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Author Topic: magnetic perpetual motion machine design  (Read 31821 times)

TEI2MINUS

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2010, 06:16:12 AM »
i dont understand your drawing rosemary, and i dont really see how it is similar to my design.

what makes it work?
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Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2010, 06:33:01 AM »
Hi again TE12.  I was rather hoping you were around.  It's our early morning and it's a lonely time for me.  Not a good sleeper is my problem.

In any event.  Here's what I'm trying to show.  It's a cross section of the rig.  Three conical structures (like a tea cup) share the same axis but have their own bearings to enable a spin.  The 'rim' of the cones (cup) are embedded with continuous lines of magnets arranged as follows

OPTION 1
Outside circle rim has magnets lined 'head to toe' north/south continously  around the rim
Middle circle rim has magnets lined 'head to toe' south/north continuously around the rim
Inner circle rim has magnets lined 'head to toe' north/south continuously around the rim.

OPTION 2
Outside circle rim has magnets placed outside north/inside south continuously
Middle circle rim has magnets placed inside north/outside south - continuously
Inner circle rim has magnets plced outside north/inside south continuously

If you looked down on the construct you'd see three 'necklaces' forming a 3 tiered choker of diminishing length.

Hope that's clearer.

Regards,
Rosemary
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Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2010, 06:48:44 AM »
Quote from: TEI2MINUS on August 15, 2010, 06:16:12 AM
what makes it work?

My concern with all the specs I've seen on magnet motors is that they do NOT have a continuous field.  To my way of thinking a magnetic field needs a 'full on field' before it can do what it want's to do - which, (again in my view only) is to orbit and to orbit as a field.  Interrupt that field with spaces and the magnets will find their 'rest position' inside those spaces.

What I've actually drawn here - and what your own design inspired me to try - was a schematic that actually replicates what I see as an atomic energy level.  Again, only according to my own thinking I suspect that these energy levels are opposing magnetic fields.

But regarding 'what makes it work?'  - I have no idea if it will work.  But I'm interested enough to try and build this rig and test it - if that helps.  If it doesn't work - which is more than likely - I'll report here.  In the unlikely event that it does work - I'll video it.  The advantage to this over my monopole arrangement is that it's financially affordable to test this and I've already bought the magnets.  Tiny little tubular ferrite numbers with a north/south pole on a flat surface.  Diameter plus/minus 0.5cms and a depth of about 0.25 cms.  The cones or cups will be carved from teflon blocks.  And the hope is to find non inductive ceramic bearings - failing which we'll use steel.  But if we need steel then we'll need to keep the sides of the cone some critical distance from the magnets that they don't induce another field in that conductive material.

Hopefully you can follow all of this -(t12) LOL.  I've been puzzling over your avatar for a while now.

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Kindest regards,
Rosemary

ADDED  Not sure yet if it's obvious - but I'm trying to fix it that the magnets NEVER find a rest position.  But it still needs to be tested and - as ever - there's absolutely no knowing if this is right.  It would be nice to find out though. 
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Low-Q

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #48 on: August 16, 2010, 12:46:45 AM »
The problem with a continuous field is that it is continuous - no change. As there are no change in the magnetic field anywhere around the rim, there will be no places for the magnetic field to wanna go. There will probably be repulsion or attraction in the vertical plane, but nothing will ever happen in the rotary direction - with the magnets arranged like you proposed. I have tested to stack 50 small round disc magnets in a circle. The only thing that happens is that the magnetic field is a closed loop that isn't affecting the surroundings at all.

In order to make a motive force with magnets, there must be a difference in the magnetic field in front and behind the moving magnet. The most dense field are behind to push the magnet away, and the least dense field are in front to "suck" the magnet towards it.

If you can manage to to make an all permanent magnet motor like this, without having the opposite poles to counter force, you have reached your goal - I suppose.

Vidar
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Rosemary Ainslie

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2010, 01:03:08 AM »
Quote from: Low-Q on August 16, 2010, 12:46:45 AM
The problem with a continuous field is that it is continuous - no change. As there are no change in the magnetic field anywhere around the rim, there will be no places for the magnetic field to wanna go. There will probably be repulsion or attraction in the vertical plane, but nothing will ever happen in the rotary direction - with the magnets arranged like you proposed. I have tested to stack 50 small round disc magnets in a circle. The only thing that happens is that the magnetic field is a closed loop that isn't affecting the surroundings at all.

In order to make a motive force with magnets, there must be a difference in the magnetic field in front and behind the moving magnet. The most dense field are behind to push the magnet away, and the least dense field are in front to "suck" the magnet towards it.

Hello Vidar, I'm sure you're right. My concern is that the angle of interaction between two circles needs to be a 90 degrees to each other - and I'm not sure how one can physically arrange this.  But since I CAN arrange them that three opposing circles are at  180 degrees then I feel we should, at least, try it.  And the test can be varied by placing each graduated circle with all magnets in opposition - so to speak - as another variation.  I'm rather relying on the number variation between each circle to present an imbalanced force.  The worst that can happen is that we'll learn something new.  I'm hoping to get my rig early in the coming week.  Frankly it's intriguing so much that it's keeping me awake.  I need to get some answers here.

Regards,
Rosemary


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Low-Q

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Re: magnetic perpetual motion machine design
« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2010, 01:59:07 AM »
Making an angle will not change anything. It will still not work. The magnetic fields are still not changed. If you are lucky, a monopole could work in that arrangement. But regular permanent magnets will definitely not work. Try it anyway, it is fun to experiment with magnetism.:)
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