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tpu

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Half Backed
« on: May 10, 2010, 04:57:06 PM »
Hello to all out there,
I'm new to this story but after reading much of it ( allmost all ) and seeing all the public available videos i think i have something to say.
First i want to thank all of you great builders who don't gave up after so much invested time and efforts.
Anyway in order not to be too sentimental here i'll make it short.
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Steven Mark: (FROM MY POST LAST YEAR: "Capacitors discharged ABRUPTLY into a wire, then the current flow is stopped ABRUPTLY  ...  and this KICK comes out of the wires perpendicularly. So, I would say that Steven's KICKS have a direct relationship to Tesla's Magnifying Transmittor, its REAL operation.") "From Steven: Lindsay, this guy definitely has the secret. I do not know if he will be able to duplicate power generation, but he does have the secret. Do you think he knows it? The only part he doesn't have any idea about is that by starting the oscillation you cause the current to flow in the collector which causes the magnification of the process within the collector which will ultimately produce the greater voltage and power in usable amounts during operation."

Explanation: Here we are, back to the beginning when Steven said that I definitely had the secret to his TPUs! I think you all should thing about this again IF YOU EVEN THINK OF CRITICIZING THIS WRITEUP, lol. Seriously though, he said it back then, that I DEFINITELY HAVE THE SECRET, and the secret was TO MAKE A FAST (sharp rise, fall) SQUARE WAVE PULSE(KICK) IN A WIRE(CONTROL COIL) AND THIS WOULD MAKE ELECTRONS (move, charge) UPON A WIRE(COLLECTOR) THAT WAS PERPENDICULAR TO IT...
This is/was one of the most intriguing (for me) passages i have found here. many thanks @tao.
Then there was another one more recently by the user tls about transmission line pulse forming networks.
So my half backed idea was to combine the 2 and see what it comes out.
as one can see in the attached picture there are no electronics involved yet.it's just a simple draft in order to see what you guys think about it. so the TL1-3 are transmission lines made around the collector from lamp cord( bifilar winding), SG=spark gap. now to the function, i would imagine that if: TL1 is made so that the pulse length corespond with the resonant frequency of the collector,TL2 to the double freq and TL3 to the double of f2 and they are all positioned as required and the length of the collector would be a quarter wave antenna for the resonant freq f0, then ... when the first spark gap ignites a pulse is rushing toward TL2 section triggering the second spark gap that would initiate the second pulse witch  will amplify the first pulse and together rushing toward TL3 section triggering the spark gap there initiating the 3rd pulse and so at the and we could get a standing wave forming inside the collector(actually around) with ever growing(raising) amplitude .use your imagination to substitute the spark gaps with ss switches
will it work?
or
the collector is not a open toroid (coil ) but a closed one (a ring ) and the length of the circumference is exactly the wave length and so there are 2 zero points 1 point for max positive and one point for max negative on the ring( formed by the standing wave).

edit
i think i was just a bit wrong about the freqs.the pulse length for TL1 should be 1 quarter from f0 and so on if the collector is made to be one quarter from the f0
anyway i'm awaiting your feedback.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 05:28:20 PM by tpu »
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DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 06:50:06 PM »
Hi Tpu,

Welcome to the forum.

Your design looks interesting, it reminds me of this patent:
http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=z4lxAAAAEBAJ&dq=3333203

From what I have been reading is that if you can set up a electromagnetic and electrostatic standing wave, it could be possible to collect the return or reflected wave back through a spark gap to generate a large transient which can be collected or fed back into system. When electrostatic and electromagnetic field converge then a huge transient is formed causing the local space around the circuit to try to fight(oscillate) back to equilibrium.

A circuit is not a self enclosed system like we are taught in school. Coils generate an electromagnetic field around the local space of the circuit while caps give us a electrostatic field when we turn this circuit off rapidly the collapse of these fields around the circuit try to reach back to a steady state. In other words the circuits we design create a expanded stressed field point to the normalized field in local space. Our circuit is like blowing up a balloon which take up a volume of space(with electromagnetic and electrostatic stress), when you pop it(switch it) the space goes back to is normal state rapidly(transient generated). Everything wants equilibrium disrupt the equilibrium in local space and you can collect the energy as it snaps back.

If SM had setup a standing wave then that might also explain the gyroscopic effect, as return waves are coming back to altered space at a different angle to the changed standing wave angle. As analogy, it's like sticking your hand in a tub of water then rotating your palm back and forth. The vortex from the water going up and down is fighting against the turning of your palm because of the difference of flow you are setting up and the angle you are hitting the flow.

I suggest reading this book:

Theory and calculation of transient electric phenomena and oscillations
http://books.google.com/books?id=m6QDAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=transient+electric+phenomeA&cd=1#v=onepage&q&f=false
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tpu

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2010, 12:04:45 AM »
Hello all,
@DreamThinkBuild- thanks for the links, the patent is nothing special as for the book i have to buy it first but hey, one more on the big list.
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wings

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2010, 07:58:32 AM »
Quote from: tpu on May 11, 2010, 12:04:45 AM
Hello all,
@DreamThinkBuild- thanks for the links, the patent is nothing special as for the book i have to buy it first but hey, one more on the big list.


download and read it here

http://www.archive.org/details/theorycalculatio00steiiala
http://www.archive.org/details/theoryandcalcul12steigoog

« Last Edit: May 11, 2010, 11:59:22 AM by wings »
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tpu

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2010, 09:21:27 AM »
hello all,
@wings-i really have to thank you, i've got it now on my pc and i'll read it.
@rest-so do you guys have nothing to say about my idea? or was it discussed allready somewhere else?if so point me to the right direction pls.
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tsl

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2010, 11:06:34 PM »
hey there,
nice design.by using the transmission line approach you generate the desired frequencies without the use of any fancy external signal generators.nice one  ;)
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Sprocket

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2010, 11:36:38 PM »
Hi tpu.  From my armchair-perspective your theory seems quite logical.  Having also read most of the TPU threads here, I've gotta say I don't recall anyone having suggested the use of spark gaps to generate the 'kicks'.  There are a few other theories being actively explored here atm that also seem 'reasonable' - wattsup/GK Bloch Wall & BruceTPU's antenna idea come to mind.  Dunno if you've seen the below video by the WITTS group.  I've just seen it, nothing special to watch, another TPU-of-sorts.  What caught my eye was the date it was made - 1993!  It's only been released now though...  Personally, I'm convinced that there are LOTS of working TPU's out there...

http://www.youtube.com/user/theENERGYDREAM#p/u/2/zS4D-qjWuQg
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Tito L. Oracion

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2010, 02:29:18 AM »
Quote from: tpu on May 10, 2010, 04:57:06 PM
Hello to all out there,
I'm new to this story but after reading much of it ( allmost all ) and seeing all the public available videos i think i have something to say.
First i want to thank all of you great builders who don't gave up after so much invested time and efforts.
Anyway in order not to be too sentimental here i'll make it short.This is/was one of the most intriguing (for me) passages i have found here. many thanks @tao.
Then there was another one more recently by the user tls about transmission line pulse forming networks.
So my half backed idea was to combine the 2 and see what it comes out.
as one can see in the attached picture there are no electronics involved yet.it's just a simple draft in order to see what you guys think about it. so the TL1-3 are transmission lines made around the collector from lamp cord( bifilar winding), SG=spark gap. now to the function, i would imagine that if: TL1 is made so that the pulse length corespond with the resonant frequency of the collector,TL2 to the double freq and TL3 to the double of f2 and they are all positioned as required and the length of the collector would be a quarter wave antenna for the resonant freq f0, then ... when the first spark gap ignites a pulse is rushing toward TL2 section triggering the second spark gap that would initiate the second pulse witch  will amplify the first pulse and together rushing toward TL3 section triggering the spark gap there initiating the 3rd pulse and so at the and we could get a standing wave forming inside the collector(actually around) with ever growing(raising) amplitude .use your imagination to substitute the spark gaps with ss switches
will it work?
or
the collector is not a open toroid (coil ) but a closed one (a ring ) and the length of the circumference is exactly the wave length and so there are 2 zero points 1 point for max positive and one point for max negative on the ring( formed by the standing wave).

edit
i think i was just a bit wrong about the freqs.the pulse length for TL1 should be 1 quarter from f0 and so on if the collector is made to be one quarter from the f0
anyway i'm awaiting your feedback.


hi! You have a good point  :)

Here is what i know, steven converting small kicks into a big kick and then i think when it is in a big kick state then your design is the next circuit to apply.  :)
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tpu

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Re: Half Backed
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2010, 01:40:39 PM »
hello all,
first thank you all for your replies.
i know that pulse forming networks and transmission line theory are not my strength but i do think that this design could work.the only problem with it: i have no clue how or why this would be ou.the tuning would be also a pain in the asss.to tune it the isolator between the collector and the coils and the length of those would be important.also in my design there are only 3 control coils, the tpu have 4(?).questions and more questions....
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