and i told you, i am not mocking your imaginary godfairy... i can't make it (your imaginary godfairy) seem laughably unreal or impossible, it is already that by default. furthermore, it isn't your place to judge, that is for your lord and master, not you. or do you pick and choose which verses to follow? and there you go with that 'only' fallacy again. there are myriad possible reasons i could have to hang around here, perhaps your imaginary godfairy sent me to test you a la job... perhaps i get off on it, like you get off on pimping your imaginary godfairy... i most certainly don't expect your imaginary godfairy to show up and reckon with me, imaginary things cannot do that... even if i demand it.
Now go and start another 'God bashing' thread or something. I'm sure you'll have them eating out of your hand over on the atheist or beer connoisseur forums.another? i have never started a thread like that, so how could i start another? i did start a thread for you to vet your imaginary godfairy, but so far you have forsaken him/her/it... i don't drink. it's wilby as in 'will be', which is future tense. ie: i wilby inebriated, because your lack of logic and reason will drive me to drink.
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ be upon you and your associates.may your chains rest lightly upon you, and may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage, ramen.
still wallowing about i see. try google chetty, i'm weary of holding your hand.
All omimpotent [noodly]"W".
Whats FSM?
Chetty
PS
I promise to study the intu/ deduct clicky link!
wow! you figured it out on your own, maybe there is hope yet...
Flying
Spagetti
Monster
Church
"W"
Just say NO!
Those little green cigs will twist your brain Bud.
Now I'm gonna have Nightmares!
Chetty
"W"user nittinum... yup, reminds me of that old saying, 'birds of a like feather...'
This is" tower speak"
{user Nittium tried to patent it]
Well a modification.
" Centralised tower speak"
Annoys the living piss out of sum folks!
Please don't limit my Lord by putting him in one of your
man made belief systems!
Chetty
PS
To the Vetting thread with this!
epic fail. it was actually an assumption. it doesn't annoy me at all, i was just wondering what your intent was.
Well
It was actually a
Deduction
on my part!
{very recent ,maybe the last 5 minutes or so]
But its starting to annoy "me"!
So thats two peeps Annoyed
Me and you!
Excellent!indeed!
So it just annoys me!
No Sin!
{I think}
Could you double check that ?
In your idiots guide to all things Christian!
You are definately more "up" on that than me.
Saw the movie 2012 when it came out. As expected, it was an emotional thrill ride, spilling a cornucopia of jabs at Christianity at every turn, while deifying human will. The M.O. of TPTB is in full view in this, but a single example of a long line of "psy-op" big budget extravaganzas. The foundational premise is supposedly based loosely on the "mayan" calendar "prophecy"....such as it is. While Christian prophecy, despite being proved amazingly accurate, is still relegated to "nutjob" status. Certainly no surprise nowadays. Take a look at the video documentary, "Hollywood's War on God":since you are copy/pasting, i will too.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6295590178956284762#docid=-1380969024589298776
Make no mistake people, our earth is reeling....as can be easily proven if one but takes the time to see. Our moon's apparent orbit and sun position and angle of ascent/descent at sun rise/set are the easiest of the signs to spot, as the moon now rises in the south east and orbits across the sky in the low south, slowly making it's way over a span of a couple weeks or so, to high in the sky, rising in the north east and back again to repeat the cycle every month...and the sun has risen and set way too far north during the spring and summer months.
Do not let anyone, no matter how well intentioned, if such be the case, confuse you with jargon, the moon's orbit should NOT be swaying so far. The moon's orbit, as described on many a University website is thus:
http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg
And should not be moving all over the sky as it has been doing as of late. It appears to orbit in such a manner largely because earth is rocking beneath it, as can be verified by the vertical rocking of our current pole star, over the same duration as the moon's orbital track variance. Other observations of our wobbling planet can be found at:
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything
http://www.michaelmandeville.com/earthmonitor/polarmotion/2006_wobble_anomaly.htm
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earthrv9.htm
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/
The movie: 2012, is ripe with symbolic clues and metaphors, apparently meant for their "initiated" or perhaps even for the "clever minded" among the general population who are ambitious to follow the bread crumbs to grandma's, I mean, Uncles 'Boat' House. (For example, one might hazard a guess or two as to what the meaning of the big letter 'Z' in the boxing ring, could imply....among other curious sub-plot devices)
At any rate, the overt message that men of all nations should be at peace at such a time, tugs at the emotions. However, the solution provided indicates which god serves the interests of those whose shortsighted focus is solely on physical survival....as owed to the possibility of future generations. This as though man's technology can postpone, as opposed to hasten, the inevitable, given the foundational choices which the bulk of mankind unfailingly defaults to choose for himself.
The underlying message of the movie is clear......those with "primitive" belief systems are "left behind" (as evidenced in 2012 movie posters which ask the question: "Will you be left behind?") Christians, most of all. While those who instinctively snap into physical survival mode with gusto, are rewarded with a chance at a new earth. Generally, Christians in the movie are represented as being sincere, but misguided, and just not able to make it on the "Ark". Notice the inverse prophetic and/or Biblically historical pilfering?
Those of us who KNOW Who the "Ark" truly is, that being Yeshua, Jesus Christ, should....as Luke faithfully advises at chapter 21, verses, 25-28, Lift up our heads, for His return, draws near.
"For The Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel's call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet The Lord in the air." (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 RSV)
The above sounds too good to be true to those who prefer to lean upon their own understanding. Pie in the sky, wishful, though primitive, thinking....
But was it wishful thinking that accomplished the following?
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-2.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/DTimes-6.htm
Is it simply wishful thinking alone, that brings forth prolific evidence of the accuracy of God's Word? Proofs to which many bear witness everyday? Or God's Gracious Mercy borne in faith? The internet abounds daily with miraculous stories of vindication, healing and Glory resulting from the sincere petition to God Almighty. The Days of Lot & Noah are here again, and we are in their midst...
http://www.jesusplusnothing.com/studies/online/daysofnoah.htm
As earthquakes increase, and the oceans become even more agitated, as earth's weather increasingly confounds and as the Heavens shake....all as long ago and lovingly foretold in God's Word....
My sincere question to the makers of 2012 and to all those who worship after a military false god, or even that harsh and fickle taskmaster called "we the people" is this:
Will you be "left behind", while thinking yourselves ahead?
There is yet a short measure of road remaining upon which to search one's soul and petition God in humble sincerity....for His Hand upon your Life.
The Life He was pleased to give You.
Considering the lateness of the hour, please read:
The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls—never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20
Isaiah 65:17-Behold, I will create new heavens and a new earth
Blessings in Yeshua
__________________
"There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." Luke 21:25-28
Your vitriolic rage won't lessen the fact that those with eyes to see and ears to hear are receiving, and will continue to receive, the Truth of the these things, despite your childish responses.i have no idea where you get the idea i am 'raging' or being 'vitriolic'. it would be nice if you could logically address the substance of someones post...
rave on.
The Truth is getting harder to hide from each and every day....
since you are copy/pasting, i will too.a sextant would be nice but unnessasarry. using a tape measure and a 4 foot carpenters level i did the measurement today.
buy a sextant, educate yourself on how to use it and take some measurements.
quoting a book of dogma inspired by an imaginary godfairy is NOT a proof. see petitio principii...
the axischange.wordpress.com link was hilarious... it predicted on aug 9, 2007 that "The Arctic will melt by Sept 2008". it is now 2010... so much for your prophecies techstuf, they are as imaginary as your godfairy.
blessings of the FSM be upon you mr. techstuf, may you be forever touched by his noodly appendage... ramen.
a sextant would be nice but unnessasarry. using a tape measure and a 4 foot carpenters level i did the measurement today.indeed it is unnecessary. thanks for sharing your experiment and your data! personally i have no idea what he expects... in my opinion his panic mongering is asinine.
56 inch high stake.
36 inch shadow at local noon.
a little trig, 56/36 inverse tan. subtract 11.75 degrees for the suns position on this date =45.5 degrees.
my location 45 degrees north give or take a few miles. pretty close for 15 minutest work.
in other words the sun is dead on where it should be.
the real question is wtf ts is trying to do with all this panic mongering.
just what dose he expect if someone did buy this?
fritznien
Ahhhh....but "panic mongering" is an accusation that can only be honestly rendered by those who fear such may take place.i see you are back to your circular argument.
The only valid reason one could charge "panic mongering" is if one has a reason to panic. Those who were forewarned of these things and act appropriately need have no such fear.
After all, it's not like anyone with eyes to see cannot ascertain for themselves the truth of these matters.
As I have already conclusively shown, the northern limit for the moon's declination is 28.5 degrees, anyone can see that it now moves well north of that limit.
Same with the sun, which now moves much further north in summer nowadays.
It's easy to ignore the the light of Truth when one has his back to it all the time. Eventually when the back side is burned enough, one must turn and face the Light. Whether or not it is too late for one's backside, is a risk many are willing to bake.
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
As these changes are only increasing, your lamentable efforts at obfuscation and less than skillful efforts at avoiding the facts in evidence will only serve as indictments regarding your personal character in the near future.how near is this 'future' of which you speak? a month? a year? a decade? care to hazard an educated guess based upon your myraid 'proofs'?
But then, deep down, you already know that.
God bless,
TS
Well, now that would be "panic mongering" of a different color.LOL, how convenient...
Suffice it to say that those who stand in the way of important Truths such as these, while mocking God,
Needn't waste precious time worrying about such things.
TS
the sun dose rise and set over the north pole!
by the way how am i to tell what direction your camera was pointing?
most important what are we supposed to do if you were right?
Those who... advocate that the moon and sun have always risen and set so far north in summer are sorely mistaken....
Just check the star Polaris, the North Star. If this star is changing its position, you are definitely right TechStuf, since the North Star never will change its location in the night sky as long as the tilt of our Earths axis stays normal.
OK, TechStuf, I understand you are taking things in life very seriously. I don´t.
Still, it never passes beyond the 28.8 degree limit, so even this would be a piece of cake to check. Will do this as soon as
possible.
The sun, earth and moon are all exactly where they are supposed to be here in Kentucky, USA. No changes at all.
If the God that you believe in wanted to wipe out the earth, he/she would not have to change the tilt angle to do so.
You truly believe that YOUR generation will see the forthcomming of your mythology?
then why call him God?
that link doesn't explain why, it merely engages in petitio principii by using the bible as evidence of god...
http://www.kingdombiblestudies.org/2hands/2hands1.htm
That's Why.
Epicurus, the 'cymbalic' escapist, was obviously prone to shallow observations.
Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom...
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
Mr. inebriated, you do yourself no great service by popping into my threads merely to register your disagreement and derision. Your childish retorts about 'sauce' and 'noodly appendage' in nearly the same breath as your peppering of latin denote a post adolescent juvenile in the throws of arrested development. One wonders why you find it necessary at all to do so....other than simply to waste your time, showcase ignorance and feign intellect. Such statements remind me of these characters:the church of the FSM is as logically valid as your church. furthermore, the existence of the holy FSM Himself is validated by the same 'logic' that you use to validate your imaginary godfairy. and finally, the blessings i send your way are no different than the blessings you send my way. your continued FAITH in this 'late harvest moon' garbage and continued denial of empirical evidence denotes a post adolescent juvenile in the throes of arrested development. one wonders why you find it necessary at all to do so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBjOs-egFMs
Who are quite adept at ending up as mystified traitors to their own souls.
Honest readers on the forum may note that I do not visit your threads....at all. This is out of courtesy to others and self respect. Concepts you seem to find....distasteful.
Man up and go find somewhere else to play.
As many have already witnessed, some of us have important things to say and do.
Yahweh bless you.
You can never prepare for a quake unless you know the magnitude beforehand, which, they do not.
Ever notice the Chemtrails? Always running at the horizon during afternoons so the horizon is block by haze, so any direct observation is corrupted.
We have observed growing light along the horizon during the dark months of the year, like a rainbow or city lights. We have also noticed disturbing changes in our wildlife
Even if, by God will, we, good people, survive the cataclism, we probably will die by lack of oxygen.
The stories told by the Sumerians ar far older than the young bible,
So it may not be your illusion of the son of god standing in front of you, but the great Annunaki, our real Creators with their elongated skulls grinning down at you.
At the moment there is not an actual variation in the axial inclination, but it could happen, and that would be a catastrophe, the like of which we have never witnessed in modern times. It has happened in the course of the Earth's history, and many lands vanished to the bottom of the oceans.
Be that as it "may".....the facts are: the moon is north of it's former limit, we have perplexing tides, increasing rogue waves, rougher seas, tsunami and earthquakes...and the sun now rises and sets MUCH further north in summer and south in winter and at angles far shallower than in years before the Great Tsunami of 2004. A change in earth's orbtial plane would account for some of these observations. There is no shortage of Chemtrail spraying to obfuscate some of these events. Alot of spraying on the horizon at sunup and sundown in recent years. The rise and descent angles, and apparent traversing arcs of sun and moon have changed considerably.
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%e2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%e2%80%ba-create-new-post-%e2%80%94-wordpress/
http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated
To those honest with themselves and studious enough to personally confirm these things, it is obvious that there is a virtual multimedia wide blackout of these things, as well as reports that meteorologists and other "professionals" must sign non-disclosure agreements regarding these truths, or be summarily dismissed.
Considering all the sources of information I have shared at this site and others, I am content that I have met my burden of proof that Luke 21:25-28 are undergoing fulfillment at this time.
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
It will be brought home to us by a tremendous earthquake that will shake the Earth to its foundations. Cities will fall in ruins and great cracks will appear in the surface of the Earth. The effects will be catastrophic.
The earth reels like a drunkard, it sways like a hut in the wind; so heavy upon it is the guilt of its rebellion that it falls--never to rise again. Isaiah 24:20
The tilt of the axis remains constant at 23.444475 degrees
With all due respect, none of what you have said here is "well proven".
The moon is still in perfect alignment in my part of the world, for what that is worth.
If you truly believe this why are you here? If you believe we only have days to live why not spend them with your loved ones and not on some forum?
The only disinfo agents are you guys saying the world ends tomorrow.
Dont blame your ignorance and you blind faith on us, all the mythologies and ancient religion talks about what is going on today.
They were all paranoid with their solar clock and the postion of the sun at the equinoxes and the soltices, because it is writting everywhere that when it is no more "constant" the Earth will experiment a major cataclism.
Immanuel Velikovsky wrote extensively about it (in is book World in collision)and blame Venus and Mars previous cycle of destruction.
We could debate if it is the fact that the elypse is moved to enter too close to Venus or Mars or its because we are getting to close to the Sun that will generate the massive volcanic eruptions and the Earth rotation stop described in EVERY mythologies.
For my part I believe it is the next Venus Transit who will block us totaly from the Solar Wind, but we have to agree that this is the TIME and they know it since 3000bc when the first Venus observation was calculated.
Moses knew when to get out on solid rock, how did he knew?????
Magic, no it was an alien for planet jhvjfnk
PS What hard science fact do you have? They are repeating Kepler 1650's mathematic formulas...anything more recent?
The fact remains, at this current time, there is no noticeable change in the earth's axis. When there is a major change, we will all be aware of it, and it will be undeniable.
We are aware of the tilt change, the birds are aware, the oceans tides are aware, the inuits are aware, the crop failures are aware, the magnetic poles are aware. You in the other hand are paroting the Pharisees and you dont even know how to calculate the Earth axis.it is deliciously amusing (almost as amusing as you guys fighting over which of your imaginary trinities is the correct one; ea, enki and enlil or father, son and holy ghost) when someone who can't even spell calls someone else 'naive' or 'intelectually [sic] special'... paroting? comprent? mindlesly? lol ::)
Are you that naive or just intelectually "special" that you dont need to comprehent a thesis in order to repeat it mindlesly?
We are aware of the tilt change, the birds are aware, the oceans tides are aware, the inuits are aware, the crop failures are aware, the magnetic poles are aware. You in the other hand are paroting the Pharisees and you dont even know how to calculate the Earth axis.
Are you that naive or just intelectually "special" that you dont need to comprehent a thesis in order to repeat it mindlesly?
GB
You took the time to educate yourself! wow shocking
So when did you take a meter and cast a shadow during the soltices?
So how can you come here and tell us that the axis didnt changed?
When all the credible observational evidences are leading us to a tilt change
Are you paroting someone? Are you paid to say that? Is it a part of you personality to trust everyone without thinking?
Now that you cant proove to us that the axis didnt change try to answer those questions:
Why the inuits elders are testifying that the stars and the Sun changed position?
Why are the magnetic poles are racing away from there old positions?
Why are the birds showing up at new upwards locations?
Why all the tides of the world are now drasticaly changed?
Why are the Red tides phenomenas are now common?
Why the plants are confused and bared fruit early?
Why is the Sun intensity increased in the Arctic?
Well I forgot you cant think for yourself.
You have faith that the Earth axis didnt change, well OK
Hope is for people like you
GB
You took the time to educate yourself! wow shocking
So when did you take a meter and cast a shadow during the soltices?
So how can you come here and tell us that the axis didnt changed?
When all the credible observational evidences are leading us to a tilt change
Are you paroting someone? Are you paid to say that? Is it a part of you personality to trust everyone without thinking?
Now that you cant proove to us that the axis didnt change try to answer those questions:
Why the inuits elders are testifying that the stars and the Sun changed position?
Why are the magnetic poles are racing away from there old positions?
Why are the birds showing up at new upwards locations?
Why all the tides of the world are now drasticaly changed?
Why are the Red tides phenomenas are now common?
Why the plants are confused and bared fruit early?
Why is the Sun intensity increased in the Arctic?
Well I forgot you cant think for yourself.
You have faith that the Earth axis didnt change, well OK
Hope is for people like you
But if I'm the crackpot that you, Pirate, obviously believe me to be, then what are you still wasting time on my thread for? Don't waste your valuable time on the likes of me! Surely you have loved ones that could use the attention?
TechStuff has been promoting this idea of a change in the earth's axial tilt for quite some time now (this is nothing new). I have already researched his claims way before now, and the conclusion is the claims are erroneous and unfounded.
Ok lets do it easy for the slow learners.the clown corrected for the time of year just like navigators corrected for the last 500 years when calculating lattitude.
The 23.3 is the mesurment related to the Sun elevation at the Soltices.
NOT THE AXIS OF ROTATION like the mindless parrot posted earlier.
The 23.3 is related to the elyptic amplitude/angle, a change in the elyptic will affect the Sun elevation
WITHOUT AFFECTING AXIS OF ROTATION (North star)
(Thats why you have now the Magnetic north Pole racing upwards towards Russia)
The intellectually challenge might have difficulties understanding that you cant measure the Earth Tilt in relation to the SUN outside of the Soltices, because this is an observational number based on the soltices position.
So the clown who measured it last month probably is another of the "paid per line" internet troll
Gravityblock you studied this for sometime now you said? Drop it you are humiliating yourself.
For those who can think for themselves: http://www.orbitsimulator.com/gravity/articles/kozai.html
The 23.3 is related to the elyptic amplitude/angle, a change in the elyptic will affect the Sun elevation
WITHOUT AFFECTING AXIS OF ROTATION (North star)
(Thats why you have now the Magnetic north Pole racing upwards towards Russia)
Well played sir.
I agree with this statement, Atlastired, the ecliptic plane seems to have changed. If we reach another summer, as I have stated before, judging by what was witnessed last summer, it is possible that we (at least those of us at 41 degrees N latitude), could witness the sun never completely set for a month or so near the beginning of Summer, making the sun visible 24/7!
This seems quite possibly related to a change in the eliptic plane. Our planet appears to dip below the former ecliptic plane at summer and rise above it in winter.
Notice how the naysayers don't touch the mountain of supporting evidence, but only focus on "establishment data" which many people have found "less than trust worthy."
The documentary movie, "Expelled - Intelligence not allowed" comes to mind.
Since when did lying to one's self and others become such a 'noble' art? Pretty far back, actually.
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
When the Sun wont Shine and the Moon will be of blood...is that when your imaginary godfairy is going to judge us?
Hey,
please keep your personal religious convictions for yourself and give us an idea
how to prove that you are right by astronomica means.
Yes the mentaly challenged are stoping their brains function because a little 3D animation is voluntary mixing ELIPTIC PLANE ANGLE and AXIS OF ROTATION. They come here parroting this, showing to all of us how little they grasp of basic comprehention.i did measure the sun angle at local noon,this was a common method of finding latitude.
The fact that the Sun is coming Higher is pushing the Magnetosphere at a different angle, the Magnetic Pole location is moved and it is now in Russia.
A moved magnetic pole will have effect on conductive fluid(Oceans) and that is happening with the Gulf Stream.
For the clown that measure it last month, measurement for latitudes (Sextan, Astrolab) are based on Stars and references tables not on the Sun, but you claimed that you measured it, Why? Money? Place in the Bunker? Stupidity?
Are you a Pharisee who once again is blinding millions to a sure death?
http://divulgence.net/Sun%20angle.html
nothing about how much the earths axis has moved.just the claim it has.3 years old.
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/weather/stories/Downtown-Los-Angeles-Heat-Weather-103883779.html
nothing on the position of the sun
http://axischange.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/earth%E2%80%99s-axis-has-changed-%E2%80%BA-create-new-post-%E2%80%94-wordpress/
3 years old,lots of dire posibilities, some predicted for 2008.
http://www.isuma.tv/lo/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change-project/earth-has-shifted
claim of refraction index change in air due to AGW warming.
http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
AGW site on arctic sea ice, nothing on suns position.
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100827/full/news.2010.437.html
dead fish no certain cause.
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-knowledge-and-climate-change/tilted-earth-has-changed-everything
lots of hearsay and oppinion no numbers.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/orbits.htm
claims back to 2003, lots of conflicting data, seems hung up on sunrise postion to chart earths tilt, i have no idea what this is suposed to mean
in terms of tilt or orbit.
http://nfo.edu/limits.jpg
ok. and?
http://i48.tinypic.com/10qbh9v.jpg
a picture of the moon and a street light.
http://i50.tinypic.com/29krwar.jpg
pic of a site line, which proves
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/hightides/
tides on east coast up to 2 feet above normal. no records set,cause speculated to be wind and gulf stream.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/11/071122-tremors-tides.html
interesting but nothing on the sun or moon being out of position.
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
3 years old, lots of sun is in the wrong position claims, only one with numbers, not comeplete,looks like a 7 degree differance, no info on method.
http://www.gpb.org/news/2009/07/27/scientists-dont-know-whats-causing-freak-tides
repeat on tides.
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200907241023.htm
predicted by met officials. 100 year tides.
Google - monster waves cruise
Whatever, Whomever, you choose to believe, dear readers,
I bid you Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ. And may He find you working what is good toward all, upon His return.
tech when you actually post something that means something, when you post a claim that can be measured and verified i might start to beleave you.
in the mean time the J man said witness to the truth.
fritznien
tech when you actually post something that means something, when you post a claim that can be measured and verified i might start to beleave you.
in the mean time the J man said witness to the truth.
fritznien
i did measure the sun angle at local noon,this was a common method of finding latitude.
see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_navigation
"Latitude was measured in the past either at noon (the "noon sight")
i did it at noon because its easier to measure a shadow cast by the noon sun. the tools were close to hand a 4 foot carpenters level and a tape measure. a quick look up for trig. functions and use a calculator. i made one assumption, that the correction factor would be the sine function of how far the year had progressed from the equinox, 5 months out of 6 so call it sin 150 degrees which is point 5.
23.5 times point 5=11.75
measured angle 57.25-11.75=45.5
my answer came out within half of a degree of my location.
it was a ten minute job, anyone can duplicate it.
if you think i measured the wrong thing why don't you us all what i should be measuring and how.
i never said anyone was wrong i said i can't see what they are referring to and what i can see.
fritznien
Surely you have something more personally constructive you could be doing....rather than continually showing your character to be one lacking in respect for the beliefs of others?let's be clear, it's your 'faith', not your 'belief'... there is a not so subtle difference, being that faith is a belief not based on material evidence or a logical proof.
let's be clear, it's your 'faith', not your 'belief'... there is a not so subtle difference, being that faith is a belief not based on material evidence or a logical proof.
I believe you are just a few paid desinfo trolls who spend your days on multitude of Forums with multitude of Avatar to attack the Truth when it shows up.
Thats is exactly what we are saying about you: You have faith that things are as it should be, you have Faith that the tides changes are normal, you have Faith that CO2 is causing global warming, you have Faith that the sun intensity and elevation in the Arctic is based on refraction, you have Faith that refraction is real, you have faith that your car is lowering %30 of the Gulf stream ect ectnice try with the logical fallacies. you are absolutely incorrect. i may or may not believe those things. you however, have no idea what my beliefs (not faith) are on those subjects, as i have never voiced them. i don't even drive a car you mental midget...
You have FAITH because you are incapable to think for yourself and you need some Pedophiles Fraud to tell you how to think...
Science is based on observational evidences, and we observe change in the Sun Elevation and intensity: This is a science fact.
Refraction is an opinion, it cant be measured, it is a Faith based explaination exacly like CO2 AWG, we never "observed" CO2 affecting climate more than an other gas, but it is a fact for the mindless gullible faith based believers.
I believe you are just a few paid desinfo trolls who spend your days on multitude of Forums with multitude of Avatar to attack the Truth when it shows up.
But the Aliens/Pleiadians you dont need facts for that do you? Where are you when real skeptic are needed?
@techstuf... i am still waiting for you to present some material evidence or logical proof of your imaginary godfairy.
Yeah right, one beautiful day of last month, for no particular raison you decided to take the levelmy post is in this thread the day i did the measurement, what are your measurements or are you too stupid to read a tape measure?
and measure its shadow, you kept it secret until today where you are disclosing the results.
Give us your name, your location and post your face with the results on youtube, so we know what a liar looks like
Tell us more about your parroting belief of refraction due to AGW my little Zion troll
my post is in this thread the day i did the measurement, what are your measurements or are you too stupid to read a tape measure?I hope you made a little video, so people could watch you put the level on hard ground and levelled, instead of 1 inch into dirt.
fritznien
It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make
any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.
But individual reports have no scientific validity since you have to be able to employ a repeatable scientifical method of measurement to really prove anything, and there is no such thing presented in this thread.
but since you already have made up your mind and everyone that questions
your view of the situation are ridiculed, communication ceases.
This standpoint of yours not only unfortunately diminishes the validity of the proposed scenario, it also diminishes the possibilities of a friendly atmosphere and all the values I believed to be the essence of a good christian.
For those who might be paying attention, please re-read reply #79 in this thred. The Christ Church New Zealand quake occurred when the moon was near it's northern most point each month. Considerably north of it's formerly accepted norm of 28.5 degrees.
As the moon again reaches it's northern limit here in a few days, it will be interesting to see what effects may again be exhibited in the earth's crust.
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
What beats me is the abscence of the thousands and thousands of amateur astronomers that years ago would have noticed this change in the orbit of Earth around the Sun. It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.
And it would mean that every proffessional astromomer on Earth would be knowing about this without saying it to anyone, since it is something they would detect the same instant it started to happen.
Gwandau
What beats me is the abscence of the thousands and thousands of amateur astronomers that years ago would have noticed
this change in the orbit of Earth around the Sun. It would have resulted in a global outcry of a magnitude that would make
any attempts to cover this up by proffesional astronomers totally impossible.
Our Father reveals that one of his angels, at this late hour, would "pour out His bowl" upon the sun.
http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2010/01/nasa-images-earth-sized-spherical.html
http://sites.google.com/site/2012thebigwobble/nasa-spheres-updated
I agree, but what if the earth is pushed either up or down in it's orbit while at the same time changing it's axial tilt to offset and balance out this orbital change,
then it would go un-noticed by both the amateur and professional astronomers.
GB
What about simulating a Alien attack on the SUN! With a special UFO technology weapon who will be the cause of the Cyclic Cataclism observed times and times again in our ancestral past.
I myself feels the urge for pinning it down to the exact scientific verification by a repeatable method, since its implications would result in a major change in the future actions for me and my family.
All the mechanical phenomena of the Universe are explainable.
Certainly, if one has the Time and Understanding.
Blessings
With the correct understanding it would take very little time.
All the mechanical phenomena of the Universe are explainable.
Yes, but you forget you used those two little words, "all" and "universe".
See my point?
lol
No, I do not see your point.
God is an oscillating charge
The orb pics, including independent observations, are, in my view, much more likely to do with our Father's promises than man's tech capability.
Im deaply sad that you are bitting to the agenda they are trying to place, stealing Jesus to put some Aliens man-made scam.
Yes, the powers that be may throw a "false flag" operation and fake an "alien invasion" to further enslave mankind, to further their agenda, to deceive even the elect of God, and to turn all they can away from God, before the return of Christ.
nice try with the logical fallacies. you are absolutely incorrect. i may or may not believe those things. you however, have no idea what my beliefs (not faith) are on those subjects, as i have never voiced them. i don't even drive a car you mental midget...
once again for the ignoramus who doesn't know the definition of faith...
faith: a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof.
@techstuf... i am still waiting for you to present some material evidence or logical proof of your imaginary godfairy.
may the blessings and sauce of the FSM be upon you both, and may you be forever touched by its noodly appendage.
edit:
is god willing to prevent evil, but not able? then he is not omnipotent.
is he able, but not willing? then he is malevolent.
is he both able and willing? then whence cometh evil?
is he neither able nor willing? then why call him god?
-epicurus
Is God willing to prevent evil? Yes. Is he able? Yesdid 'god' tell you this? can you provide any material evidence or a logical proof?
The material evidence and logical proof of God is your very own existence along with the rest of the universe.you don't have a very good grasp of what material evidence is or a logical proof is do you?
The universe can not be explained without God, thus the mechanical motion of the universe can never be understood if God is left out of the equation, which science has done.god is a construct of man, he/she/it is not necessary to explain anything.
did 'god' tell you this? can you provide any material evidence or a logical proof?
you don't have a very good grasp of what material evidence is or a logical proof is do you?
my very own existence along with yours and the rest of the multiverse is no more proof of god than it is proof pink unicorns with glitter... ::)god is a constuct of man, he/she/it is not necessary to explain anything.
The Holy Scriptures provide the proof in that He is able and willing to prevent evil, and this is material evidence and logical proof. If your existence is not material evidence, then there is nothing in your mind that could ever be. You sound like Hawking when saying God isn't neccessary to explain the universe, and Hawking's appears to be not of a sound mind. It's also not neccessary for us to believe we are breathing in air, but this in no way means the air does not exist, and the same is true for God and the universe. You will die a spiritual death without God, just like you will die a physical death without air. Is God neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to deny His existence while experiencing a spirititual death. Is breathing air neccessary? Nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death. Is God neccessary to explain the universe? Nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him.the holy 'babble' is no more evidence of god willingness to do 'good' than the starwars novels are evidence of jedi's willingness to do good... ::) your argument is circular, see petitio principii. furthermore, you are putting the cart before the horse. you need to prove you imaginary godfairy before you go using the bible as evidence of 'him'. i would suggest that hawking's mind is more sound than one who uses the holy 'babble' as evidence of god and his will...
GB
Ateists and Believers alike !indeed!
You just have to admit: Nobody really KNOWS anything.
We may believe that we KNOW.
We may be sure that we KNOW.
We may even be permeated by the absolute conviction of KNOWING.
But let's face it: WE DON'T KNOW A F-N THING.
NOBODY DOES.
And maybe this is the very beauty of existence, remaning a mystery.
Gwandau
the holy 'babble' is no more evidence of god willingness to do 'good' than the starwars novels are evidence of jedi's willingness to do good... ::) your argument is circular, see petitio principii. furthermore, you are putting the cart before the horse. you need to prove you imaginary godfairy before you go using the bible as evidence of 'him'.
as i said before my existence is no more proof of god than it is proof of elves and hobbits and balrogs. the silmarillion is as valid of a genesis story as the one in the holy 'babble'.
you see, i can take your 'logic' and your 'material evidence' and substitute nearly anything for 'god' and it holds the same. i can say to you that you will die a spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster, just like you die a physical death without air. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary? nope, you have the choice to deny his existence while experiencing a spirititual death. is breathing air necessary? nope, you have the choice to hold your breath while experiencing a physical death. is the flying spaghetti monster necessary to explain the universe? nope, but you won't have the proper understanding of the universe without him... does that make the flying spaghetti monster a reality? NOPE. when you understand why you discredit all the other 'gods', you will understand why i discredit yours...
P.S. God can prevent "Evil" but will he all the time? No. We have Freewill. That means we can choose to not do good. What is "Evil"? Choosing to do bad things. You might think Hitler was "Evil" ... which he was... but then... we are all evil! You lied, cheated, stole, etc etc etc.... all acts of evil. We place our own emphasis on what is evil and what is not. We do not have the ability to judge evil as God would. How can a liar judge another liar or a thief another thief?
If God stepped in to stop all acts of evil then we wouldn't have free will. Judge all acts of evil as long as you're looking in the mirror with the realization that you can be evil too.
Problem with science is we have very FEW great minds willing to go outside of the box. People just accept Joe Shmoe because what he says is "logical".i disagree. people just accept what joe shmoe says because they really don't understand logic.
We were not there in the beginning to see how any of this reality came to be. We can GUESS what happened and pretend it's fact.... dress it up with nice equations to back the theory.... the major flaw - Ego.indeed. it seems to be as silly as perpetual motion... who will be there at infinity point to say "yup, it's still working, spinning, generating, whatever."?
The whole point to this mess of writing is that both Science and Religion require faith. You can try to argue this all you want.. I hope you can sit your ego to the side and ponder it for a bit. You have to realize the faith.... some of the statistical probability of many theory foundations share the same numbers as "A goose laying a solid gold egg"...faith is a subset of belief. a specific case of belief if you will; a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof. i'm not quite sure why you brought 'science' into this, as we are speaking of logic and reason, not science. regardless, science itself does not require faith although some of the theories of popular science may. logic and reason do not require 'faith'.
I'm sorry, but nobody will die a physical or spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster. You're talking nonsense now.just as noone will die a physical or spiritual death without god. i was mocking your nonsense...
GB
I just know that I am a sinner and am no better than they are."the very concept of sin comes from the bible. christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?" dan barker
just as noone will die a physical or spiritual death without god. i was mocking your nonsense...
Science says energy can not be created nor destroyed. If this is the case, then the unverse should not exist, for it contains both matter and energy which can not be created. How is this way of thinking logical? It's not logical at all, and you choose the illogical over the logical. You choose nonsense over common sense. You choose irrelevant things over relevant things.i haven't chosen anything, you have. show me one quote of mine where i tell people how the multiverse was and is... you won't find it. want me to show you where you have done this?
GB
Logic and reason are nothing more than individual perception. I am a coder... been that way for 15 years.... my sense of logic and reason differs greatly from many other people. My sense of logic stems from an object oriented method of thinking. I break everything down around me. It's a force of habit to take things down to their base ingredient. I want to know what things are, what created them, where they spawned from, how the logic behind them came to be, what outside object triggers events within this object and so on. I believe this physical universe had a starting point. I believe there was a source before it's starting point. I do not believe in creating nothing out of thin air in this PHYSICAL universe. I do not believe in an infinite particle floating around that magically started to degrade into other particles. If something is moving through space it is because an event took place to make it move. What was the event and what was the object that initiated that event? Now lets run into an infinite loop because we'll have to ask the same questions about this object now. By infinite loop I mean you'll have to keep asking the same set of questions about every object you come across down the line. So you'll accept the infinite loop or accept a source. If you accept the infinite loop then you'll accept that "matter" can be created. Now... if you accept that... let's make that an object... and ask the same set of questions as before. If you're following a long so far you'll start to see that a source is required.and i have coded for over 30 years... mint? you don't believe there was a source before it's starting point... a belief requires material evidence or a logical proof. you have NEITHER. you have FAITH there was a source before it's starting point.
i haven't chosen anything, you have. show me one quote of mine where i tell people how the multiverse was and is... you won't find it. want me to show you where you have done this?
i know another pld joke.
eskimo: "if i did not know about god and sin, would i go to hell?"
priest: "no, not if you did not know."
eskimo: "then why did you tell me?"
only sheep need a shepherd...
gravityblock,
now you are cooking! That short line of scientific argument really rocked! Could it be that simple?
It sure would explain away many of my doubts regarding the validity of this scenario.
Gwandau
Could it be that simple?
... I and many others watched the sun rise over maine and set over seattle for months this year....and watched it rise at a crazy angle and set at the same angle,...
What angle were you expecting?
Sun is too far north in summer, the moon's orbit has been proven to have changed considerably
@TechStuff - I've read several places (here too probably) about the "28.5 Deg" figure that the moon doesn't exceed in the sky - is there anyone (professional, amateur, whatever...) that is capable for measuring the 'real' angle doing so and publishing the fact? I mean, this is the moon, it's not something you can actually hide to prevent anyone competent from measuring the true angle and showing beyond doubt that something strange is happening!get yourself a sextant, 200$ at Edmund scientific.
Yet there seems to be no actual evidence available to support this claim...
get yourself a sextant, 200$ at Edmund scientific.
In a way you are just validating my point - ie. it is pretty easy to conclusively prove this hypothesis!!!they all say the sun and moon are in their proper place.
So where is the evidence of all of those people out there who already have a $200 sextant?
I don't mean to belabor the point but there are 10 of 1000 of amateur astronomers worldwide, a very large percentage of whom will have have both the means and the understanding to immediately spot that the moon is not where it's supposed to be. Moreover, any one of these that have the trendier computer controlled varieties of telescopes would have this info printed on the screen in front of them - they couldn't possibly fail to miss it!its not of course,recheck the claim, the change is supposed to be visible to the naked eye. yet no numbers direction or other information that can be checked.
It's one thing to suggest that there is a conspiracy of suppression against free-energy, (of which I have no doubt is the case) and it's also plausible to suggest that professional astronomers are sheepishly part of a blanket-ban on this information, but it's quite another thing to say that all of these amateurs are also part of this cover-up.
I just don't see how it's possible...
The blind who are resigned to their collective condition, are afraid of the Light, even in small flashes.
Yet every eye will see He Who is coming...
And will have no defense upon being confronted with the many signs they refused to see. Observe and learn while time, what is left, remains.
Blessings
Well, since I last posted in January....obviously much has happened regarding these Truths. The world has seen several tsunami warnings, including Japan's nation changing quake/tsunami, various volcano eruptions, innumerable earthquakes of appreciable size and diverse location. Record fires, floods, tornadoes.....
What does it all mean?
How could all of these things be foretold ages in advance?
Does it matter that our Father reveals that Christ would return at a time when a great "beast", or military conglomerate would take dominion over the skies, even going into space? The rest of the world wondering, 'who is able to wage war with it'?
It matters to those taking note of the signs of the season of Christ's return, and acting positively with such knowledge.
Those days will be just as in the days of Noah....they will be eating and drinking and carrying on right up until sudden destruction is upon them.
You, dear reader, needn't be among them.
Blessings all, in Christ Yeshua.
"Backwoods Home" requires someone to log into their site to read this thread cited above. But, I'm on a borrowed computer, so that might be the problem.
http://www.backwoodshome.com/forum/vb/showthread.php?t=18430
Blessings in Yeshua, Jesus Christ
...let the truth be told, your god/gods and spirits/demons don't scare me in the least, actually none at all. ...We do agree. They don't scare me at all, either.
...we must deal with it, religious nuts will always be creeps in the mainstream of everybody. ... how long will it take? 10,000 years of your god's absence, 100,000 years maybe more, how long will such a person hold on to all the failings of a returned god of any sort. ...No God "returned" to me, past present or future. I'm a Jew. The Messiah isn't here yet; not to me.
... it is a mental illness that leaves a mind prone to suggestions, religion is a form of hypnosis and remains the same and will never change, those who are strong against hypnosis are more likely to be Atheist. ...Oh? Really, now? I'm strongly against hypnosis, and a Jew. All at once. 'Once size fits all' is a simplification when people can be so different. Some more than others. I'll leave it to the Members and public to decide whether or not I'm correct by their personal experience. Seems fair to me. But, then, what's really fair?
...Would any of you 'right' minded people actually hand Techstuf a Hydrogen Bomb, freely? hmmm?I think Dr. No(wak), thinks like Techstuf sometimes. Nazism is a religion to a Nazi. NO! I wouldn't give an 'H' bomb to Techstuff, the extremist Muslims, or Dr. No(wak)!
...lose the mask please.Techstuf may not know how to lose his protective cover in his beliefs. I can change, even if I don't like it much. Karma is real to me.
The question is....what's next? According to God's Word, which has been unfolding exactly according to schedule, the pouring of the 5th bowl is next to come....what's next? well according to the holy babble (buy-bull) the pouring out of the fifth bowl will be a darkness... so, all you have to do is wait 'till nighttime and then, once again, your self fulfilling prophecy will come to pass... ::)
For those interested, the MSM news outlets are reporting that over 2,500 locations in the U.S. have tied or broken all time heat records in the U.S. just in the month of July.So now we are going to read the Bible to find OU solutions?
No surprise here.....for Revelation 16:8 reports:
8 The fourth angel poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. 9 They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.
I, and many others have been following reports of many strange goings on with the sun...which coincide with the intense heat in the northern hemisphere, as the heavenly bodies have been shaken from their former postions.
The question is....what's next? According to God's Word, which has been unfolding exactly according to schedule, the pouring of the 5th bowl is next to come....
Our Heavenly Father is shaking things up the world over, and You, I, all of us, will no longer be afforded a precarious perch on this wobbling fence of our own making, and will come down on one side of it, or the other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TokXogAzHKU
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/noah's_ark.htm
Only 3 bowls left to be poured....
Blessings in Christ Yeshua
Just as the Word of Yahweh proclaims.Well, okay then, as to the Word of God, in Job, God has words with the devil and then allows the devil to torture Job, an otherwise good and righteous man. There's more:
Blessings, Big M.If you want to be a slave to your personal mental will and beliefs, you have the right of free will.
In fact, Blessings, all!
We sure can use them.
Time is short, we must all choose for ourselves whom or what it is that we would serve. Be it slavery to our own lusts and desires, servitude to corrupt social, economic, religious, or governmental institutions, etc....etc....ad nauseum.
There is only 1 commandment in the satanic bible. "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law".Never read this book. And you quote it? Do you read it?
What has been proven thus far in human history? Man has proven over and over again, that doing HIS will, leaning upon his own understanding, has ALWAYS lead to man dominating man to his own injury!I remember distinctly in the Torah (Old Testament) that when God, Adonai, gave the Holy Land to the Jews, He deliberately told them to kill every man, woman and child already living there. Otherwise, Adonai would let the Jew's enemies kill them for disobeying He, Adonai.
There is yet time for many to come to greater understanding.Whose? Yours? Why or why not? The whole Bible is open to interpretation.
As for me, I will serve our Creator in Christ Yeshua, as He has proven, is proving, and will always prove, to be the Ultimate and Loving Authority in the universe.Adonai, not the Messiah, let Job suffer at the hands of the devil. Not loving to me.
TechStuf:
You're aware that if you say anything to anyone, I can do as I've done here? Only a Moderator or Administrator can change my post.
If I have to read your potentially proselyting posts interspersed throughout this board, I can do the same to you.
"Give others what they give you."
Blindness is pandemic."They are pure in their own eyes, and an abomination in others."
The foundation of your belief is crumbling beneath your feet....you would do well to see with your eyes instead of those borrowed from blind men.Animals and children (and practially everyone else) merely observe what they see. They really don't look at something spiritual like a Native American shaman is capable of.
some native wisdom...I can only imagine the tribal elder said the truth. However, seeing that WilbyInebriated uploaded the article, I consider it an honor to have read it.
God Himself said He would blind the haughty, elite minded, and give His Wisdom to the "primitive" and those looked down upon....do you have any scientific evidence for any of the above? or is it just rephrased beliefs?
Much natural wisdom can be found among the down to earth peoples the world over. However, as to the greater Truths contained in God's Word, much is hidden, even from those imbued with generations of natural wisdom. It is human nature to worship the creation rather than the Creator, such was foretold long ago. There are native americans, Indians, chinese....etc...people of every race who are thoroughly disgusted with what their leaders have done in their name.
The white man is no different. What is different, however, is that the white man, though richly blessed above every other people, has squandered his inheritance on a scale unlike the world has ever known.
Of course, all of this was foretold to the letter....
http://www.missiontoisrael.org/gods-covenant-people/tableofcontents.php
Youtube: shriner lucifer
Google: d.c. jerusalem masonic shrine
Google: six pointed star mark
Google: 666 talents of gold
One can find more historical information which substantiates God's Holy Word than they may care to, by simply researching the terms above. So, as one can see, if one chooses to take the time to Honestly research the matter, God's Word has proven EXACTLY accurate about who is in power at this late hour....and the outcome of this whole ball of wax.
God said that soon before He sends Christ Yeshua, and the Holy Angels.....
Luke 21:25-28
25 “There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.â€
And it is exactly so.
Google: Huge Media Blackout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5U1FTP-D1E&list=FLNu8_ox5fXZ8&index=3
He stated not only who would be in power at this time, but what their 'mark' would be.....who they would worship....their technical and war capability.....and....what will become of them.
Let's see, what 'mark' could physically represent Solomon's 666? Solomon's seal perhaps? the HEXagram?
The 'beast' of Revelation is military/governmental in nature....it's mark is everywhere. One cannot watch Cspan (not that one would want to) without seeing the six pointed star between every member of congress seated on the wooden benches. The six pointed star is above the symbol of the U.S. on every dollar bill. (We rule OVER america)
http://www.vnnforum.com/archive/index.php/t-32111.html
http://i55.tinypic.com/25qw239.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD7DnIB7_ng
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVQRMrlQ95U
So, not only do the walmart employees have the mark of the beast on their foreheads (of their hats), they are testing the setup of mobile guard towers at walmart parking lots all over. It doesn't take a social engineering expert to ascertain that not if, but WHEN, things in this country begin to approximate what is happening in many countries around the world, whose economies have been sucked dry as a bone...store shelves of the mom and pop stores will empty fast, and lacking the cporate infrastructure of walmart's leviathan distribution chain, they will collapse. Walmart has already made it's deal with the devil, and will be the only game in town.....
for those who play ball.
With their souls.
Google: lucifer companies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l39XsMcyvgA
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-computers-will-soon-get-under-our-skin-2336246.html
So, those of you who disbelieve God's Word, which has, as any rational person can easily ascertain for themselves, has proven perfectly accurate, will face some important decisions.
God is shaking this world....and those undecided will come down off the fence on one side or the other. So, for those of you who like to mock God, remember that many now see the Truth. Not bad for a book of "myth" written thousands of years ago, by many different writers, over the course of thousands of years, all in perfect agreement! God bless you.
Blessings all, dear readers, in Christ Yeshua! Study and remember what is shared above....for the 4th bowl, the pouring out upon the sun and plague of heat has come and the 5th bowl, the darkening of the kingdom of the beast is approaching.
For those interested, open your bibles to Revelation 16:8 and read what happens during the next 3 bowls.
Blessings
@ Techwell said sm0key.
i wont pretend to understand your reasons for belief in a mythical creature.. But you base your dismissal of the real world, with absurd assumptions, and that i do understand.
First, you assume that without the presence of an intelligent god-creature designing all the complexities around you,
that everything would be subject to random chaos, with no order.
That is a compete fallacy.
nothing can be random. everything has a discrete reaction with everything it interacts with.
Second, you assume that without a "creator" that the universe could not even exist.
Another complete fallacy,... From what do you conclude that a mysterious "nothingness" had to have existed, prior to everything comming into existence?
What evidence do you present, that the universe could not have always existed?
Since apparently, theres only one book of which its contents you actually pay attention to....
perhaps you should take a few moments to read it.
just open it up, and read it and when you get to the end,
i want you to go back through it, and find the parts in the book where the stories intersect.
for instance, when certain individuals are commanded by god to perform an act.
then later another storyteller, depicts the devil commanding the person to commit said act.
or the differing stories of jesus' burial
or the death of judas
once you identify all of these things, then you should go back in history, and read the books they these stories originated from, before cannonization.
If the books were important enough for the leaders of your church to have decided to include them in the new version of the Holy Babble...
Then certainly these books should be worth your time to read for yourself, and see why they chose to include them.
and after that perhaps you could go and read the other works of mythological proportion that are directly referenced in the "good book"
for instance the ancient isreallite book of Jashar. - which is referenced twice by name.
there is a lot that you should understand about that book you swear your life to. If you really want to cast judgement upon me, and claim that i am ignorant of the universe that i live in..
then i shall point you in the direction of your own book.
a mirror through which to see the truth.
We can take a walk through scriptures.
And when we are done,
you will understand why moon will is right on time.
P.S. As many of you can see since I first posted information regarding these things, they have increased dramatically! If I were not telling you the truth, this would not have been so. God's Word is unfolding to the letter, and when we all stand before our maker, (and we will, all of us, and soon) there will be excuse for denying Him, His Word, and His Will.Are you aware of this: Isaiah 45:7 ?
I know why he does it,no you don't... ::) don't be so asinine and megalomaniacal as to presume you know my inner motivations... ::)
no you don't... ::) as to presume you know my inner motivations... ::)I was under the impression I had already said on another thread that I had information not available to the public. Some facts aren't safe to repeat in public, and this is an open Internet forum. I simply think you're an S.O.B. (at best!!) and that's that.
...don't be so asinine and megalomaniacal...Asinine as defined as being silly, foolish, or stupid. Really, now, you Genius, you. Do my written words strike anyone reading them as being "stupid?"